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Winky beat our best domestic fighters with ease and when he was going to fight Shane, I knew he would be too good and big for Mosely.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
It is funny/sad that I think winky would have probably shut out canelo and was never anywhere near as big of a draw.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
I believe he broke the top ten after he stopped Robert Wangila. That was a big upset at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkWas this Buck Smith a good fighter and contender level?Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsooldHe was fighting on the mid-America club circuit, like the Jakubowski brothers. There are guys out there now, fighting out of Oklahoma, that have 60-70 fights, all 4,6 rounds, all in Oklahoma, Arkansas, Missouri. There is one guy, from Indiana, that I came across last year and he was 14-0 in four months as a pro. Fighting weekly from Indiana to Arizona.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliI don't have the quality eyesight to count them but he must have fought Verdell Smith and Bleakley 10 times each. Its like scrolling a record from early century ffs...at one point 4 fights in one week? Not even sure that's legal ;D. I remember seeing him lose to Chavez and it looked like a definite 'flop'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Surely, he must have been at one point.
To be honest i really do not think that Shane was that great at 154 he was not big enough for that weight class and gave up speed at that weight. He was atg at lw and hof at ww but lmw was a weight class i felt was never good for him. Wright was a great fighter but at times his style was hard to judge for me when it came to decision. Wright was a great fighter though when he destroyed Tito it was one of the most one sided fights i think i have ever seen atg to to another. It sucks because i think history will not give Wright the dues he does deserve was a great fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterWinky beat our best domestic fighters with ease and when he was going to fight Shane, I knew he would be too good and big for Mosely.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherIt is funny/sad that I think winky would have probably shut out canelo and was never anywhere near as big of a draw.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
Winky lost his title to Harry Simon who could throw hundreds of punches in a round which was the way to swarm and beat Winky. It was controversial and I think Winky got a draw in the ring but lost it is the dressing room because they counted it wrong.
Harry Simon then went on to beat a lot of our dometic fighters.
Winky ended up earning respect and fighting the big fights in USA losing to Vargas etc.
Hadn't even realized Wangila beat him on Hearns-Leonard II undercard. Smith dropped him but lost close. Closest I've seen him ranked was #13. It's weird really, he had offers and Arum wanting to match him but almost seemed like he didn't want it. Preferred the 'road warrior' roaming state to state? Man..he went on to fight Brazier who was top ten a couple times but all ended in NCs.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsooldI believe he broke the top ten after he stopped Robert Wangila. That was a big upset at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkWas this Buck Smith a good fighter and contender level?Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsooldHe was fighting on the mid-America club circuit, like the Jakubowski brothers. There are guys out there now, fighting out of Oklahoma, that have 60-70 fights, all 4,6 rounds, all in Oklahoma, Arkansas, Missouri. There is one guy, from Indiana, that I came across last year and he was 14-0 in four months as a pro. Fighting weekly from Indiana to Arizona.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliI don't have the quality eyesight to count them but he must have fought Verdell Smith and Bleakley 10 times each. Its like scrolling a record from early century ffs...at one point 4 fights in one week? Not even sure that's legal ;D. I remember seeing him lose to Chavez and it looked like a definite 'flop'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Surely, he must have been at one point.
*Smith and Brazier were the last men to fight in a non-title 15 rounder ??? Wondering if that's accurate.
Buck Smith beat Kirkland Laing who beat Roberto Duran. :)
Smith also lost to Buddy McGirt
I didn't know he fought Wangila twice; 30 months and 73 fights apart. I met him last March in OKC when he was setting up chairs and tables for a fight card where I was building the ring.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliHadn't even realized Wangila beat him on Hearns-Leonard II undercard. Smith dropped him but lost close. Closest I've seen him ranked was #13. It's weird really, he had offers and Arum wanting to match him but almost seemed like he didn't want it. Preferred the 'road warrior' roaming state to state? Man..he went on to fight Brazier who was top ten a couple times but all ended in NCs.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsooldI believe he broke the top ten after he stopped Robert Wangila. That was a big upset at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkWas this Buck Smith a good fighter and contender level?Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsooldHe was fighting on the mid-America club circuit, like the Jakubowski brothers. There are guys out there now, fighting out of Oklahoma, that have 60-70 fights, all 4,6 rounds, all in Oklahoma, Arkansas, Missouri. There is one guy, from Indiana, that I came across last year and he was 14-0 in four months as a pro. Fighting weekly from Indiana to Arizona.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliI don't have the quality eyesight to count them but he must have fought Verdell Smith and Bleakley 10 times each. Its like scrolling a record from early century ffs...at one point 4 fights in one week? Not even sure that's legal ;D. I remember seeing him lose to Chavez and it looked like a definite 'flop'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Surely, he must have been at one point.
*Smith and Brazier were the last men to fight in a non-title 15 rounder ??? Wondering if that's accurate.
You the man.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsooldI didn't know he fought Wangila twice; 30 months and 73 fights apart. I met him last March in OKC when he was setting up chairs and tables for a fight card where I was building the ring.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliHadn't even realized Wangila beat him on Hearns-Leonard II undercard. Smith dropped him but lost close. Closest I've seen him ranked was #13. It's weird really, he had offers and Arum wanting to match him but almost seemed like he didn't want it. Preferred the 'road warrior' roaming state to state? Man..he went on to fight Brazier who was top ten a couple times but all ended in NCs.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsooldI believe he broke the top ten after he stopped Robert Wangila. That was a big upset at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkWas this Buck Smith a good fighter and contender level?Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsooldHe was fighting on the mid-America club circuit, like the Jakubowski brothers. There are guys out there now, fighting out of Oklahoma, that have 60-70 fights, all 4,6 rounds, all in Oklahoma, Arkansas, Missouri. There is one guy, from Indiana, that I came across last year and he was 14-0 in four months as a pro. Fighting weekly from Indiana to Arizona.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliI don't have the quality eyesight to count them but he must have fought Verdell Smith and Bleakley 10 times each. Its like scrolling a record from early century ffs...at one point 4 fights in one week? Not even sure that's legal ;D. I remember seeing him lose to Chavez and it looked like a definite 'flop'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Surely, he must have been at one point.
*Smith and Brazier were the last men to fight in a non-title 15 rounder ??? Wondering if that's accurate.
Thanks for sharing.
Great include on Buck Smith, one of my favorite all-time fighters.
How can any thread on journeymen not reference Bruce "The Mouse" Strauss at least once? He was actually pretty talented in the ring and his performance on Letterman was above average as well.
One vote for Tony "KO King" Gardner from the 70's, although he did well enough with a string of 22 kos to warrant a title shot against then-dominant Elisha Obed. He was truly a road warrior and a raconteur.