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Certainly possible. I'm not high on Garcia. Not high on Porter either though. But Porter has absolutely no defense for the left hook. It's like he's completely blind to it. And with the way he rushes in blind he could get stopped. Broner dropped him with the left hook and Garcias hook is far better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Porter ices Garcia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
GGG wanted Canelo in September and Canelo ducked him, he then signed to fight Eubank jr., and he ducked GGG, so I'm ok with him fighting Brook at this point. It won't be an impressive win to me, since Brook is a much smaller man, but I don't blame him for fighting an opponent with name recognition. As others have stated, all dominant middleweight champs have defended against Welters: Hop, Hagler, Monzon, Robinson, Lamotta, Emile...etc. I would like to see GGG crush Jacobs and Canelo, but after that, there are no real threats to him.
Good points made on both sides.
I will say Canelo taking on a fighter moving up without a major win and getting knocked out more than once along the way is far worse.
Mayweather - ex-Boxer . Retired and staying that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonMayweather, Thurman, Spence, those I am confident about. Bradley has done far more. That puts Porter at 5th. Vargas might be better now too though. Tough to say. But I am confident that Porter is at best 4th, at worst 6th today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera"I just want good fights. I'm the same in all sports, play the best, fight the best, if you win great, if you lose at least you tried." - I agree with this 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
But I would be interested to see you name 5 better current American WW's than Porter?
Thurman - yes
Spence - Maybe, uncertain at the moment, but certainly in the future.
Bradley - gonna say yes because I've got a soft spot for him, but you yanks are always writing him off.
Vargas - don't think so.
Garcia - who can tell? He doesn't really fight much nowadays does he?
So being devil's advocate , you could say only Thurman. But I'm not going to argue too strongly about it, it's all about opinions.;)
In answer to the original question, I voted for Canelo v Khan being worse, only because there was a 20lb weight difference on the night, and with the IBF 10lb ruling, that's probably not going to be the case this time.
But at the same time, I have to be consistent and say I don't like the idea of GGG fighting someone 2 weights below.
If the MW's haven't got the balls to step up to the plate, then now is probably the right time to consider his work done at the weight and challenge himself by moving up.
Split down the middle honestly. Khan was in all actuality dented, vulnerable and seemingly clinging to that elusive "event" what ever the cost. On the other side we knew Canelo was a con at middle. An imposter. Basically lowered expectations. With Golovkin he was the adult in the room when Cotto and Canelo came up at middleweight. He was respected and held to higher standards. I don't begrudge a guy a payday but this is only duplicating Canelos cash grab. Brook is a helluva fighter really banking on a single high profile win who himself has already rebounded in a foty candidate with Thurman. The no in between or credible build to division is what gets me. Many of the top guys named at least made pit stops at 154 while some who did not were knocked senseless.
Like in any profession you go the Xtra mile take on a bigger challenge. If GGG were white or black this would not be tolerated. He is basically copying Canelo with a pathetic resume of opponents.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
Khan was schooling Canelo and had he won a decision you would not use such fodder . It is obvious you dislike Canelo. As Danny DeVito says "Garbage"' " I'm the trash man!Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
The hell with the BS fanboy sale job what matter is the end result after you criticize Canelo's decision to not fight this fall at 160 you counter and challenge a welterweight. This is head and shoulders worse . GGG has surrendered the only leverage he held previously over CANELO. Now it is obvious he is an even greater coward and his resume needs to be scrutinized more. So he will fight a smaller fighter just not a Canelo, Charlo or Lara. Hoping the cherry picker gets plucked. GGG needs to stop using Mexican Style phrase asap !Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
Be real..... 10 years as a professional with no key win or Marque opponent. 10 years without taking a risk beating all opponents in a weak ass division . This has you believing he has a leg to negotiate with vs. Canelo? This looks like a major cherry picking career!Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Work done absolutely, time to fight top notch opponents one level up or one level down. Lara or Canelo at 155 now that you forfeited what was your only leverage point PG-GG rated champion
Since my initial disappointment. Some info was brought up in a interview with Abel Sanchez, about the choice of brook. That info being that the available date was already preset by HBO as September 10. When canelo fell through, and they went and tried to get eubank and it looked like it could come to fruition even as having to line up the fighters, the network rights for televising, and everything else. Then Eubank prices himself out by trying to write his own ticket and control the promotion (probably wanted a pony and some candy and hookers too). Anyway. with that negotiation falling through and GGG already agreeing to the terms... Brook stepped up and accepted the same agreement that Eubank tried to skirt around. No modifications, no renegotiating .. he took it as is.
Im sure GGG would rather fight a middleweight (Jacobs, canelo, eubank, Saunders, and whoever else hes tried to get to sign in the past, but with the time running short for the fight to get a full camp in, they took whoever stepped up. That was brook. If they chose not to it could have been another month of negotiating just to lock in an opponent for a unified champ (by default) whos holding all the keys. Only other person close to the weight in matchroom is Degale whos up 8 lbs and probably would have demanded parity and not would have signed right away. So if brook is the only one who is brave enough to sign the contract, with an inch difference in reach and a inch and half difference in height. He should have have too much trouble packing on the 13lbs.
Its the next fight that will be an issue if GGG gets past brook. Screw Eubank, Screw Canelo and screw jacobs, press saunders and get him to give up the belt or fight for it. Be officially unified and move up unless a charlo, andrade who whoever moves up. this is getting stupid... professionally fighters having an opportunity to fight the man in the division are like .... "nahhh, that's okay..." which pretty much makes them hobbyists...
So im disappointed its brook, but brook and and matchroom chose GGG, not the other way around. with the date set and time constraints on prep, he really doesn't have much choice to accept. Its not like he ducked a unification fight and then sought out brook as a tune up, which is the difference between him and cañelo...
Brook is a big welter and probably walks around at closer to 154. He isn't Nassem but he clearly has the potential to pile it on. He has much more ring sense than Khan and has real spite in his punches, he may go down fighting because his heart is certainly there, but I think Golovkin will be surprised how honest Brooks punches will keep him early doors. I can't see Kell having enough pop to keep GGG off down the stretch and it's very likely he gets stopped, but it's not a nailed on certainty, nothing ever is once they step through those ropes. It probably has as much to do with shutting Khan and the Eubank mouths shut for Kell and Hearn respectively as the wonga they will earn. Respect to Brook for stepping up without the diva bullshit and I see him giving a good account of himself despite losing and increasing his saleability on the world stage. Vargas claims and anyone else's of him bottling it will ring a bit hollow now.
It is one thing to respect a fighter for taking on a challenge and another just taking the money and knowing full well he will lose and stand very little chance of winning. It is absurd to justify this fight, there is only one winner.
If I did another poll on who posters think will win all of you would choose GGG, (except Brock who is just "special").
What's lost in the comparison is we all knew Canelo was a fraud. We still held out hope for GGG
So true! I am disappointed in GGG for the first time and can not defend this defence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson