Re: Is Carl Frampton "Fighter of the Year" so far in 2016?
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Frampton only got $500,000 whereas LSC got $1 million form their fight. If Rigo has got Jay Z he could easily afford the fight with Frampton.
What Carl has achieved was equally as hard as beating Rigo.
Now come on, it was a great achievement and a great win, and I don't want to take anything away from him. But if beating Rigo was "equally hard", why didn't he just go ahead and do it?
without wanting to sound like I'm doubting you, I also believe he earned a helluva lot more than $500k.
Frampton's not the only guy out there avoiding a fighter, but it shouldn't be allowed to happen. Just the way it is (as Bruce Hornsby and the range once said.) ;)
He has moved up weight, taken on an undefeated US fighter in his homeland for a world title being the big under dog is just as good, if not better than beating Rigo.
That is fine rationalization. And like most rationalization it is complete bullshit. It's okay to be a ducker if you get belts, the notion is absurd.
Not just belts, what about the other things I mentioned which you conveniently ignore.
Re: Is Carl Frampton "Fighter of the Year" so far in 2016?
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Frampton only got $500,000 whereas LSC got $1 million form their fight. If Rigo has got Jay Z he could easily afford the fight with Frampton.
What Carl has achieved was equally as hard as beating Rigo.
Now come on, it was a great achievement and a great win, and I don't want to take anything away from him. But if beating Rigo was "equally hard", why didn't he just go ahead and do it?
without wanting to sound like I'm doubting you, I also believe he earned a helluva lot more than $500k.
Frampton's not the only guy out there avoiding a fighter, but it shouldn't be allowed to happen. Just the way it is (as Bruce Hornsby and the range once said.) ;)
Im starting to think Frampton could beat Rigo at 126. Rigo is getting old. Hes been inactive and he is chinny. Still have Rigo as a strong fav but in a year or 2 it could be a close fight.
As for Fighter of the Year Id say at the moment he is top of the list but their is plenty of guys who could pass him out, mainly Crawford or the Kov Ward winner.
Don't get me wrong, I reckon you could be right. I've backed against Frampton in his last 2 fights and he's proved me wrong. If he were to fight Selby or Rigo , I would probably back against him again, but he keeps proving me wrong.
my point is , and it doesn't only apply to Frampton, that the governing bodies should grow some balls and insist on the best fighting the best. I could think of loads of guys that are guilty, Eubank jr, Quigg, Adonis, Canelo, Every top MW, all the WW's, Khan, just to name a few. It's ridiculous.
yep 100% but its nothing new to boxing. Hagler, like GGG, couldnt get big fights for years. Mayweather and Manny made careers out of picking and choosing opponents and they are the best of our generation. Money talks, if Carl can make as much or more fighting guys that arent as good as Rigo. He made a lot of money v Quigg but apart from that he really hasnt made much and a loss to Rigo now would probably ruin his earning potential. The only way to get the best fighting the best on a regular basis in my mind is a unified division in boxing similar to ther UFC. I was hoping PBC would do that but its not looking likely.
As for backing against Frampton in those fights it would depend on prices. Think Selby is a close fight. Would probably back the outsider in that fight, whoever it is. It deends what price Rigo is, Id probably back him at anything over 1/2 while Id prob back Frampton at anything over 3/1.
Re: Is Carl Frampton "Fighter of the Year" so far in 2016?
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Frampton only got $500,000 whereas LSC got $1 million form their fight. If Rigo has got Jay Z he could easily afford the fight with Frampton.
What Carl has achieved was equally as hard as beating Rigo.
Now come on, it was a great achievement and a great win, and I don't want to take anything away from him. But if beating Rigo was "equally hard", why didn't he just go ahead and do it?
without wanting to sound like I'm doubting you, I also believe he earned a helluva lot more than $500k.
Frampton's not the only guy out there avoiding a fighter, but it shouldn't be allowed to happen. Just the way it is (as Bruce Hornsby and the range once said.) ;)
Im starting to think Frampton could beat Rigo at 126. Rigo is getting old. Hes been inactive and he is chinny. Still have Rigo as a strong fav but in a year or 2 it could be a close fight.
As for Fighter of the Year Id say at the moment he is top of the list but their is plenty of guys who could pass him out, mainly Crawford or the Kov Ward winner.
Don't get me wrong, I reckon you could be right. I've backed against Frampton in his last 2 fights and he's proved me wrong. If he were to fight Selby or Rigo , I would probably back against him again, but he keeps proving me wrong.
my point is , and it doesn't only apply to Frampton, that the governing bodies should grow some balls and insist on the best fighting the best. I could think of loads of guys that are guilty, Eubank jr, Quigg, Adonis, Canelo, Every top MW, all the WW's, Khan, just to name a few. It's ridiculous.
yep 100% but its nothing new to boxing. Hagler, like GGG, couldnt get big fights for years. Mayweather and Manny made careers out of picking and choosing opponents and they are the best of our generation. Money talks, if Carl can make as much or more fighting guys that arent as good as Rigo.
He made a lot of money v Quigg but apart from that he really hasnt made much and a loss to Rigo now would probably ruin his earning potential. The only way to get the best fighting the best on a regular basis in my mind is a unified division in boxing similar to ther UFC. I was hoping PBC would do that but its not looking likely.
As for backing against Frampton in those fights it would depend on prices. Think Selby is a close fight. Would probably back the outsider in that fight, whoever it is. It deends what price Rigo is, Id probably back him at anything over 1/2 while Id prob back Frampton at anything over 3/1.
Now you've got me going on a completely different tangent and another bugbear of mine. Why didn't he make a lot of money before Quigg? He won World titles in front of Packed Arenas in his hometown, they even had to build a fuckin stadium for him! Answer, Because he has been completely shafted by Barry McGuigan! McGuigan has always taken the best options for himself rather than Frampton's career. not dissimilar to the Eubank Sr./Jr. situation.
Re: Is Carl Frampton "Fighter of the Year" so far in 2016?
How the fuck does anyone know what money Frampton has made? Unless you're all millionaires I wouldn't mind being a pound note behind him.
Re: Is Carl Frampton "Fighter of the Year" so far in 2016?
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Frampton only got $500,000 whereas LSC got $1 million form their fight. If Rigo has got Jay Z he could easily afford the fight with Frampton.
What Carl has achieved was equally as hard as beating Rigo.
Now come on, it was a great achievement and a great win, and I don't want to take anything away from him. But if beating Rigo was "equally hard", why didn't he just go ahead and do it?
without wanting to sound like I'm doubting you, I also believe he earned a helluva lot more than $500k.
Frampton's not the only guy out there avoiding a fighter, but it shouldn't be allowed to happen. Just the way it is (as Bruce Hornsby and the range once said.) ;)
Im starting to think Frampton could beat Rigo at 126. Rigo is getting old. Hes been inactive and he is chinny. Still have Rigo as a strong fav but in a year or 2 it could be a close fight.
As for Fighter of the Year Id say at the moment he is top of the list but their is plenty of guys who could pass him out, mainly Crawford or the Kov Ward winner.
Don't get me wrong, I reckon you could be right. I've backed against Frampton in his last 2 fights and he's proved me wrong. If he were to fight Selby or Rigo , I would probably back against him again, but he keeps proving me wrong.
my point is , and it doesn't only apply to Frampton, that the governing bodies should grow some balls and insist on the best fighting the best. I could think of loads of guys that are guilty, Eubank jr, Quigg, Adonis, Canelo, Every top MW, all the WW's, Khan, just to name a few. It's ridiculous.
yep 100% but its nothing new to boxing. Hagler, like GGG, couldnt get big fights for years. Mayweather and Manny made careers out of picking and choosing opponents and they are the best of our generation. Money talks, if Carl can make as much or more fighting guys that arent as good as Rigo.
He made a lot of money v Quigg but apart from that he really hasnt made much and a loss to Rigo now would probably ruin his earning potential. The only way to get the best fighting the best on a regular basis in my mind is a unified division in boxing similar to ther UFC. I was hoping PBC would do that but its not looking likely.
As for backing against Frampton in those fights it would depend on prices. Think Selby is a close fight. Would probably back the outsider in that fight, whoever it is. It deends what price Rigo is, Id probably back him at anything over 1/2 while Id prob back Frampton at anything over 3/1.
Now you've got me going on a completely different tangent and another bugbear of mine. Why didn't he make a lot of money before Quigg? He won World titles in front of Packed Arenas in his hometown, they even had to build a fuckin stadium for him! Answer, Because he has been completely shafted by Barry McGuigan! McGuigan has always taken the best options for himself rather than Frampton's career. not dissimilar to the Eubank Sr./Jr. situation.
His world title win was v Kiko which was a voluntary defense. So majority of purse went to Kiko.
I think his net worth is 5.5 million. Not too shabby but not a ridiculous amount.
Re: Is Carl Frampton "Fighter of the Year" so far in 2016?
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Frampton only got $500,000 whereas LSC got $1 million form their fight. If Rigo has got Jay Z he could easily afford the fight with Frampton.
What Carl has achieved was equally as hard as beating Rigo.
Now come on, it was a great achievement and a great win, and I don't want to take anything away from him. But if beating Rigo was "equally hard", why didn't he just go ahead and do it?
without wanting to sound like I'm doubting you, I also believe he earned a helluva lot more than $500k.
Frampton's not the only guy out there avoiding a fighter, but it shouldn't be allowed to happen. Just the way it is (as Bruce Hornsby and the range once said.) ;)
Im starting to think Frampton could beat Rigo at 126. Rigo is getting old. Hes been inactive and he is chinny. Still have Rigo as a strong fav but in a year or 2 it could be a close fight.
As for Fighter of the Year Id say at the moment he is top of the list but their is plenty of guys who could pass him out, mainly Crawford or the Kov Ward winner.
Don't get me wrong, I reckon you could be right. I've backed against Frampton in his last 2 fights and he's proved me wrong. If he were to fight Selby or Rigo , I would probably back against him again, but he keeps proving me wrong.
my point is , and it doesn't only apply to Frampton, that the governing bodies should grow some balls and insist on the best fighting the best. I could think of loads of guys that are guilty, Eubank jr, Quigg, Adonis, Canelo, Every top MW, all the WW's, Khan, just to name a few. It's ridiculous.
yep 100% but its nothing new to boxing. Hagler, like GGG, couldnt get big fights for years. Mayweather and Manny made careers out of picking and choosing opponents and they are the best of our generation. Money talks, if Carl can make as much or more fighting guys that arent as good as Rigo.
He made a lot of money v Quigg but apart from that he really hasnt made much and a loss to Rigo now would probably ruin his earning potential. The only way to get the best fighting the best on a regular basis in my mind is a unified division in boxing similar to ther UFC. I was hoping PBC would do that but its not looking likely.
As for backing against Frampton in those fights it would depend on prices. Think Selby is a close fight. Would probably back the outsider in that fight, whoever it is. It deends what price Rigo is, Id probably back him at anything over 1/2 while Id prob back Frampton at anything over 3/1.
Now you've got me going on a completely different tangent and another bugbear of mine. Why didn't he make a lot of money before Quigg? He won World titles in front of Packed Arenas in his hometown, they even had to build a fuckin stadium for him! Answer, Because he has been completely shafted by Barry McGuigan! McGuigan has always taken the best options for himself rather than Frampton's career. not dissimilar to the Eubank Sr./Jr. situation.
His world title win was v Kiko which was a voluntary defense. So majority of purse went to Kiko.
I think his net worth is 5.5 million. Not too shabby but not a ridiculous amount.
I beg to differ. If it's a voluntary, that doesn't mean Kiko gets the Lion's Share. It just means that Frampton could earn more than he would have for his Mandatory. e.g. Brook took a voluntary against Frankie Gavin before Jo Jo Dan, who was his Mandatory, does that mean that Gavin took the Lion's Share?
another example is where Andy Lee fought Pete Quillin in the States as a voluntary instead of his Mandatory, because he was paid much better money to do so. even to the extent of giving Saunders "step aside" money.
there was decent money in those fights in Ireland, but mostly for McGuigan because he was promoting.
It is widely known that Frampton moved away from Matchroom because Hearn wouldn't allow McGuigan to co-promote. But Frampton would've definitely earned more for that Kiko fight (and any other fight for that matter.) if he was still with Matchroom. Only Barry wouldn't. :mad:
Re: Is Carl Frampton "Fighter of the Year" so far in 2016?
Kiko was the champion. The champ is entitled to the bigger share. They had to pay over the odds to get Kiko back to belfast as a voluntary. I think I saw Framoton say in the build up to that fight that it was a big risk for him because he was getting peanuts for the fight and if he lost it would be a major stunt in his career. Maybe he was just saying that. I dont know. The examples you gave were all champs at the time so entitled to a bigger split then Frampton would have been v Kiko.
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Kiko was the champion. The champ is entitled to the bigger share. They had to pay over the odds to get Kiko back to belfast as a voluntary. I think I saw Framoton say in the build up to that fight that it was a big risk for him because he was getting peanuts for the fight and if he lost it would be a major stunt in his career. Maybe he was just saying that. I dont know. The examples you gave were all champs at the time so entitled to a bigger split then Frampton would have been v Kiko.
Sorry mate, you're completely right, I was thinking of the rematch and getting mixed up. Doh! :)
But my point was that McGuigan was making good dough out of it.
Why do you always pick on Barry? What about Hearn? He makes money too.
Barry has Carl's best interest at heart, now quit picking on the legend.
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The difference is a.) Hearn knows what he's doing. And b.) Hearn doesn't have just one cash cow that he milks the whole family on! Him as Manager, one son as promoter, another son as trainer (who I think is worth his money btw.) renting the Gym in Mcguigan's basement, he probably charges Frampton for meals so his missus has a little earner out of it as well.
Frampton goes out there and gets his face punched in, and the Mcguigan's probably take more of the cake!
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The difference is a.) Hearn knows what he's doing. And b.) Hearn doesn't have just one cash cow that he milks the whole family on! Him as Manager, one son as promoter, another son as trainer (who I think is worth his money btw.) renting the Gym in Mcguigan's basement, he probably charges Frampton for meals so his missus has a little earner out of it as well.
Frampton goes out there and gets his face punched in, and the Mcguigan's probably take more of the cake!
No way. Carl is like a second son to Barry and he knows how it feels to be shafted as he was by his manager so he would never do that.
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The difference is a.) Hearn knows what he's doing. And b.) Hearn doesn't have just one cash cow that he milks the whole family on! Him as Manager, one son as promoter, another son as trainer (who I think is worth his money btw.) renting the Gym in Mcguigan's basement, he probably charges Frampton for meals so his missus has a little earner out of it as well.
Frampton goes out there and gets his face punched in, and the Mcguigan's probably take more of the cake!
I hope your being dramatic :D I definitely agree that if Frampton stayed with Hearn hed have made a lot more money by now. Similar to Eubank Jr and possibly George Groves?
In saying that though Hearn is the only promoter in the UK and Ireland who can really offer the big bucks and have to admire Frampton for sticking with his manager rather than following the cash.
Although a bit hypocritical of me when hes chasing the cash now rather than fighting Rigo :D
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The difference is a.) Hearn knows what he's doing. And b.) Hearn doesn't have just one cash cow that he milks the whole family on! Him as Manager, one son as promoter, another son as trainer (who I think is worth his money btw.) renting the Gym in Mcguigan's basement, he probably charges Frampton for meals so his missus has a little earner out of it as well.
Frampton goes out there and gets his face punched in, and the Mcguigan's probably take more of the cake!
I hope your being dramatic :D I definitely agree that if Frampton stayed with Hearn hed have made a lot more money by now. Similar to Eubank Jr and possibly George Groves?
In saying that though Hearn is the only promoter in the UK and Ireland who can really offer the big bucks and have to admire Frampton for sticking with his manager rather than following the cash.
Although a bit hypocritical of me when hes chasing the cash now rather than fighting Rigo :D
It'll end in tears. "Thank you Mr. Eastwood!" Groundhog Day.
Re: Is Carl Frampton "Fighter of the Year" so far in 2016?
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The difference is a.) Hearn knows what he's doing. And b.) Hearn doesn't have just one cash cow that he milks the whole family on! Him as Manager, one son as promoter, another son as trainer (who I think is worth his money btw.) renting the Gym in Mcguigan's basement, he probably charges Frampton for meals so his missus has a little earner out of it as well.
Frampton goes out there and gets his face punched in, and the Mcguigan's probably take more of the cake!
No way. Carl is like a second son to Barry and he knows how it feels to be shafted as he was by his manager so he would never do that.
I think you mean a 3rd son? The other two are managing and promoting him and taking a piece of the pie.
I must say after seeing Barry blubbering after the fight, I did feel a tiny bit guilty, but I still believe he puts his own interest first.
