Let's define a Robbery...

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Originally Posted by imp

I just feel Canelo deserves a ton of credit for this fight as everyone was accusing him of ducking and was going to to get knocked out by the bogeyman...Canelo is not to blame for the dodgy judge.

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Also loads of fans said that GGG would get robbed if he didn't score a KO (just look at the main thread, loads of us said it).

Fans, pundits and writers - Doug Fischer is the editor of The Ring online (works for Golden Boy/Oscar) yet predicted Golovkin will get shafted unless he scores a blowout, Graham Houston, Steve Bunce, Steve Kim etc. They're not even "conspiracy/corruption" wafflers like Teddy Atlas, just, like many fans, knew the house fighter (money man) will be protected by Vegas.

not very effective pressure from ggg, lots of missed punches, almost amateurish at times, never rocked canelo at all or even hurt him

................... not an all time great at all, not even close, choked bad in the last 3 rounds when he needed to really STEP UP AND LET IT ALL HANG OUT

********here he was in the Fight of his Life, the fight was close enough that he should have fought his ass off to win it, but instead Canelo OUTHUSTLED his ass in Rounds 10, 11 and 12.

Marvin Hagler would have found a way to pull that out against a guy like Canelo (who is not exactly the hardest puncher in the world :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

not very effective pressure from ggg, lots of missed punches, almost amateurish at times, never rocked canelo at all or even hurt him

................... not an all time great at all, not even close, choked bad in the last 3 rounds when he needed to really STEP UP AND LET IT ALL HANG OUT

********here he was in the Fight of his Life, the fight was close enough that he should have fought his ass off to win it, but instead Canelo OUTHUSTLED his ass in Rounds 10, 11 and 12.

Marvin Hagler would have found a way to pull that out against a guy like Canelo (who is not exactly the hardest puncher in the world :rolleyes:

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Brock, your posts just get more stupider and stupider with each passing day.

68 collected results from fighters/media

Lennox Lewis - Golovkin
Paulie Malignaggi - Golovkin
Austin Trout - Golovkin
Enzo Macarenelli - Golovkin
Terence Crawford - Golovkin
Liam Smith - Golovkin
Peter Quillin - Golovkin
Liam Williams - Golovkin
Ohara Davies - Golovkin
Luke Campbell - Golovkin
Dave Coldwell - Golovkin
Badou Jack - Golovkin
Kevin Kelly - Golovkin
Steve Kim - Golovkin
Doug Fischer - Golovkin
Ring TV - Golvokin
Michael Montero - Golovkin
Joe Rogan - Golovkin
Jim Rome (sports broadcaster) - Golovkin
Kovalev - Golvokin
Chavez Jr - Golovkin
Danny Jacobs - Golovkin
Murat Gassiev - Golovkin
Ed Robinson - Golovkin
Spencer Fearon - Golovkin
Johnny Nelson - Golovkin
James Brady (SB Nation) - Golovkin
Rosie Perez - Golovkin
Lou DiBella - Golovkin
Tony Jeffries - Golovkin
Martin Samuel (UK Daily Mail) - Golovkin
Kenny Porter - Golovkin
Adam Booth - Golovkin

Teddy Atlas --------------------------------> 118-110 GGG
Jeff Powell (UK Daily Mail) ----------------> 118-111 GGG
Mookie Alexander (Bloody Elbow) --------> 117-111 GGG
Brian Campbell (CBS) ---------------------> 117-111 GGG
Jack Rathborn (Mirror UK) ----------------> 117-111 GGG
Harold Lederman (HBO) ------------------> 116-112 GGG
Dan Rafael (ESPN) ------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Bryan Graham (Guardian UK) ------------> 116-112 GGG
Gareth Davies (UK Telegraph) -----------> 116-112 GGG
Sergio Martinez ---------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Amir Khan ---------------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Matthew Macklin --------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Steve Lillis (BoxNation) -------------------> 116-112 GGG
Bob Velin (USA Today) --------------------> 116-112 GGG
Kevin McRae (Bleacher Report) -----------> 116-112 GGG
Shaun Al-Shatti (MMA Fighting) ----------> 116-112 GGG
Ryan Frederick (Wrestling Observer) ----> 116-112 GGG
Patrick Stumberg (MMA Mania) ----------> 116-112 GGG
Kevin Mitchell (Guardian UK) ------------> 116-113 GGG
Josh Taylor --------------------------------> 116-113 GGG
Joshua Bautsi -----------------------------> 116-113 GGG
Jordan Breen (Sherdog) ------------------> 115-112 GGG
Caleb Truax -------------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Kevin Iole (Yahoo) ------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Gary Locket -------------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Will Esco (Bad Left Hook) -----------------> 115-113 GGG
Phil Murphy (ESPN) -----------------------> 115-113 GGG
Mike Harris (SI) ---------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Paul Fontaine (Wrestling Observer) ------> 115-113 GGG
MMA Brazil ---------------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Sean Sheehan (Severe MMA) -------------> 115-113 GGG
Rob Tatum (Combat Press) ----------------> 115-113 GGG
Patrick Wyman (Bleacher Report) ---------> 115-113 GGG
Joel Diaz ------------------------------------> 115-113 GGG

De La Hoya - 115-113 Canelo
Bernard Hopkins - 115-113 Canelo

Golovkin - 66 votes (97%)
Canelo - 2 votes (3%)

Wait one minute, Fenster!

Gary Lockett backed Canelo..

Stop fudging the figures..lol

Oscar and Hopkins opinions can not count.

Hopkins and DLH had Canelo winning? Priceless!

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Originally Posted by imp

Wait one minute, Fenster!

Gary Lockett backed Canelo..

Stop fudging the figures..lol

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No he didn't, check his twitter.

"I said GGG won?!"

"I had GGG up by 1 or 2 rounds, not as wide as most. All I said was the eye catching punches were Canelo but GGG outworked him mostly"

How can so many "experts" be wrong, Imp?

You, Brock, Gamo, Yjfjghfkfhgh and two of Canelo's promoters. Three trolls, two bullshit merchants on the payroll and you. :D

Imp has never forgiven GGG for not moving up weight and fighting his favourite fighter Andre Ward.

It burns inside of him so much that he wanted Canelo to win.

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Originally Posted by Master

Imp has never forgiven GGG for not moving up weight and fighting his favourite fighter Andre Ward.

It burns inside of him so much that he wanted Canelo to win.

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That made me chuckle..lol

Listen, I just want both cases to be justified.

Ward was at 168 when GGG refused to step up and fight him..Ward stepped up and beat the bogeyman in Kovalev.

Canelo was at 154 and stepped up (finally) to fight GGG..I felt the better power punches and ringmanship won him the fight on a very close fight.

Both Ward and Canelo stepped up to fight the best in the divison and should be given the props they deserve..yet GGG has never done this but gets praise for beating smaller guys (excluding Jacobs).

I like GGG and Canelo but please accept the fact that Canelo stepped up to 160 (not what he weighs on fight night) and he has nothing to do with the judge at ringside...he took all GGG best shots and took him the distance AND made GGG miss so many power shots with his improved defence.

Why are fighters not rewarded for making a fighter Miss..instead they are told the same story of being on their bike and running unless they conform to a rocky movie, roberto Duran, Gatti type fighter that takes punishment.

We all like a good fight but let's appreciate the art as well.

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Originally Posted by imp

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Originally Posted by Master

Imp has never forgiven GGG for not moving up weight and fighting his favourite fighter Andre Ward.

It burns inside of him so much that he wanted Canelo to win.

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That made me chuckle..lol

Listen, I just want both cases to be justified.

Ward was at 168 when GGG refused to step up and fight him..Ward stepped up and beat the bogeyman in Kovalev.

Canelo was at 154 and stepped up (finally) to fight GGG..I felt the better power punches and ringmanship won him the fight on a very close fight.

Both Ward and Canelo stepped up to fight the best in the divison and should be given the props they deserve..yet GGG has never done this but gets praise for beating smaller guys (excluding Jacobs).

I like GGG and Canelo but please accept the fact that Canelo stepped up to 160 (not what he weighs on fight night) and he has nothing to do with the judge at ringside...he took all GGG best shots and took him the distance AND made GGG miss so many power shots with his improved defence.

Why are fighters not rewarded for making a fighter Miss..instead they are told the same story of being on their bike and running unless they conform to a rocky movie, roberto Duran, Gatti type fighter that takes punishment.

We all like a good fight but let's appreciate the art as well.

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Ringmanship? Did Canelo put Golovkin where he wanted him to? No. The fighter dictating the fight was Golovkin. Just because GGG found it harder to breakdown Canelo compared to his many previous opponents you can not morph that into Alvarez dominating. This silly idea that Golvkin gets praise for beating up on smaller opponents is just bullshit. He is a middleweight fighting at middle weight, not catchweights skewed in his favour, and exactly when was he so much huger than his opponent even on fight? You are just extrapolating the logic that because Canelo often is much bigger than his opponent then the same must be true of GGG. It's just not the reality. It is quite clear when Floyd fights that even when he is fighting defensively he is the one in control. Canelo fought a great fight but he was the one responding . Even his ability to counterpunch off the ropes was severely compromised by Golvkins own work.

Credit where it is due. Canelo in spots was sublime and his experience shined through but he was the inferior fighter on the night. He could not halt Golvkin or throw him off his gameplan. He got tired of throwing that hook early which may have paid dividends down the stretch and he got reduced to fighting in spurts by the better man. It was a helluva fight soured by one judges card and the fact that Oscar and Hopkins are the only two backing up the card lets you know the fix is in. Not only was it a terrible score card but nobody even had it as a draw. It was a Golovkin win by any measure, whatever style you like or don't like.

GGG should not be penalised for not moving up in weight. Hagler stayed at middleweight and dominated smaller opponents too but built a great legacy.

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Originally Posted by Master

GGG should not be penalised for not moving up in weight. Hagler stayed at middleweight and dominated smaller opponents too but built a great legacy.

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Going over old ground and I don't want to go off topic here but in that case why are you so desperate for a 40 year old man who has already moved up through numerous weights to move up yet again to fight someone who would be twice the size of him?

Just asking

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Originally Posted by Batman

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Originally Posted by Master

GGG should not be penalised for not moving up in weight. Hagler stayed at middleweight and dominated smaller opponents too but built a great legacy.

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Going over old ground and I don't want to go off topic here but in that case why are you so desperate for a 40 year old man who has already moved up through numerous weights to move up yet again to fight someone who would be twice the size of him?

Just asking

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I am not asking now because I know it would be impossible for him to do it.