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Originally Posted by killersheep
LOL, Boxrec is an easy way sometimes to back up a point. ;)
But if you only have hours to rehydrate your not gonna push your body to that dangerous lower limit.Quote:
Originally Posted by tuckwopat
The problem is by starving themselves of fluid as many boxer's do more now, the boxer's are putting themselves in more. The fluid around the brain that is drained is the last to be replenished and this is not sufficiently in a 24 hour period so boxer's who excessively drain themselves cos they believe they will replace the electrolytes in their body in these 24 hours.
Same day weigh ins meant generally boxers drained themselves less and were safer in this respect.
Another danger of day before weigh ins is the large disparity seen in weights on fight night. One could argue, what is the point of having multiple weights to increase safety when previous day weigh ins mean that we could effectively have a welterweight facing a super middleweight???
Uneducated competitors? Hey I take offense to that ! I smart I smart! ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by AC-Cobra
I think that maybe the by product of 15 Rounds would be more fighters would lose the weight the right way, instead sitting in sauna chewing gum and spitting in a bucket. IMO
P.S. Damn I wish I was as educated as say as Basketball player or a Defensive lineman! Dough!!!!!!!!!!! :LOS:
Haha, nice. There are a high number of uneducated competitors however and this can be a lot more dangerous in a sport such as boxing. Whilst football is dangerous, it is nowhere close to Boxing and Basketball, what they gonna do hit their head on the rim? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lords Gym
But if you only have hours to rehydrate your not gonna push your body to that dangerous lower limit.
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To believe that boxers wouldn't attempt to push their bodies to dangerous limits is nonsense. If they were all that rational, their wouldn't be a problem in the first place. Boxers put themselves through exteme conditions to meet the weight limits, and pushing them to do a weigh in the day of the fight will only make it worse. They will struggle to meet those conditions, but go through hell trying to get back to normal.
And if you can assume that they wouldn't do this, then you would have to assume that they never have. Which of course they have. Thats why the rule was changed.
Tuck I hear where you are coming from, but the people who are organizing the weight loss, in my opinion, most of the time havent got a clue what they are doing. Boxers in most cases just go along with it, and are to brave for their own good. Every fighter I know, who has had an accident in Boxing since 89 in britain, wore plastics in training and struggled doing weight having talked to the living at length. To a man they didnt understand to what extent the risks they were taking at the time. I take your point, common sense isnt common
I agree that activists spent too much time bugging us about shit. And if they did a study today they would say the same thing, the last three rounds. So do we drop title fights to nine rounds?Quote:
Originally Posted by mucho testosterone
I am against it....Truly....Say what you's want but I believe in the safety of the fighters that is why they nbwent to 12 in the first place
I believe in the safety of fighters too. I just don't see much evidence that reducing title fights from 15 to 12 made a big difference. There is a certain logic to it all, but precious little supporting evidence. Personally I think it was more of a knee jerk reaction.
It's three more rounds, refs are much quicker to stop fights these days so why not? 15 rounds is perfect for modern day boxing if you ask me, too many fights end with both guys still having enough in the tank to go at it for another three.
Just think about all the best fights you ever saw that went the distance, you wanted more everytime.
Have never really been in favor of this return.Concerning the added rounds and risks,I think fighters would adjust & change pace according to given rounds.I have always wondered about the time line for the networks also...takes a full hour to air 15 rounders meaning no more 4 round over hyped prospect blow out fights :o;D
15 Absolute Nonsense... not in the fighters best interest
I am intrigued by the idea of 10 rounders whihc would be in my opinion beneficial to boxing as they would shorten down the feeling out period and also increase career longevity
About Rehydration of fluid around the brain the answer is simple weigh them the morning of (for cancellations sakes) and give them 5 lbs wiggle room that would force everyone to fight at close to their natural weight
Taking the fights down to 12 rounds is a safety move. It is a must. Humans are only evolving into bigger, stronger, and faster athletes. What athletes can do now is much more deadlier. With 15 rounds you would surely see many more deaths and other tragedies. Marciano was an 187 pound heavyweight. Now we have 6'7" 260 pound heavyweights on the regular. 15 rounds of guys that size would be much more disastrous. I know fans like to see only their perspective and want blood at whatever cost but boxing is still a sport. We can not allow it to be savagery. Ward/Gatti for 15 rounds? Thats 45 minutes of getting punched. That'd be like pushing MMA title fights to 9 five minute rounds. Boxing once was an ignorant sport. It used to be bareknuckle, used to have eternal rounds, used to not end a round until a knockdown occurred, etc. Boxing already holds the longest fights 36 minute fights. 15 rounds would be tunneled vision acknowledgement of the people outside the ring and a total disregard for the safety of the fighters. Nice for the fans but deadlier chances for the human beings in the ring.
I don't mind the 12 rounds, but I think change the way the purse works so fighters get more for winning and less for losing.. Then i'd like to say say throw in a sliding scale so you get more for more rounds you win, but the judges already have to much power in a lot of cases and when their ridiculous scoring determins a couple of 100 thousand dollars, I wouldn't like to touch that one with a pole...
But a bonus for win by knockout would be good...
Just add some more haste and fireworks in the the 12 rounds we have and i'd be happy...
Plus thinking of some of the more boring fights of recent memory, they were already 9 rounds to long...
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Originally Posted by miles
Its a shame though. I seriously doubt we'll see 15 rounders again...
You make a good argument, I suppose, but none of it is particularly relevant to rounds 13-15 in title fights. It's as much an argument for reducing the length to 10 rounds, or three, or preventing fighters form having more than 20 career fights, or banning the sport altogether.Quote:
Originally Posted by blegit
Definately not. The reason some fighters end up with damage after boxing is because of accumulative damage. 15 rounds in a tough fight with a lot of hard punches being landed, can cause permanent damage that can be seen years after retirement, not immediately. Even 12 rounds is a lot, but those 3 more rounds make a difference. Ali and Frazier would probably agree. Its just not necessary to go 15 rounds. Plus, do you really want to see 15 rounds in a heavyweight fight today?
I totally agree that the day before weigh in has been reduced to a joke. Originally it was meant to allow guys to shed a reasonable amount of weight, like one to three pounds and then be able to rehydrate with reasonable safety. The way guys have done it instead is guys who should be fighting at 160 are boiling down to 147 then showing up in the ring weighing 162. Fucking ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
I say yes. 15 rounds used to sort the men from the boys. Also how would we like it if they rduced football (soccer) matches to 75 mins? There would be uproar so why not in boxing?
Yes for me, makes fights alot more exciting. More bang for the buck, I'm not sure if it's safer for the boxers though:-\
They should be brought back! I still think there would be controversial decisions but not as many, plus it would clean out a lot of the pretenders imo
15 rounders would be good only to help fighters Retire earlier in their careers or risk double vision and brain damage . Nevertheless they also separate the real fighters from those that could fluke a fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by LuciferTheGreat
Hell naw , I wanna see who can fight the best , not the longest.
The later rounds of a fight are always boring. Bringing back 15 round fights will basically make us watch more of the boring boxers who cant knock their opponent out. I cant say that I would want to watch more action from any fights that have gone 12 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
Also might make boxers start off slower knowing they will have to last more rounds.
Well what about fights like Hearns Leonard? that went 14 rounds and was an all time classic. If Gatti-Ward fights were title fights they would have been 12 round brawls. I think you are wrong on this front, some all time great fights were decided between the 12-15th rounds and plenty of drama was seen in them rounds!Quote:
Originally Posted by Snakefist Ar FuThe later rounds of a fight are always boring. Bringing back 15 round fights will basically make us watch more of the boring boxers who cant knock their opponent out. I cant say that I would want to watch more action from any fights that have gone 12 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
Also might make boxers start off slower knowing they will have to last more rounds.
Really???Quote:
Originally Posted by Snakefist Ar FuThe later rounds of a fight are always boring. Bringing back 15 round fights will basically make us watch more of the boring boxers who cant knock their opponent out. I cant say that I would want to watch more action from any fights that have gone 12 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
Also might make boxers start off slower knowing they will have to last more rounds.
What about another 3 rounds of Chacon/ Boza-Edwards? Or Leonard/ Hagler? Hagler woulda stopped him! Quiroga/ Anifowoshe, Bowe/ Holyfield, Morales/ Barrera (all 3) & who could forget Vasquez/ Marquez 3? All fights of the year that would have been wonderful 15 rounders & fights I would have loved to have seen more action from... there are loads more!
simply yes, world tittle fights should be 15 rounds
I don't think there is anything inherently less painfull/brutal/dangerous about 15 rounds instead of 12 rounds...I think 15 rounders may need to be brought back to get fighters in better shape.
I figure at the very least an odd number of rounds makes it less likely for us to have a draw or any more controversy than boxing already has.
I'm with you, but I think you mean "I don't think there is anything inherently more painfull/brutal/dangerous about 15 rounds instead of 12 rounds" But I get the point and I agree. Boxing is kinda like smoking. The more you smoke, the greater the risk. And yes it's cumulative, from the beginning. But there still is precious little convincing evidence that rounds 12-15 in world title fights between qualified competitors was a significant risk factor, compared to other rounds or other factors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
One thing for sure the 15 round fights would put a stop to alot of the ifs ands and buts
If their fights would have been 12 rounds, you would have seen the action earlier because they would have gone all out earlier.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuWell what about fights like Hearns Leonard? that went 14 rounds and was an all time classic. If Gatti-Ward fights were title fights they would have been 12 round brawls. I think you are wrong on this front, some all timeQuote:
Originally Posted by Snakefist Ar FuThe later rounds of a fight are always boring. Bringing back 15 round fights will basically make us watch more of the boring boxers who cant knock their opponent out. I cant say that I would want to watch more action from any fights that have gone 12 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
Also might make boxers start off slower knowing they will have to last more rounds.
great fights were decided between the 12-15th rounds and plenty of drama was seen in them rounds!
Yep thats the one. 11 or 13.Quote:
Originally Posted by VanChilds