Re: Does Kosta Tszyu's record stand up against the greats?
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Originally Posted by Snakey
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Honestly...I aint that big on Kostya.
He's a good fighter...but in the grand scheme of things...he's just a minnow that barely makes a splash in a much bigger pond.
Cotto, IWO, is a much superior fighter with a hell of a lot better record.
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Cotto...dude, he fights guys with good records...but with no good wins. They are all over cab drivers. And as for the guys on cottos record, most of them i never heard of...at all. I look over kostyas and i see former champions and good fighters that i have heard of. And remember zab didnt do too bad against floyd and also sharmba was at one point beating everyone put infront of him in the 140 division...until kostya came back and put him on his a***. Kostya will go down as a legend, love him or hate him. I just dont see how people can hate him, name a boxer who was as gracious in defeat as kostya was after hatton?
Don't hate him...he's just overratted.
Sorry...but Cotto has fought better opposition than Kostya in the end.
Re: Does Kosta Tszyu's record stand up against the greats?
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Snakey
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Honestly...I aint that big on Kostya.
He's a good fighter...but in the grand scheme of things...he's just a minnow that barely makes a splash in a much bigger pond.
Cotto, IWO, is a much superior fighter with a hell of a lot better record.
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Cotto...dude, he fights guys with good records...but with no good wins. They are all over cab drivers. And as for the guys on cottos record, most of them i never heard of...at all. I look over kostyas and i see former champions and good fighters that i have heard of. And remember zab didnt do too bad against floyd and also sharmba was at one point beating everyone put infront of him in the 140 division...until kostya came back and put him on his a***. Kostya will go down as a legend, love him or hate him. I just dont see how people can hate him, name a boxer who was as gracious in defeat as kostya was after hatton?
Don't hate him...he's just overratted.
Sorry...but
Cotto has fought better opposition than Kostya in the end.
overrated??? Wacko.....that’s one asinine statement mate.. How you figure that ?
Re: Does Kosta Tszyu's record stand up against the greats?
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Miguel Angel Gonzalez
Sharmba Mitchell
Diobelys Hurtado
I reckon all three of those guys are better fighters than Zab Judah. The Chavez fight doesn't even get a mention IMO - he was too old.
Rodriguez, Pineda, Ruelas - all world class fighters.
For 10 yrs he pretty much beat everybody out there at 140.
Tszyu was a fantastic 140 lbs fighter... the best Jr. Welterweight ever in my opinion. a fantastic fighter to watch , his style is very exciting.
I submit that even though Kostya beat Julio Cesar Chavez, JCC
was better overall.
JCC had more heart insomuch that he fought everyfriggin body on the planet at 140.
JCC was a great watch .. no doubt about that. better over all ? I don't know? they both terrific fighters . if pressed I would still lean to Tszyu . Just like Kostya better overall.
Kostya Tszyu only had 33 pro fights
JCC had 116
by the time they fought JCC had already been a pro for 20 years.
I have a real hard time rating someone that fights once a year higher than someone that was as successful and active as JCC. I agree that KT is up there, and HAD HE CONTINUED FIGHTING after losing to Hatton I would probably rate him higher. I'm trying to think of anyone that KT beat that had a great chin.
Whoah Killersheep... Miguel Angel Gonzalez had a great chin - just ask ODLH who pounded on it for 12 rounds and couldn't put him away. Tszyu was the first guy to stop him and he was never the same after.
Re: Does Kosta Tszyu's record stand up against the greats?
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kostya beat sharmba in how many rounds, 2 or 3 wasnt it?
mayweather fought an even worse sharmba and took 5,
Totally different styles of fighters.
You can't make a broad statement like that because it's well known that Kostya was more of a KO artist while Floyd was an accurate accumulative puncher.
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cotto got wobbled by de marcus corley lol, who hit mayweather a fair bit to be honest. cotto jus aint gnna take kostyas punches
Cotto was fighting a stupid fight that night against someone that he took to lightly...he hasn't been rocked like that in his whole career & then up until Torres. Cotto's fought some serious punchers & hasn't been stopped in 28 fights.
Kostya got beaten by Vince Phillips & stopped TKO in 2 matches out of 31 matches...I mean...come on. ::**
Ok well correct if im wrong but i see cotto fighting alot of stupid fights. He gets rocked by everyone lately. Imagine what KTs right hand would do to him. And trust me mate, if cotto fights pbf and maybe hatton...he could have a couple of losses on his record by tko. ;) And thats just stupid mate, your judging cottos current career...which hasnt been a very long one, against kostya long career who is about retired. Theres still alot to come for cotto, and it could be a lot of losses. Cotto fought abdaluev or however the F*** you spell it...the most hype that came out of that was the fact he beat cotto in the ams....IN THE F****** AMS! Ive seen cottos am record and that S*** was not great so making a fight on the fact he beat him in the ams is just fucked. And he seemed to give cotto a hard fight, that night i wasnt impressed with either of them. And then you got torres...hmm yeah, was i the only one who was left thinking who the F*** is that when that fight was announced? That fight should of been a blow out...yet cotto was put on queer street in the first couple of rounds. The names i recognise on cottos record are:lovemore ndou coz im an ozzie and ive seen him fight a lot and from what i saw of that fight, cotto faded down the stretch and lovemore came on like a motherfucker and made that one close fight...and lovemore aint that good ;)...actually he was kostyas SPARRING PARTNER ;) Maussa...hmm yeah awkward as F*** but no champion, he upset viv but viv wasnt great either, Corley...and he was givin cotto a bit of trouble and imo that fight was stopped too early and paulie who also gave cotto a bit of trouble even with a broken jaw and he was green as grass. Cotto got alot of S*** to prove yet to be mentioned next to kostya tszyus name, when cotto rules a division...for any period of time, dont expect him to match kostyas 10yrs, then talk to me about him being better ;)
Good to be back too guys, hows thing goin wacko?
Thought this thread might bring you out of the woodwork ;D
Re: Does Kosta Tszyu's record stand up against the greats?
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Honestly...I aint that big on Kostya.
He's a good fighter...but in the grand scheme of things...he's just a minnow that barely makes a splash in a much bigger pond.
Cotto, IWO, is a much superior fighter with a hell of a lot better record.
That’s just hatter garbage here. aint no backbone to this statement , no meat. you say "the grand scheme of things he is a minnow" ??? please .that’s snuff queen shit there bro ! ... I Love Cotto and if and when Cotto captures and unifies the titles he will then be on Kostya's level. O0
:coolclick: #2590 no hard feelings, I usually enjoy your reads !
Re: Does Kosta Tszyu's record stand up against the greats?
What were the best fights Kostya Tszyu was involved in?
Re: Does Kosta Tszyu's record stand up against the greats?
Well Kostya was just a young lad when he fought for the IBF light Welterweight belt.
(the same as Hatton & urango are fighting for tonight)
..In only his 11th pro fight!
Add to that he was fighting a slippery champion in Jake 'The Snake' Rodriguez.
Kostya came out and in about 30 seconds splattered him round the ring, putting him down twice (i recall?) - now how often do we see a kid in his 11th fight, spanking the seasoned champ? LOL
Thats Kostya - a true gentleman of the sport....with natural-disaster sized punching power for a little fella!!
Re: Does Kosta Tszyu's record stand up against the greats?
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Well Kostya was just a young lad when he fought for the IBF light Welterweight belt.
(the same as Hatton & urango are fighting for tonight)
..In only his 11th pro fight!
Add to that he was fighting a slippery champion in Jake 'The Snake' Rodriguez.
Kostya came out and in about 30 seconds splattered him round the ring, putting him down twice (i recall?) - now how often do we see a kid in his 11th fight, spanking the seasoned champ? LOL
Thats Kostya - a true gentleman of the sport....with natural-disaster sized punching power for a little fella!!
excellent analysis ! Kostya was tremendous, exciting fighter. :coolclick: #72
Re: Does Kosta Tszyu's record stand up against the greats?
A good question that can easily be answered, Tsyzu fought and beat a former world champion in only his 4th fight! Nearly 50% of all the fights he has had as a professional have been against World Champions.
He was the undisputed 140lb champion and universally recognized as the best 140lb fighter in the world for 10 years. Interseting that both former lightwieght Champions Mosely and Mayweather chose to avoid Tszyu like the plague when they both had a chance to move up and fight him.
De la Hoya didn't stick around to long in the 140lb division either for that matter.
His loss to Hatton is no black mark, age catches up with all fighters, do we question Duran, Leonard, Chavez or Hearns who all lost to fighters who wouldn't have lasted 5 rounds in their prime.
Tszyu's record stands up allright, have another look at how he demolished Gonzalez, Judah and Mitchell.
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A good question that can easily be answered, Tsyzu fought and beat a former world champion in only his 4th fight! Nearly 50% of all the fights he has had as a professional have been against World Champions.
He was the undisputed 140lb champion and universally recognized as the best 140lb fighter in the world for 10 years. Interseting that both former lightwieght Champions Mosely and Mayweather chose to avoid Tszyu like the plague when they both had a chance to move up and fight him.
De la Hoya didn't stick around to long in the 140lb division either for that matter.
His loss to Hatton is no black mark, age catches up with all fighters, do we question Duran, Leonard, Chavez or Hearns who all lost to fighters who wouldn't have lasted 5 rounds in their prime.
Tszyu's record stands up allright, have another look at how he demolished Gonzalez, Judah and Mitchell.
Good post......Kostya is one of the best 140lb fighters ever to grace the sport. His career set is fantastic and he was an amazing figure for the sport.
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cottos chin im sorry but it is SHIT... torress couldnt get near mike arnoutis, yet he managed to hit cotto many times!... for de marcus corley to wobble him is very worrying, no way could he get hir by hatton, tyszu or even mayweather if he cant take a flush shot by corley. i like cotto alot but he aint a champion imo, just imagine him getting wacked by paul williams or something
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Oakley, you put too much stock (misguided, I might add) on Cotto's "supposed" lack of chin. Any fighter will tell you that, you fight long enough, you're bound to get tagged by a flush shot sooner or later. It's how you react to getting tagged that separates the men from the boys. Yes, for the 1,000,000th time, Cotto did get wobbled by a flush shot by Corley. Corley's a professional fighter. Give him some credit. It's how Cotto weathered that and came back with his own KO that speaks volumes about the man's heart, skill, and championship stature.
Snakey, I like you, but some constructive criticism: It's possible to stick by your fighter without demeaning the other. Example: I'm a Cotto fan. But I don't diss on Kostya Tszyu to build up Cotto. Matter of fact, I'm a HUGE Kostya fan. His humiliation of Zab Judah, and his putdown of JCC were two of my favorite fights. Not to mention his impressive victories over Shramba Mitchell. So no... Cotto's opponents have definitely NOT been a bunch of "cab drivers." Do some research before you post stuff like that. Cotto has had some VERY credible and good opposition, if you bother to watch his fights and research his opponents credentials.
Finally, as to how Kostya's record stand up against the greats.... I think it stands up just fine. I think that previous post about how you can't dismiss a great fighter because of one devastating loss toward the end of his career hit the nail right on the head. So he lost to Hatton, so what? He went all the way to the U.K., into Hatton's backyard, obviously wasn't prepared for Hatton's mauling, relentless style and the ref's obliviousness to all of it, and finally just gave out. Not a black mark at all, IMO.
Re: Does Kosta Tszyu's record stand up against the greats?
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Honestly...I aint that big on Kostya.
He's a good fighter...but in the grand scheme of things...he's just a minnow that barely makes a splash in a much bigger pond.
Cotto, IWO, is a much superior fighter with a hell of a lot better record.
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always kinda felt like cotto could beat kostya :dontknow:
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A good question that can easily be answered, Tsyzu fought and beat a former world champion in only his 4th fight! Nearly 50% of all the fights he has had as a professional have been against World Champions.
He was the undisputed 140lb champion and universally recognized as the best 140lb fighter in the world for 10 years. Interseting that both former lightwieght Champions Mosely and Mayweather chose to avoid Tszyu like the plague when they both had a chance to move up and fight him.
De la Hoya didn't stick around to long in the 140lb division either for that matter.
His loss to Hatton is no black mark, age catches up with all fighters, do we question Duran, Leonard, Chavez or Hearns who all lost to fighters who wouldn't have lasted 5 rounds in their prime.
Tszyu's record stands up allright, have another look at how he demolished Gonzalez, Judah and Mitchell.
well that's enough for me....KT is a legit great.....50% that qualifies IMO...
