Does anyone here actually think Pacquaio would beat Mayweather Jr. p4p?

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also you say pbf if he would of stayed at super featherweight he would of cleaned up beating mab em pac and jmm, pbf doesn't have the balls to fight all of them, pac does, and pac has proved that. pbf would never stay at one division, he only jumps weights to beat chumps and collect a....b....c titles. thats how you stay undefeated........handpicking. and thats how you fool foolish fans thinking your so good when fact is YOUR ONLY AS GOOD AS YOUR OPPENENTS.

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Yea you got Floyd pegged on this one ::** yep no ballz at all... I guess the fact that he will have made 18 million dollars within this 6 month period Nov06-May07 and is the linear undefeated undisputed Welterweight Champion of the world and is fighting Oscar Delahoya for his Junior Middleweight title is not a reason to climb towards bigger and better things.. Not to mention Floyd is just entering the prime of his career.

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first of i said he doens't have the balls to fight them all, just like he didn't have to balls to shut his mouth and just fight a interesting challenge from a champion margarito. or how he kept jumping division to fight chumps and collect abc titles, pbf has never clean out a division unlike pac, pac took on the best asap at featherweights. pbf has always left out atleast very interesting fights in division to move up and just fight another chump. pbf has wasted many oppurtunity to be fighting someone hype instead he waste his times to fight another tune up to secure his undefeated record. pbf is a very low risk fighter. as a fighter low risk means less balls or noun at all. unlike a warrior.

no you say pbf is actually just entering his prime, pbf look way better in the lower weight class, pbf has slowed down actually. watch the baldomir fight he wasn't as fast and as defensive as he use to be.

bigger better things??? you mean bigger pay lower risk right? pbf is all about money not beating the best challenge possible.

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CC...nice post

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also you say pbf if he would of stayed at super featherweight he would of cleaned up beating mab em pac and jmm, pbf doesn't have the balls to fight all of them, pac does, and pac has proved that. pbf would never stay at one division, he only jumps weights to beat chumps and collect a....b....c titles. thats how you stay undefeated........handpicking. and thats how you fool foolish fans thinking your so good when fact is YOUR ONLY AS GOOD AS YOUR OPPENENTS.

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Yea you got Floyd pegged on this one ::** yep no ballz at all... I guess the fact that he will have made 18 million dollars within this 6 month period Nov06-May07 and is the linear undefeated undisputed Welterweight Champion of the world and is fighting Oscar Delahoya for his Junior Middleweight title is not a reason to climb towards bigger and better things.. Not to mention Floyd is just entering the prime of his career.

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first of i said he doens't have the balls to fight them all, just like he didn't have to balls to shut his mouth and just fight a interesting challenge from a champion margarito. or how he kept jumping division to fight chumps and collect abc titles, pbf has never clean out a division unlike pac, pac took on the best asap at featherweights. pbf has always left out atleast very interesting fights in division to move up and just fight another chump. pbf has wasted many oppurtunity to be fighting someone hype instead he waste his times to fight another tune up to secure his undefeated record. pbf is a very low risk fighter. as a fighter low risk means less balls or noun at all. unlike a warrior.

no you say pbf is actually just entering his prime, pbf look way better in the lower weight class, pbf has slowed down actually. watch the baldomir fight he wasn't as fast and as defensive as he use to be.

bigger better things??? you mean bigger pay lower risk right? pbf is all about money not beating the best challenge possible.

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I'll say it again like I said it before... Floyd is still young and I dont blame him for maximizing his earning early on, boxing is a cruel sport that has left many desolate in there lives when there career is over, injury and tragedy can strike at anytime... I honestly believe that Floyds been waiting for this moment his whole career and will be his biggest payday by far, all this retirement talk is just to cause a dramatic storyline to add another profitable angle to this fight..... After this there are many directions he can go... Guys gotta stop being so friggin critical ;)

no..no...and HELL NO!!!! Pac couldn't carry PBF's jockstrap......:)

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Since people are talking about Pacquaio being better than Mayweather do you guys actually think if they were the same size that Pacquaio would stand a chance? Despite weighing more Mayweather is still much faster, is able to keep a guy naturally 190 pounds off of him, and he has the best technique in over a decade if not ever. I am confused how a guy as open as open defensively as Pacquaio would present any sort of trouble for PBF. Do you incorporate excitement, and enjoyment factors into the equation? Because I don't see what all the hype is about... Pacquaio is good, but he has far too many holes to be number 1 or 2 p4p.

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No i think Mayweather would win.....but it's the stoppage wins over Barrera and Morales that put him up there. Barrera and Morales are probably bigger wins than any of Mayweathers.

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The thing people forget is that Mayweather can stand toe to toe... If you want a relentless puncher look at Philip Ndou, of course he doesn't have the skill of Pacquaio, but he hit harder(not p4p), and he had just as high or higher a work rate. Mayweather destroyed him in the pocket. Pacquaio isn't a relentless fighter anymore... He does come forward all alot, but not always throw punches, and that makes openings for the fastest fighter on the planet. Mayweather can fight on the inside, or on the outside, he can take a punch, he has a terific jab, hook, cross, uppercut, and the best stamina in the business. Some might say that he doesn't have the power, but he kept Baldomir far more honest than any of us expected with his power, and he kept Gatti honest, and even Castillo in their second fight. Castillo is another relentless guy who comes forward, and he has a better chin than Pacquaio by far along with good head movement, and the first fight Mayweather had broken ribs and a torn rotator cuff and he still won the fight. I am not saying Pacquaio is good, but I see him getting a complete beat down by Mayweather, Whitaker, Judah, super featherweight ODLH, Mosley, Duran, maybe even Corrales, and definitely Casamayor. So to compare him to Mayweather p4p is absurd to me.

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Good analysis. Still I reserve my judgement after the ODLH fight. By the way, I think he lost the first fight with Castillo IMO. Did you mean the second which in my opinion he convincingly won?

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Yeah I believe he won the second won convincingly, and I thought he won the first one simply because he was landing way harder, and cleaner shots... Castillo landed more shots but most of them were while the two were tied up or the occasional right hand getting through. Two other fighters I didn't mention that Mayweather fought are Jesus Chavez, and Emanuel Burton. He also fought Henry Bruseles(yawn), and more impressively Demarcus Corley in close. My point is that Mayweather is a far more rounded fighter than Pacquaio, and a better athlete with a better chin.

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One thing Floyd is not over Pac is a better athlete. Floyd is obviously the much sounder technical fighter. As it stands right now...Pac must be ranked higher than Floyd simply because his resume is much more impressive. He has fought 3 GREAT fighters in Morales, Barrera, and Marquez. As far as i'm concerned, Floyd has not fought one great fighter (and that includes Castillo). Does any of this mean that if Floyd and Pac fought...Floyd wouldn't win? No. But at least Pac can back up his pound for pound status with fights against great opposition.

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Sure. Pac deserves to be top 3 P4P, but not number #1. Pac simply hasn't done enough yet. Pac hasn't proved that he can span weight classes and still be effective against championship level competition. Floyd is attempting his fifth weight class in May and he has fought championship level competiton in each weight class. As a boxer, he is miles ahead of Pac. People forget that actually boxing skills matter in determining P4P and no one can say that Floyd isn't the best boxer in the world. No one has his skills, but if Pac can move up to 135 and clean out that division, then "Who's #1 P4P?" becomes a valid conversation.

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Mayweather doens't seem to be cleaning out any divisions. Not at 140 or 147. Not at 154 either. The argument for Pacman is simple...

The wins over Barrera and Morales and the draw with Marquez propell him upto the top 3. Those 3 fighters are greater than any of the opponents Mayweather has fought. The one Mayweather opponent you could consider as close to great is Castillo and no matter what the record says, most nuetral fans would agree that castillo won that fight byabout 3 or 4 rounds. Mayweather's body language at the end of that fight suggests that he knew he lost. I know he went on to beat castillo in the rematch (and he did, quite easily), wins over Corrales, Jesus Chavez, Gatti, Judah, Baldomir, Mitchell just don't compare to stoppage wins over future greats Barrera and Morales. He's not stuck around in a division for long enough to truly domintate it. If he did, there would be wins over Casamayor, Hatton, Cotto and even Margarito on his record. Even if there is the great possibilty of him beating all 4 of these guys, he hasn't fought them and there is arguments suggesting that each of these guys stand more of a chance than any of his past opponents. I also believe the fact that Mayweather hasn't fought outside of his homeland is possibly a factor. Pacman has on numerous occassions. As has Winky Wright. I believe the ability to perform away from home is a factor when determing how great a fighter is.

As for saying that Pacman has not moved up in weight and cleared up is irrelevant because Mayweather has only ever 'cleared up' at super feather. Also a fighter with an all action style like Pacman would be advised not to move up through the weights as eventually he will run into a fighter who is too big and strong for him. Mayweather's style allows him to move up the weights mainly because he is so effective at making size and strength become less of a factor. His technical ability allows him to move up and down a number of weight divisions, but the minute he engages with a bigger, stronger, harder hitting fighter could spell trouble in the same way it would for Pacman if he engaged in an all out brawl with a Welter weight.

For the record i do believe Mayweather is light years ahead of ANYBODY when it comes to technical ability. And i do actually think he could 'hang' with the likes of Leanord, Duran etc...

But i can see the argument for having Pacman in the top 3.....based on what i have posted above.

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Since people are talking about Pacquaio being better than Mayweather do you guys actually think if they were the same size that Pacquaio would stand a chance? Despite weighing more Mayweather is still much faster, is able to keep a guy naturally 190 pounds off of him, and he has the best technique in over a decade if not ever. I am confused how a guy as open as open defensively as Pacquaio would present any sort of trouble for PBF. Do you incorporate excitement, and enjoyment factors into the equation? Because I don't see what all the hype is about... Pacquaio is good, but he has far too many holes to be number 1 or 2 p4p.

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No i think Mayweather would win.....but it's the stoppage wins over Barrera and Morales that put him up there. Barrera and Morales are probably bigger wins than any of Mayweathers.

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I would agree with the Barrera one, but I don't think the Morrales fights were that big because Morrales had already lost convincingly before they fought the second fight against a good boxer in Raheem, but it showed he was past his prime, and he fough tPacquaio at too low a weight.

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Since people are talking about Pacquaio being better than Mayweather do you guys actually think if they were the same size that Pacquaio would stand a chance? Despite weighing more Mayweather is still much faster, is able to keep a guy naturally 190 pounds off of him, and he has the best technique in over a decade if not ever. I am confused how a guy as open as open defensively as Pacquaio would present any sort of trouble for PBF. Do you incorporate excitement, and enjoyment factors into the equation? Because I don't see what all the hype is about... Pacquaio is good, but he has far too many holes to be number 1 or 2 p4p.

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No i think Mayweather would win.....but it's the stoppage wins over Barrera and Morales that put him up there. Barrera and Morales are probably bigger wins than any of Mayweathers.

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I would agree with the Barrera one, but I don't think the Morrales fights were that big because Morrales had already lost convincingly before they fought the second fight against a good boxer in Raheem, but it showed he was past his prime, and he fough tPacquaio at too low a weight.

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Yeh i suppose but even then i think a stoppage over a slightly past it Morales is stil better than any of Mayweathers wins. Even though Raheem beat him earlier, he outboxed him. Pure boxing isn't Morales' game. Pacman out fought Morales...and that is Morales' game.

mr roach said after pac man kocks out odlh they will go after pbf

imo odlh will kill pac man, pac man hasn't even faught at 140 but he's going up to 147 bad idea secound watch pac mans last fight i forgot the guys name but with pac mans punching power at 135 it took him 9 rounds to ko a guy that he was hittin with every punch in the book.

the only way we will see pbf vs pac man is if pac man can beat odlh and if he does that maybe pbf will come back if the price is right.... i say floyd beats pac mans ass inside outside its no contest

NO....His style is tailor made for Floyd

Don't regard what I said in here, it was several years ago. I still think Floyd was truly better p4p, but I think Pacquaio is a lot better then I indicated in here, I was just making the point that opponents don't make you a better fighter than you are. I also think Pacquaio didn't tailor made for Floyd, he is very fast(close to Floyd's speed at least now), he is southpaw which has always given Floyd problems, and his best punch is the left cross which is the only punch that has ever landed with regularity against Mayweather. Obviously I think Floyd wins but because of his defensive mindset I don't see him countering like Marquez did, or at least not if Pacquaio carries his power whatsoever to welterweight.

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yea i agree. but he is fast and throws alot of punches even though he might miss MOST of them the judges might still give manny the rounds. but i see PBF countering the hell outta him all night long maybe even ko manny.

i would say mayweather would win by UD it would be a good fight though ;)

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NO....His style is tailor made for Floyd

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yea i agree. but he is fast and throws alot of punches even though he might miss MOST of them the judges might still give manny the rounds. but i see PBF countering the hell outta him all night long maybe even ko manny.

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People also tend to forget that just because Manny throws a lot of punches and is fast he has one other weakness..

Pacquiao is not superhuman.....He does not have a grinite chin....That has been proven in more then one occassion....2 of his 3 losses have been ny KO...He has tasted canvas quite a few times....he went down in the first Marquez fight what 4 times I think....Marquez is not a starong as Floyd.....If Floyd can absorb DLH punches and he can absorb Pacquiaos....

Ask Hatton if Floyd can punch a bit...ask him how easy Floyd is to hit.....Ask Judah, Corley, Castillo and Augustas all fast or hard hitters that
seem to have the recipe at first to deal with Floyd....

The man is in a different league....he beats guys with no effort....he makes sport of it....


I can't believe I am hyping PBF :-\

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NO....His style is tailor made for Floyd

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yea i agree. but he is fast and throws alot of punches even though he might miss MOST of them the judges might still give manny the rounds. but i see PBF countering the hell outta him all night long maybe even ko manny.

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People also tend to forget that just because Manny throws a lot of punches and is fast he has one other weakness..

Pacquiao is not superhuman.....He does not have a grinite chin....That has been proven in more then one occassion....2 of his 3 losses have been ny KO...He has tasted canvas quite a few times....he went down in the first Marquez fight what 4 times I think....Marquez is not a starong as Floyd.....If Floyd can absorb DLH punches and he can absorb Pacquiaos....

Ask Hatton if Floyd can punch a bit...ask him how easy Floyd is to hit.....Ask Judah, Corley, Castillo and Augustas all fast or hard hitters that
seem to have the recipe at first to deal with Floyd....

The man is in a different league....he beats guys with no effort....he makes sport of it....


I can't believe I am hyping PBF :-\

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I have watched Castillo-Mayweather about 20 times and I still think Castillo won it. He got Floyd to the body a lot in that fight.

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NO....His style is tailor made for Floyd

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yea i agree. but he is fast and throws alot of punches even though he might miss MOST of them the judges might still give manny the rounds. but i see PBF countering the hell outta him all night long maybe even ko manny.

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People also tend to forget that just because Manny throws a lot of punches and is fast he has one other weakness..

Pacquiao is not superhuman.....He does not have a grinite chin....That has been proven in more then one occassion....2 of his 3 losses have been ny KO...He has tasted canvas quite a few times....he went down in the first Marquez fight what 4 times I think....Marquez is not a starong as Floyd.....If Floyd can absorb DLH punches and he can absorb Pacquiaos....

Ask Hatton if Floyd can punch a bit...ask him how easy Floyd is to hit.....Ask Judah, Corley, Castillo and Augustas all fast or hard hitters that
seem to have the recipe at first to deal with Floyd....

The man is in a different league....he beats guys with no effort....he makes sport of it....


I can't believe I am hyping PBF :-\

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Which reminds me I'd actually like to see Hatton and PAc at a catch seeing they are all playing the weight game.
:D I'd also like to see two monster trucks in a head on.

Mayweather would stay too cool and be able to move with Manny like a dance partner, hitting him up the openings left everytime Pac is overcommitted to a move.

I can't believe I am hyping PBF :-\ "Ditto."

Oh and Judah tagged him plenty for 4 rounds but we all know he goes downhill from the first few rounds.

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Oh and Judah tagged him plenty for 4 rounds but we all know he goes downhill from the first few rounds.

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Zab Judah would tag anyone he has some of the quickest hands i've ever seen, but he still does get overrated on how well he actually was doing in the Floyd Mayweather fight. He only won 3 out of the first 4 rounds then Floyd Mayweather figured out Zab Judah, and gave him a pasting for the rest of the fight. As for Jose Luis Castillo vs Floyd Mayweather 1 Floyd Mayweather had an injured shoulder, so he wasn't 100 percent in the fight.

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Oh and Judah tagged him plenty for 4 rounds but we all know he goes downhill from the first few rounds.

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Zab Judah would tag anyone he has some of the quickest hands i've ever seen, but he still does get overrated on how well he actually was doing in the Floyd Mayweather fight. He only won 3 out of the first 4 rounds then Floyd Mayweather figured out Zab Judah, and gave him a pasting for the rest of the fight. As for Jose Luis Castillo vs Floyd Mayweather 1 Floyd Mayweather had an injured shoulder, so he wasn't 100 percent in the fight.

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I know how Zab did I watched the fight plenty of times, but he did show that he could hit Floyd whenever he felt while his mind was switched on.

Floyd still lost the Castillo fight though, injured or not, Castillo still won and the scores were bullshit. I think Castillo fought his fucking heart out that night and got robbed of everything he fought for, the cards were pure wank.

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NO....His style is tailor made for Floyd

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yea i agree. but he is fast and throws alot of punches even though he might miss MOST of them the judges might still give manny the rounds. but i see PBF countering the hell outta him all night long maybe even ko manny.

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People also tend to forget that just because Manny throws a lot of punches and is fast he has one other weakness..

Pacquiao is not superhuman.....He does not have a grinite chin....That has been proven in more then one occassion....2 of his 3 losses have been ny KO...He has tasted canvas quite a few times....he went down in the first Marquez fight what 4 times I think....Marquez is not a starong as Floyd.....If Floyd can absorb DLH punches and he can absorb Pacquiaos....

Ask Hatton if Floyd can punch a bit...ask him how easy Floyd is to hit.....Ask Judah, Corley, Castillo and Augustas all fast or hard hitters that
seem to have the recipe at first to deal with Floyd....

The man is in a different league....he beats guys with no effort....he makes sport of it....


I can't believe I am hyping PBF :-\

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I agree that mayweather is much better and would maybe stop manny. But when did pac go down 4 times against marquez?

No way can Pac beat Floyd Mayweather.

Floyd Mayweather Is Unbeatable

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No one is unbeatable, although i'd agree that at the time he retired there was no one that would, all the more better that he left instead of waiting around for that person that finally could. He would figure out manny just like he does everyone else and then just get critisized again for fighting someone that didn't beat him lol !!

Floyd isnt unbeatable . There were alot of better challenges he could have taken but he didnt . However p4p he beats Pac

no way, he wont beat DLH (i like manny) but hes too small

Mayweather is unbeatable in this era of boxing barring going up to middleweight. IN his generation nobody would have beaten him. Margarito? No way, I have a lot more respect for Tony then I did, but he can't lay a hand on Floyd, Mosley? Mosley is just speed, he doesn't have the technical skills to hang with Floyd. Cotto? Cotto isn't fast enough, and maybe not tough enough to take all those counters(we don't know). Paul Williams, he sucks against a guy who can counter punch and stay away ala Quintana, and Floyd is a way better boxer on the move than Quintana is.

I see Whitaker and the 80's welterweight division in terms of modern boxing giving Floyd a really tough time, and the 80's welterweights its mainly because Floyd is so small for a welterweight, I mean p4p you put him at WW Mayweather would be 5'10-5'11(considering he was around 5'8 at 130). That means he would have been probably a little bigger then Leonard, and you look at Floyd at 130 he jabbed way more because it was a lot more powerful in comparison to his opposition, he also threw combinations and wasn't subjected to fighting off the ropes because guys weren't 15x bigger then him. Most importantly he had power at 130, he wasn't a Hearns type puncher, but it was very similar to Leonard's power at WW.

All that being said I think this modern group of WW has amazing debth in the division, but not a whole lot of ATG potential, I mean I could see Berto if he maximizes his potential being an ATG, but besides him and Cotto who in their prime or nearing it in the 147 pound division deserves that type of Greatness? Maybe Margarito as well, but I think by the time their careers are written Cotto will have a more impressive career.

IMO Pac has nothing on FLoyd and would probably get stopped late. Pac is a fantastic fighter, but in FLoyd he would be fighting someone even faster than he, who has forgot more technique and tricks than Pac has ever had.

I don't know how people think Pac would stop Floyd, when FLoyd has taken shots from big punchers at 140, 147 and even 154 in DLH and has stood up to them. Pac isn't the kind of huge puncher that will blast guys out in the first round anyway, he wears you down, and theres no way he lands enough leather on Floyd to wear him down IMO.

People forget to that when Floyd started his career at 130, he was considered to be a big puncher

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Oh and Judah tagged him plenty for 4 rounds but we all know he goes downhill from the first few rounds.

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Zab Judah would tag anyone he has some of the quickest hands i've ever seen, but he still does get overrated on how well he actually was doing in the Floyd Mayweather fight. He only won 3 out of the first 4 rounds then Floyd Mayweather figured out Zab Judah, and gave him a pasting for the rest of the fight. As for Jose Luis Castillo vs Floyd Mayweather 1 Floyd Mayweather had an injured shoulder, so he wasn't 100 percent in the fight.

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I know how Zab did I watched the fight plenty of times, but he did show that he could hit Floyd whenever he felt while his mind was switched on.

Floyd still lost the Castillo fight though, injured or not, Castillo still won and the scores were bullshit. I think Castillo fought his fucking heart out that night and got robbed of everything he fought for, the cards were pure wank.

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Castillo v PBF was dead close, could easily have gone either way. No way Castillo won easily, and if the fight is close and the scores are close then they are not bulllshit. Anyway Floyd did what all champs do and whipped Castillo in their second fight.
Also Floyd has improved since then.

As arrogant and annoying PBF can be, and how I fnd his fights quite boring I have to admit that he was clearly the best boxer p4p when he was around.

No way would Pacman beat him, Floyd is just too slick defensively and would beat Pacman with a late KO whether at 130 through to 147

I think some people here have misunderstood the title of the thread. The title is asking whether Pacquaio would get the p4p title from Mayweather. This thread was made many moons ago and this thread was not made to pit Pacquaio against Mayweather in the ring. If my memory does not fail me, this thread was in reaction to the question of whether who is the best pound for pound. Pacquioa then was getting some votes as to pound for pound number 1 when Mayweather was yet reigning as p4p #1.

As to the excitement factor, Pacquaio is p4p #1.

As to technical skill, Mayweather is p4p #1.

In a hypothetical match between the two, Mayweather has a slight edge against the Pacman but I give Pacquiao a chance against the lightweight Mayweather.

As to quality of opponents, Pac is undoubtedly number 1 p4p.

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I think some people here have misunderstood the title of the thread. The title is asking whether Pacquaio would get the p4p title from Mayweather. This thread was made many moons ago and this thread was not made to pit Pacquaio against Mayweather in the ring. If my memory does not fail me, this thread was in reaction to the question of whether who is the best pound for pound. Pacquioa then was getting some votes as to pound for pound number 1 when Mayweather was yet reigning as p4p #1.

As to the excitement factor, Pacquaio is p4p #1.

As to technical skill, Mayweather is p4p #1.

In a hypothetical match between the two, Mayweather has a slight edge against the Pacman but I give Pacquiao a chance against the lightweight Mayweather.

As to quality of opponents, Pac is undoubtedly number 1 p4p.

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Dont take this as a dig cos i agree with most of your post, but i think u got the title and vibe of the thread wrong. I think the title is asking does anyone believe Pac would beat PBF if they were the same size, and both in their primes.