-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hairdoo
1. Shane Mosley
2. Miguel Cotto
3. Paul Williams
4. Antonio Margarito
5. Ricky Hatton
There is always the politics bla bla bla blaa.... but my point is those names are the top 5 welterweights yes?
Think outside the square... could any other champion in any other weight division be considered so great without even facing one of the top 5 at his weight?
Could Baldomir, Judah or Mitchell beat any of the guys on this list? NO.
But when he faced them, Baldomir and Judah were top 5 welterweights. The rankings changed and he's temporarily chasing the money. 5 months ago, none of these guys other then Margarito and maybe Cotto weren't on that list so what was Mayweather supposed to do?
Good point and if Judah beat Baldo I wouldn't even be posting right now but this is how i see it at the moment.
Mayweather hasn't retired and these guys do exist.
-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hairdoo
1. Shane Mosley
2. Miguel Cotto
3. Paul Williams
4. Antonio Margarito
5. Ricky Hatton
These are unequivocally the top FIVE Welterweights at the moment and yet the so called greatest welterweight of all ourtime has fought not a single one of them? ???
How could a welterweight champion leave the sport claiming to be one of the greatest if not THE greatest ever and have people believe him without even facing ONE of the current top 5 welterweights? ::**
Lightweight great maybe but Floyd Mayweather's career has unfinished business at welterweight. Oscar is a step in the right direction but with one foot out the retirement door a win over Oscar can be deflated.
I hope PBF gets sparked bigtime!! Then I can sit back and enjoy the rest of his career because getting KTFO at 154 by ODLH won't hurt his legacy at all, it may actually push him into creating one at 147. ;D
Who has Cotto,Margo,Williams,Hatton beaten that was great??
Did you not see Mosley get destroyed twice by Winky?(dont blame it on the weight)He is ranked at the top of your list based on his last fight?
Baldo,Zab,Gatti,etc...were all top welters at one point in time so its not like Cotto,Margo,Hatton have been up at the top for 5 years.
hey.. mosely got destroyed by winky and forest.. but at least he has the ball to stand there and throw instead of scratching his way to victory...
-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
Casamayor,Freitas,Spadafora,Hatton,Tszyu,Cotto,Mar garito,these are just some of the guys that Floyd could have fought.
Hatton and Cotto have shown no interest in fighting Mayweather to this point. Margarito has done nothing to prove he was more worthy of an opponent than Baldomir, who was the recognized WW champ.
With Tszyu, there were major contractual issues (HBO-Showtime). Casamayor and Freitas would have been interesting opponents, I'll grant that. Spadafora would've gotten his ass kicked.
Quote:
Granted,it's not always been his fault but to look at his resume and say the guy is a legend or an ATG,is ridiculous. And for him to mention his own name in same breath as SRR,Ali etc is embaressing.
But what he says, (ridiculous or not) has nothing to do with his status in the sport of boxing!!
This is a big pet peeve of mine.
When people start their anti-Floyd post, they never go more than a sentence or two without complaining about what Floyd "says."
What Floyd talks about or brags about has nothing to do with what he does in the ring. Just because he's not likeable doesn't make him any more or less of a boxer. Just like the fact that Shane Mosley is a nice guy doesn't make him a better boxer.
Evaluate Floyd by what he does in the ring, because that's all that matters. And I'm not attacking you personally, because there are plenty of posters who do this as well.
You completely miss the point with the second part. By comparing himself to SRR etc,is he not going to be more harshly criticised? Is he not going to be under the microscope for more detailed analysis with comments like that> Only a fool would say no.And by making those comments,and having a resume like his,he is nowhere the standards of an all time great. And I know you are not attacking me because nowhere have I insinuated that by being an idiot,it makes him an even lesser of a fighter.
You're jumping to conclusions. I know others have said Floyd is is a fool therefore less of a fighter,I have not. I've said Floyd makes silly remarks,but he has no justifications for those remarks..yet. Maybe if after Oscar,he comes back and cleans out 147,then he can say he's an all time great,it'll probably be true.
And there is no one here who can tell me unequivocally Floyd is the best at 140/147. He didn't fight anywhere near the best at either of those weight classes. And you are way off,Hatton has made it clear he wanted to fight Floyd....for $13mill ;D. So what if Floyd would have beat Spadafora easily in your opinion,he's fought guys like Brusseles and Gatti,why not fight a worthy champion?
-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
There is another thread Titled: What do you think makes a great champion.
My response is unifying the belts in your division. If we are going to talk about legacy than what Floyd needs to do to cement his legacy is unify his division. Yes he was THE CHAMP at 135, but he was certanly never THE champ at 140 or 147 because he never unified those divs. How could you say you are the champ and have some other guy be presented as a champ in you division and not fight him.
The fight against DLH means nothing other than BIG MONEY. Ofcourse he's going to take that fight. There is big rewards and very low risk because most people agree that even if he loses he is WAY over his natural weight and he is fighting arguably the best 154 pounder at this time in DLH. And if he wins then he has a huge name in his record and he beat him under some seriously disadvantegous circumstances.
After that, win or lose, he should come back down to 147 and clean house. Then we can consider him an All Time Great.
But this thread is about his record. Regardless of who he has faught, the fact that he is 37-0 with really only one fight that you could say was even close is in and of itself very impressive. Add to that that he did face the top at his division at the time in JLC and Chico Corrales and you have a fighter that has done more than most fighters of his era. The other names on hes record a just a plus to this and even though they were not in their prime, were defenetely capable and dangerous fighters.
-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
IMO cleaning up at 147 means nothing...because other than Mosley...they arent impressive...period.
Floyd will more than likely fight Hatton an then call it quits.For those who say he is too greedy and that his ego is to big to retire...First of all you dont know him and second he has more than enough money to call it quits...and he has said that he will either commentate or focus on his record label.So until further notice...he plans to fight Hatton and hang em up.I doubt that there will be a DLH rematch(win lose or draw) because he has said that he will never do business with Golden Boy Promotions again.
-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
IMO cleaning up at 147 means nothing...
The jokes thread is in the other forum mate
-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lords Gym
Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
IMO cleaning up at 147 means nothing...
The jokes thread is in the other forum mate
LMFAO CC LG. :D :D :D :D That is,P4P,one of the most ludicrous statements I've ever read in my time here.147 is probably the deepest division,talent wise.
-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
IMO cleaning up at 147 means nothing...because other than Mosley...they arent impressive...period.
Floyd will more than likely fight Hatton an then call it quits.For those who say he is too greedy and that his ego is to big to retire...First of all you dont know him and second he has more than enough money to call it quits...and he has said that he will either commentate or focus on his record label.So until further notice...he plans to fight Hatton and hang em up.I doubt that there will be a DLH rematch(win lose or draw) because he has said that he will never do business with Golden Boy Promotions again.
Floyd is all talk. He talks a lot. He said a lot about Gatti, then said that it was all just talk and he respects him greatly. I wouldn't be surprised to see Mayweather get a stake in Golden Boy after this. He's a talker. He already called out Mosley at the press conference.
And to say cleaning up means nothing, sorry man I've been with you most of this thread but 147 is far from unimpressive. It's in as good of shape as it has been in a long time. Very deep.
-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lords Gym
Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
IMO cleaning up at 147 means nothing...
The jokes thread is in the other forum mate
LMFAO CC LG. :D :D :D :D That is,P4P,one of the most ludicrous statements I've ever read in my time here.147 is probably the deepest division,talent wise.
LOL.. :coolclick: #1497
-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lords Gym
Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
IMO cleaning up at 147 means nothing...
The jokes thread is in the other forum mate
Then what are you doing over here?
-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
IMO cleaning up at 147 means nothing...because other than Mosley...they arent impressive...period.
Floyd will more than likely fight Hatton an then call it quits.For those who say he is too greedy and that his ego is to big to retire...First of all you dont know him and second he has more than enough money to call it quits...and he has said that he will either commentate or focus on his record label.So until further notice...he plans to fight Hatton and hang em up.I doubt that there will be a DLH rematch(win lose or draw) because he has said that he will never do business with Golden Boy Promotions again.
Floyd is all talk. He talks a lot. He said a lot about Gatti, then said that it was all just talk and he respects him greatly. I wouldn't be surprised to see Mayweather get a stake in Golden Boy after this. He's a talker. He already called out Mosley at the press conference.
And to say cleaning up means nothing, sorry man I've been with you most of this thread but 147 is far from unimpressive. It's in as good of shape as it has been in a long time. Very deep.
Who is in the WW division???
Mosley is on the decline...he had one good fight back.
Cotto-Hasnt been impressive against Malignaggi and Urkal.He swings wide and takes a lot of head shots...the guy was on the verge of getting KO'd twice.
Hatton-Has looked terrible in his last few fights...he gased against collazo.His style wont get him far with people who can actually box.He also has a resume full of nobodies.
Williams-He hasnt beat anyone.He is another boxer who tries to keep pressure on his opponents and throw a ton of wide looping shots.
Margo-He has maybe 2 names on his resume
I stated FACTS....This is the division that is soo glamorous!??
-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lords Gym
Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
IMO cleaning up at 147 means nothing...
The jokes thread is in the other forum mate
LMFAO CC LG. :D :D :D :D That is,P4P,one of the most ludicrous statements I've ever read in my time here.147 is probably the deepest division,talent wise.
Maybe not the deepest yet, but definately will be within the next 5 years. It actually has many exciting up and comers making noise. They have no name recognition yet so they will have to fight each other to reach the stage that allows them to fight the "names." Definately one of the divisions that keeps fans excited about the near future of boxing.
-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
IMO cleaning up at 147 means nothing...because other than Mosley...they arent impressive...period.
Floyd will more than likely fight Hatton an then call it quits.For those who say he is too greedy and that his ego is to big to retire...First of all you dont know him and second he has more than enough money to call it quits...and he has said that he will either commentate or focus on his record label.So until further notice...he plans to fight Hatton and hang em up.I doubt that there will be a DLH rematch(win lose or draw) because he has said that he will never do business with Golden Boy Promotions again.
Floyd is all talk. He talks a lot. He said a lot about Gatti, then said that it was all just talk and he respects him greatly. I wouldn't be surprised to see Mayweather get a stake in Golden Boy after this. He's a talker. He already called out Mosley at the press conference.
And to say cleaning up means nothing, sorry man I've been with you most of this thread but 147 is far from unimpressive. It's in as good of shape as it has been in a long time. Very deep.
Who is in the WW division???
Mosley is on the decline...he had one good fight back.
Cotto-Hasnt been impressive against Malignaggi and Urkal.He swings wide and takes a lot of head shots...the guy was on the verge of getting KO'd twice.
Hatton-Has looked terrible in his last few fights...he gased against collazo.His style wont get him far with people who can actually box.He also has a resume full of nobodies.
Williams-He hasnt beat anyone.He is another boxer who tries to keep pressure on his opponents and throw a ton of wide looping shots.
Margo-He has maybe 2 names on his resume
I stated FACTS....This is the division that is soo glamorous!??
Mosley would be the first guy ever in the ring with Floyd that could possibly be just as fast and have much more power then Mayweather while still being a smart fighter.
Hatton is the Ring Magazine number 10 P4P fighter, something Floyd hasn't faced in a long while.
Cotto is going in against Judah. If he does a number on Judah, someone you yourself thinks will beat Cotto, and someone who was Floyd's biggest fight past 135 aside from DLH. Not to mention he has one of the fastest growing fanbases in all of boxing.
Margarito and Williams are two guys who would have had to gone through each other by the time the face Floyd, and would have beat Cotto or Judah. Both are very big, possess high workrates and both can crack.
Mayweather, Cotto, Hatton and Mosley are all probably top 10 in terms of boxing's most recognizable stars. All the networks compete to get these guys, whether it be to fight or just in studio for an interview ect. Yet there is no glamour in that division?
-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
147LB division is not impressive eh? I notice that Cotto, Margo, Williams, Mosley and Hatton don't seem to lose to much!!! Of course Floyd has to clean house at 147, if he loses to DLH and I think he will, his legacy in the sport demands he does. It is a strong division and the most interesting, proven by the fact that we all talk about it so much ourselves!
-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
Quote:
Originally Posted by glennf
Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
Quote:
Originally Posted by glennf
Floyd's record is fine at 135, he fought the best and won in that division. My beef is Tszyu was around in 02 and 03 and surely a match up could have been made. Tszyu dominated the 140lb division for nearly ten years and Mayweather didn't take up the challenge. Hatton beats Tszyu in 05 and again where is Mayweather? He fights Gatti and Mitchell who in their day were very good but by the time he gets to them they are finished! It's a good resume but not a great one yet! He still has some work to do before his legacy is set in stone. Cotto, Hatton, Mosley, Margarito, Williams the list is strong.
I see it like this...Hatton has looked extra sloppy in his last 2 fights(which he has publicly admitted).So he has definitely lost some steam.
Mosley had one good fight...and now everyone is ready to throw his name in there after just one fight?
Margo is fighting Williams so one will lose a top ranking and a chance at the top level(Floyd).
So what you are saying is that a fight with Cotto and Hatton will cement Floyds legacy??????????????????I didnt think a 28year old and an out of shape slugger had that much affect on Floyds legacy.
I will clarify the statement, I think he missed a great opportunity to fight and beat a future hall of famer in Tszyu who was the 140lb king for a long time. Secondly he needs to unify the 147lb belt and that means beating Hatton and Cotto, they are both unbeaten currently and Mosley's overall record and recent performances entitle him to a shot at Mayweather. I think you are selling Hatton and Cotto a bit short here.
A fight with Tszyu didnt pan out so what?Everyone has a fighter that they could have fought. Unify the 147lb class for what??He beat Baldo who was the top ranked Welter.He has hinted that he will fight Hatton after Oscar...but answer this...Who has Hatton beaten????90% of the names on his resume are nobodies.He hasnt looked looked impressive in his last 2 fights....and he is out of
shape...and he deserves a shot??????
Cotto has come close to getting knocked out twice...He wasnt impressive in the Malignaggi and Urkal fights,and once again what top ranked fighter has he beaten?
Mosley had 3 seperate occasions to fight Floyd and he decided to go another route.He had one good fight back....and now he deserves a shot??????
REALISTICALLY...is Hatton,Cotto,and MArgo gonna beat Floyd....NO.
I don't think they would beat Floyd either, I just want to see him prove himself against the best out there. These guys don't seem to lose very often now do they? Out of shape or nearly knocked out they still manage to win, that means they deserve a shot. Surely you can't deny Mosley a chance with his record over the last ten years? How does Judah get a chance again? Floyd will know all about the big time come May5th and he might not look so pretty after it's finished.
-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
IMO cleaning up at 147 means nothing...because other than Mosley...they arent impressive...period.
Floyd will more than likely fight Hatton an then call it quits.For those who say he is too greedy and that his ego is to big to retire...First of all you dont know him and second he has more than enough money to call it quits...and he has said that he will either commentate or focus on his record label.So until further notice...he plans to fight Hatton and hang em up.I doubt that there will be a DLH rematch(win lose or draw) because he has said that he will never do business with Golden Boy Promotions again.
Floyd is all talk. He talks a lot. He said a lot about Gatti, then said that it was all just talk and he respects him greatly. I wouldn't be surprised to see Mayweather get a stake in Golden Boy after this. He's a talker. He already called out Mosley at the press conference.
And to say cleaning up means nothing, sorry man I've been with you most of this thread but 147 is far from unimpressive. It's in as good of shape as it has been in a long time. Very deep.
Who is in the WW division???
Mosley is on the decline...he had one good fight back.
Cotto-Hasnt been impressive against Malignaggi and Urkal.He swings wide and takes a lot of head shots...the guy was on the verge of getting KO'd twice.
Hatton-Has looked terrible in his last few fights...he gased against collazo.His style wont get him far with people who can actually box.He also has a resume full of nobodies.
Williams-He hasnt beat anyone.He is another boxer who tries to keep pressure on his opponents and throw a ton of wide looping shots.
Margo-He has maybe 2 names on his resume
I stated FACTS....This is the division that is soo glamorous!??
Mosley would be the first guy ever in the ring with Floyd that could possibly be just as fast and have much more power then Mayweather while still being a smart fighter.
Hatton is the Ring Magazine number 10 P4P fighter, something Floyd hasn't faced in a long while.
Cotto is going in against Judah. If he does a number on Judah, someone you yourself thinks will beat Cotto, and someone who was Floyd's biggest fight past 135 aside from DLH. Not to mention he has one of the fastest growing fanbases in all of boxing.
Margarito and Williams are two guys who would have had to gone through each other by the time the face Floyd, and would have beat Cotto or Judah. Both are very big, possess high workrates and both can crack.
Mayweather, Cotto, Hatton and Mosley are all probably top 10 in terms of boxing's most recognizable stars. All the networks compete to get these guys, whether it be to fight or just in studio for an interview ect. Yet there is no glamour in that division?
Dude your on fire ;D :coolclick:
If it wasn't for your posts, id call this a horrible thread ::**
-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
IMO cleaning up at 147 means nothing...because other than Mosley...they arent impressive...period.
Floyd will more than likely fight Hatton an then call it quits.For those who say he is too greedy and that his ego is to big to retire...First of all you dont know him and second he has more than enough money to call it quits...and he has said that he will either commentate or focus on his record label.So until further notice...he plans to fight Hatton and hang em up.I doubt that there will be a DLH rematch(win lose or draw) because he has said that he will never do business with Golden Boy Promotions again.
Floyd is all talk. He talks a lot. He said a lot about Gatti, then said that it was all just talk and he respects him greatly. I wouldn't be surprised to see Mayweather get a stake in Golden Boy after this. He's a talker. He already called out Mosley at the press conference.
And to say cleaning up means nothing, sorry man I've been with you most of this thread but 147 is far from unimpressive. It's in as good of shape as it has been in a long time. Very deep.
Who is in the WW division???
Mosley is on the decline...he had one good fight back.
Cotto-Hasnt been impressive against Malignaggi and Urkal.He swings wide and takes a lot of head shots...the guy was on the verge of getting KO'd twice.
Hatton-Has looked terrible in his last few fights...he gased against collazo.His style wont get him far with people who can actually box.He also has a resume full of nobodies.
Williams-He hasnt beat anyone.He is another boxer who tries to keep pressure on his opponents and throw a ton of wide looping shots.
Margo-He has maybe 2 names on his resume
I stated FACTS....This is the division that is soo glamorous!??
The fact that you just mentioned four very recognizable names (I'm not counting Hatton because IMO he is not a WW yet) is enough for you to see that the division is deep. And you also forgot another current champ in Kermit Cintron. Please, what other wheit class could you actually mention more than three or four names that actually mattered??
And there are other names, maybe not so impressive, but good names still. Clotey gave Margo all that he could handle and is an exciting fighter. And another up and coming prospect in Andre Berto. I can't wait to see what this kidd can do in 1 or 2 years. This division is not only hot, it is getting hotter.
-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
Whenever someone states that 147 isn't a deep division, the question I always ask is "If 147 isn't deep, then which division is deeper?"
The only division that is possibly deeper is 130, and even that may be short-lived, since both Morales and Barrera are near the end of the line (and if Morales comes back, it will be at 135.)
People can argue all day that 147 isn't deep, but unless they can prove to me that there are better divisions out there, I don't put too much stock in their claims.
-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
Since when does a fighters fan base define if he is good or not?
I think that the middleweight division is the deepest...just look at it.
You cant compare Williams,Cotto,Margo to guys like Taylor,Abraham,Ouma,Wright.Someone said that the networks compete for Hatton,Cotto,Mosley...lol..What networks are these??Hatton still isnt a big draw over here...and Mosley never got a new contract with HBO.
Someone mentioned that Hatton,Cotto,,Margo,and Williams dont seem to lose much...Who have they fought that was impressive?????
-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
let me just end this shit now. when your on top there is no where to go but down. no matter who PBF fight people/haters will try to take away from his record. the same people on here saying oscar is gonna beat PBF will be the same people after the fight saying that PBF beat a shot oscar.
these are the same mofos talkin about gatti would beat PBF but when ask why they couldn't give a legit reason.
-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
The question about Floyds record, will always provide the same arguments.
Who should he have fought?
The names that he missed were:
Kostya Tszyu at 140 around 2002-2003
Ricky Hatton at 140 around 2005-2006
and
Antonio Margarito at 147 in 2006.
Let me know if I missed any......................
If PBF would have beat any of those guys, would that cancel the argument about his weak competition? I highly doubt it.
-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
The question about Floyds record, will always provide the same arguments.
Who should he have fought?
The names that he missed were:
Kostya Tszyu at 140 around 2002-2003
Ricky Hatton at 140 around 2005-2006
and
Antonio Margarito at 147 in 2006.
Let me know if I missed any......................
If PBF would have beat any of those guys, would that cancel the argument about his weak competition? I highly doubt it.
Regardless of whatever reason,those fights were not made.But hypothetically speaking,if they were,and Floyd won,how can anyone have said anything? Margarito has been unbeaten at ww since 96? Ring umber 2 and ESPN number 2? Hatton/Tszyu,RING number 1 at 140? A legend and an unbeaten fighter? If anyone said that those fights would not have boosted his, at best, decemt resume,then I wholeheartedly disagree and they do not know what they are talking about. But i HIGHLY doubt anyone would have said that.
-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
The question about Floyds record, will always provide the same arguments.
Who should he have fought?
The names that he missed were:
Kostya Tszyu at 140 around 2002-2003
Ricky Hatton at 140 around 2005-2006
and
Antonio Margarito at 147 in 2006.
Let me know if I missed any......................
If PBF would have beat any of those guys, would that cancel the argument about his weak competition? I highly doubt it.
Regardless of whatever reason,those fights were not made.But hypothetically speaking,if they were,and Floyd won,how can anyone have said anything? Margarito has been unbeaten at ww since 96? Ring umber 2 and ESPN number 2? Hatton/Tszyu,RING number 1 at 140? A legend and an unbeaten fighter? If anyone said that those fights would not have boosted his, at best, decemt resume,then I wholeheartedly disagree and they do not know what they are talking about. But i HIGHLY doubt anyone would have said that.
Point is, that there would be a counter-argument made against any of those three, given the time that he would have beat them.
Arguments would have been as follows
Kostya Tzsyu - He's past his prime (at the time he was 33), prime for prime KT would have destroyed him.
Ricky Hatton - It was an off-night, or a robbery.
Antonio Margarito - He was overrated to begin with.
I promise you a majority would not give PBF the credit he is lacking by beating any of those fighters.
-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
I can see some silly fans not giving him respect but I disagree,I think us true hardcore fans would give him his dues. However,he did not fight them,he fought far far weaker competition therefore it's a moot point bro.
-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
Those same hardcore fans who gave Calzaghe respect after he dismantled Lacy?
Not having a dig, but people are fickle and it's hard to tell what they'll say after the event.
All I know is this; Hatton is excellent and Cotto is excellent. Anybody who beats either of them will get bucketloads of respect regardless of how they win. Would either of these two improve Mayweather's legacy? Undoubtedly yes. If Baldomir and Judah are good wins for Mayweather, explain how either of these two fights are not worth him taking if he already believes he can win them?
-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
The question about Floyds record, will always provide the same arguments.
Who should he have fought?
The names that he missed were:
Kostya Tszyu at 140 around 2002-2003
Ricky Hatton at 140 around 2005-2006
and
Antonio Margarito at 147 in 2006.
Let me know if I missed any......................
If PBF would have beat any of those guys, would that cancel the argument about his weak competition? I highly doubt it.
Regardless of whatever reason,those fights were not made.But hypothetically speaking,if they were,and Floyd won,how can anyone have said anything? Margarito has been unbeaten at ww since 96? Ring umber 2 and ESPN number 2? Hatton/Tszyu,RING number 1 at 140? A legend and an unbeaten fighter? If anyone said that those fights would not have boosted his, at best, decemt resume,then I wholeheartedly disagree and they do not know what they are talking about. But i HIGHLY doubt anyone would have said that.
Point is, that there would be a counter-argument made against any of those three, given the time that he would have beat them.
Arguments would have been as follows
Kostya Tzsyu - He's past his prime (at the time he was 33), prime for prime KT would have destroyed him.
Ricky Hatton - It was an off-night, or a robbery.
Antonio Margarito - He was overrated to begin with.
I promise you a majority would not give PBF the credit he is lacking by beating any of those fighters.
Exactly...It seems like the majority of the Floyd bashers are either forum experts,hate him,or he beat one of their favorite fighters.Ali,Hagler,Tyson,and Roy jones jr all have been quoted as saying that they dont see anyone beating Mayweather.Arum even thought the same thing up until Floyd bought out of his contract an then Arum started his bashing campaign.Sugar Ray Leonard even said that Oscar was no match up until Floyd said that he was better than him...and then he jumped ship.
-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
Quote:
Originally Posted by hackey100
Those same hardcore fans who gave Calzaghe respect after he dismantled Lacy?
Not having a dig, but people are fickle and it's hard to tell what they'll say after the event.
All I know is this; Hatton is excellent and Cotto is excellent. Anybody who beats either of them will get bucketloads of respect regardless of how they win. Would either of these two improve Mayweather's legacy? Undoubtedly yes. If Baldomir and Judah are good wins for Mayweather, explain how either of these two fights are not worth him taking if he already believes he can win them?
Floyd believes that he can beat Cory Spinks...so does that mean he has to fight him?
Hatton and Cotto are excellent????????Just watch their last 3 fights
-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
Quote:
Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'
let me just end this S*** now. when your on top there is no where to go but down. no matter who PBF fight people/haters will try to take away from his record. the same people on here saying oscar is gonna beat PBF will be the same people after the fight saying that PBF beat a shot oscar.
these are the same mofos talkin about gatti would beat PBF but when ask why they couldn't give a legit reason.
Some people thaought Gatti would beat Floyd??? :rotflmao:
Well like I said originally, his reccord (and the names in it) is really good and respectfull. But I would say he is not All Time Great just yet. A win over Oscar and/or unifying the WW division will do this.
-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
Quote:
Originally Posted by hackey100
Those same hardcore fans who gave Calzaghe respect after he dismantled Lacy?
Not having a dig, but people are fickle and it's hard to tell what they'll say after the event.
All I know is this; Hatton is excellent and Cotto is excellent. Anybody who beats either of them will get bucketloads of respect regardless of how they win. Would either of these two improve Mayweather's legacy? Undoubtedly yes. If Baldomir and Judah are good wins for Mayweather, explain how either of these two fights are not worth him taking if he already believes he can win them?
Floyd believes that he can beat Cory Spinks...so does that mean he has to fight him?
Hatton and Cotto are excellent????????Just watch their last 3 fights
What about Cotto's last 3 fights was there not to like?
Made his exit from 140. Beat undefeated Paulie Malignaggi who no one else was able to hit in the past.
Cotto broke this boy up in 4 and in the process broke his left hand in the 5th.
Still won and Malignaggi looked like he had been in a car accident when the fight was over. :o
http://static.flickr.com/82/217365002_2c2d002454.jpg
No one had ever touched this kid up.
Moved up to 147 and destroyed undefeated Carlos Quintana in 5.
Beat Urkal from pole to pole and suffered a cut in the process.
Endured the cut and the head butts and the Urkal Corner threw in the towel in 11th.
Was sick going into this fight and spent 10 days in the hospital.
You can say what you want about Hatton but don't talk about Cotto's performances because then you are just talking out the side of your neck and you are sounding kinda dumb in the process.
-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
The question about Floyds record, will always provide the same arguments.
Who should he have fought?
The names that he missed were:
Kostya Tszyu at 140 around 2002-2003
Ricky Hatton at 140 around 2005-2006
and
Antonio Margarito at 147 in 2006.
Let me know if I missed any......................
If PBF would have beat any of those guys, would that cancel the argument about his weak competition? I highly doubt it.
i doubt it too
if had of fought kostya and won people would of said kostya was old.
if he had of fought hatton. people would have said hatton was overrated and untested. the same for margarito.
lets evaluate kostya hatton or margarito record. matter fact you could challenge any top fighters record.
-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
man everybody knew paulie was overrated. largely overrated by himself and his own ego.
-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny_G
Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
Quote:
Originally Posted by hackey100
Those same hardcore fans who gave Calzaghe respect after he dismantled Lacy?
Not having a dig, but people are fickle and it's hard to tell what they'll say after the event.
All I know is this; Hatton is excellent and Cotto is excellent. Anybody who beats either of them will get bucketloads of respect regardless of how they win. Would either of these two improve Mayweather's legacy? Undoubtedly yes. If Baldomir and Judah are good wins for Mayweather, explain how either of these two fights are not worth him taking if he already believes he can win them?
Floyd believes that he can beat Cory Spinks...so does that mean he has to fight him?
Hatton and Cotto are excellent????????Just watch their last 3 fights
What about Cotto's last 3 fights was there not to like?
Made his exit from 140. Beat undefeated Paulie Malignaggi who no one else was able to hit in the past.
Cotto broke this boy up in 4 and in the process broke his left hand in the 5th.
Still won and Malignaggi looked like he had been in a car accident when the fight was over. :o
http://static.flickr.com/82/217365002_2c2d002454.jpg
No one had ever touched this kid up.
Moved up to 147 and destroyed undefeated Carlos Quintana in 5.
Beat Urkal from pole to pole and suffered a cut in the process.
Endured the cut and the head butts and the Urkal Corner threw in the towel in 11th.
Was sick going into this fight and spent 10 days in the hospital.
You can say what you want about Hatton but don't talk about Cotto's performances because then you are just talking out the side of your neck and you are sounding kinda dumb in the process.
He beat Paulie...who is paulie?he was undefeated but thats not saying much these days.example Allan green beat Jaidon and Ravelo who both were undefeated...and then Allan ran into Miranda.
Cotto got rocked in the 9th round...he looked sloppy...and his so called "body punches" did nothing.What was impressive about that fight???Malignaggi's face?Look at Gatti's face after the Floyd fight?Dont try to hype Malignaggi b/c he was overrated.
I didnt see the Quintana fight...
He didnt beat Urkal pole to pole.He thought he was gonna knock him out with body shots and it didnt happen.This was his whole game plan.Him being "sick" is just an excuse.FYI Urkals corner threw in the towel because they thought that the ref wasnt being fair....NOT because of Cotto's punches.
-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
I for one looking at that picture of Malignaggi am outraged........... Beating up on a woman like that is distasteful and inexcusable....
Cotto should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law ;D
-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny_G
Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
Quote:
Originally Posted by hackey100
Those same hardcore fans who gave Calzaghe respect after he dismantled Lacy?
Not having a dig, but people are fickle and it's hard to tell what they'll say after the event.
All I know is this; Hatton is excellent and Cotto is excellent. Anybody who beats either of them will get bucketloads of respect regardless of how they win. Would either of these two improve Mayweather's legacy? Undoubtedly yes. If Baldomir and Judah are good wins for Mayweather, explain how either of these two fights are not worth him taking if he already believes he can win them?
Floyd believes that he can beat Cory Spinks...so does that mean he has to fight him?
Hatton and Cotto are excellent????????Just watch their last 3 fights
What about Cotto's last 3 fights was there not to like?
Made his exit from 140. Beat undefeated Paulie Malignaggi who no one else was able to hit in the past.
Cotto broke this boy up in 4 and in the process broke his left hand in the 5th.
Still won and Malignaggi looked like he had been in a car accident when the fight was over. :o
http://static.flickr.com/82/217365002_2c2d002454.jpg
No one had ever touched this kid up.
Moved up to 147 and destroyed undefeated Carlos Quintana in 5.
Beat Urkal from pole to pole and suffered a cut in the process.
Endured the cut and the head butts and the Urkal Corner threw in the towel in 11th.
Was sick going into this fight and spent 10 days in the hospital.
You can say what you want about Hatton but don't talk about Cotto's performances because then you are just talking out the side of your neck and you are sounding kinda dumb in the process.
He beat Paulie...who is paulie?he was undefeated but thats not saying much these days.example Allan green beat Jaidon and Ravelo who both were undefeated...and then Allan ran into Miranda.
Cotto got rocked in the 9th round...he looked sloppy...and his so called "body punches" did nothing.What was impressive about that fight???Malignaggi's face?Look at Gatti's face after the Floyd fight?Dont try to hype Malignaggi b/c he was overrated.
I didnt see the Quintana fight...
He didnt beat Urkal pole to pole.He thought he was gonna knock him out with body shots and it didnt happen.This was his whole game plan.Him being "sick" is just an excuse.FYI Urkals corner threw in the towel because they thought that the ref wasnt being fair....NOT because of Cotto's punches.
Allen Green is garbage. Paulie will be a champ one day wether we like it or not.
Please show me this ghost footage of Cotto getting rocked in the 9th because you are the only one who claims this happend. Stop bulshieting and post the clip.
To lame to find the clip? Or are you just making the shiet up as you go?
I can hit Gatti with hot butterd popcorn from the stands and he will get cut. Shut the hell up with that crap. Gatti is old and has more scar tissue on his face than Brittney Spears has on her stomach.
I am not hyping Malignaggi. You are. You said he rocked cotto blah blah blah.
It was not me here on this forum ever saying Paulie was great. But you should have seen all of his fan boys saying Cotto would never hit him.
If PBF put a dent in Gatti's face, Cotto would make gatti look 10 times worse.
You did not see the Quintana fight? Then why the PHUK did you mention Cottos last 3 fights if you your self missed one? Stupidity has no limit with you right?
You gonna tell me that Cotto did not hit Urkal up and down that ring? Are you stupid or just blind? Do you need me to make you a clip? I will and I will make look stupid again just like I do when ever I make a clip with proof. Now sit the hell down. Your husband PBF dont go around knocking everyone out either. So what is your point? Cotto is not a knock out artist but he tries. Unlike your husband Floyd who ran from Baldi all night. So bad that people booed his azz and left. Put that in floyds jock-strap and smoke it.
The ref did his job. Don't blame the ref.
If your boyfriend Floyd would have been getting head butted that way you would have been in tears. I know you cried like a little woman when Judah hit Floyd in the vagina.
Shut the hell up!
Seriously.
You talk so much papas.
-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
Allan Green is garbage because he has one lost?WTF are you smoking?
IF you go back and look at the 9th round...Cotto clearly was stunned...Unlike you I dont live on a forum...so therefore I'll let you go back and check it out(9th round!!)
You can hit Gatti???...Once again a sh*t talker who has never boxed a day in your life...and now your an expert on a forum.
No matter what you say Gatti is still a pretty good fighter.
If Cotto hits so hard...What did Urkals face look like????Oh I forgot his eyes were swelling and his heart almost exploded from those thundering Cotto shots.GET REAL.Everytime you speak you have Floyds balls in your mouth...you comment more on Floyd than you do Cotto!How did you prove your point?Ask any real boxer to take a look at that fight.
Tip:Spend less time online posting about how Floyd sucks...and more time at the gym...maybe you'll grow up to be somebody!
-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
Ok time for some KillerSheep's nerd stats
ODLH Opposition
1,592 combined fights.
1,444 Wins (90.7%)
105 Losses (6.5%)
43 Draws (2.8%)
PBF Opposition
1,138 combined fights
930 Wins (81.7%)
174 Losses (15.6%)
43 Draws (3.7%)
-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
Allan Green is garbage because he has one lost?WTF are you smoking?
One lost? You mean one loss?
Yes he lost and I never thought he was championship material. Do you? Or did you?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
IF you go back and look at the 9th round...Cotto clearly was stunned...Unlike you I dont live on a forum...so therefore I'll let you go back and check it out(9th round!!)
You said stunned, the announcer said rocked.
Cotto got tagged and it sent him backwards and he sort of lost his balance.
It can happen to anyone who does not respect another fighters punch.
You talk about knowing boxing and being in the gym and in the ring?
Then you would know this.
It looks like you are the one who has never been in the ring if you dont know this.
There was no queer street. You blame Cotto for going after a soft hitter?
The man who's balls you lick on, Floyd Mayweather Jr. ran from the soft hitter Baldo.
Cotto did not run from Paulie. Give credit to Cotto for trying to knock out the kid
with a broken hand.
Floyd ran and ran and ran and the people ran with his azz. How?
They ran the phuk out the building saying Floyd is a piece of shiet for not trying
to finish Baldo.
They BOOOOOOOEEDDDDD!
Your lover boy got boooed and it drove him and you to tears.
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
You can hit Gatti???...Once again a sh*t talker who has never boxed a day in your life...and now your an expert on a forum.
Yes I and any one else can hit gatti with some popcorn and cut Gatti's face.
You make it sound like Gatti has no scar tissue. Everyone knows his condition.
I boxed more than a day in my life son.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
No matter what you say Gatti is still a pretty good fighter.
There you go! Now you said it.
Pretty good.
You run around here saying Floyd only fights and beats the best?
HELLO!?
Pretty good and the best are not in the same category.
Your boyfriend has never faught the best of nothing.
1 person he faught that was the best and that was Corrales.
And it turned out that Corrales was not all that good after all. Another Kelly Pavlik.
Put that in your Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
If Cotto hits so hard...What did Urkals face look like????Oh I forgot his eyes were swelling and his heart almost exploded from those thundering Cotto shots.[/b].
If Floyd hit's so hard? Why didn't he destroy Sosa?
Did you see Sosa's face?
After 3 rounds with Cotto?
Sosa went 12 rounds with your boyfriend and gave your boyfriend a nice fight.
Again. Cotto was hitting Urkal with everything and the fool would not break.
He is tough. Tougher than anyone Floyd has faught. Put that in your Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
GET REAL.Everytime you speak you have Floyds balls in your mouth...you comment more on Floyd than you do Cotto!How did you prove your point?Ask any real boxer to take a look at that fight.
If I have floyds balls in my mouth, then you my friend have his entire c0ck down your
throat!
I will post highlights of the Cotto/Urkal fight. Some one asked me why I have not done so?
Cotto hit this fool so much per round and they wanted to see but I did not have the time
to cut the video because I have already seen the pounding and I know the work I will have to do. But to shut your arse up, I will.
Ask any real boxer? A 2 year old can see the whooping Cotto gave Urkal.
No need to ask so called real boxers. You don't even know any real boxers. Sit the phuk down.
Do you have any fighters phone #rs? we can call right now?
I do.
We can call the insane Vinny Pazienza any time you like.
For starters that is.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
Tip:Spend less time online posting about how Floyd sucks...and more time at the gym...maybe you'll grow up to be somebody!
I don't remember hiring you as my time management coach. You spend just as much time on here as me. Sit the hell down. and STFU!
Floyd does suck cus he don't fight the best. He only fights pretty good.
Your WORDS NOT MINE! Thank you for coming clean. Put that in your Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...BS thread!
:-*
BTW. I am somebody. I am your daddy.
;D
-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny_G
Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
Quote:
Originally Posted by hackey100
Those same hardcore fans who gave Calzaghe respect after he dismantled Lacy?
Not having a dig, but people are fickle and it's hard to tell what they'll say after the event.
All I know is this; Hatton is excellent and Cotto is excellent. Anybody who beats either of them will get bucketloads of respect regardless of how they win. Would either of these two improve Mayweather's legacy? Undoubtedly yes. If Baldomir and Judah are good wins for Mayweather, explain how either of these two fights are not worth him taking if he already believes he can win them?
Floyd believes that he can beat Cory Spinks...so does that mean he has to fight him?
Hatton and Cotto are excellent????????Just watch their last 3 fights
What about Cotto's last 3 fights was there not to like?
Made his exit from 140. Beat undefeated Paulie Malignaggi who no one else was able to hit in the past.
Cotto broke this boy up in 4 and in the process broke his left hand in the 5th.
Still won and Malignaggi looked like he had been in a car accident when the fight was over. :o
http://static.flickr.com/82/217365002_2c2d002454.jpg
No one had ever touched this kid up.
Moved up to 147 and destroyed undefeated Carlos Quintana in 5.
Beat Urkal from pole to pole and suffered a cut in the process.
Endured the cut and the head butts and the Urkal Corner threw in the towel in 11th.
Was sick going into this fight and spent 10 days in the hospital.
You can say what you want about Hatton but don't talk about Cotto's performances because then you are just talking out the side of your neck and you are sounding kinda dumb in the process.
He beat Paulie...who is paulie?he was undefeated but thats not saying much these days.example Allan green beat Jaidon and Ravelo who both were undefeated...and then Allan ran into Miranda.
Cotto got rocked in the 9th round...he looked sloppy...and his so called "body punches" did nothing.What was impressive about that fight???Malignaggi's face?Look at Gatti's face after the Floyd fight?Dont try to hype Malignaggi b/c he was overrated.
I didnt see the Quintana fight...
He didnt beat Urkal pole to pole.He thought he was gonna knock him out with body shots and it didnt happen.This was his whole game plan.Him being "sick" is just an excuse.FYI Urkals corner threw in the towel because they thought that the ref wasnt being fair....NOT because of Cotto's punches.
If you didn't see the Quintana fight, should you really be saying look at the last 3 fights? Because that was his best opponent and he looked VERY impressive beating him down. His "so called body punches" had Quintana bleeding from the mouth.
And yeah Cotto has got rocked a couple times, name me one fighter who hasn't? Floyd has been rocked, against Corley too. The fact is, he's picked himself up off the mat and won.
Honestly the whole thing is though, be honest, you truly believe that a win over Cotto, Hatton or Margarito does nothing? If you truly feel that way but I think that's just your way of defending Floyd to those who said he ducked them (which is something I don't believe in) but if he was fighting him next, I bet anything you would be defending Floyd's choice in opponents ;)
-
Re: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...
Please Olympian, tell me who is worthy to fight Mayweather if Hatton and Cotto are not? Mosley is the only real option unless he moves up to 160 :o Hatton has been off in his last two fights, but he has quality that few can match. Cotto has been impressive in his last fights, so I'm not sure what you've been watching?
I am not denying that Mayweather is better than them............on paper, but that is one thing, getting in the ring and beating the crap out of someone is how you win a fight. Saying you can do it ain't doing it!
The fact is, not fighting the best at your weight and claiming p4p kingship is not on, never mind claims to being an all time great.
