Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...

[Olympian904]

I hear a lot of people saying that his record is weak and that he hasnt fought nothing but bums and washed up fighters.I would like for someone to break it down for me while being unbiased and sticking to facts...then let me know what other welter has a better resume than him.

[babyboNe]

it consist of stand still fighters who he easily outbox due to them being so much slower.

honestly any record can get bash but since pbf has the top p4p ranking, he deserves the bashing. specially when he makes a fool of himself as our top p4p king, it was embarassing for him to stutter and say margarito doesn't deserve to fight him or someshyt like that, but then fights mitchell.

theres only two names in his record that i think are good, chico and castillo. and in the three fight pbf had with those two he went 2-1 because i believe he lost the first with castillo.

the chico fight pbf totally dominated, but chico through about 2 punches a round and was totally lost. chicos weak chin got whoop bad by pbf. that was a great fight for pbf.

after chico and castillo, pretty boy pretty much just kept moving up in weight picking weak champs to beat.

keep in mind he has reach the top p4p not due to him beating a great fighter that was in the top 20 p4p list he got to the top because roy and bhop lost, and by pbf having easy wins against b....u....m

[mike_tha_man]

i think Floyd has a pretty good record! There are a lot of Floyd haters out there.
I'm not a Floyd fan and i don't like what he stands for and what he brings to Boxing but i will give him respect where respect is due and he has fought some good fighters and managed to beat them all!!

he has names such as Baldomir, Gatti, Judah, Mitchell, Bruseles, Corley, N'dou, Castillo 2x, Chavez, Corrales, Hernandez, and Manfredy just to name a few notable names in the sport. Not all are great fighters but are pretty good fighters

and just for fun facts his opponent's combined records are as follow:

929W 176L 35D

not bad

[josef4334]

it consist of stand still fighters who he easily outbox due to them being so much slower.

honestly any record can get bash but since pbf has the top p4p ranking, he deserves the bashing. specially when he makes a fool of himself as our top p4p king, it was embarassing for him to stutter and say margarito doesn't deserve to fight him or someshyt like that, but then fights mitchell.

theres only two names in his record that i think are good, chico and castillo. and in the three fight pbf had with those two he went 2-1 because i believe he lost the first with castillo.

the chico fight pbf totally dominated, but chico through about 2 punches a round and was totally lost. chicos weak chin got whoop bad by pbf. that was a great fight for pbf.

after chico and castillo, pretty boy pretty much just kept moving up in weight picking weak champs to beat.

keep in mind he has reach the top p4p not due to him beating a great fighter that was in the top 20 p4p list he got to the top because roy and bhop lost, and by pbf having easy wins against b....u....m

nice and unbiased reply see.. thats how i like it man... no matter how much you root for a fighter... give the credit that a fighter deserves... we all know that except for castillo,corales and gatti, everybody he fought were bums.... and dont even include baldomir coz he never stood and fought baldo.. he ran and scratched like a little girl....

[SweetPea]

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[The Boxer]

his record is as good if not better than any other top fighter in the game right now. no fighter fights a top name fighter every fight.

accecpt barrera morales and pac and that because they fight each other every fight.

[Swashbuckling Gordy]

Here's an unbiased view .

Pick one HOT FIGHTER from this lot .

Carlos Baldomir . Decent fighter but a beltholder not a champion exposed at the top level . 12 Losses

Zab Judah , well and truly exposed at the top level . Another fight in which the supposed best fighter in the world SHOWED OUT . coming off a loss .

Sharmba Mittchell , simply washed up destroyed in 3 rounds by Kostya Tszyu and had 1 fight at Welterweight. Knocked out before and after the Floyd fight .

Arturo Gatti , good fighter but completely exposed at the top level a fighter described by Mayweather himself as a C CLASS FIGHTER .

Henry Bruseles, a fighter who in his previous fight had drawn with Ener Julio the same Ener Julio who lost to Jawiad Khaliq

DeMarcus Corley , typical Mayweather fighting another fighter coming off a loss, Corley rocks Mayweather badly against the ropes . Corley since destroyed by Cotto and outbored by Junior Witter

Philip N'dou, a fighter knocked out by Anthony Cambell in 3 rounds and who had prepared for Mayweather by fighting Alex Moon.

Victoriano Sosa , a fight in which Mayweather avoided punches by getting on his bike and almost legging it out the ring . Sosa was then destroyed by Cotto in 4 . A fighter who had lost to Paul Spadofora and prepared for Mayweather with a fight against somebody with an 19-19 record managed a draw against an ancient Lamar Murphy

Jose Luis Castillio 1and2 , these 2 fights exposed Mayweather for what he is a fighter who shows out complains alot when things dont go his own way !! Mayweather won the fight by skating round the ring whilst JCC pursed . Unfortunately JCC didnt have the speed of foot to keep up .

Jesus Chavez , good fighter but slow taylor made for him no real power slow feet and easy to hit .

Carlos Hernandez , busy tough and strong but not world class . Slow easy to hit

[SweetPea]

Here's an unbiased view .

Pick one HOT FIGHTER from this lot .

Carlos Baldomir . Decent fighter but a beltholder not a champion exposed at the top level . 12 Losses

Zab Judah , well and truly exposed at the top level . Another fight in which the supposed best fighter in the world SHOWED OUT . coming off a loss .

Sharmba Mittchell , simply washed up destroyed in 3 rounds by Kostya Tszyu and had 1 fight at Welterweight. Knocked out before and after the Floyd fight .

Arturo Gatti , good fighter but completely exposed at the top level a fighter described by Mayweather himself as a C CLASS FIGHTER .

Henry Bruseles, a fighter who in his previous fight had drawn with Ener Julio the same Ener Julio who lost to Jawiad Khaliq

DeMarcus Corley , typical Mayweather fighting another fighter coming off a loss, Corley rocks Mayweather badly against the ropes . Corley since destroyed by Cotto and outbored by Junior Witter

Philip N'dou, a fighter knocked out by Anthony Cambell in 3 rounds and who had prepared for Mayweather by fighting Alex Moon.

Victoriano Sosa , a fight in which Mayweather avoided punches by getting on his bike and almost legging it out the ring . Sosa was then destroyed by Cotto in 4 . A fighter who had lost to Paul Spadofora and prepared for Mayweather with a fight against somebody with an 19-19 record managed a draw against an ancient Lamar Murphy

Jose Luis Castillio 1and2 , these 2 fights exposed Mayweather for what he is a fighter who shows out complains alot when things dont go his own way !! Mayweather won the fight by skating round the ring whilst JCC pursed . Unfortunately JCC didnt have the speed of foot to keep up .

Jesus Chavez , good fighter but slow taylor made for him no real power slow feet and easy to hit .

Carlos Hernandez , busy tough and strong but not world class . Slow easy to hit

It's not fair to claim that Mayweather was "rocked badly" by Corley, and then say that Corley "was destroyed by Cotto" without even mentioning that Cotto was badly hurt by Corley and was almost out on his feet.

As for the claims that Mayweather won by "getting on his bike" or "skating around the ring", that's not why he won, he won because he outboxed them. There's nothing in the rule book as far as I know that says that a fighter needs to stand flatfooted in front of his opponent and trade bombs. Fighters with handspeed and footspeed have been winning fights with their movement for decades. Do you think Willie Pep stood in front of his opponents, or do you think he was constantly on the move and getting out of harm's way?
Mayweather clearly beat Castillo in the second fight, he outboxed him and outworked him. Plain and simple.

Also, the point of your post seems to be that Floyd always fights guys who are on a losing streak or who aren't "hot." Yet by coincidence (or not), you stop your list without mentioning the Corrales fight. Corrales was 33-0, was one of the hottest fighters in the sport, was viewed by many experts as Top 10 PFP at the time, and was picked by many experts to KO Floyd.

This doesn't seem like a very unbiased post to me.

[eagle]

Look i dont like pbf at all. His antics and comments oout of the ring really piss me off. But to say his record is any weaker than some of the other p4p fighters is horse shat. In fact only the top fighters at 130 have really fought tougher opposition.
Lets look at his other main competitors for p4p number1 and compare.
Winky wright is widely regarded as a top 2 p4p yet his record has weaknesses.
His greatest wins are against fighters who are blown up welters such as mosley and trinidad, he drew with Jermaine Taylor who is not rated at all on this site and has lost to vargas(altho controversial). He also had a relatively close fight against sam soliman who got destroyed by anthony mundine.
I say this record is no greater than pbf's.

Jermaine Taylor: Two controersial wins against 40+ bernard hopkins, and a draw against smaller winky wright are his only bouts of real note.

Ricky Hatton: GGood win over Kostya, but then backs it up with Maussa? Collazo? Urango?

My point is unless its 130 aand fighters like pac mab jmm or morales no top guys fight each other consistently. No more than pbf anyway.

[SigmaMu]

Paging Danny G...... report to this thread!!!!

Why am I being paged? We have gone over this with a fine tooth comb.
From what I reading, it looks like Diego Corrales is his biggest claim to fame. (not true) But if this is the case then so be it. I mean Floyd made Corrales look completely retarded in that fight. Was/is Floyd that damn good? I don't see why not, there was no one fighting for Floyd but Floyd. Or did Chico have a bad night due to all the distractions. It depends on who you ask and you will get a different answer for sure. There was never a rematch so I guess we have to leave it at Floyd is just that damn good. Forget the excuses. It has been written, this one is done and over with.
In Floyd's favor he has moved up and keeps winning. Where is he at now? 4/5 divisions from his natural weight? I am lucky if I can count the number of fighter's in one hand who can even move up 1 or 2 division and be succesfull let alone 4 or 5. He makes it look easy. On the other hand, the opposition has not been that great and I guess you just take what you can get. (It looks like calculating hand picking) No? Yes? Maybe?
If these old men (Gatti/Baldo) were holding belts at the time that Floyd came thru, then so be it. Luck of the fighter. But there is no doubt that the old lions are fading and the young lions are gonna be running the Welter Weight Division. This is where Floyd should test himself but rumors of retirement linger and I guess we shall never really know. I think Floyd's biggest problem is that he toots his own horn and that is what turns people off and that is where the hate comes from.
No doubt the kid is a HOFFER and something tells me he is not retiring. His legacy is not complete and he knows it. The kid is not a fool. He might be fooling some of you but he can not fool himself because to do so would mean that he is really a fool and he is no fool when it comes to boxing.

Another thing that turns people off is that he does not engage when he should and could and knock these bums out. That is my beef. Is he being smart by not listening to the public? I guess so. I can't blame anyone for trying to keep their record with out blemish. He does what he does his way and it has worked perfectly. Being wreckless and risky can cost you in this sport. No need trying to fix something that is not broke this late in his career.

He should stick around at least another year or two before retiring. 33 is a good time to hang them up for almost anyone in their right mind. If he does retire, he will be back for the big money fights like Oscar has. Trust me. The weasle knows what he is doing. Me thinks

Cotto will be waiting for you weasel. He will stay busy and continue to win until you come back Hurry home, you heard!

Floyd did what many would kill to do today and that is fight De La Hoya.

Smart little weasel played a great game of chess. Brilliant, Masterful, Bravo.

CaChing$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I could be here all night but I hate writing so this is my condensed version of my little thoughts.

Nite nite

[Swashbuckling Gordy]

Here's an unbiased view .

Pick one HOT FIGHTER from this lot .

Carlos Baldomir . Decent fighter but a beltholder not a champion exposed at the top level . 12 Losses

Zab Judah , well and truly exposed at the top level . Another fight in which the supposed best fighter in the world SHOWED OUT . coming off a loss .

Sharmba Mittchell , simply washed up destroyed in 3 rounds by Kostya Tszyu and had 1 fight at Welterweight. Knocked out before and after the Floyd fight .

Arturo Gatti , good fighter but completely exposed at the top level a fighter described by Mayweather himself as a C CLASS FIGHTER .

Henry Bruseles, a fighter who in his previous fight had drawn with Ener Julio the same Ener Julio who lost to Jawiad Khaliq

DeMarcus Corley , typical Mayweather fighting another fighter coming off a loss, Corley rocks Mayweather badly against the ropes . Corley since destroyed by Cotto and outbored by Junior Witter

Philip N'dou, a fighter knocked out by Anthony Cambell in 3 rounds and who had prepared for Mayweather by fighting Alex Moon.

Victoriano Sosa , a fight in which Mayweather avoided punches by getting on his bike and almost legging it out the ring . Sosa was then destroyed by Cotto in 4 . A fighter who had lost to Paul Spadofora and prepared for Mayweather with a fight against somebody with an 19-19 record managed a draw against an ancient Lamar Murphy

Jose Luis Castillio 1and2 , these 2 fights exposed Mayweather for what he is a fighter who shows out complains alot when things dont go his own way !! Mayweather won the fight by skating round the ring whilst JCC pursed . Unfortunately JCC didnt have the speed of foot to keep up .

Jesus Chavez , good fighter but slow taylor made for him no real power slow feet and easy to hit .

Carlos Hernandez , busy tough and strong but not world class . Slow easy to hit

It's not fair to claim that Mayweather was "rocked badly" by Corley, and then say that Corley "was destroyed by Cotto" without even mentioning that Cotto was badly hurt by Corley and was almost out on his feet.

As for the claims that Mayweather won by "getting on his bike" or "skating around the ring", that's not why he won, he won because he outboxed them. There's nothing in the rule book as far as I know that says that a fighter needs to stand flatfooted in front of his opponent and trade bombs. Fighters with handspeed and footspeed have been winning fights with their movement for decades. Do you think Willie Pep stood in front of his opponents, or do you think he was constantly on the move and getting out of harm's way?
Mayweather clearly beat Castillo in the second fight, he outboxed him and outworked him. Plain and simple.

Also, the point of your post seems to be that Floyd always fights guys who are on a losing streak or who aren't "hot." Yet by coincidence (or not), you stop your list without mentioning the Corrales fight. Corrales was 33-0, was one of the hottest fighters in the sport, was viewed by many experts as Top 10 PFP at the time, and was picked by many experts to KO Floyd.

This doesn't seem like a very unbiased post to me.

Thank you sweet Pea well put .


But the thread was about Mayweather .

I was going to mention Corrales but i limited it to the last 12 fights and besides the Corrales fight was what 7 years ago and Corrales has been stopped twice since then .

All im asking is for my fellow Posters to pick one decent fighter whom Floyd has fought from that list !!


I dont want my post to be nickpicked i just want a simple answer .

Lets face it Mayweather has ALWAYS TAKEN THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE .

Corrales was a spent force completely fucked at the weight and had genuine out the ring problems .

People criticise Hatton but Hatton has fought fighters coming of wins and on a roll .

Maussa had just knocked out WBA champ Vivian Harris .
Collazo was WBA Welter champ
Urango was a world champion and unbeaten .

Id rank all the above at the level of Baldomir difference is Ricky Hatton doesnt call himself Pound for Pound number 1 and he doesnt show out and complain about his hands .

Sweet Pea , how many times did Mayweather turn his head and complain to the ref in the JCC fight ?

Also if you want to go back even further against Carlos Grenea Mayweather took illiegal painkillers for his damaged hands.

[Olympian904]

Here's an unbiased view .

Pick one HOT FIGHTER from this lot .

Carlos Baldomir . Decent fighter but a beltholder not a champion exposed at the top level . 12 Losses

Zab Judah , well and truly exposed at the top level . Another fight in which the supposed best fighter in the world SHOWED OUT . coming off a loss .

Sharmba Mittchell , simply washed up destroyed in 3 rounds by Kostya Tszyu and had 1 fight at Welterweight. Knocked out before and after the Floyd fight .

Arturo Gatti , good fighter but completely exposed at the top level a fighter described by Mayweather himself as a C CLASS FIGHTER .

Henry Bruseles, a fighter who in his previous fight had drawn with Ener Julio the same Ener Julio who lost to Jawiad Khaliq

DeMarcus Corley , typical Mayweather fighting another fighter coming off a loss, Corley rocks Mayweather badly against the ropes . Corley since destroyed by Cotto and outbored by Junior Witter

Philip N'dou, a fighter knocked out by Anthony Cambell in 3 rounds and who had prepared for Mayweather by fighting Alex Moon.

Victoriano Sosa , a fight in which Mayweather avoided punches by getting on his bike and almost legging it out the ring . Sosa was then destroyed by Cotto in 4 . A fighter who had lost to Paul Spadofora and prepared for Mayweather with a fight against somebody with an 19-19 record managed a draw against an ancient Lamar Murphy

Jose Luis Castillio 1and2 , these 2 fights exposed Mayweather for what he is a fighter who shows out complains alot when things dont go his own way !! Mayweather won the fight by skating round the ring whilst JCC pursed . Unfortunately JCC didnt have the speed of foot to keep up .

Jesus Chavez , good fighter but slow taylor made for him no real power slow feet and easy to hit .

Carlos Hernandez , busy tough and strong but not world class . Slow easy to hit

It's not fair to claim that Mayweather was "rocked badly" by Corley, and then say that Corley "was destroyed by Cotto" without even mentioning that Cotto was badly hurt by Corley and was almost out on his feet.

As for the claims that Mayweather won by "getting on his bike" or "skating around the ring", that's not why he won, he won because he outboxed them. There's nothing in the rule book as far as I know that says that a fighter needs to stand flatfooted in front of his opponent and trade bombs. Fighters with handspeed and footspeed have been winning fights with their movement for decades. Do you think Willie Pep stood in front of his opponents, or do you think he was constantly on the move and getting out of harm's way?
Mayweather clearly beat Castillo in the second fight, he outboxed him and outworked him. Plain and simple.

Also, the point of your post seems to be that Floyd always fights guys who are on a losing streak or who aren't "hot." Yet by coincidence (or not), you stop your list without mentioning the Corrales fight. Corrales was 33-0, was one of the hottest fighters in the sport, was viewed by many experts as Top 10 PFP at the time, and was picked by many experts to KO Floyd.

This doesn't seem like a very unbiased post to me.

Thank you sweet Pea well put .


But the thread was about Mayweather .

I was going to mention Corrales but i limited it to the last 12 fights and besides the Corrales fight was what 7 years ago and Corrales has been stopped twice since then .

All im asking is for my fellow Posters to pick one decent fighter whom Floyd has fought from that list !!


I dont want my post to be nickpicked i just want a simple answer .

Lets face it Mayweather has ALWAYS TAKEN THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE .

Corrales was a spent force completely fucked at the weight and had genuine out the ring problems .

People criticise Hatton but Hatton has fought fighters coming of wins and on a roll .

Maussa had just knocked out WBA champ Vivian Harris .
Collazo was WBA Welter champ
Urango was a world champion and unbeaten .

Id rank all the above at the level of Baldomir difference is Ricky Hatton doesnt call himself Pound for Pound number 1 and he doesnt show out and complain about his hands .

Sweet Pea , how many times did Mayweather turn his head and complain to the ref in the JCC fight ?

Also if you want to go back even further against Carlos Grenea Mayweather took illiegal painkillers for his damaged hands.

I dont see how its still a debate...look at all of the names mentioned above!You can say they were washed up...but thats just an excuse.
FYI-Hatton doesnt call himself p4p #1 because he CANT.I dont even think that he is top 10.
Name another fighter who has a better resume than Floyd??
Hattons resume is not even close to Floyds...90% of the names under his belt are unknowns.
I dont see how JCC,Gatti,Zab,Corley,Baldo,Corralles,Hernandez are considered just decent fighters...
You mention Collazo...who has he beat??
You mention Urango...who has he beat??

[Swashbuckling Gordy]

You're un fucking believable .

[Olympian904]

You're un F****** believable .

Who's resume is better than Floyds?
Dont even mention Urango...and Collazo...unless you tell me who they beat.

[Swashbuckling Gordy]

Olympian ive said all im gonna say in my previous post .

If i wanted to talk with a vegetable id go to ASDA or Sainsburys .