If shavers wasnt and Tua and Tyson and all these other names why hasnt anyone said anything about Morrision.
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If shavers wasnt and Tua and Tyson and all these other names why hasnt anyone said anything about Morrision.
No I'm thinking of Corey 'T-Rex' Sanders, the big fat black guy who KO'd Oleg Maskaev.Quote:
Originally Posted by gemini
I don't ever remember 'T-Rex' sparring with Wladimir, but I could be wrong.
I'm still saying Foreman, he was a BRUTAL puncher and the 68 KO's help him out
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We seem to have this thread at least once a month.
Was he the hardest puncher?
If you lined up all the great heavyweights in front of a heavy bag, had them throw their hardest punch, and measured the impact.... then no, I don't think Tyson would be the "hardest" puncher. I think fighters like Shavers and Foreman would measure higher.
Now, in an actual fight in the ring, punching is about more than just power, it's about speed, accuracy, and sharpness, as well as pure power. When you factor in all those things, then Tyson in his prime may have been the most dangerous or devestating puncher in the ring, although Foreman would have a legit argument.
I vote no.
Sugar Ray is likely the best ever boxer, but he was not a heavyweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by LuciferTheGreat
Hardest hitting heavyweight champion - George Foreman.
maybe but i rather say joe louis or marciano
Whoever ko'd the bigger men deserves the title of hardest puncher. If they ko'd smaller men then they should be ranked lower.
Ernie Shavers and George Foreman in a tie.
You only need to look at the 1st Frazier v Foreman fight to witness the most destructive punching power i have ever seen.
Somebody that doesnt get credit because of his speed is Ali,but if you watch his career,you could watch him decide he was bored with a fight,and end it on one punch.
Against both Foley and Williams he just went,"Im bored now" and the fight ended. He also hurt that part of his legacy by playing with his food,he could have ended Patterson at any moment,but Patterson had pissed him off so he stretched out the whupping.
I am going to agree with Lyle's statement of Tyson being the greatest combination puncher. With no pitty pat in anyone of his punches but I wouldn't rank Tyson the hardest puncher.
Another fighter who comes to mind is Gerry Cooney. George Foreman in his biography said "when he hit me with a left hook to the body it felt like I came out of my shoes".Another comment was from Joe Bugner who said "Frazier's left hook could really do damage but Cooney's left hook goes right through you".I'll give you one more when Jimmy Young was asked what was the hardest punch you've been hit with Jimmy replied "a left hook to the body by Gerry Cooney".
It's a toss up between Shavers and Foreman, but I'd go with Big George. If you can get Chuvalo hurt like Foreman did, you must hit damn hard.
Tyson's power came from the speed and accuracy and KO's from punches other fighter could not see. In terms of pure power Bruno should be up there.
I have to go with another power puncher from youngstown ohio from and say Ernie Shavers. Ali says he was the hardest so I would have to agree. Marciano , Foreman , Cooney and Baer as well can be tossed in .
Foreman is the hardest hitter in boxing history! Have u ever seen what he did to his punching bags, not to mention what he did to guys with steel chins!
He was 3rd for me behind Foreman and Shavers
No, I think Foreman, Shavers, and possibly Tua had more power.
I think Tyson had more power than Tua. Tua caught Lennox clean with his best shots. Tyson caught Lewis a couple of times but they were far from his best shots. If they had been he would have KO'd him IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Hard to judge, they both had sledgehammer fists. I always thought Tyson had the huge speed advantage, and Tua had a slight power advantage.
Holyfield fought Foreman Tyson and Lewis and said old Foreman hit him harder than anybody and since he was in the ring with them he would know. Various fighters who faced Tommy Morrison and Tyson stated Morrison hit harder punch for punch than Tyson. Tyson was skilled at knocked out bums and people paid by Don King to take a dive for him. Foreman was skilled at knocking out hall of famers like Ken Norton, George Chuvalo and Joe Frazier. Fighters like Shannon fearerd a old Foremans power and ran from him yet was willing to stand toe to toe with a prime Lennox Lewis
And for those who say Marciano was the hardest puncher, he wasnt a heavyweight and he never knocked out any 205 plus pound heavyweight with the expection of a 40 year old Joe Louis who was known for his poor chin.
Tyson was sort of like Cotto.
He COULD stop you cold with a single left hook. But he was known for not only his single hurting shots but he could hurt you with combinations. Tyson was a combination type of fighter and had great accuracy which is what made him deadly. So he may not have had one shot stop you cold power of a Foreman. But he could knock you out with a single shot it just wasnt the usual.
Foreman was great
Joe Louis, Marciano were great P4P
Vitali Klitschko has a record that speaks to his punching strength only 1 win coming by decision.....I don't care who you're fighting that's damned impressive!
Mike Tyson was pretty good but I would rank him ahead of Joe Frazier but behind Lennox Lewis
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We will have to take Ali's word on his Shavers assessment of power, to me Foreman's shocking destrcution of Smokin' Joe in the first fight is the most awesome display of punching power i have ever seen. Bare in mind Frazier was an undefeated Heavyweight Champion at the time, he was no Trevor Berbick.
It's Foreman for me.
Yes Foreman's punishment of Frazier was amazing but I think what is more amazing is that at age 45 he was still able to KO the heavyweight champion of the world. George Foreman's power carried from his debut in 1969 all the way to....hell I wouldn't want to take a punch from George today!!! What he did to Gerry Cooney scared Mike Tyson away from any match vs Big George.
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Mike Tyson's power was flashier than George's just because of his style and the fact that he threw combinations but there is no doubt that Foreman was the harder puncher.
Gotta agree, Tyson's power was just not on the same level as Foreman's. This is why I always find it funny when people say Tyson would have KO'd Ali. For me if you can stand up to power of Shavers and Foreman, you could take Tyson's punches. Tyson had great combinations though, and great power for his build. But in all honesty, I think Tyson might struggle against the Klitschkos, although I think he could just do it, so I can't see him beating prime versions of the best of the HW division
Tyson? not even close........
Before him you got George Foreman, Earnie Shavers, Jimmy Bivvins, Ron Lyle, Rocky Marciano, Rocky Marciano, and Rocky Marciano.
Jimmy Bivins a big puncher at heavyweight?
Tyson, Dempsey nor Louis hit harder then Lennox Lewis.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Scott
Look at the quality of Knockouts out the amount of them
they always say its the punch you don't see...I don't think Tyson was the hardest puncher, but the combination of power and hand speed was tremendous. I don't know if there has been another HW that put power and hand speed together better than Mike.
That left uppercut had a boat load of power. If that landed flush it may have taken his swede clean off!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
How awesome is the uppercut for the second knockdown (and knockout) just strolls up and BANG! class.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelThat left uppercut had a boat load of power. If that landed flush it may have taken his swede clean off!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Have to say Foreman, haven't seen many blokes lifted off their feet by a shot but Big George did it. Tyson was explosive and many were just caught in the headlights of fear.
Sonny Liston was also supposed to have hit hard in his day, reportedly went through several heavy bags a week when preparing for a fight.
Clubber Lang hit hard too tho' :rolleyes:
My opinion on order of punch power is:
1- Foreman
2- Shavers
3- Tyson
4- Liston
5- Joe Louis
If you are including Shavers then Bruno needs to be included.