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The question was not what what would Hagler do to him at LMW...especially since Hagler never fought at LMW....Norris may of had a suspect chin but so have a lot of ATG's..Quote:
Originally Posted by sexyboxer
Thomas Hearns, Lennox Lewis, to name a few...but no one would say they are not worthy of ATG status because of it
im not saying if they fought at light middle weight as any one knows that hagler only fought at middle weight , im saying terry norris was best at light middleweight not middleweight so therefore hagler is the best 154 pounderQuote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
154lbs is the light middleweight limit....So no Hagler is not the best 154lbr....You have a strong case for middleweight...160lbs
Norris, McCallum, Hearns, and Tito. I may give the nod to Norris because stayed in the division so long.
Wiz is right If Tery Norris was the best light middle then he would not have lost to Julian Jackson, nor Simon Brown or the guy he kept on getting disqualified too. He was very talented and a joy to watch but for consistancy it has to be McCallum who beat Julian Jackson, and for devastation it was Hearns and Tito.
I think its between Hearns and McCallum. I guess I'll go with Hearns, he was at his best there and wins over Benitez and Duran (especially the way he did it) are enough for me even though he didn't stay there that long.
Norris is one of my all time favorites but its just how you look at it, if you're looking for longevity than maybe him or Wink but Norris didn't have the same caliber of wins as Hearns.
Sort of off topic but how do these fighters match up? I think Hearns and McCallum both beat Norris. McCallum beats Winky, not even sure how Hearns-Winky would go, would probably favor Hearns. Some interesting matchups.
Norris beat some very good fighters at 154.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Meldrick Taylor
John Mugabi
Donald Curry
Sugar Ray Leonard
Buster Drayton
Maurice Blocker
Simon Brown
It depends on the way you see it, Hearns did have the better wins against Benitez, Duran, better than any wins Norris had. But Hearns wasn't at Jr Middleweight long and Norris overall beat a lot of solid opposition and longevity wise its no contest, but like i said it depends on how you look at it.
I agree with Ice.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
McCallum was
Sean Mannion
Luigi Minchillo 45-3 in Italy
David Braxton 33-1
Julian Jackson 29-0
Said Skouma 21-2 in France
Milton McCrory 31-1-1
Donald Curry 27-1
I think that Hearns and maybe Benitez are above Terry i mean his best win at the weight was shot SRl who was 35 and cutting weight to make 154 but who knows LM like CW just a stepping stone to better divisions. Not to many stay so it is very hard to even pick one.
I guess you can say Wright but I think Hearns and Benitez had better wins.
Like i said both Hearns and Benitez both had short success at Light Middleweight, and yes they both did have the single best wins aka Roberto Duran, but overall Norris did have better resume at Light Middleweight and beat a lot of good fighters, plus he also has longevity on his side as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
McCallum's record is better than Norris.
Hearns - McCallum - Julian Jackson - all ice Norris inside 4 rounds , so to answer your question NO NORRIS WASNT THE BEST 154 LB fighter , but he was exciting ,Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
Why do you say that ?? McCallums best wins at Jr Middleweight were Julian Jackson, Miltron McCrory, Donald Curry, his wins against Watson, Collins, Graham, etc. Were all above Jr Middleweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Yes i agree but resume wise i would say Norris is the best and that is what i thought this discussion was about, but if we are on about 1 on 1 match ups with the best Jr Middleweights of all time then no Norris isn't the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Yea Ice i agree , but also saying Hearn - Jackson etc had success at middle is a fair point , but also its fair to say Norris had the better resume but he was exclusive to LM.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
All in all he was a top fighter , but i would define best LM of all time ,as a guy who could beat any other champ present or past , and im afraid Terry Norris couldnt have done that in my opinion.
I wonder how good Tito would've been if he had stayed there.
If he had stayed it is very likely we would've seen Tito - Mosley and Tito DLH 2. At 154 I think Tito wins both of those.
McCallum's best was at light middle, he beat Jackson who KO Norris, and a fresher Curry than Norris.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
McCallum did loose to Kalambay and Toney so it was not his best weight.
I didn't say it wasn't his best weight, but IMO he wasn't at that weight long enough to be considered better than Norris record wise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I felt he beat better fighters and was a lot more consistent than Norris. Although I love watching his fights he was fragile and at his best he would loose to McCallum, Hearns and maybe even Tito.
Reflecting on this topic I do firmly believe that while Julian Jackson was at 154 he had at least a 50% chance against any fighter in the world.