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Re: How good was Marco Antonio Barrera
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Originally Posted by Kel
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Originally Posted by Terp
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Originally Posted by Julius Marvelous Rain
years ago the p4p ranking was like this;
roy jones
bernard hopkins
marco antonio barrera
that was the top three p4p fighters at the time.
Marco was no doubt the better p4p fighter while our current top two p4p were still making their way up.
He was never better than PBF. And how was he better than Pac? He deserved to be rated higher because he was more established but he obviously wasn't better.
Fucks sake, look back a few years would you.
WTF are you talking about? He said that when MAB was top 3 p4p he was clearly better than the current top 2 were at that time, the top 2 being PBF and Pac. He lost his top 3 status when Pac demolished him so he wasn't better than him. MAB was top 3 when he was at 126. Do you think he could've moved up to 130 and beat PBF? I don't.
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Re: How good was Marco Antonio Barrera
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Originally Posted by Terp
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Originally Posted by Kel
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Originally Posted by Terp
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Originally Posted by Julius Marvelous Rain
years ago the p4p ranking was like this;
roy jones
bernard hopkins
marco antonio barrera
that was the top three p4p fighters at the time.
Marco was no doubt the better p4p fighter while our current top two p4p were still making their way up.
He was never better than PBF. And how was he better than Pac? He deserved to be rated higher because he was more established but he obviously wasn't better.
Fucks sake, look back a few years would you.
WTF are you talking about? He said that when MAB was top 3 p4p he was clearly better than the current top 2 were at that time, the top 2 being PBF and Pac. He lost his top 3 status when Pac demolished him so he wasn't better than him. MAB was top 3 when he was at 126. Do you think he could've moved up to 130 and beat PBF? I don't.
Are you sincearly trying to say that Pacquiao is a more gifted over all fighter then Barrera was at his peak?.....Lets be honest here...I like Pacquiao as much as the next guy but he is not a great boxer...he is strong,,has a great chin and sets a fast pace that allows him to dictate the tempo of the fight in his favor......Over all though his boxing skills themselves are not great...Barrera is/was a great boxer who could fight when need be...Pacquiao is just a guy who can fight his a** off...there is a difference.....take away either his chin or his power and all you have is another fighter....he was blessed with the combination of these things....But even these can not help him against a master boxer...
EG- JMM Manny got the 3 knockdowns in the first and all he could manage was a draw?...why is that?...he is ranked higher then JMM P4P.....I'll tell you why...he was outboxed during the rest of the fight and his power and chin were taken away as factors for him....Same goes for the 1st Morales fight...he was outboxed....
Do not confuse Fighter with Boxer
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Re: How good was Marco Antonio Barrera
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
Are you sincearly trying to say that Pacquiao is a more gifted over all fighter then Barrera was at his peak?.....
:D :D :D
He beat the everloving shit out of him in his prime. And they're the same size. There's no debate as to who's better between them. None.
WTF am I even responding to this? :D
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Re: How good was Marco Antonio Barrera
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Originally Posted by Terp
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
Are you sincearly trying to say that Pacquiao is a more gifted over all fighter then Barrera was at his peak?.....
:D :D :D
He beat the everloving S*** out of him in his prime. And they're the same size. There's no debate as to who's better between them. None.
WTF am I even responding to this? :D
I can already see you are one of those guys who just look to stir up things so go about your business....
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yOU GUYS are picking shots, I meant at that TIME!!!!!! marco was a better p4p fighter then pac and floyd BECUASE pac and floyd was still on their way up to the top.
Floyd was a lightweight i believe at the time marco was top 3 p4p, and pac was at the 122 division. Remember Pacs first fight at 126 was marco? Floyd wasn't the great p4p king who he is now at that time, he showed a lot of talent and speed but Floyd had to wait til bhop and roy jones to lose til he broke into the top 2. Pac helped floyd by getting marco out of the way.
Daxx i gotta disagree, pac is not just a great fighter cuase of his power. your well respected around here, i can't believe you would say that. His not just gonna be another fighter without his power. Pac has a lot more going for him, his speed his stamina and his movements. His not a boxer like mab, but he can box. Didn't he just outbox mab better then jmm did? He uses his straight left more so as a mis-direction shot like how bhop or floyd would throw a straight left then step to the side. Pac doesn't use his straight left just as a follow up to a double jab anymore, like how he use to take guys out. He still and prolly always will get into a brawl and let it all hang out, which would make him look out of balance and wild at times, but pac can dominate in the center of the ring when he doesn't brawl. his done a lot its just people remembering the excitment of the brawl that makes them forget the other things pac can do. And thats why he is p4p second to only floyd money mayweather jr.
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Re: How good was Marco Antonio Barrera
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
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Originally Posted by Terp
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
Are you sincearly trying to say that Pacquiao is a more gifted over all fighter then Barrera was at his peak?.....
:D :D :D
He beat the everloving S*** out of him in his prime. And they're the same size. There's no debate as to who's better between them. None.
WTF am I even responding to this? :D
I can already see you are one of those guys who just look to stir up things so go about your business....
Yeah leave him to it mate ;)
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Re: How good was Marco Antonio Barrera
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Originally Posted by Julius Marvelous Rain
yOU GUYS are picking shots, I meant at that TIME!!!!!! marco was a better p4p fighter then pac and floyd BECUASE pac and floyd was still on their way up to the top.
Floyd was a lightweight i believe at the time marco was top 3 p4p, and pac was at the 122 division. Remember Pacs first fight at 126 was marco? Floyd wasn't the great p4p king who he is now at that time, he showed a lot of talent and speed but Floyd had to wait til bhop and roy jones to lose til he broke into the top 2. Pac helped floyd by getting marco out of the way.
Daxx i gotta disagree, pac is not just a great fighter cuase of his power. your well respected around here, i can't believe you would say that. His not just gonna be another fighter without his power. Pac has a lot more going for him, his speed his stamina and his movements. His not a boxer like mab, but he can box. Didn't he just outbox mab better then jmm did? He uses his straight left more so as a mis-direction shot like how bhop or floyd would throw a straight left then step to the side. Pac doesn't use his straight left just as a follow up to a double jab anymore, like how he use to take guys out. He still and prolly always will get into a brawl and let it all hang out, which would make him look out of balance and wild at times, but pac can dominate in the center of the ring when he doesn't brawl. his done a lot its just people remembering the excitment of the brawl that makes them forget the other things pac can do. And thats why he is p4p second to only floyd money mayweather jr.
Actually I said his Chin, Power and fast pace he sets that allows him to set the tempo of the fight to his liking...not many guys even at that weight can fight to the pace Pacquiao like to set.....When a guy comes at you with the power he has and the pace he sets it is hard to keep up.....add the chin and fact you are not going to KO him with one or two shots no matter how hard and that is what gives Pacquiao or should I say makes Pacquiao who he is....Take away his chin and he is in trouble....
Has he not been outboxed by Morales?
Did JMM not comeback to give him a draw?....if not for the 3 knockdowns in rd 1 Pac would have lost the fight...even if he had only knocked JMM down once in the first rd he would have lost....
Rate Pac's defense on a 1-10, are you going to tell me you can not name 5 guys with a better jab then Pac....and yopu can not go by one fight either I go by over all.....
Let Pac keep his chin and take away his speed...would he be the fighter he is?....
Again it is Pac's Chin, Spped and Power that make him who he is not his over all boxing ability...
You don't have to agree with me just my opp
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Re: How good was Marco Antonio Barrera
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Originally Posted by Terp
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Originally Posted by Kel
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Originally Posted by Terp
Good but over-rated. Sort of a third tier elite fighter. Not a phenom like Floyd and Roy. Not quite on the level of Tito and Oscar. The problem with him is there's no point in time where you can look at him and say "that's when he was a monster". He looked like a beast at 122 but then he got smoked by Jones. He looked like a future all-time top 10 at 126, then he got smoked by Pac. He pretty much got beat up by Marquez and Pac at 130.
It's not a case of looking like a F****** monster at any stage of your career. He fought with pride and courage and never stopped at anything and as a result gave us some of the best bouts ever fought. As far as his losses go.......great fighters get beat by great fighters, he has never lost to a sub standard fighter. Your post is a bit confusing.
I don't know if I'd call him "sub-standard", but Jones wasn't an elite fighter. The question was "How good was MAB?", so him fighting with "pride and courage" means nothing. All fighters fight with pride and courage, because they're fighters. He was an elite fighter. Arguably a great fighter. But when you look at his actual career, it falls short of where people usually seem to place him.
Roy Jones wasn't elite?....Barrera not that good?......hmmmm your starting to remind me of someone who USED to post here.....
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I can see you are a moron.
Clearly MAB was the better technical boxer and the more versatile fighter. WTF does that have to do with him being better? I'm not "confusing fighter with boxer", I just realize that doesn't mean anything. This isn't gymnastics. We're not grading fighters on their form.
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Re: How good was Marco Antonio Barrera
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
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Originally Posted by Terp
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Originally Posted by Kel
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Originally Posted by Terp
Good but over-rated. Sort of a third tier elite fighter. Not a phenom like Floyd and Roy. Not quite on the level of Tito and Oscar. The problem with him is there's no point in time where you can look at him and say "that's when he was a monster". He looked like a beast at 122 but then he got smoked by Jones. He looked like a future all-time top 10 at 126, then he got smoked by Pac. He pretty much got beat up by Marquez and Pac at 130.
It's not a case of looking like a F****** monster at any stage of your career. He fought with pride and courage and never stopped at anything and as a result gave us some of the best bouts ever fought. As far as his losses go.......great fighters get beat by great fighters, he has never lost to a sub standard fighter. Your post is a bit confusing.
I don't know if I'd call him "sub-standard", but Jones wasn't an elite fighter. The question was "How good was MAB?", so him fighting with "pride and courage" means nothing. All fighters fight with pride and courage, because they're fighters. He was an elite fighter. Arguably a great fighter. But when you look at his actual career, it falls short of where people usually seem to place him.
Roy Jones wasn't elite?....Barrera not that good?......hmmmm your starting to remind me of someone who USED to post here.....
Junior Jones. You know, the guy that K Barerra TFO. Where did I say he "wasn't that good"? Am I not entitled to feel a fighter is over-rated?
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Originally Posted by Julius Marvelous Rain
yOU GUYS are picking shots, I meant at that TIME!!!!!! marco was a better p4p fighter then pac and floyd BECUASE pac and floyd was still on their way up to the top.
Floyd was a lightweight i believe at the time marco was top 3 p4p, and pac was at the 122 division. Remember Pacs first fight at 126 was marco? Floyd wasn't the great p4p king who he is now at that time, he showed a lot of talent and speed but Floyd had to wait til bhop and roy jones to lose til he broke into the top 2. Pac helped floyd by getting marco out of the way.
How could MAB have been better than Pac? Pac moved up from 122 and dominated MAB. Was he the better fighter until the day before they fight and then Pac magically became better? What does Floyd's mythical p4p rating have to do with how good he was? He was still PBF and he was still better than Barerra. He always was.
And it doesn't matter why Pac is as good as he is. Whether it's all speed and power and no skills is irrelevant because he uses that speed and power to defeat lesser opponents... Like MAB.
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You keep saying "take Pac's speed and power away" like he's cheating or something. If you prefer fighters who get by on technique rather than natural ability that's fine. I'm in the same boat. But it doesn't make them better. JMM is a technical wizard and Pac is a retard but when they actually fought the end result was a very even fight.
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Re: How good was Marco Antonio Barrera
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Originally Posted by Terp
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Originally Posted by Julius Marvelous Rain
yOU GUYS are picking shots, I meant at that TIME!!!!!! marco was a better p4p fighter then pac and floyd BECUASE pac and floyd was still on their way up to the top.
Floyd was a lightweight i believe at the time marco was top 3 p4p, and pac was at the 122 division. Remember Pacs first fight at 126 was marco? Floyd wasn't the great p4p king who he is now at that time, he showed a lot of talent and speed but Floyd had to wait til bhop and roy jones to lose til he broke into the top 2. Pac helped floyd by getting marco out of the way.
How could MAB have been better than Pac? Pac moved up from 122 and dominated MAB. Was he the better fighter until the day before they fight and then Pac magically became better? What does Floyd's mythical p4p rating have to do with how good he was? He was still PBF and he was still better than Barerra. He always was.
And it doesn't matter why Pac is as good as he is. Whether it's all speed and power and no skills is irrelevant because he uses that speed and power to defeat lesser opponents... Like MAB.
MAB is a better boxer than Pac, without a doubt, but Pac has the tools that Marco can't handle. It's a bad chemistry for MAB. Could MAB have beaten Pac in his prime? SURE! But he didn't when the chance presented itself.
Also for Daxx. I'm not in any way shape or form starting an arguement here, I'm just stating what I think. IF Pac didn't have his mixture of speed, power, stamina, and chin he would be just another fighter, ABSOLUTELY. But the fact of the matter is he has all those things and there can't be any IF statements cause that's not the case. People say Prime-against-Prime MAB or Morales would've beaten Pacquiao. But no matter whose fan of which boxer you are, those three will always be mentioned when talking about the best in the lower weight classes.
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Re: How good was Marco Antonio Barrera
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Originally Posted by caleoh12
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Originally Posted by Terp
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Originally Posted by Julius Marvelous Rain
yOU GUYS are picking shots, I meant at that TIME!!!!!! marco was a better p4p fighter then pac and floyd BECUASE pac and floyd was still on their way up to the top.
Floyd was a lightweight i believe at the time marco was top 3 p4p, and pac was at the 122 division. Remember Pacs first fight at 126 was marco? Floyd wasn't the great p4p king who he is now at that time, he showed a lot of talent and speed but Floyd had to wait til bhop and roy jones to lose til he broke into the top 2. Pac helped floyd by getting marco out of the way.
How could MAB have been better than Pac? Pac moved up from 122 and dominated MAB. Was he the better fighter until the day before they fight and then Pac magically became better? What does Floyd's mythical p4p rating have to do with how good he was? He was still PBF and he was still better than Barerra. He always was.
And it doesn't matter why Pac is as good as he is. Whether it's all speed and power and no skills is irrelevant because he uses that speed and power to defeat lesser opponents... Like MAB.
MAB is a better boxer than Pac, without a doubt, but Pac has the tools that Marco can't handle. It's a bad chemistry for MAB. Could MAB have beaten Pac in his prime? SURE! But he didn't when the chance presented itself.
Also for Daxx. I'm not in any way shape or form starting an arguement here, I'm just stating what I think. IF Pac didn't have his mixture of speed, power, stamina, and chin he would be just another fighter, ABSOLUTELY. But the fact of the matter is he has all those things and there can't be any IF statements cause that's not the case. People say Prime-against-Prime MAB or Morales would've beaten Pacquiao. But no matter whose fan of which boxer you are, those three will always be mentioned when talking about the best in the lower weight classes.
Thank you! But uhh... Are you saying MAB wasn't prime for the first Pac fight?
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Re: How good was Marco Antonio Barrera
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Originally Posted by Terp
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Originally Posted by caleoh12
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Originally Posted by Terp
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Originally Posted by Julius Marvelous Rain
yOU GUYS are picking shots, I meant at that TIME!!!!!! marco was a better p4p fighter then pac and floyd BECUASE pac and floyd was still on their way up to the top.
Floyd was a lightweight i believe at the time marco was top 3 p4p, and pac was at the 122 division. Remember Pacs first fight at 126 was marco? Floyd wasn't the great p4p king who he is now at that time, he showed a lot of talent and speed but Floyd had to wait til bhop and roy jones to lose til he broke into the top 2. Pac helped floyd by getting marco out of the way.
How could MAB have been better than Pac? Pac moved up from 122 and dominated MAB. Was he the better fighter until the day before they fight and then Pac magically became better? What does Floyd's mythical p4p rating have to do with how good he was? He was still PBF and he was still better than Barerra. He always was.
And it doesn't matter why Pac is as good as he is. Whether it's all speed and power and no skills is irrelevant because he uses that speed and power to defeat lesser opponents... Like MAB.
MAB is a better boxer than Pac, without a doubt, but Pac has the tools that Marco can't handle. It's a bad chemistry for MAB. Could MAB have beaten Pac in his prime? SURE! But he didn't when the chance presented itself.
Also for Daxx. I'm not in any way shape or form starting an arguement here, I'm just stating what I think. IF Pac didn't have his mixture of speed, power, stamina, and chin he would be just another fighter, ABSOLUTELY. But the fact of the matter is he has all those things and there can't be any IF statements cause that's not the case. People say Prime-against-Prime MAB or Morales would've beaten Pacquiao. But no matter whose fan of which boxer you are, those three will always be mentioned when talking about the best in the lower weight classes.
Thank you! But uhh... Are you saying MAB wasn't prime for the first Pac fight?
Oh No! I always defend Pac when people say that Barrera was shot either of the times they fought. Barrera was in his prime, but he def. wasn't himself. But most likely that was because Pac brought it to him worse than he's ever seen it. Barrera's performance IMO was due to him not being ready for the storm that is Manny Pacquiao.
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MAB can argueably be the greatest Super Bantamweight ever....
IMO, MAB was the epitimy of a professional fighter. Someone who fought thru the rankings and earned his shot at the big times by doing so. When he won his 1st title the Mexican Super Fly. he showed the tools were there they just needed to be polished some more. For his 1st defense he took on Jose F. Montiel the last name sounds familiar to you because hes from the long list of family members of Montiels who have boxed along with Pedro Montiel, Eduardo, Manuel and current WBO Super Fly. champ Fernando Montiel. Tho Jose Montiel was not a note worthy opponent as far as a record goes Montiel was wll schooled enough to poses some thread but MAB disposed of him in 2 rounds. In '94 whe he earned a shot at the WBC super fly title he failed to make weight and struggled immensly with Salazar whom IMO, MAB should have blasted out. Would he have made weight he would have fought Jose L. Bueno for the title instead we were introduced to great Japanese fighter Kawashima who went on to beat Bueno for the title.
A lot of people don't know this but MAB actually retired in 1995 when he won the WBO title from Jimenez he went back to Mexico announced his retirement. I believe his trainer & people convinced him to continue to fight and he thank god he did.
Through his career he has beaten some great fighters and some of the best fighters of his time. One of the best fighters was Kennedy when he faced MAB in the famous HBO:BAD 1st telecast... What a fight that was tremendous heart and determination by MAB shown that night. I dislike excuses so to me the JJones loses are just that loses. JJones at that time was just on one whether the personal issues had something to do with it or not is another topic all in itself I mean certain people deal with certain circustances in different ways so who knows. Then theres the 1st match up with Erik whom a handful of people think he won... I don't need to go to deep into it as I think we all know what took place that day. Another thin that people don't either know or mention is that the WBO gave MAB the title back when Erik moved up in weight to fight Kelley. Then came the NAZ whom people like to recognize as MABs signature victory. He mastered Naz and showed how smart he could be in the ring countering Naz all night long, jabbing him and keeping him busy with it. He then rematches Erik and this time people think he lost but he won a decision.... So now he had settled the score with Erik. He went on to fight the great 'Mi Vida Loca' Tapia and what turned out to be more of boxing session/lesson then anything else but showed tremendous skill again with his hand speed and defense. Along the way he also defeated Kelley prior to facing Manny in which he lost by TKO. Again lot's of things happening in his personal life some that I can't even hint at on here. But those who are deep into MABs career and or have done the research know what I'm talking about. Anyway no excuses he lost and that's that he moved on. He took on Ayala prior to facing Erik for the rubber match in what would close out one of the greates trilogies ever made. Part III was IMO a time capsule of both Erik & MABs career two great warriors just doing what they do best, fight. I'd like to point out the Fana win cause the guys moved on to positive things and has become a champion. Fana hasn't lost since then hes won 5 fights and is the current IBF Super Feather champ.
He put on some masterful teachings vs. Juarez the second time around and what he did in the JMM fight was just brilliant. Tho I must mention I have just started liking/respecting MAB due to me being an Erik fan more. One has to admit that MAB was as talented as they come.
From boxer very early in his career, to brawler in the contender stages of his career, to boxer puncher as a champ. to the technical master that he showed he could be to the brawling with Erik and trading with JMM. This dude had it all.
Most def. one of greatest boxers of this era.
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Re: How good was Marco Antonio Barrera
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Originally Posted by Terp
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
Are you sincearly trying to say that Pacquiao is a more gifted over all fighter then Barrera was at his peak?.....
:D :D :D
He beat the everloving S*** out of him in his prime. And they're the same size. There's no debate as to who's better between them. None.
WTF am I even responding to this? :D
Aren't you the same guy who had Marquez beating Barrera by a landslide ?? ::**
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
MAB can argueably be the greatest Super Bantamweight ever....
IMO, MAB was the epitimy of a professional fighter. Someone who fought thru the rankings and earned his shot at the big times by doing so. When he won his 1st title the Mexican Super Fly. he showed the tools were there they just needed to be polished some more. For his 1st defense he took on Jose F. Montiel the last name sounds familiar to you because hes from the long list of family members of Montiels who have boxed along with Pedro Montiel, Eduardo, Manuel and current WBO Super Fly. champ Fernando Montiel. Tho Jose Montiel was not a note worthy opponent as far as a record goes Montiel was wll schooled enough to poses some thread but MAB disposed of him in 2 rounds. In '94 whe he earned a shot at the WBC super fly title he failed to make weight and struggled immensly with Salazar whom IMO, MAB should have blasted out. Would he have made weight he would have fought Jose L. Bueno for the title instead we were introduced to great Japanese fighter Kawashima who went on to beat Bueno for the title.
A lot of people don't know this but MAB actually retired in 1995 when he won the WBO title from Jimenez he went back to Mexico announced his retirement. I believe his trainer & people convinced him to continue to fight and he thank god he did.
Through his career he has beaten some great fighters and some of the best fighters of his time. One of the best fighters was Kennedy when he faced MAB in the famous HBO:BAD 1st telecast... What a fight that was tremendous heart and determination by MAB shown that night. I dislike excuses so to me the JJones loses are just that loses. JJones at that time was just on one whether the personal issues had something to do with it or not is another topic all in itself I mean certain people deal with certain circustances in different ways so who knows. Then theres the 1st match up with Erik whom a handful of people think he won... I don't need to go to deep into it as I think we all know what took place that day. Another thin that people don't either know or mention is that the WBO gave MAB the title back when Erik moved up in weight to fight Kelley. Then came the NAZ whom people like to recognize as MABs signature victory. He mastered Naz and showed how smart he could be in the ring countering Naz all night long, jabbing him and keeping him busy with it. He then rematches Erik and this time people think he lost but he won a decision.... So now he had settled the score with Erik. He went on to fight the great 'Mi Vida Loca' Tapia and what turned out to be more of boxing session/lesson then anything else but showed tremendous skill again with his hand speed and defense. Along the way he also defeated Kelley prior to facing Manny in which he lost by TKO. Again lot's of things happening in his personal life some that I can't even hint at on here. But those who are deep into MABs career and or have done the research know what I'm talking about. Anyway no excuses he lost and that's that he moved on. He took on Ayala prior to facing Erik for the rubber match in what would close out one of the greates trilogies ever made. Part III was IMO a time capsule of both Erik & MABs career two great warriors just doing what they do best, fight. I'd like to point out the Fana win cause the guys moved on to positive things and has become a champion. Fana hasn't lost since then hes won 5 fights and is the current IBF Super Feather champ.
He put on some masterful teachings vs. Juarez the second time around and what he did in the JMM fight was just brilliant. Tho I must mention I have just started liking/respecting MAB due to me being an Erik fan more. One has to admit that MAB was as talented as they come.
From boxer very early in his career, to brawler in the contender stages of his career, to boxer puncher as a champ. to the technical master that he showed he could be to the brawling with Erik and trading with JMM. This dude had it all.
Most def. one of greatest boxers of this era.
Oh CutMeMick...I love your insightful posts...CC!
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CC to Mick SC to Terp 8)
I remember arguing with this guy, i think he had the fight 117-110 for Marquez ::**
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Re: How good was Marco Antonio Barrera
Marco was top top fighter
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Every round of Marquez-MAB was close, but Marquez won 8 or 9 of them. There's no way MAB won more than 5 rounds. JMM outpunched him all night. The judges and almost all press agree with me.
In fact, outside of this site, the people who are delusional enough to give it to MAB are miniscule.
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Every round of Marquez-MAB was close, but Marquez won 8 or 9 of them. There's no way MAB won more than 5 rounds. JMM outpunched him all night. The judges and almost all press agree with me.
In fact, outside of this site, the people who are delusional enough to give it to MAB are miniscule.
Give it a rest. Just take a look at Marquez's face after the fight and tell me who got out punched. I have a feeling you are one of the Pac jockers on this board...but with a new board name ;)
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Originally Posted by Terp
Every round of Marquez-MAB was close, but Marquez won 8 or 9 of them. There's no way MAB won more than 5 rounds. JMM outpunched him all night. The judges and almost all press agree with me.
In fact, outside of this site, the people who are delusional enough to give it to MAB are miniscule.
Oh so you actually give MAB 5 rounds now ??
I think your find MAB was landing more punches than Marquez in most of the rounds ;)
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Originally Posted by Terp
Every round of Marquez-MAB was close, but Marquez won 8 or 9 of them. There's no way MAB won more than 5 rounds. JMM outpunched him all night. The judges and almost all press agree with me.
In fact, outside of this site, the people who are delusional enough to give it to MAB are miniscule.
Oh so you actually give MAB 5 rounds now ??
I think your find MAB was landing more punches than Marquez in most of the rounds ;)
This guy is just looking to stir things up ICB,,,He changes his story as often as VD does Public Defenders...
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Re: How good was Marco Antonio Barrera
No, I gave him 3 rounds. And there's no way he won more than 5. What don't you understand?
As I said, Marquez landed the harder cleaner punches in every round. I don't belive in punch stats, but since you do, the punch stats support that.
If I was a Pac fan, wouldn't I be trying to hype MAB? Since Pac, you know, took his heart and humiliated on two seperate occasions?
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Re: How good was Marco Antonio Barrera
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Originally Posted by Terp
No, I gave him 3 rounds. And there's no way he won more than 5. What don't you understand?
As I said, Marquez landed the harder cleaner punches in every round. I don't belive in punch stats, but since you do, the punch stats support that.
If I was a Pac fan, wouldn't I be trying to hype MAB? Since Pac, you know, took his heart and humiliated on two seperate occasions?
No, I gave him 3 rounds. And there's no way he won more than 5. What don't you understand?
I can't understand your ridiculous scoring when it was a close competitive fight except for 2 rounds in which Marquez won clearly other than that it was very close fight.
As I said, Marquez landed the harder cleaner punches in every round. I don't belive in punch stats, but since you do, the punch stats support that.
They do ?? i think your find Barrera landed more punches, Marquez had an edge in power shots based on his dominant 7th round when he landed 30+ power punches i believe it was. Other than that the power punches were pretty even.
If I was a Pac fan, wouldn't I be trying to hype MAB? Since Pac, you know, took his heart and humiliated on two seperate occasions?
I never said you was a Pac fan, in fact i don't care who your fan of it still doesn't change the fact your scoring is way off the mark.
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Re: How good was Marco Antonio Barrera
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Originally Posted by Terp
No, I gave him 3 rounds. And there's no way he won more than 5. What don't you understand?
As I said, Marquez landed the harder cleaner punches in every round. I don't belive in punch stats, but since you do, the punch stats support that.
If I was a Pac fan, wouldn't I be trying to hype MAB? Since Pac, you know, took his heart and humiliated on two seperate occasions?
"If I was a Pac fan, wouldn't I be trying to hype MAB? Since Pac, you know, took his heart and humiliated on two seperate occasions?"
Yeah...you sure don't sound like a Pac fan ::**
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Re: How good was Marco Antonio Barrera
Yeah, it takes a load of Pac nut-hugging to suggest he intimidated and dominated MAB twice.
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Re: How good was Marco Antonio Barrera
Why the fuck has this thread gone on for five pages?
If you have to ask if MAB was good you need to do some fucking homework. MAB is one of the best in our generation and thats the bloody end of it frankly.
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Re: How good was Marco Antonio Barrera
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Originally Posted by Kel
Why the F*** has this thread gone on for five pages?
If you have to ask if MAB was good you need to do some F****** homework. MAB is one of the best in our generation and thats the bloody end of it frankly.
Don't even waste your time on this character Kel....Since he has come here it has been nothing but insults and arguements....With everyone...he does not even debate....not even worth the time mate...
The guy is just looking to stir things up..He will eventually be flushed
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Re: How good was Marco Antonio Barrera
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Originally Posted by Kel
Why the F*** has this thread gone on for five pages?
If you have to ask if MAB was good you need to do some F****** homework. MAB is one of the best in our generation and thats the bloody end of it frankly.
The question isn't "was he good" it's "how good was he". I don't think he was as good as most do and it drives you people mad. Yet I'm the one being accused bias. :D
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Re: How good was Marco Antonio Barrera
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Originally Posted by Kel
Why the F*** has this thread gone on for five pages?
If you have to ask if MAB was good you need to do some F****** homework. MAB is one of the best in our generation and thats the bloody end of it frankly.
:appl: CC Kel.Well stated. Point,set,match !!
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
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Originally Posted by Kel
Why the F*** has this thread gone on for five pages?
If you have to ask if MAB was good you need to do some F****** homework. MAB is one of the best in our generation and thats the bloody end of it frankly.
Don't even waste your time on this character Kel....Since he has come here it has been nothing but insults and arguements....With everyone...he does not even debate....not even worth the time mate...
The guy is just looking to stir things up..He will eventually be flushed
Some Fu!!tards resort to Degrading a fighter ..."Taking his heart..." ::**
Thats when you know there shallow posers.
Earlier CC returned This am.
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Re: How good was Marco Antonio Barrera
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Originally Posted by Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker
One of the greatest Mexican fighters of all time, You should check out his fight with Kennedy McKinney. That was one of the best slugfest's you will ever see. If your MAB fan do not watch 1st Junior Jones fight because he took a bit of beating in that fight, although i think MAB should of won the rematch vs Junior Jones, he just had MAB's number just like Norton had Ali's and Forrest had Mosley's.
I think Barrera was one of the best Superbantamweights of all time he is up there with Wilfredo Gomez imo.
Yeah what he said
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Re: How good was Marco Antonio Barrera
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Originally Posted by violent demise#1 groupie
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Originally Posted by Kel
Why the F*** has this thread gone on for five pages?
If you have to ask if MAB was good you need to do some F****** homework. MAB is one of the best in our generation and thats the bloody end of it frankly.
:appl: CC Kel.Well stated. Point,set,match !!
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
Why the F*** has this thread gone on for five pages?
If you have to ask if MAB was good you need to do some F****** homework. MAB is one of the best in our generation and thats the bloody end of it frankly.
Don't even waste your time on this character Kel....Since he has come here it has been nothing but insults and arguements....With everyone...he does not even debate....not even worth the time mate...
The guy is just looking to stir things up..He will eventually be flushed
Some Fu!!tards resort to Degrading a fighter ..."Taking his heart..." ::**
Thats when you know there shallow posers.
Earlier CC returned This am.
Pac bitched him. Plain and simple. If it's degrading to MAB, too bad so sad. I'll give him a pass on the first fight. He didn't know what hit him and he couldn't adjust. But he came into the second fight like he just hoped he wouldn't get hurt.
He was scared of Pac. You know it, I know it and the American (and Mexican) people know it.
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Re: How good was Marco Antonio Barrera
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Originally Posted by Terp
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Originally Posted by violent demise#1 groupie
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Originally Posted by Kel
Why the F*** has this thread gone on for five pages?
If you have to ask if MAB was good you need to do some F****** homework. MAB is one of the best in our generation and thats the bloody end of it frankly.
:appl: CC Kel.Well stated. Point,set,match !!
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
Why the F*** has this thread gone on for five pages?
If you have to ask if MAB was good you need to do some F****** homework. MAB is one of the best in our generation and thats the bloody end of it frankly.
Don't even waste your time on this character Kel....Since he has come here it has been nothing but insults and arguements....With everyone...he does not even debate....not even worth the time mate...
The guy is just looking to stir things up..He will eventually be flushed
Some Fu!!tards resort to Degrading a fighter ..."Taking his heart..." ::**
Thats when you know there shallow posers.
Earlier CC returned This am.
Pac bitched him. Plain and simple. If it's degrading to MAB, too bad so sad. I'll give him a pass on the first fight. He didn't know what hit him and he couldn't adjust. But he came into the second fight like he just hoped he wouldn't get hurt.
He was scared of Pac. You know it, I know it and the American (and Mexican) people know it.
What,are you 10 yrs old??Its not degrading to Barrera,He does not strike me as one "Scared" of anything.It could be degrading to fans that know this is not a school yard. In this sport "American and Mexican " fans are Mostly one in the same
Get a grip Short-bus :dunce:
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Re: How good was Marco Antonio Barrera
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Originally Posted by violent demise#1 groupie
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Originally Posted by Terp
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Originally Posted by violent demise#1 groupie
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Originally Posted by Kel
Why the F*** has this thread gone on for five pages?
If you have to ask if MAB was good you need to do some F****** homework. MAB is one of the best in our generation and thats the bloody end of it frankly.
:appl: CC Kel.Well stated. Point,set,match !!
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
Why the F*** has this thread gone on for five pages?
If you have to ask if MAB was good you need to do some F****** homework. MAB is one of the best in our generation and thats the bloody end of it frankly.
Don't even waste your time on this character Kel....Since he has come here it has been nothing but insults and arguements....With everyone...he does not even debate....not even worth the time mate...
The guy is just looking to stir things up..He will eventually be flushed
Some Fu!!tards resort to Degrading a fighter ..."Taking his heart..." ::**
Thats when you know there shallow posers.
Earlier CC returned This am.
Pac bitched him. Plain and simple. If it's degrading to MAB, too bad so sad. I'll give him a pass on the first fight. He didn't know what hit him and he couldn't adjust. But he came into the second fight like he just hoped he wouldn't get hurt.
He was scared of Pac. You know it, I know it and the American (and Mexican) people know it.
What,are you 10 yrs old??Its not degrading to Barrera,He does not strike me as one "Scared" of anything.It could be degrading to fans that know this is not a school yard. In this sport "American and Mexican " fans are Mostly one in the same
Get a grip Short-bus :dunce:
:lolhaha: :lolhaha: :lol:....I haven't heard the short bus joke in years
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Re: How good was Marco Antonio Barrera
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Originally Posted by Terp
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Originally Posted by Kel
Why the F*** has this thread gone on for five pages?
If you have to ask if MAB was good you need to do some F****** homework. MAB is one of the best in our generation and thats the bloody end of it frankly.
The question isn't "was he good" it's "how good was he". I don't think he was as good as most do and it drives you people mad. Yet I'm the one being accused bias. :D
MAB come across a fighter that had his number Junior Jones, just like Norton/ALI Mosley/Forrest. Pacquiao beat him fair and square, now i don't think Barrera was in his prime against Pacquiao but he lost and no one is denying that. But your trying to rub it into people's face to purposely try and cause an argument. MAB is still one of the greatest Mexican Fighters of All Time losing to Pacquiao is nothing to be ashamed of.
Barrera's best wins
Paulie Ayala
Erik Morales x2
Johnny Tapia
Kevin Kelley
Naseem Hamed
Jesus Salud
Kennedy McKinney
Agapito Sanchez
Rocky Juarez
Jesse Benavides
Superbantamweight, Featherweight, Superfeatherweight,, World champion in each of these Weightclasses what is so overrated about that ??
