bernard Hopkins is an overated bum & CALZAGHES gonna knock him out

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

Tell me do you think it is total coinsidence that Clazaghe has fought mainly in the uk , and hasnt fought any of the following in 10 years -
Roy Jones , James Toney , Benard Hopkins , do you believe and this is a question - that if he had really wanted those matches when they were in a prime , that he couldnt have got them ????
eg. dropping the WBO JOKE title and getting to number 1 contender in which ever orginisation they were affiliated with ????
Fact is Joe has talent but beating a 43 year old Hopkins isnt going to make him great , his best years have gone , a record of 42 wins 3 defeats and having mixed with the best , is better than 46 wins no defeats and didnt mix with the best.
I know you love him in Wales which is fine, but personally i just dont buy it , and his promoter Warren is a joke to .
I truely believe Hopkins has nothing to loose , if he wins he is laughing and if he looses then people will bring up the age thing.
Calzaghe has made no effort to move to a more glamerous division like LHW , or made enough effort to chase the career defining fights , if you dont agree with me then thats ok , but i know there will be a few on here who do agree with me.

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So to fight hopkins he was meant to drop his belt and move down to middleweight even tho making SMW was a task in it's self? hopkins could of had the calzaghe fight, this topic is just annyoing facts are facts and its a fact hopkins turned downa career high payday to fight joe in the states so quit talking crap.

Jones said HIM SELF calzaghe was to high risk for the gain he would have of beating him...

wtf are you on about toney for, he was fighting for his cruiserweight before joe had even beaten eubank, shit do you know anything or do you just take what the rest of the idiots post as gospal?

get your own opinion by doing your own reasearch, i'm all up for a good debate and all but when people who don't know their ass from their elbow spout complete crap that are clueless about because they don;t like a fighter just pisses me off.

seanie done it about hopkins and you do it about calzaghe.

One of the biggest reasons calzaghe hasn';t had the big fights up untill now is lack of Hbo exposuer, they provide the money most of the time ot make the big fights.

At one point they wanted ot build him up to beat the then king RJJ. his fight with Reid detered them because it was ugly, had ot fight with one hand for most of it and ended in a bs SD. He started putting on some good shows and got their interest again, but great timing for him the decided to air a fight of him when he was going through his divorce and wasn;t him self, and basicaly lost all interest untill he destroyed lacy.

Maybe if he had more luck and they kept interest he could of had the jones fight, maybe if hopkins would kept to his word after the trinidad fight he would of been where he is now in 2001

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Originally Posted by Preme

So to fight hopkins he was meant to drop his belt and move down to middleweight even tho making SMW was a task in it's self? hopkins could of had the calzaghe fight, this topic is just annyoing facts are facts and its a fact hopkins turned downa career high payday to fight joe in the states so quit talking crap.

Jones said HIM SELF calzaghe was to high risk for the gain he would have of beating him...

wtf are you on about toney for, he was fighting for his cruiserweight before joe had even beaten eubank, shit do you know anything or do you just take what the rest of the idiots post as gospal?

get your own opinion by doing your own reasearch, i'm all up for a good debate and all but when people who don't know their ass from their elbow spout complete crap that are clueless about because they don;t like a fighter just pisses me off.

seanie done it about hopkins and you do it about calzaghe.

One of the biggest reasons calzaghe hasn';t had the big fights up untill now is lack of Hbo exposuer, they provide the money most of the time ot make the big fights.

At one point they wanted ot build him up to beat the then king RJJ. his fight with Reid detered them because it was ugly, had ot fight with one hand for most of it and ended in a bs SD. He started putting on some good shows and got their interest again, but great timing for him the decided to air a fight of him when he was going through his divorce and wasn;t him self, and basicaly lost all interest untill he destroyed lacy.

Maybe if he had more luck and they kept interest he could of had the jones fight, maybe if hopkins would kept to his word after the trinidad fight he would of been where he is now in 2001

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It ain't just Jones, Toney and Hopkins. Calzaghe also couldn't make a fight with Sven Ottke (Calzaghe refused to fight him in Germany, but for some reason went there to fight a lesser fight in Mario Veit). He refused to rematch Robin Reid even though there first fight was closed. And he straight punked out against Glen Johnson 3 times.

I look at this argument on both sides of the coin, because people in this thread are saying some stupid things.

Firstly, the idiot that said Joe's win over Kessler wasn't great. I'm sorry but thats just fucking stupid. 29 year old undefeated big puncher with 2 belts in your division and Joe stepped up and outclassed him.

Secondly, Joe didn't avoid Toney as Toney was fighting at Cruiser at the time Joe beat Eubank, and he tried to make a fight with Hopkins previously before Hopkins walked out of the deal.

Ottke also walked away from a fight with Joe. He had 5 KO's and pretty much knew that Joe would cream him.

But...while I like Joe, I would have to agree that he's had options to move up and face better opposition such as Glen Johnson...and even Clinton Woods and has neglected to fight them to stay at Super-Middleweight to defend a title and safely protect Warren's investment. He should have moved up to Light-Heavy years ago, and beating 42 Year Old Hopkins who has fought one legit Light-Heavy is not going to be enough to convince me he has beaten everyone. I honestly wonder that even if he took a fight with Roy Jones now, whether or not he'd come out on top. It's frustrating because he has talent, but he just has never cashed in on it.

He should have gone to the US too. This is why people have respect for Hatton. Because he always chased the hardest possible fight he could find in Mayweather. If Floyd had been a Light-Heavy, I think Joe would have stayed at 168 and retired before chasing a fight against the best P4P fighter in the world.

I don't know why I opened up this thread due to it's ridiculous title. I think Clazaghe will win, but it will be close. And if anyone thinks Hopkins is overrated and bum, you don't know the sport.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

It ain't just Jones, Toney and Hopkins. Calzaghe also couldn't make a fight with Sven Ottke (Calzaghe refused to fight him in Germany, but for some reason went there to fight a lesser fight in Mario Veit). He refused to rematch Robin Reid even though there first fight was closed. And he straight punked out against Glen Johnson 3 times.

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These are the points i was making VD , the examples i used were also in a hyperthetical sence , Roy Jones for example was only 1 weight up from Calzaghe , he could have move up to face him in his quest for greatness ,
Preme im sure other posters got the idea of what i was saying.
You like Calzaghe and thats fine , but some of us think his career is a bit of a fraud for one with so much ability.
And to suggest i know nothing about boxing is just a joke as i was into boxing when you were a GLINT IN THE MILKMANS EYE Son.
Im not saying these guy queued up to fight Calzaghe either , im saying he could have done more to get these fights ( or Warren could ).
I acctually think he has a good chance of outworking Hopkins over 12 but as i said it wont make him a great in many eyes.
Im sorry if i have offended you Preme that wasnt my intention.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

It ain't just Jones, Toney and Hopkins. Calzaghe also couldn't make a fight with Sven Ottke (Calzaghe refused to fight him in Germany, but for some reason went there to fight a lesser fight in Mario Veit). He refused to rematch Robin Reid even though there first fight was closed. And he straight punked out against Glen Johnson 3 times.

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Calzaghe refused to fight him in germany??

hahaha what a losser you are you out right lie now because you he keeps winning and you cant call him on that? you are fucking pathetic.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

These are the points i was making VD , the examples i used were also in a hyperthetical sence , Roy Jones for example was only 1 weight up from Calzaghe , he could have move up to face him in his quest for greatness ,
Preme im sure other posters got the idea of what i was saying.
You like Calzaghe and thats fine , but some of us think his career is a bit of a fraud for one with so much ability.
And to suggest i know nothing about boxing is just a joke as i was into boxing when you were a GLINT IN THE MILKMANS EYE Son.
Im not saying these guy queued up to fight Calzaghe either , im saying he could have done more to get these fights ( or Warren could ).
I acctually think he has a good chance of outworking Hopkins over 12 but as i said it wont make him a great in many eyes.
Im sorry if i have offended you Preme that wasnt my intention.

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hahahaha the hell those were the points you were trying to make... you are just saying that to ride off unkle VD's back and try and save face. Just like the first load of crap you posted was done by quoting another idiot, now you are doing it again, monkey see monkey do i guess...

gotta love the forum idiots who never learn and just keep digging.

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Originally Posted by Preme

hahahaha the hell those were the points you were trying to make... you are just saying that to ride off unkle VD's back and try and save face. Just like the first load of crap you posted was done by quoting another idiot, now you are doing it again, monkey see monkey do i guess...

gotta love the forum idiots who never learn and just keep digging.

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If you love the forums idiots then may i suggest a mirror.
Are you waiting till after Joe retires to marry him ?

Also PREME it was 11.30 pm last night and i was pissed when i wrote the post , but hey get over it , you think 1 thing others dont agree , so what .
As i said im not trying to wind anybody up here , and as you probably know its not acctually that easy to get your argument over using text only.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

Also PREME it was 11.30 pm last night and i was pissed when i wrote the post , but hey get over it , you think 1 thing others dont agree , so what .
As i said im not trying to wind anybody up here , and as you probably know its not acctually that easy to get your argument over using text only.

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so at 11:30pm when you are durnk u basicaly forget everything you know about boxing and just post crap then?

and its very easy to get your point accross when you now what you are actualy talking about.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

If you love the forums idiots then may i suggest a mirror.
Are you waiting till after Joe retires to marry him ?

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aww another fan boy remark? haha the only time they ever come out is when someone has well and truly been embarrassed and has nothing more than the fan boy remarks.

this has nothing to do with liking or not liking joe, its about people liek your self being out of their league.

funny how i am not a fan boy when i had a go at seanie for salgging off hopkins, yet school you and then the remarks come out, what a joke you are.

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Originally Posted by Preme

Calzaghe refused to fight him in germany??

hahaha what a losser you are you out right lie now because you he keeps winning and you cant call him on that? you are fucking pathetic.

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Yes he did. Just like he refused to rematch Reid. And just like he bitched out against Johnson 3 times. Or are those lies too? :rolleyes: Go back to carrying Calzaghe's jock strap. It's the only thing you know how to do. You don't even talk boxing (maybe cuz you know nothing about it). It's always the same shit out of you. "Calzaghe said this". "Calzaghe's favorite color is this". "Calzaghe's ate this for dinner". "Calzaghe came in my eye last night". Talk about something else. Fucking groupie.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Yes he did. Just like he refused to rematch Reid. And just like he bitched out against Johnson 3 times. Or are those lies too? :rolleyes: Go back to carrying Calzaghe's jock strap. It's the only thing you know how to do. You don't even talk boxing (maybe cuz you know nothing about it). It's always the same shit out of you. "Calzaghe said this". "Calzaghe's favorite color is this". "Calzaghe's ate this for dinner". "Calzaghe came in my eye last night". Talk about something else. Fucking groupie.

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i never said he didn't want to give reid a rematch, and as for johnson, i know nothing? untill i corrected you all your posts were syaing he pulled out twice against johnson.

you never thanked me for that correction either butty;)

kinda funny you of call people call people groupies yet you are one of thebiggest;) casa, bell bla bla you just don;t see how you come off;)

Calzaghe by UD.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Yes he did. Just like he refused to rematch Reid. And just like he bitched out against Johnson 3 times. Or are those lies too? :rolleyes: Go back to carrying Calzaghe's jock strap. It's the only thing you know how to do. You don't even talk boxing (maybe cuz you know nothing about it). It's always the same shit out of you. "Calzaghe said this". "Calzaghe's favorite color is this". "Calzaghe's ate this for dinner". "Calzaghe came in my eye last night". Talk about something else. Fucking groupie.

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Originally Posted by Preme

i never said he didn't want to give reid a rematch, and as for johnson, i know nothing? untill i corrected you all your posts were syaing he pulled out twice against johnson.

you never thanked me for that correction either butty;)

kinda funny you of call people call people groupies yet you are one of thebiggest;) casa, bell bla bla you just don;t see how you come off;)

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Robin Reid WAS offered the Calzaghe rematch.. because he believed he was worth £50,000 more than they offered he turned it down in disappointment. ;)

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Robin Reid WAS offered the Calzaghe rematch.. because he believed he was worth £50,000 more than they offered he turned it down in disappointment. ;)

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never knew that.

always thought they didn;t give him the re-match coz he wouldn't fight joe when he had the wbc belt, i "heard" they tried for a wbo/wbc unify match but reid or his team ingored it, thats form rough press talk so i'm not certain on that

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Originally Posted by Preme

i never said he didn't want to give reid a rematch, and as for johnson, i know nothing? untill i corrected you all your posts were syaing he pulled out twice against johnson.

you never thanked me for that correction either butty;)

kinda funny you of call people call people groupies yet you are one of;) thebiggest casa, bell bla bla you just don;t see how you come off;)

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That shit makes no fucking sense. Yet you claim to be a site writer? LOL

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Originally Posted by Preme

never knew that.

always thought they didn;t give him the re-match coz he wouldn't fight joe when he had the wbc belt, i "heard" they tried for a wbo/wbc unify match but reid or his team ingored it, thats form rough press talk so i'm not certain on that

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Well I guess theres always reasons for fights not happening but you can guarantee 10 times out of 10 it's because of dough

This is from Reids mouth, can't get fairer than that - Robin Reid; I beat Calzaghe in the 1st fight...; I would beat him in the 2nd!

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Well I guess theres always reasons for fights not happening but you can guarantee 10 times out of 10 it's because of dough

This is from Reids mouth, can't get fairer than that - Robin Reid; I beat Calzaghe in the 1st fight...; I would beat him in the 2nd!

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That offer was an insult.

Bernard Hopkins is difinitely NOT a bum. Calzaghe will NOT going to knock him out either.

Joecal will win by UD.

i actaully think Bernard will be stopped by Joe....but mainly due to his age and Joe being in his prime. However, to call Hopkins 'an overated bum' is very wrong mate....the fella has been a great for the sport of boxing and should be remembered as that!
oh and btw i think Bernard was a twat for engagin in the racial slurs....but this is boxing not politics.

I think Joe will win it with a good lead on the cards but it will be a good fight i think but Joe just to much of a high out put so he will win the fight.

Bernard Hopkins is NOT over rated. He is right where he should be...

He has Beaten Glen Johnson, Antwn Echols, Felix Trinidad, William Joppy, ODLH, Howard Eastman, Jermain Taylor(Had he recieved the right decision there would have never been a rematch) Antonio Tarver, and Winky Wright.

He's a Bum? Are you OK?!?! No, seriously... Are you OK? Need a glass of water or something?:-X

No one has ever looked good in the ring against Bernard. It's impossible to. He will make you second guess everything you do. He will grind the tempo right down and force you to make mistakes. He will take advantage of anything that comes even close to looking like a mistake...

That being said....

I think Joe will take this fight. I do not think Bernard will get KOd. Just can't see it happening. I think the wrokrate Joe has is spectacular and I don't think anyone at that weight can mach it.

Bernard will find a way to grind the fight down to a lul, though.

This will not be an easy fight for Joe... I think he will win... But he'll know he's been in a fight... Be sure of that;)





Is Bernard Overrated?... No... Is he a Bum?... Are you kidding me:rolleyes:


Is the title of this thread garbage? Yes!;D

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Originally Posted by SEANIE

I dont rate hopkins at all. He beat fat welterweights and lost twice to pitty patty Taylor and weve all seen how bad taylor really was.

Hopkins could have boxed CALZAGHE years ago but bottled it.

All this fight is is one last payday for Hopkins retirement.

Joe will destroy him.

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When did we see how bad he was? I hope you're not speaking of the 2 Pavlik fights... The second one was the best I've ever seen him look:(.

Friggin garbage post...

I dislike taylor... I'm not a fan. He foughtin a matter of a few years Bernard twice, winky, and pavlik... All star cast... So he fought some undersized guys to take the foot off the gas a bit.. Can you blame him. Don't like him much but you got to give credit where it's due...

You're clearly a hater and from what it sounds like have very little knowlege of the game...

I think I'm gonna go on an equestrian website now and rant about somethink I know nothing about like clearly you did here:mad:

Seanie thats absolutley ridiculous. Absolute tripe man.

Joe's hands won't allow him knock out anyone anymore let alkone world class opposition.

Furthermore Hopkins is one of the most expierienced and intelligent champions in the sport and I would not be surprised toi see him entering as favourite.