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Originally Posted by SweetPea
I dont know Bro, Cotto was the one letting his foot off the gas and Mosely was stronger down the stretch despite absorbing alot of punishment ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
I saw that too. But it's a funny enough thing, I don't think that was triggered by Miguel tiring from his own output.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
I think it had more to do with the body shots that Mosely sank in after the eighth. I don't think they hurt Miguel seriously, but they had the desired effect and slowed him somewhat.
True, I just think Oscar is a smarter fighter who picks his shots alittle bit better not to mention Delahoya would be bigger than Cotto at 147 as well.. If Oscar isint weight drained then he will be the sturdier stronger fighter..Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by Taeth
Bit harsh don't ya think.Anyway the 50 or so people I've seen it with at the bar in Philly.All thought Oscar won.So I guess all of us were brain dead.Most people I talked to said the same thing."When you have to fight the champion you go and get the belt not pot shot him and run away".Are point's were very similiar but everyone in the boards here and around all thought it was a landslide for Mayweather something I just couldn't grasp.
Belts don't mean champion in my book... IMO and in most people's opinions Oscar was fighting Mayweather for his supremacy over the sport, not some meaningless bauble. As for Mayweather winning in a landslide, how does hitting your opponent when you want, and not getting hit in return not result in a landslide? Dela Hoya wasn't to able to do anything effectively, when he started using his jab, Floyd started countering him with the right hand until Oscar stopped trying to come after the jab, and the almost the whole end of the fight Mayweather controlled... I am not saying Oscar didn't come close in a few rounds, but most of them he was outboxed, outlanded, and outsped.
How can people say that Oscar doesn't have the balls to fight Cotto... thats retarded... Besides Ali nobody has faced better competition in their career than Oscar... he risked open humiliation against perhaps the two best defensive fighters ever in Mayweather and Whitaker. He risked his undefeated record against a prime MOsley who at the time seemed invincible. Ditto with Trinidad who hits harder than Cotto. He wnet up to middleweight to fight one of the best middleweights ever(top 5 in my books with Greb,Robinson,Hagler, and Monzon). Nothing in Oscar's career would provide any evidence of him being scared of anybody in the sport.
Could be man, I find it difficult to judge as Oscar fights so seldomnly now,Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
If you had asked me a year ago who I'd have picked my automatic response would have beemn De la Hoya but in the time that has passed Oscar has been inactive, Cotto has become a true Welter and my theory was made at the peak that was culminated by the Mosely victory.
I have to admit I am interested in this fight.
:cool: Hi Taeth, be cool friend , i think that nobody in this Topic said that ODLH doesnt have the balls to fight Cotto , everybody just saying some point of view and analitycal situation that how Oscar will fight Cotto by his Prime before vs now , we know that he risked his undefeated record , but adding about Tito we have to be realist he didnt won that fight and comparing with Cotto ; Cotto have more boxing , strategie and comes everytimes with differents skills that nobody can read it at the time of the fight and have a devastaring punch too , so if we comparing i think Cotto have more probability to win ODLH in that WW Division vs when fought to Oscar......that is the analisys that we tried to share with all of you my friend.......lets put some more interesting point of view that we will share.........:cool:;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Well said Macho.
Dont worry my friend......i dont know why some people misunderstand some topics and point of view........instead read it first and then make their opinion.......:-\Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Delahoya is at his best when he dosent have to be the aggressor. A come forward pressure fighter like Cotto is stylistically a comfortable matchup for OscarQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
5'10 1/2 73 in reach compared to 5' 7 67 in reach I mean with a 6 in reach advantage I see Cotto getting throttled
Thats interesting!Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
I guess that this fight would indeed draw a crowd then, not only ofpeople watching because of the names, but out of curiosity as to the result.
If it were to happen this year, I think I'd stick with Cotto winning on Points!
Oscar is not the fighter he once was.
One body shot from Hopkins and that was all she wrote.
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/366...ahoya9bvf5.jpg
Cotto who is a pretty good body puncher himself, would go to town on Oscar's soft body.
;D
Little Floyd goes 24 rounds with Oscar.
Cotto takes out Oscar in 7
;)
Good point Danny G. Or maybe ODLH will get in the ring with a guy that was made for his style and hits Cotto easily with straights, hooks, jabs, etc. and rocks Cotto just like others already have. Straight-forward boxers have not been a threat for ODLH. Many people wish ODLH the worse, well, get him in the ring with Cotto! They'll be happy to see him loose or they'll end up hating ODLH more when he beats Cotto. Can go either way.
I think if Oscar decides to fight Cotto it will be his last fight.....whether he wants it to be or not.
If Floyd's hook hurt ODH then Cotto is going to put him to sleep. And let's not underestimate Cotto's hand speed and timing...he's a damn good fighter and he can box when need be
Did Floyd hurt ODLH with a body punch? I missed it. There's one punch that almost every video on YouTube keeps repeating when the round finished and Oscar was backing up and got a straight right. Good punch, good timing (right when the round finished) but its not like "Oh my gawd, ODLH can't continue because of that punch".
I don't remember seeing both of them hurt. Just fighting cautious.
Oscar was attacking and Floyd threw a short hook to the chin and ODH's legs gave a bit....if Floyd makes him do that then Cotto is going to have a field day with him.
Did Floyd try to throw body shots?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
When is the last time you saw Floyd take some one out with a body shot?
1822?
Cotto would take Olden Boy to school and make him quit on his stool.
There are plenty of fighters who Floyd could not hurt or take out and yet Cotto came by and destroyed the SHIET out of them.
Case in point?
Victoriano Sosa
DeMarcus Corley
Zab Judah (Cotto finished him, Floyd didn't)
Floyd at the time claimed Justin Juuko was the toughest fighter he had faced and yet Cotto took him out in 5. Floyd took 9
The record has shown that any fighter PBF can beat, Miguel can beat them better and sooner.
Oscar would be no different. Cotto at this point would man handle the old man and yet Floyd will dance for 12.
...you forgot to add "...and BARELY WIN"
Oh right I forgot it was a split decision and that was no beating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Floyd has been given two gifts in his career.
Castillo 1
ODLH 1
It has always been said by the purist if not the purist at heart, that you have to BEAT the champion and Floyd did not beat anything but his puny little chest before and after the fight but during the fight he beat nothing.
I know Cotto can take the Olden one out ;)
....I just wish Cotto would have fought Hatton first....it wouldn't have taken so damn long to end the fight.
Floyd is very skilled but why so cocky when there are a plethera of WORTHY fighters at his weight just sitting waiting for him to fight them.
My big issue with Floyd is that he COULD be the greatest, he has the opportunity but he's not taking it. I mean are you telling me having Cotto, Williams, Margarito, Mosley, and other big names on his resume wouldn't solidify his place at the top if he was able to beat those guys??? This is why I think Floyd is more PRIZE and less fighter
Cotto/Hatton would have been a better fight. I mean having to watch Floyd run from Hatton all night and ducking below Hatton's waist the entire fight was a bit over done. Floyd only caught Ricky after Ricky was tired. Cotto would have taken little Ricky out in 5 ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I will give credit to Floyd for the knock out but Floyd kept throwing that check hook over and over and over again and he missed a lot. He threw them like hail Mary's (So much for the accurate great one here) If Ricky had not chased Floyd around for 10 rounds it might have been a different fight even more boring ;D Had Ricky not chased Floyd around the ring and into the corners, Ricky would not even have been knocked out. It would have went down as another pretty boring fight by Pretty Boring Floyd.
I have plenty of theories of how to fight PBF but no one seems to be able to impliment them other than Miguel Cotto.
Cotto isn't one to get involved in the prefight hype....he's a stone faced killer.
If you're going to push Floyd to the ropes, don't let him turn you OR escape.
If you're trying to stalk him down, take your time, don't rush into anything or he'll counter you...fight at your pace because Floyd let's other fighters control the pace because he hardly ever chooses to engage first.
You HAVE to bully Floyd, foul him, elbow him, take him out of his regular game....don't lose points just do enough to piss him off or scare him....throw him to the ground if he initiates a clinch.
If Cotto hits him on his arms enough, that defense of his will fail and those quick counters either won't be as quick or won't be as hard
Basically you either have to fight like Tommy Hearns or Roberto Duran
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl_l7P5T8qsQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Well this basicly explains what Floyd is all about.
He is nothing more than an opportunist
He uses his speed to be tricky. He throws shots when you are not prepared. One of his greatest slick moves is to hit you ASAP after a break. Most fighters pause after a break and that is when Floyd strikes.
He tried and tried to hit Ricky with that hail Mary and after 10 rounds it worked. There was nothing really fancy about Floyd maybe round 5 and 9 other than that, he was shiet ducking below the waist of his opponet the entire fight. Don't chase Floyd so much and he will not look so good either ;D
Funny how Floyd talks about a fighter Cotto destroyed. I know Cotto was caught with a temple shot but Chop chop also had Floyd hurt too. Bottom line is Cotto took Chop Chop out and Floyd couldn't.
They're both excellent liver punchers. They have so much power with their left hands coz they're both natural leftys - fighting in conventional stand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny_G
I am frankly very sick & tired of Delahypa and his Diva mentality.This guy needs to back the f!!! up and pick a career for s!!! sake already.
Maybe he should enter the election and go for President while he's at it??Egomaniac.
If an unknown guy like Torres gave trouble to Cotto with a few punches imagine what ODLH can do. Wasn't Torres the guy that made Cotto dance across the ring with a flurry of punches? Imagine if it was ODLH. Cotto has got rocked or cut in many fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Silly China. Who won that fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
Sit down.
Torres is a Champion today. Heavy handed kid.
Cotto still went to war. Cotto is a gladiator.
I am not say ODLH isn't. I am saying ODLH is not the same young man he once was and Cotto would eat the old man up.
Silly Chinita, who won?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
UR dis-missed.
;D
Why if this fighter is so flawed, are ODLH and PBF avoiding him today?
FEAR!
ODLH: "My wife wont let me fight anymore Puerto Ricans"
;D
Floyd: "I'm retired. I am a wrestla' now.
;D
I am dismissed?...*Chino walks out of the room*...*thinks about it and comes back*
Silly Danielle, just shows how Cotto is not as perfect as many want to make him sound. I agree ODLH has shown flaws but so does Cotto. In many of his fights he gets easily cut and even rocked by journeymen. Now, someone made a good pint and I agreed about what would happen if he got hit with a nice body punch, sure, fair enough. But now I make the same question, what would happen if those flurry of punches that rained on Cotto before from different journeymen came from ODLH or Mayweather? See what I mean?
Mayweather and ODLH has faced EVERYONE out there, specially ODLH. Just look at his resume. Waiting for a fighter to make his name more marketable is a smart move to make an extra buck, who wouldn't do that?
Cotto easily cut? In many of his fights?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
When did he start cutting?
Urkal
Urkal head butted Cotto for 11 rounds.
Judah hit him with that sneaky upper that cut him
Head butt with Judah caused a cut
Mosley head butt caused a cut
Lip is still soft from Judah and Cotto will probably still cut but he will still win.
Cotto has only been cut in his last three fights and this only because he has not let his cuts heal. He has been fighting about 4 times a year.
Corley had Mayweather hurt a couple of times. Same journey man that hurt Mayweather hurt Cotto.
Zab Judah gave Floyd a hell of a fight and even knocked Floyd down. Same journey man hurt Cotto a couple of times.
Torres rocked Cotto and Torres has a heavy hand. Torres is a champion today.
:cool: Hey Chino, i readed some of your thread and i see that you are SPECULATING too much my friend ..... i agree that ODLH is good with the Straight-Forward boxers , but ODLH isnt the same like before , now he is out of his Prime and he changed his style too , if you think that he can fight the same way, when he fought to Trinidad ; believe me that he cant make it , that is why he changed his style with less movement , With less movement do you think that he can hold of Cotto body punches? Dont think that ODLH is the same like before , he get yet a good condition but with Cotto he has less probability for win , im sure about that......:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
Every time you see Miguel Cotto cut or bruised, look across the ring.
Each time the other guy has looked three times as bad.
;D:coolclick: hitmandonny , thats are a things that they arent saying , and is true that sometimes Cotto get hurt, but is fighting , not running.......;DQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
True Macho, Cotto is a warrior.
Macho,Quote:
Hey Chino, i readed some of your thread and i see that you are SPECULATING too much my friend ..... i agree that ODLH is good with the Straight-Forward boxers , but ODLH isnt the same like before , now he is out of his Prime and he changed his style too , if you think that he can fight the same way, when he fought to Trinidad ; believe me that he cant make it , that is why he changed his style with less movement , With less movement do you think that he can hold of Cotto body punches? Dont think that ODLH is the same like before , he get yet a good condition but with Cotto he has less probability for win , im sure about that......
Sure, ODLH is not the same as before but still he's probably one of the few who was not easily beaten by Mayweather (a questionable split decision). Everybody else, except Castillo I, have been beaten by Mayweather with no question. Now, you did watch the video, right? I have seen people almost say that Cotto is perfect. When ODLH faced Mayweather and I rooted for ODLH it was not like I said "Oh, ODLH will win, period" no no no, I agreed on his weaknesses and strenghths, same thing for Mayweather. I agree about ODLH having his flaws but people simply can't see any in Cotto and Pac. I don't get it.
People have spoken crap about fighters that I like and I write why I disagree with certain comments and that's it. It's not like I send them nasty private messages or make a big drama about it. I am glad you can debate just fine.
Hi Chino, other point is , althought you see a boxer that get hurt , is good because you can evaluate the quality of the boxer of how he can manage when he are in bad situation and survive in the battle . That is why all Cotto fans like him , because he aproved all that you will espect of a boxers , so i asking you ; Do you espect of ODLH will handle an a bad situation and survive like a Champ in a real battle ? We saw it with Bernard Hopkins and i know that was in different Division , but What do you think?........:cool: Dont misunderstand me i dont want let you know that ODLH isnt good , man......he is a real Champ and im a real fan of him too , just im a realist fans that see that he is little out of his Prime , thats all.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino