Malignaggi-Hatton close, Paulie praises Hatton and calls him a "Great champion".

I bet Joe Cortez doesn't referee the Paulie fight.

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I bet Joe Cortez doesn't referee the Paulie fight.

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Paulie better hope they dont use Dave Parris!

Hatton on UD he will outwork Paulie but Hatton will be made to miss in the early rounds.Cotto couldnt stop PM so carnt see Hatton doing it.

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Pretty ballsy of Hatton since I think Malignaggi has the potential to make him look stupid. If he had a bit more power I doubt this fight would even be considered by the Hatton camp. Looking forward to this one.

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Just beacuse he ain't facing Witter means he's ducking everybody else ?? this is the guy who fought Collazo, Castillo, Mayweather and Tzsyu right?? :rolleyes:

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Wow, you can't even give Hatton a compliment for doing something without his bumboys coming out and crying about it! I give Hatton props for his guts and making a good fight so whats the problem? I said Paulie had the 'potential' to make his look silly which is true..he certainly does.

Also, I am not a 'Hatton Hater' but everybody who makes a valid criticism of him immediately gets dismissed as one. For example, I was one of the one's who thought Hatton nicked it against Collazo. I scored the rounds even and gave it to him with the benefit of the first round knockdown. I would also place him higher than Margarito in terms of achievments and opposition faced. Margarito along with Hatton are probably 2 of the most overrated fighters here imo.

CFH, good posting mate. Spot on about national pride being a factor when people talk up Ricky.

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In my eyes Harris isnt enough for me and Witter has never taken a BIG risk in his career. He nearly got beaten by Colin Lynes and to say this man will easily smash Hatton is beyond me to be honest. .

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Lmao, that's a joke right? A prime Zab Judah on 2 weeks notice isn't a big enough risk for you??
Colin Lynes is no bum either..He would give anyone problems at 140 imo because he's so technically sound.

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I dont even bother with Hatton threads anymore, for the simple fact most of the people on here are far too arogant towards him and think people like Witter would beat him.

After the Tszyu fight I would say about 99% of the people on here would back Hatton to stop Witter early. But now I say most of the people would have Witter stopping him now, its really bullshit to be honest. Hatton showed real balls by moving up against the best fighter in the world and losing a fight where he knew he ' 0 ' was very likely to go. I respect him very much for that because I would have preferd to see him lose that fight then stay at 140 and fight not so good fighters.

Now that hes lost I believe any fighter needs to get that hunger and burning desire back in them. Going straight from the off to fighter argubly the number 2 in the weight class isnt the best choice in my opinion. He needs the confidence booster and I believe that he will get it from Juan Lazcano. Lazcano I do admit it a had been but he still wont be going all the way to manchester to get KTFO early I can tell you that. I think he can bring a good fight to Ricky and I feel Ricky will be able to stop him and get his self belief back that he is the best at 140 and he simply did loose to p4p number 1 in the world.

Witter I feel needs to show that he can attract more attention to his own fan base and name in America to prove that he truely is number 2 in the weight class, and not just because hes number 2 because hes proved it, but shown the people that he is number 2 and will bring exciment to a Hatton fight. If Witter was to fight Hatton in May and Witter looses to him easily what would you all say then? I would love to see some of the replies we would get on here about him, and see how they can turn it against Ricky. Personally I do want a Junior Witter showdown, but at this time I really dont want it. I want both men to be unifying the devision and let it really be the ultimate number 1 and the number 2. That way it will generate a lot more money for both men and attract a lot more customers for the promoters etc. The show down could take place in England and would be a major event for 2009. Both men need to have BIG wins on thier records this year. If Ricky beats Paulie and gets in another win and gets a belt this will set him up for this Witter show down. Junior NEEDS a big named fighter as well to assert the fact he DESERVES this shot and always has done. If he gets himself another belt against Torres or Rees I believe hes done enough to show he can fight against Ricky.

Hatton-Witter is the biggest fight at 140 IMO and I dont want it to happen too early. I want this one to be hyped up and both men fully up for it. At this momment Hatton needs confidence and Witter needs another belt or a big name. In my eyes Harris isnt enough for me and Witter has never taken a BIG risk in his career. He nearly got beaten by Colin Lynes and to say this man will easily smash Hatton is beyond me to be honest. Just give it time for this fight to unfold, I sense Ricky has this one planned for the right time when he knows he can generate the most money from it. Let him get his head back and get back on the winning ways and let 2008 unfold for both Witter and Hatton to make sure their 2009 showdown can take place, for all 4 belts and the ring magazine championship of the world.

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I'm sure the Witter-Hatton fight will happen as soon as Witter wins the obligatory Hatton eliminator against Ngoudjo.

Anyway, on a serious note, I'm one of the guys who wants him to face Witter, but I can't knock Haton though if he wants to fight Paulie first. BTW is there anyone genuinely excited about the prospect of a Hatton-Paulie fight? I reckon it'll be like an episode of the A-team, action packed but at the end of the day no one gets hurt.

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Pretty ballsy of Hatton since I think Malignaggi has the potential to make him look stupid. If he had a bit more power I doubt this fight would even be considered by the Hatton camp. Looking forward to this one.

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Just beacuse he ain't facing Witter means he's ducking everybody else ?? this is the guy who fought Collazo, Castillo, Mayweather and Tzsyu right?? :rolleyes:

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Lefty, don't you ever put Collazo's name next to Castillo, Mayweather and Tzsyu;D

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Pretty ballsy of Hatton since I think Malignaggi has the potential to make him look stupid. If he had a bit more power I doubt this fight would even be considered by the Hatton camp. Looking forward to this one.

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Just beacuse he ain't facing Witter means he's ducking everybody else ?? this is the guy who fought Collazo, Castillo, Mayweather and Tzsyu right?? :rolleyes:

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Lefty, don't you ever put Collazo's name next to Castillo, Mayweather and Tzsyu;D

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In respect for Collazo he is and was a tough oppoennt for Hatton, natural welterweight, southpaw etc

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Just beacuse he ain't facing Witter means he's ducking everybody else ?? this is the guy who fought Collazo, Castillo, Mayweather and Tzsyu right?? :rolleyes:

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Lefty, don't you ever put Collazo's name next to Castillo, Mayweather and Tzsyu;D

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In respect for Collazo he is and was a tough oppoennt for Hatton, natural welterweight, southpaw etc

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You guys need to see more collazo fights, the guy is the real deal. You'll see in time but for now.. you should check some of his fights and see how great the guy is. ;):)

He'll be up there with Tszyu and castillo soon

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Lefty, don't you ever put Collazo's name next to Castillo, Mayweather and Tzsyu;D

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In respect for Collazo he is and was a tough oppoennt for Hatton, natural welterweight, southpaw etc

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You guys need to see more collazo fights, the guy is the real deal. You'll see in time but for now.. you should check some of his fights and see how great the guy is. ;):)

He'll be up there with Tszyu and castillo soon

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If I was you I'd tell that dufus in your sig to fix his grammar. You're intsead of your :rolleyes:

Malignaggi is pretty decent with some good boxing skills and slickness, but he has no power so Hatton will be able to walk right through his shots, but Paulie will make Hatton look bad and he will give Hatton some problems but i see Hatton winning a clear cut decision.

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Collazo was thought to be a easy fight - he almost stopped Hatton and got robbed, Castillo was regarded by the majority of people as being well past his prime when Hatton fought him. Tzsyu, IMO, was a great victory, the best Hatton has ever looked but you'll find those who can make a good case for Tzsyu being well past it and there for the taking. We all know what Mayweather did to Hatton. Hatton's record is somewhat unimpressive considering his glorified standing.
For the record, I quite like Hatton and I have almost always cheered for him in his fights, but he is one the most overrated boxers around.

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It amazes me how someone like Tony Margarito can get credit on this forum for doing pretty much shit all in his career. Hatton has achieved more yet gets bagged on.

I understand what you're saying, but nobody had ever knocked Castillo out before Hatton took him out. It's your opinion he got robbed by Collazo. The majority felt he just won it. I think people think this because Collazo came close when he had no business doing so. He's the top man at 140. He's no welter. He was beaten soundly by Floyd, but he's still a great fighter.

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I know what you mean, and I should be clear that I'm not trying to slag Hatton, I like him and I am a fan of his. He is a great fighter, but I also feel that he is tremendously overrated, particularily by his fanboys (not say your are one, you've always come across as very objective) who proliferate throughout this site (though for some reason there have been a lot fewer of them around since Dec. 8 ). I would also rate him much higher than I do Margarito. People use the defense of Hatton not being a natural welter, well neither is Floyd. Floyd is probably naturally much lighter than Hatton, so that argument holds no water with me. Hatton was simply out-classed and beat by a better fight, the best in the world, so there are no excuses needed there IMO.
In regards to Collazo and Castillo: Plenty of people were ripped Castillo and calling him shot, and past it etc. after his fight with Njoudjo (sp?). Also, after the Callazo fight I remember sentiment being pretty divided in regards to who won the fight, I certainly do not remember the majority of people (at least those with objective view points) saying that Hatton won the fight.

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Disagree Collazo didn't get robbed, that was fight was about as close as you could get. I have watched it many times and i have had different scorecard every time. Just depends on what you look for in fights, Hatton landing more punches and forcing the action constantly, or Collazo's more cleaner and more eye catching punches.

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In respect for Collazo he is and was a tough oppoennt for Hatton, natural welterweight, southpaw etc

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You guys need to see more collazo fights, the guy is the real deal. You'll see in time but for now.. you should check some of his fights and see how great the guy is. ;):)

He'll be up there with Tszyu and castillo soon

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If I was you I'd tell that dufus in your sig to fix his grammar. You're intsead of your :rolleyes:

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Yeah i'll just go ahead and do that while you go inform ricky that his surname isnt fatton..

So whats your problem?.. You have to change the subject to my sig just because i get the feeling a couple guys here prob only ever seen Luis Collazo fight hatton and mosely..

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You guys need to see more collazo fights, the guy is the real deal. You'll see in time but for now.. you should check some of his fights and see how great the guy is. ;):)

He'll be up there with Tszyu and castillo soon

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If I was you I'd tell that dufus in your sig to fix his grammar. You're intsead of your :rolleyes:

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Yeah i'll just go ahead and do that while you go inform ricky that his surname isnt fatton..

So whats your problem?.. You have to change the subject to my sig just because i get the feeling a couple guys here prob only ever seen Luis Collazo fight hatton and mosely..

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His fight with Jose Antonio Rivera was a war.

that is great news, hatton would win late stoppage, or UD

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Just beacuse he ain't facing Witter means he's ducking everybody else ?? this is the guy who fought Collazo, Castillo, Mayweather and Tzsyu right?? :rolleyes:

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Lefty, don't you ever put Collazo's name next to Castillo, Mayweather and Tzsyu;D

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In respect for Collazo he is and was a tough oppoennt for Hatton, natural welterweight, southpaw etc

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I never said he wasn't a good fighter... Everyone take it easy;D:cool:

I'd like to see a Hatton-Paulie fight (esp after seeing Paulie-Cotto) but still think Hatton would have too much for him. Witter is all talk and is overated imo and he needs to generate some interest before he goes anywhere near Hatton. The light-Welter divison is pretty poor though and Welter is where you need to be. He should have stayed there and tried for fight against Cotto, Mosely or maybe a rematch with Floyd.

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Lefty, don't you ever put Collazo's name next to Castillo, Mayweather and Tzsyu;D

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In respect for Collazo he is and was a tough oppoennt for Hatton, natural welterweight, southpaw etc

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You guys need to see more collazo fights, the guy is the real deal. You'll see in time but for now.. you should check some of his fights and see how great the guy is. ;):)

He'll be up there with Tszyu and castillo soon

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Collazo is the real deal.

He gave Hatton one hell of a fight.

People only talk about how Shane beat him easy but it was actually a level fight until Collazo fractured his hand. Strange how nobody ever talks about that :confused:

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I got Hatton over Witter everyday of the week, but Malignaggi is too fast and too gifted to overlook and INO he would beat Hatton UD!!!!

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Paulie could barely get by Herman N'Doo Doo. What makes you think he can UD Hatton in Manchester?

Hatton will beat Lazcano then beat Paulie. I can not see Paulie beating him based on his performance against Herman. One thing I do know is that Paulie will be in the best shape of his life against Hatton and will pose a decent moving target. If Hatton gets frustrated like he did against Mayweather then he could get cut. Again though, A Hatton victory for me.

As for Hatton v Witter, I look forward to this one in 2009. If Hatton retires without facing Witter, unless Witter losses badly soon, then only then will I say Hatton ducked him.

HATTON WOULD CRUMBLE MALIGNAGGI IN SIX ROUNDS,NO DOUGHT ABOUT IT!!HE'S AN EASIER OPPONENT THAN WITTER!:lickish:

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In my eyes Harris isnt enough for me and Witter has never taken a BIG risk in his career. He nearly got beaten by Colin Lynes and to say this man will easily smash Hatton is beyond me to be honest. .

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Lmao, that's a joke right? A prime Zab Judah on 2 weeks notice isn't a big enough risk for you??
Colin Lynes is no bum either..He would give anyone problems at 140 imo because he's so technically sound.

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And what happend to witter in that fight!? he lost... so the risk was totally pointless and a very unnesaccary loss in my eyes.

Im A HUGE Malignaggi fan, but I think Ricky takes this one. Paulie is slick but he isn't skilled on the inside like Floyd. I see Ricky closing the distance and eating him up.

Some of you guys forget how good Ricky really is. Just because Floyd made him look bad doesn't mean he is bad. Paulie is a real good fighter but he's no Floyd.

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It amazes me how someone like Tony Margarito can get credit on this forum for doing pretty much shit all in his career. Hatton has achieved more yet gets bagged on.
I understand what you're saying, but nobody had ever knocked Castillo out before Hatton took him out. .

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Disagree Collazo didn't get robbed, that was fight was about as close as you could get. I have watched it many times and i have had different scorecard every time. Just depends on what you look for in fights, Hatton landing more punches and forcing the action constantly, or Collazo's more cleaner and more eye catching punches.

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I gotta point a few things out here:
First,all but ONE of Castillo's 7 losses are by KO/TKO
Margarito is a THUDDING puncher. That has been quoted by most of his opponents. He fought basically everyone who wanted a shot(which was few)and th eonly belt holder with balls enuff to give Williams a shot.
Lastly,if you are getting a different score EACH time you score a fight,then you are not doing a proper job and you should not count your tally. NEVER adjust your criteria,the judges don't get to.

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Disagree Collazo didn't get robbed, that was fight was about as close as you could get. I have watched it many times and i have had different scorecard every time. Just depends on what you look for in fights, Hatton landing more punches and forcing the action constantly, or Collazo's more cleaner and more eye catching punches.

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I gotta point a few things out here:
First,all but ONE of Castillo's 7 losses are by KO/TKO
Margarito is a THUDDING puncher. That has been quoted by most of his opponents. He fought basically everyone who wanted a shot(which was few)and th eonly belt holder with balls enuff to give Williams a shot.
Lastly,if you are getting a different score EACH time you score a fight,then you are not doing a proper job and you should not count your tally. NEVER adjust your criteria,the judges don't get to.

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I explained this badly. Castillo had never previously been beaten by a KO. They were all TKO/cuts stoppages previously. Nobody had ever kept the man down for a ten count.

As for Tony, say what you like about willingness, but you get credit for what you do in your career, not what you want to do. Yeah he was ballsy enough to give Williams a shot, but he lost the fight. People have knocked Hatton for his loss to Mayweather, who is the best in the friggin world. My point is, people are rating Margo higher when he's actually done less in his career. I just think the mentality of some people on here is pretty fucking stupid at times.

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I gotta point a few things out here:
First,all but ONE of Castillo's 7 losses are by KO/TKO
Margarito is a THUDDING puncher. That has been quoted by most of his opponents. He fought basically everyone who wanted a shot(which was few)and th eonly belt holder with balls enuff to give Williams a shot.
Lastly,if you are getting a different score EACH time you score a fight,then you are not doing a proper job and you should not count your tally. NEVER adjust your criteria,the judges don't get to.

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I explained this badly. Castillo had never previously been beaten by a KO. They were all TKO/cuts stoppages previously. Nobody had ever kept the man down for a ten count.

As for Tony, say what you like about willingness, but you get credit for what you do in your career, not what you want to do. Yeah he was ballsy enough to give Williams a shot, but he lost the fight. People have knocked Hatton for his loss to Mayweather, who is the best in the friggin world. My point is, people are rating Margo higher when he's actually done less in his career. I just think the mentality of some people on here is pretty fucking stupid at times.

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These are very good points... I was just watching Castillo Johnson last night... Castillo of old was fantastic... All heart.

I agree with the Tony comment. He is rated high for not just what he's done but how he's been avoided. He is a dangerous fighter and people mistake being dangerous for being better. I like Tony a lot but don't quite rate him as high as most people. I appreciate the fact he gave Williams a shot and it shows that he's in it to win it but at the end of the day... It doesn't make him a better fighter. It earns him fans though. I respect him for that. I pic him over Cintron again.

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HATTON WOULD CRUMBLE MALIGNAGGI IN SIX ROUNDS,NO DOUGHT ABOUT IT!!HE'S AN EASIER OPPONENT THAN WITTER!:lickish:

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If Cotto couldnt stop PM dont think Hatton will be able to do it.

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HATTON WOULD CRUMBLE MALIGNAGGI IN SIX ROUNDS,NO DOUGHT ABOUT IT!!HE'S AN EASIER OPPONENT THAN WITTER!:lickish:

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If Cotto couldnt stop PM dont think Hatton will be able to do it.

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I disagree. Cotto at 147 is much better than Cotto at 140. Cotto puts more power behind his shots now. Ricky is better at 140 and against guys at the weight, his power tells more. I wouldn't rule out a stoppage.

I'm here.

At this stage every Hatton fight is a blessing. The man will not be around for much longer, so we shall enjoy it while it lasts.

Whats another blessing is the shallow limits of the light welters at the moment. This should see us being presented Hatton v Malignaggi, Witter & Torres in the next two years. Holt may be thrown in there too.

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HATTON WOULD CRUMBLE MALIGNAGGI IN SIX ROUNDS,NO DOUGHT ABOUT IT!!HE'S AN EASIER OPPONENT THAN WITTER!:lickish:

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If Cotto couldnt stop PM dont think Hatton will be able to do it.

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Ngoody-gumdrops came pretty close to stopping him.

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I explained this badly. Castillo had never previously been beaten by a KO. They were all TKO/cuts stoppages previously. Nobody had ever kept the man down for a ten count.

As for Tony, say what you like about willingness, but you get credit for what you do in your career, not what you want to do. Yeah he was ballsy enough to give Williams a shot, but he lost the fight. People have knocked Hatton for his loss to Mayweather, who is the best in the friggin world. My point is, people are rating Margo higher when he's actually done less in his career. I just think the mentality of some people on here is pretty fucking stupid at times.

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Good points. BTW,overlook me sometimes when I seem kinda sharp in my comments. I can't seem to get my personality to translate to type the way I intend to,lol. I've been reading a few replies that I posted around this board and I may owe a few apologies. I am a diabetic and that often controls my mentality as much as my blood sugar.

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Good points. BTW,overlook me sometimes when I seem kinda sharp in my comments. I can't seem to get my personality to translate to type the way I intend to,lol. I've been reading a few replies that I posted around this board and I may owe a few apologies. I am a diabetic and that often controls my mentality as much as my blood sugar.

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I wouldn't worry about it. Nobody has complained and I haven't seen any evidence of you being a tool at any time. Just good debate. Keep it up...oh yeah, and agree with me all the time and you'll always be right.

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Why all the digs at Ricky? I get bored of hearing the same old arguments about a guy that has proven world class ability.

He's fighting one of the best at 140 before the year end, and I doubt he'd retire without fighting Witter. I can't believe people think a fight with Witter would be close. Junior isn't in the same class. Name one genuine threat that Witter has beaten?

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Disagree Collazo didn't get robbed, that was fight was about as close as you could get. I have watched it many times and i have had different scorecard every time. Just depends on what you look for in fights, Hatton landing more punches and forcing the action constantly, or Collazo's more cleaner and more eye catching punches.

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I gotta point a few things out here:
First,all but ONE of Castillo's 7 losses are by KO/TKO
Margarito is a THUDDING puncher. That has been quoted by most of his opponents. He fought basically everyone who wanted a shot(which was few)and th eonly belt holder with balls enuff to give Williams a shot.
Lastly,if you are getting a different score EACH time you score a fight,then you are not doing a proper job and you should not count your tally. NEVER adjust your criteria,the judges don't get to.

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Castillo was never KO'd until he met Hatton, plus Castillo had never been on the deck until he fought Hatton. All of Castillo's losses until he met Hatton were either cut stoppages or being stopped on his feet. And why are you mentioning Castillo in the first place ?? i said Collazo not Castillo. What i meant to say is that Hatton vs Collazo is a kind of fight that you could score differently each every time. There are a few close rounds that could of gone either way thats the beauty of watching fights many times and scoring it differently. I only scored 1 round different im not talking about major changes in my scoring.

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Castillo was never KO'd until he met Hatton, plus Castillo had never been on the deck until he fought Hatton. All of Castillo's losses until he met Hatton were either cut stoppages or being stopped on his feet. And why are you mentioning Castillo in the first place ?? i said Collazo not Castillo. What i meant to say is that Hatton vs Collazo is a kind of fight that you could score differently each every time. There are a few close rounds that could of gone either way thats the beauty of watching fights many times and scoring it differently. I only scored 1 round different im not talking about major changes in my scoring.

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I was actually replying to a reply from someone who quoted you earlier I believe,lol. The other poster had just worded something a little funny saying Castillo had only one KO/TKO loss where seven were present.

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I was actually replying to a reply from someone who quoted you earlier I believe,lol. The other poster had just worded something a little funny saying Castillo had only one KO/TKO loss where seven were present.

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That was me. A rare moment when I was wrong, lol.