Malignaggi-Hatton close, Paulie praises Hatton and calls him a "Great champion".

[CFH]

Pretty ballsy of Hatton since I think Malignaggi has the potential to make him look stupid. If he had a bit more power I doubt this fight would even be considered by the Hatton camp. Looking forward to this one.

Just beacuse he ain't facing Witter means he's ducking everybody else ?? this is the guy who fought Collazo, Castillo, Mayweather and Tzsyu right??

Collazo was thought to be a easy fight - he almost stopped Hatton and got robbed, Castillo was regarded by the majority of people as being well past his prime when Hatton fought him. Tzsyu, IMO, was a great victory, the best Hatton has ever looked but you'll find those who can make a good case for Tzsyu being well past it and there for the taking. We all know what Mayweather did to Hatton. Hatton's record is somewhat unimpressive considering his glorified standing.
For the record, I quite like Hatton and I have almost always cheered for him in his fights, but he is one the most overrated boxers around.

[bzkfn]

Pretty ballsy of Hatton since I think Malignaggi has the potential to make him look stupid. If he had a bit more power I doubt this fight would even be considered by the Hatton camp. Looking forward to this one.

Just beacuse he ain't facing Witter means he's ducking everybody else ?? this is the guy who fought Collazo, Castillo, Mayweather and Tzsyu right??

Collazo was thought to be a easy fight - he almost stopped Hatton and got robbed, Castillo was regarded by the majority of people as being well past his prime when Hatton fought him. Tzsyu, IMO, was a great victory, the best Hatton has ever looked but you'll find those who can make a good case for Tzsyu being well past it and there for the taking. We all know what Mayweather did to Hatton. Hatton's record is somewhat unimpressive considering his glorified standing.
For the record, I quite like Hatton and I have almost always cheered for him in his fights, but he is one the most overrated boxers around.

It amazes me how someone like Tony Margarito can get credit on this forum for doing pretty much shit all in his career. Hatton has achieved more yet gets bagged on.

I understand what you're saying, but nobody had ever knocked Castillo out before Hatton took him out. It's your opinion he got robbed by Collazo. The majority felt he just won it. I think people think this because Collazo came close when he had no business doing so. He's the top man at 140. He's no welter. He was beaten soundly by Floyd, but he's still a great fighter.

[CFH]

Just beacuse he ain't facing Witter means he's ducking everybody else ?? this is the guy who fought Collazo, Castillo, Mayweather and Tzsyu right??

Collazo was thought to be a easy fight - he almost stopped Hatton and got robbed, Castillo was regarded by the majority of people as being well past his prime when Hatton fought him. Tzsyu, IMO, was a great victory, the best Hatton has ever looked but you'll find those who can make a good case for Tzsyu being well past it and there for the taking. We all know what Mayweather did to Hatton. Hatton's record is somewhat unimpressive considering his glorified standing.
For the record, I quite like Hatton and I have almost always cheered for him in his fights, but he is one the most overrated boxers around.

It amazes me how someone like Tony Margarito can get credit on this forum for doing pretty much shit all in his career. Hatton has achieved more yet gets bagged on.

I understand what you're saying, but nobody had ever knocked Castillo out before Hatton took him out. It's your opinion he got robbed by Collazo. The majority felt he just won it. I think people think this because Collazo came close when he had no business doing so. He's the top man at 140. He's no welter. He was beaten soundly by Floyd, but he's still a great fighter.

I know what you mean, and I should be clear that I'm not trying to slag Hatton, I like him and I am a fan of his. He is a great fighter, but I also feel that he is tremendously overrated, particularily by his fanboys (not say your are one, you've always come across as very objective) who proliferate throughout this site (though for some reason there have been a lot fewer of them around since Dec. 8 ). I would also rate him much higher than I do Margarito. People use the defense of Hatton not being a natural welter, well neither is Floyd. Floyd is probably naturally much lighter than Hatton, so that argument holds no water with me. Hatton was simply out-classed and beat by a better fight, the best in the world, so there are no excuses needed there IMO.
In regards to Collazo and Castillo: Plenty of people were ripped Castillo and calling him shot, and past it etc. after his fight with Njoudjo (sp?). Also, after the Callazo fight I remember sentiment being pretty divided in regards to who won the fight, I certainly do not remember the majority of people (at least those with objective view points) saying that Hatton won the fight.

[bzkfn]

At the time I didn't see it too divided, but it seems to get brought up alot now. I think there are excuses made for Ricky, but it's more people sticking with their fighter till the end. I don't ever remember so much euphoria for one fighter in this country. Not even Bruno. The natural welter thing I understand. Ricky himself admitted that after Collazo, he wouldn't fight at welter but him and Billy fancied the Floyd job as Floyd isn't really a welter. Ricky has lost once, to the closest fighter to perfect I have ever seen and I think there are too many haters coming forward and using that to suggest Ricky aint shit, which is the biggest lot of bollocks I've ever heard.

Don't get me wrong, I'm knocking having a dig at you specifically CFH, but any thread with "Hatton" mentioned draws the haters like a moth to a flame.

[CFH]

At the time I didn't see it too divided, but it seems to get brought up alot now. I think there are excuses made for Ricky, but it's more people sticking with their fighter till the end. I don't ever remember so much euphoria for one fighter in this country. Not even Bruno. The natural welter thing I understand. Ricky himself admitted that after Collazo, he wouldn't fight at welter but him and Billy fancied the Floyd job as Floyd isn't really a welter. Ricky has lost once, to the closest fighter to perfect I have ever seen and I think there are too many haters coming forward and using that to suggest Ricky aint shit, which is the biggest lot of bollocks I've ever heard.

Don't get me wrong, I'm knocking having a dig at you specifically CFH, but any thread with "Hatton" mentioned draws the haters like a moth to a flame.

I know you're not taking shots at me man, I'm certainly not trying to disrespect Hatton either, I know he's good. I just don't think he's as good as he's made out to be. There's certainly no shame in losing to PBF, but in my mind at least, the Collazo fight demonstrated that Hatton is not the fighter he is made out to be.
Nationalistic sentiment seems to cloud the judgement of many people, and I don't just mean in regards to Hatton.

[bzkfn]

At the time I didn't see it too divided, but it seems to get brought up alot now. I think there are excuses made for Ricky, but it's more people sticking with their fighter till the end. I don't ever remember so much euphoria for one fighter in this country. Not even Bruno. The natural welter thing I understand. Ricky himself admitted that after Collazo, he wouldn't fight at welter but him and Billy fancied the Floyd job as Floyd isn't really a welter. Ricky has lost once, to the closest fighter to perfect I have ever seen and I think there are too many haters coming forward and using that to suggest Ricky aint shit, which is the biggest lot of bollocks I've ever heard.

Don't get me wrong, I'm knocking having a dig at you specifically CFH, but any thread with "Hatton" mentioned draws the haters like a moth to a flame.

I know you're not taking shots at me man, I'm certainly not trying to disrespect Hatton either, I know he's good. I just don't think he's as good as he's made out to be. There's certainly no shame in losing to PBF, but in my mind at least, the Collazo fight demonstrated that Hatton is not the fighter he is made out to be.
Nationalistic sentiment seems to cloud the judgement of many people, and I don't just mean in regards to Hatton.

You're spot on there.

[Fenster]

We all knew Ricky was being lined up for the Powderpuff fight back in the States.. thats why so many fans of a Witter-Hatton match were disappointed with the "gimme" in May.

I'm sure the majority of boxing fans (not Hatton lovers who would obviously prefer to watch Hatton win regardless of how uncompetitive the fight is) would have been happy for Ricky to have the onesided bullying exhibition followed by Witter.

Bullying exhibition followed by Powderpuff.. so what

[The Rela]

Aye it certainly is fashionable to criticise Ricky at the minute and a lot of people are saying he'd lose against Witter (I don't think he would) or lose against Malignagi - (again I don't think he'd lose that one either).

Ricky is an exciting boxer imo and that's good for boxing.

However, PPV for his next fight is fooking ludicrous. People will buy this fight, but not me. To pay �20 or whatever it is, to see him fight someone who hasn't fought for over a year is crazy.

[CFH]

Aye it certainly is fashionable to criticise Ricky at the minute and a lot of people are saying he'd lose against Witter (I don't think he would) or lose against Malignagi - (again I don't think he'd lose that one either).

Ricky is an exciting boxer imo and that's good for boxing.

However, PPV for his next fight is fooking ludicrous. People will buy this fight, but not me. To pay �20 or whatever it is, to see him fight someone who hasn't fought for over a year is crazy.

I would favor Hatton to beat both fighters, but it's by no means a foregone conclusion. I'd give Witter a better chance at beating him than Malignaggi, but both hypothetically could defeat Hatton.

[Saddo]

Ricky is an exciting boxer imo and that's good for boxing.

However, PPV for his next fight is fooking ludicrous. People will buy this fight, but not me. To pay �20 or whatever it is, to see him fight someone who hasn't fought for over a year is crazy.

class post good to see it isnt just me and fenster that sees this

[bzkfn]

Ricky is an exciting boxer imo and that's good for boxing.

However, PPV for his next fight is fooking ludicrous. People will buy this fight, but not me. To pay �20 or whatever it is, to see him fight someone who hasn't fought for over a year is crazy.

class post good to see it isnt just me and fenster that sees this

I agree. Although I've just paid �150 to go watch this live. Its more because I've followed his whole career, and never been to see him fight once and I'll be pissed if I never get the chance. I tried for his last 3 fights and couldn't get tickets at all.

[ICB]

Collazo was thought to be a easy fight - he almost stopped Hatton and got robbed, Castillo was regarded by the majority of people as being well past his prime when Hatton fought him. Tzsyu, IMO, was a great victory, the best Hatton has ever looked but you'll find those who can make a good case for Tzsyu being well past it and there for the taking. We all know what Mayweather did to Hatton. Hatton's record is somewhat unimpressive considering his glorified standing.
For the record, I quite like Hatton and I have almost always cheered for him in his fights, but he is one the most overrated boxers around.

It amazes me how someone like Tony Margarito can get credit on this forum for doing pretty much shit all in his career. Hatton has achieved more yet gets bagged on.

I understand what you're saying, but nobody had ever knocked Castillo out before Hatton took him out. It's your opinion he got robbed by Collazo. The majority felt he just won it. I think people think this because Collazo came close when he had no business doing so. He's the top man at 140. He's no welter. He was beaten soundly by Floyd, but he's still a great fighter.

I know what you mean, and I should be clear that I'm not trying to slag Hatton, I like him and I am a fan of his. He is a great fighter, but I also feel that he is tremendously overrated, particularily by his fanboys (not say your are one, you've always come across as very objective) who proliferate throughout this site (though for some reason there have been a lot fewer of them around since Dec. 8 ). I would also rate him much higher than I do Margarito. People use the defense of Hatton not being a natural welter, well neither is Floyd. Floyd is probably naturally much lighter than Hatton, so that argument holds no water with me. Hatton was simply out-classed and beat by a better fight, the best in the world, so there are no excuses needed there IMO.
In regards to Collazo and Castillo: Plenty of people were ripped Castillo and calling him shot, and past it etc. after his fight with Njoudjo (sp?). Also, after the Callazo fight I remember sentiment being pretty divided in regards to who won the fight, I certainly do not remember the majority of people (at least those with objective view points) saying that Hatton won the fight.

Disagree Collazo didn't get robbed, that was fight was about as close as you could get. I have watched it many times and i have had different scorecard every time. Just depends on what you look for in fights, Hatton landing more punches and forcing the action constantly, or Collazo's more cleaner and more eye catching punches.

[noskill]

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It amazes me how someone like Tony Margarito can get credit on this forum for doing pretty much shit all in his career. Hatton has achieved more yet gets bagged on.
I understand what you're saying, but nobody had ever knocked Castillo out before Hatton took him out. .

Disagree Collazo didn't get robbed, that was fight was about as close as you could get. I have watched it many times and i have had different scorecard every time. Just depends on what you look for in fights, Hatton landing more punches and forcing the action constantly, or Collazo's more cleaner and more eye catching punches.

I gotta point a few things out here:
First,all but ONE of Castillo's 7 losses are by KO/TKO
Margarito is a THUDDING puncher. That has been quoted by most of his opponents. He fought basically everyone who wanted a shot(which was few)and th eonly belt holder with balls enuff to give Williams a shot.
Lastly,if you are getting a different score EACH time you score a fight,then you are not doing a proper job and you should not count your tally. NEVER adjust your criteria,the judges don't get to.

[bzkfn]

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Disagree Collazo didn't get robbed, that was fight was about as close as you could get. I have watched it many times and i have had different scorecard every time. Just depends on what you look for in fights, Hatton landing more punches and forcing the action constantly, or Collazo's more cleaner and more eye catching punches.

I gotta point a few things out here:
First,all but ONE of Castillo's 7 losses are by KO/TKO
Margarito is a THUDDING puncher. That has been quoted by most of his opponents. He fought basically everyone who wanted a shot(which was few)and th eonly belt holder with balls enuff to give Williams a shot.
Lastly,if you are getting a different score EACH time you score a fight,then you are not doing a proper job and you should not count your tally. NEVER adjust your criteria,the judges don't get to.

I explained this badly. Castillo had never previously been beaten by a KO. They were all TKO/cuts stoppages previously. Nobody had ever kept the man down for a ten count.

As for Tony, say what you like about willingness, but you get credit for what you do in your career, not what you want to do. Yeah he was ballsy enough to give Williams a shot, but he lost the fight. People have knocked Hatton for his loss to Mayweather, who is the best in the friggin world. My point is, people are rating Margo higher when he's actually done less in his career. I just think the mentality of some people on here is pretty fucking stupid at times.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

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I gotta point a few things out here:
First,all but ONE of Castillo's 7 losses are by KO/TKO
Margarito is a THUDDING puncher. That has been quoted by most of his opponents. He fought basically everyone who wanted a shot(which was few)and th eonly belt holder with balls enuff to give Williams a shot.
Lastly,if you are getting a different score EACH time you score a fight,then you are not doing a proper job and you should not count your tally. NEVER adjust your criteria,the judges don't get to.

I explained this badly. Castillo had never previously been beaten by a KO. They were all TKO/cuts stoppages previously. Nobody had ever kept the man down for a ten count.

As for Tony, say what you like about willingness, but you get credit for what you do in your career, not what you want to do. Yeah he was ballsy enough to give Williams a shot, but he lost the fight. People have knocked Hatton for his loss to Mayweather, who is the best in the friggin world. My point is, people are rating Margo higher when he's actually done less in his career. I just think the mentality of some people on here is pretty fucking stupid at times.

These are very good points... I was just watching Castillo Johnson last night... Castillo of old was fantastic... All heart.

I agree with the Tony comment. He is rated high for not just what he's done but how he's been avoided. He is a dangerous fighter and people mistake being dangerous for being better. I like Tony a lot but don't quite rate him as high as most people. I appreciate the fact he gave Williams a shot and it shows that he's in it to win it but at the end of the day... It doesn't make him a better fighter. It earns him fans though. I respect him for that. I pic him over Cintron again.