Antonio Margarito is the real deal and I'm just a hatin fool for not recognizing.

I really admire Gomez , he did a thing that some other boxers don't have the COJONES for do , he also never disrespect Cotto and that's count , that show the quality of person that you are and i hope he could improve more in boxing ............and getting better about his condition.....:cool:

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Alfonso Gomez had fought at 160 so don't give me that "he had no business being in the ring with Cotto" bs!


Sure Floyd is technically skilled and has great handspeed and a different kind of power than Cotto or Toni but I just think he's a fragile fighter and no one has really put him to the test other than an old De la Hoya and hell I think Floyd was lucky to get away with that fight with a 0 in the loss column. Oscar didn't try to punish Floyd...everyone wants to work in around Floyd's defense via the jab and combinations....Miguel will beat up the defense and Floyd will take punishment either on his defense or through his defense.


Cotto is waiting to be an attractive fight for Floyd....and that is smart because when Floyd wants to fight HIM and not the other way around Cotto then holds all the cards and can affect the amount of money he's going to get AND more importantly the size of the ring.

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I guess it's easy to say, after the fact, that Gomez had no business being in with Cotto{seeing as how it went down}. I just never personally really thought he had a chance in hell to win that fight.

All credit to Gomez for taking the shot given to him, and best wishes to him, but he was so outclassed as to almost be criminal. But I guess those things happen. I think Gomez would have done better to get a couple of other fights with, say, Cintron or Clottey, etc., before trying to get in with Miguel. Kind of like Hatton fighting Collazo, then Urango and Castillo and thinking he could go to war against Floyd?? Kind of putting the horse before the cart. I understand though the financial/notoriety gains from doing those kinds of things, but looked how it ended up working out...pretty bad. I wonder if Gomez wishes now he had maybe climbed the ladder a little more cautiously. All respect to him though.

Some very good posting in this thread.

I don't think Margarito's win has any bearing on how I look at his loss to Williams. He beat Cintron before he fought Williams and Williams beat Cintron with movement, the same way Floyd would beat Margarito imo. When Margarito had his high spots in the Williams fight, it wasn't because Margarito all the sudden tried to fight, it was because Williams was getting flatfooted and wasn't able to provide the same movement. I think a rematch goes pretty much the same way.

That's not to discredit Margarito though, really, who didn't expect this? We all knew Tony hit hard, Cintron was more game and was able to land more punches but this didn't look all to different from the first fight. Tony was better technically but like p4pking said earlier, everything this night went completely as expected. Don't know why people would think otherwise.

I agree with Lyle in that Cotto is going to pick Margarito apart. I think Margarito is going to be able to scare him a few times throughout the fight but Margarito isn't exactly a short puncher and Cotto blocks punches very well from the outside, it's the inside and while setting up that he gets tagged the most. I think Cotto will get inside the long punches of Margarito and cash his check to the body. Don't think anybody is ever going to stop Margarito, but Cotto has a better chance then anyone because he goes to the body.

This is going to be a great fight though. Tony did look good but don't think he beats Cotto.

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Yeah - Margarito was mightily impressive, and I got the feeling that Cintron is just made for him. Antonio has one hell of a chin and is a tough tough guy .... someone like Cintron, who is such a big hitter that he relies on it will always come unravelled by Antonio.

The immovable object beat the irresistible force last night.

To beat margarito, you either have to outslick him and win on points or you have to get his respect.

It will be a great fight against Cotto, and I would not discount Margarito breaking Cotto's heart as well?

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I agree entirely.
Cotto and Margarito would be a War. One of these warriors has got to have what it takes to trouble PBF

I say if Cotto KO's Margarito then Floyd will most definantly retire and for good reason

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Cotto was at 140 vs Malinaggi and fought a round then took a round off, he's a lot more comfortable at 147 as you can see. Judah was moving away from Cotto the whole time and Miguel had to stalk him down. N'Dou has never been stopped, and neither has Shane Mosley.


Margarito COULD stay away however Tony doesn't fight like that he has to brawl and vs Cotto it's suicide, it has been for every guy who has fought Cotto.


And even when Cotto DOESN'T stop someone he beats the CRAP out of them, breaking bones...look at their faces hell look at Cotto-Branco he stopped him on a punch to the freaking shoulder!!!

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Mosley was stopped by Vernon Forest. However NDOU hasn't been stopped, but to my knowledge hasn't foughten any big punchers except Cotto.

I definitely think Cotto will bust Tony up,but I think Tony will be returning the fire, especially in the form of uppercuts. And Margarito has never been stopped either and his whole career has been at welterweight. I still don't think Paul Williams beating Margarito was a fluke... Paul's footwork early didn't allow Tony to get off to a quick start, and Margarito is so limited athletically I think great athletes like COtto and Mayweather could avoid a lot of his punches, and counter where nobody else could.

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Mosley was dropped x2 by Forrest but he wasn't stopped he has never ever been stopped.

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Alfonso Gomez had fought at 160 so don't give me that "he had no business being in the ring with Cotto" bs!


Sure Floyd is technically skilled and has great handspeed and a different kind of power than Cotto or Toni but I just think he's a fragile fighter and no one has really put him to the test other than an old De la Hoya and hell I think Floyd was lucky to get away with that fight with a 0 in the loss column. Oscar didn't try to punish Floyd...everyone wants to work in around Floyd's defense via the jab and combinations....Miguel will beat up the defense and Floyd will take punishment either on his defense or through his defense.


Cotto is waiting to be an attractive fight for Floyd....and that is smart because when Floyd wants to fight HIM and not the other way around Cotto then holds all the cards and can affect the amount of money he's going to get AND more importantly the size of the ring.

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Your wrong on all accounts. First of all Oscar did try to punish Floyd, he isn't a dirty fighter, but he was trying to get Floyd on the ropes and do everything he could to rough Mayweather up. As for nobody ever really testing Mayweather, have you seen more than like his last 4 fights? Here are the guys who tested him, or tried to

Demarcus Corley
Emmanuel Burton(watch this fight before you even start to talk)
Corrales tried to, but Mayweather movement was too good for him, and could be for COtto as well.
Castillo x 2
Victoriano Sosa
Jesus Chavez
Ricky Hatton(he was trying to rough Mayweather up on the inside, and he wasn't able to do that at all)

All of these guys tried to fight a tough fight with Mayweather and all of them failed. Castillo got away with murder in terms of punching and holding in Mayweather-Castillo I and thats where a lot of his punches in punchstat were given to him, but he still lost that fight by a round, and the second fight by 4 or 5 rounds.

Oscar didn't really Mayweather even close to a lot of these fights that had Mayweather bleeding from the nose, and an eye, and he, FLoyd, never folded once. Also when Mayweather broke his hand against Hernandez he finished the fight even though he severly broke his left hand.

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Mosley has NEVER been stopped...he's been knocked down but NEVER stopped....you had best check your facts before you post them.


You don't uppercut a guy who throws hooks like Cotto without leaving yourself wide damn open.

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YOur right about the Mosley thing, my bad, but I am getting the feeling you have never boxed before, everything about Cotto's style from where he holds his hands and his head to the hooks that he throws sets him up for uppercuts. Margarito being so much taller has the perfect leverage to get off those powerful uppercuts in close or when Cotto comes in, and an uppercut thrown properly gets there before a hook, and if you throw it properly does more damage because it actually snaps the head more than any other punch which means it rattles the brain more than any other punch, but along the way its good for busting up mouths which Cotto has had problems with, and breaking noses. If Cotto's nose is broken and he's bleeding inside his lip he is in deep shit.

I have boxed before thank you very much.

De la Hoya and all the rest of the fighters you mentioned wanted to work through Floyd's defense....Miguel Cotto is not going to do that.

When I say "work through the defense" I mean find openings and set up your punches like any normal fighter and any normal fight. The thing is Floyd isn't any normal fighter and when you're fighting him it's not going to be any normal fight. Miguel Cotto is going to hit Floyd Mayweather Jr. where ever he wants to AND it's going to hurt.

No De la Hoya isn't a dirty fighter and it did come back to kind of hurt him...people want Floyd to sit still or stop throwing punches so they can hit him...that is where the timing comes into play and Floyd like any fighter has tendencies and things he likes to do and it's up to Cotto to figure out how to make him pay for those tendencies.


As for Margarito he's tall, he fights short...it's never a positive thing to do to give up your height. He has long arms and he likes fighting on the inside....when is that good to do? What good is being 5'11 vs a shorter fighter if you're not going to use it. As for Margarito's defense he likes to have his hands straight up and down and a little bit apart...when you're in a crouch and you have a guard like that what punch would YOU throw against him? UPPERCUT especially if he's coming forward! You throw that land effectively and his arms close up a little bit to try and stop you and then it's time for the left hook to start landing.

Sure Cotto is going to have to bring his defensive 'A game' but his defense has shown to be more effective than Margarito's....correct me if I'm wrong but Cotto has shown what a good boxer he is in his last couple of fights. And he can move and use defense to block punches, his cross blocking is perfect to block any uppercuts. And vs uppercuts you can counter a number of ways but look at Ali-Frazier I, the knockdown was an Uppercut vs a Hook and the hook landed first, it was a different fight and a different style matchup BUT YES the hook can counter the uppercut.

But hey that's just my opinion, if you want to be an asshole and bring things up like "I am getting the feeling you have never boxed before" then fine but I believe everything I have listed gives a good account of the style matchup everyone can expect. You go ahead and tell me where I am wrong but I swear I'll be right in someone else's opinion and you'll be right in another because very few things are concrete in boxing when it comes to strategy, it's like rock, paper, scissors...something always balances another thing out. I am just giving my opinion...so don't be a dick

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I have boxed before thank you very much.

De la Hoya and all the rest of the fighters you mentioned wanted to work through Floyd's defense....Miguel Cotto is not going to do that.

When I say "work through the defense" I mean find openings and set up your punches like any normal fighter and any normal fight. The thing is Floyd isn't any normal fighter and when you're fighting him it's not going to be any normal fight. Miguel Cotto is going to hit Floyd Mayweather Jr. where ever he wants to AND it's going to hurt.

No De la Hoya isn't a dirty fighter and it did come back to kind of hurt him...people want Floyd to sit still or stop throwing punches so they can hit him...that is where the timing comes into play and Floyd like any fighter has tendencies and things he likes to do and it's up to Cotto to figure out how to make him pay for those tendencies.


As for Margarito he's tall, he fights short...it's never a positive thing to do to give up your height. He has long arms and he likes fighting on the inside....when is that good to do? What good is being 5'11 vs a shorter fighter if you're not going to use it. As for Margarito's defense he likes to have his hands straight up and down and a little bit apart...when you're in a crouch and you have a guard like that what punch would YOU throw against him? UPPERCUT especially if he's coming forward! You throw that land effectively and his arms close up a little bit to try and stop you and then it's time for the left hook to start landing.

Sure Cotto is going to have to bring his defensive 'A game' but his defense has shown to be more effective than Margarito's....correct me if I'm wrong but Cotto has shown what a good boxer he is in his last couple of fights. And he can move and use defense to block punches, his cross blocking is perfect to block any uppercuts. And vs uppercuts you can counter a number of ways but look at Ali-Frazier I, the knockdown was an Uppercut vs a Hook and the hook landed first, it was a different fight and a different style matchup BUT YES the hook can counter the uppercut.

But hey that's just my opinion, if you want to be an asshole and bring things up like "I am getting the feeling you have never boxed before" then fine but I believe everything I have listed gives a good account of the style matchup everyone can expect. You go ahead and tell me where I am wrong but I swear I'll be right in someone else's opinion and you'll be right in another because very few things are concrete in boxing when it comes to strategy, it's like rock, paper, scissors...something always balances another thing out. I am just giving my opinion...so don't be a dick

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Hey bro.....i think this guy owe you a real REP man......;D

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Everything about this match intrigues me. I know Cotto can beat Tony but it wont be easy. It will be a war from start to finish and neither fighter is going to go out like a punk bitch. I just know that Cotto has more tools and will use them all to take Tony's belt. This will set up another match against Quintana and Cotto will have three trinkets and then we call out Floyd Bedwetter Jr., in which Floyd will retire and vacate the belt and then JT Rock will run around saying that Cotto never beat any legitimate fighter who had this belt or that belt. ;D Cotto unifies and then later dumps the belts to avoid paying sanctioning fees and holds onto either the WBO or the WBA which he is fond of most since the WBC belt has been tainted by RING and Floyd Bedwetter Jr.

Floyd will retire and will be found taking showers with the big show and Triple H on WWE ;D All of Floyd's fans will abandon boxing to watch Floyd play make believe and then they will tell the world wrestling is real a la Majesty.

...wasn't he pondering a move to MMA??? If he gets a tribal tatoo then we all know what he's going to do ;D

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...wasn't he pondering a move to MMA??? If he gets a tribal tatoo then we all know what he's going to do ;D

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Hell, Cintron already has a tribal tat and a wrestling background; hope he takes his a## over there to MMA{though I love MMA}. He can get owned over there to:D

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...wasn't he pondering a move to MMA??? If he gets a tribal tatoo then we all know what he's going to do ;D

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Hell, Cintron already has a tribal tat and a wrestling background; hope he takes his a## over there to MMA{though I love MMA}. He can get owned over there to:D

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Not the way he can punch....those guys in MMA are bigger douchebags and drama queens than anyone in boxing INCLUDING Floyd Mayweather

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...wasn't he pondering a move to MMA??? If he gets a tribal tatoo then we all know what he's going to do ;D

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Hell, Cintron already has a tribal tat and a wrestling background; hope he takes his a## over there to MMA{though I love MMA}. He can get owned over there to:D

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No doubt. Wetsy-betsy all ready has the whole bend over at the waist thing down to a tee.....frontaly and from the rear :-X:-X

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...wasn't he pondering a move to MMA??? If he gets a tribal tatoo then we all know what he's going to do ;D

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Hell, Cintron already has a tribal tat and a wrestling background; hope he takes his a## over there to MMA{though I love MMA}. He can get owned over there to:D

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Not the way he can punch....those guys in MMA are bigger douchebags and drama queens than anyone in boxing INCLUDING Floyd Mayweather

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Yeah, there are some dumbells in the UFC and other organizations; but there are some bad asses as well. Cintron could be a threat depending on how deep his ground game goes, and he will always have a punchers chance. I can think of a few that would break him though. Obviously you're not a fan of MMA:D

...no I am not a fan, I think all the guys who do MMA are assholes and they have Mommy issues...hence the tough guy act, the tatoos, and the adolescent attitudes.


Take a good hard look at Matt Hughes and tell me he's not a total douchebag.

people are forgetting that cintron is TERRIBLE ;)

He's not "terrible" he's just not on Margarito's level is all. The guy can win SOME fights vs good opponents at welterweight.

I for one would be VERY interested in a Cintron-Quintana match or a Cintron-Collazo match

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Margarito is a truely dangerous animal.
How this will match up with 2008's terminator, Miguel Cotto I'm not sure.

Margaito put on a fearsome display, taking monstrous shots, seemingly unaffected and plundering on to a huge victory.
(I'm very glad he beat Cintron.)

Cotto however showed something different for me. He showed boxing ability, as well as explosive power.

If and when they fight, I fully expect a thriller, but I do feel that Cotto, although smaller, shades a victory.

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I agree with you Donny. Whilst I agree Margarito looked like a monster I actually felt Cotto put on the better performance.

Cintron we always knew folds under pressure and I don't think his punching power is quite as good as people claim. Margarito took not even one 10th of the flush shots that Jesse Feliciano took, he was literally eating them up for 10 rounds and Cintron still couldn't put him down.

Although the Gomez fight was a mismatch Gomez has been able to hang with much bigger men than Cotto. I certainly didn't expect him to get blown away and beaten down as easily as Cotto did.

and it wasn't just power punching it was a perfect complete boxing performance. It reminded me a lot of Floyd's clinical dismantling of Sharmba Mitchell in his first fight at welter, just faster to the punch, more accurate, sharp stinging jabs.

It was a faultess performance against an overmatched but still game and solid opponent.

If/when they do get it on I'm expecting one hell of a fight.

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I have boxed before thank you very much.

De la Hoya and all the rest of the fighters you mentioned wanted to work through Floyd's defense....Miguel Cotto is not going to do that.

When I say "work through the defense" I mean find openings and set up your punches like any normal fighter and any normal fight. The thing is Floyd isn't any normal fighter and when you're fighting him it's not going to be any normal fight. Miguel Cotto is going to hit Floyd Mayweather Jr. where ever he wants to AND it's going to hurt.

No De la Hoya isn't a dirty fighter and it did come back to kind of hurt him...people want Floyd to sit still or stop throwing punches so they can hit him...that is where the timing comes into play and Floyd like any fighter has tendencies and things he likes to do and it's up to Cotto to figure out how to make him pay for those tendencies.


As for Margarito he's tall, he fights short...it's never a positive thing to do to give up your height. He has long arms and he likes fighting on the inside....when is that good to do? What good is being 5'11 vs a shorter fighter if you're not going to use it. As for Margarito's defense he likes to have his hands straight up and down and a little bit apart...when you're in a crouch and you have a guard like that what punch would YOU throw against him? UPPERCUT especially if he's coming forward! You throw that land effectively and his arms close up a little bit to try and stop you and then it's time for the left hook to start landing.

Sure Cotto is going to have to bring his defensive 'A game' but his defense has shown to be more effective than Margarito's....correct me if I'm wrong but Cotto has shown what a good boxer he is in his last couple of fights. And he can move and use defense to block punches, his cross blocking is perfect to block any uppercuts. And vs uppercuts you can counter a number of ways but look at Ali-Frazier I, the knockdown was an Uppercut vs a Hook and the hook landed first, it was a different fight and a different style matchup BUT YES the hook can counter the uppercut.

But hey that's just my opinion, if you want to be an asshole and bring things up like "I am getting the feeling you have never boxed before" then fine but I believe everything I have listed gives a good account of the style matchup everyone can expect. You go ahead and tell me where I am wrong but I swear I'll be right in someone else's opinion and you'll be right in another because very few things are concrete in boxing when it comes to strategy, it's like rock, paper, scissors...something always balances another thing out. I am just giving my opinion...so don't be a dick

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I am not trying to an asshole about the boxing thing, but in the gym you find pretty quickly that how Cotto holds his hands(beside his head) he eats uppercuts all day, Mosley when he threw the few he did landed them, Judah landed them when he threw them, even Gomez landed an uppercut or two in their fight even though he couldn't land anything else Torrest ripped Cotto a new one with uppercuts. That IMO is the only punch that really lands on Cotto effectively because the right hand over top is usually hitting his glove, and or the top of his head which doesn't really hurt, and only really skilled boxers can time it so they hit Cotto just as he's throwing his punches, Mosley was able to do that, but I doubt Margarito has the skill to do this.

AS for Mayweather vs Cotto what is Cotto going to do if he isn't going to work through Mayweather's defense? Hatton had a unique ability to land punches as well, also was a good body puncher, and Mayweather totally limited Hatton's connect % to only 18. Both Oscar and Hatton had way more footspeed than Cotto which allowed them to keep Floyd against the ropes.
Now where it gets interesting is Mayweather is able to avoid punches no matter who he is fighting he figures how to avoid being hit very often. Judah was hitting him early with 57% of his powerpunches, but by the end it was down to 29%, and in the last round he missed almost every power punch he threw. I think earlier on Mayweather needed to get used to Judah's speed and the fact Mayweather was closing the distance when usually its the other fighter.
Now what makes this interesting is that Cotto has been able to land solid shots on everyone he has faced. He has faced slick fighters in Judah, Malignaggi, and Mosley(sort of), and he has been able to hit them all early. Now none of these guys are particularly great defensively though Mosley used to have a lot better defense when he was younger, Judah doesn't switch up his defense so its easy to figure him out because he doesn't use a lot of head movement, and he never really brought his right hand up to block Cotto's jab. Maglinaggi probably had the best defense of all three of them at this point in their careers and Cotto hit him easily. However Mayweather is a whole other story, he is the only one who has better timing than Cotto, and speed, and didn't crack under the pressure(like Judah who had the other two components). Mayweather loves going backwards unlike two of these three fighters, and Paulie fought aggressively against Cotto because, I assume, of the early cut. This leads me to believe Mayweather who has faced a lot more good offensive fighters will find a way to negate Cotto's offense, because while Cotto has one of the best offenses today Mayweather has one of the three best defenses ever(along with Pep and Whitaker)

Have some rep on me JT,nice to know that you see something in Tony and aren't afraid to admit. You've slated that guy alot in the past,as have most posting in this thread so it's cool to see.

Amat and P4P King,I disagree that we didn't see anything new. Margarito was jabbing quite a bit. His handspeed looked slightly quicker(still not great but trust me,it was better than usual) and he was using head movement after he realised Kermit would just keep pumping the jab.He also started quciker. Those are improvements imo. And sure he was favourite to win but after round 1,I was getting nervous!He adjusted well to get onto the inside.

Someone with slick movement and good jab would cause him problems but I wouldn't discount him. The 2 guys that have beante him:Williams(threw 1,2000 plus punches,was taller,bigger) and Santos(Tony should have gotten the decision,Santos was MUCH bigger), you're not going to find 2 guys like that at WW.

I actually did notice the head movement, he did a bit of bobbing and weaving and thought he intergrated that pretty well on the inside. And I was wrong, he can punch short on the inside but I think the smaller Cotto will still be able to slip and block most everything and punch in between Margarito's long punches.

I don't remember Torres throwing one single uppercut. He threw right crosses and left hooks because Cotto's hands come down to block uppercuts as he's moving in. Sure Judah caught him with an uppercut and Mosley might have a time or two but did Cotto go down? If you have Cotto hurt, and you try to put him away you're still going to get nailed in return.

Ricky Hatton = Junior Welterweight


Miguel Cotto hits people and doesn't care WHERE only that the punch causes damage....if you can stop a guy with a punch to the shoulder then you've shown me Floyd's defense shouldn't bother you.

Hasn't everyone Cotto has fought cemented their right hand to their chin and hasn't the majority of those fighters ended their fights with Cotto with broken jaws and disfigured faces?

Unlike anyone else Floyd has fought Miguel Cotto doesn't rely on ONE PUNCH he's going to beat you up AND he's not going to as Ricky Hatton and De la Hoya did abandon the body attack....he's never going to do it and Floyd has never been attacked to the body the way Cotto is going to attack him.

Sure you have a right to see what Floyd offers but don't just pooh pooh what Miguel Cotto can do to Floyd Mayweather.

Lyle,

You are a one trick pony and a pathetic one at that, you personify the typical loudmoth ignorant pinnacle of Douchebaggery...

You are on everyone that fights Mayweathers nutz, as some bionic hero, you say the same stupid shitt everytime, no wonder why you are such a political whoremonger since your message is as unoriginal, misleading and empty as your political views and ideas...

Here is a sample of Lyles drivel everytime he analyzes Mayweathers opponent or potential opponent.. Note its the same exact Bullshit with just a different name inserted to the begining of the sentence

"No one is gonna attack Mayweathers body like this guy"

"No one is gonna manhandle Mayweather like this guy"

"This guy is gonna crack Mayweathers Defense"

"Mayweather is a fragile fighter":rolleyes:....... as much as this statement is ridiculous and as so removed from reality, its an indictment on your lack of knowledge


So Einstein in your infinite wisdom you fail to realize the facts of Floyds skill..

1) Is in ring intelligence and pre-gameplan execution is 2nd to none not to mention his ability to adapt and adjust is on par with some of the Greats of the past 30 or so years.

2)His defense is top 5 of the past 30 years on par with Whitaker, Wright, Hopkins and Toney.. And none of these guys are on the level of transitioning their defense to offense as good as Floyd, to the degree that he is the quickest and most agile out of the bunch

3) His accuracey combined with speed dont make him a concussive puncher, but he is a sharp stinging puncher that makes ALL of his opponents leary of opening up as the fight progresses for fear of what Floyd will return with... Floyd busts his opponents up throwing half the amount of punches..

4) Floyds fast accurate punches get through holes in defense as well as defenses because of his pinpoint accuracey

5) Floyd is as resilient as they come he has displayed mental and physical toughness time and time again...

6) Floyd DOES NOT rely on athletic ability and reflexes 1st. He relies on technical savy and fundemantal brilliance foremost and then supplements with athletic ability, so if he wasnt at his physical peak for a fight it wouldnt be detrimental to him ALA Roy Jones.

7) Floyds boxing pedigree speaks for itself

Lyle,
you forget Floyd is no gonna sit there and let his opponent hit him with his hands down what makes Floyd the best is that he fights his own fight no matter what nor does he get rattled no matter the circumstance and he makes the added adjustments that are needed to prevail

I can go on and on but reasoning with you is like reasoning with a zip lock freezer bag

I was impressed with tony as well, Mostly because he continued to plow forward while getting hit a couple of times each round by some big shots from cintron, tony was just absolutly convinced that no matter how hard kermit may hit they were not going to affect him, you heard some pretty big oooooohhhhh's at my house from time to time but tony just smiled and threw.....i think he may be a little to slow to beat cotto but other than that who knows what could happen.

Well look both Teath and Jt i not going to say PBf is not a great he is somewhere in top 25 or 30 and he beat some good names and really is fighting over his best weight. But i think Cotto while find a way to end his reign if they ever fight personal i think the fight wont happen for a few years. I think some how Oscar at 35 going to put one last performance and beat Floyde some and then they rematch. So by 2010 or 2011 i think Cotto while have fixed his flaws enough to beat Floyde i wish Cotto the best hope he wins the fight but i going to have to wait to see it but i can wait and it will happen and hope Cotto does not let me done hasn't dispointed me yet.

Margarito is a Dangerous fight for anyone, i disliked him before because of his fans but once i started watching more of his fights i gained respect for him

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Lyle,
you forget Floyd is no gonna sit there and let his opponent hit him with his hands down what makes Floyd the best is that he fights his own fight no matter what nor does he get rattled no matter the circumstance and he makes the added adjustments that are needed to prevail

I can go on and on but reasoning with you is like reasoning with a zip lock freezer bag

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How many fighters finish their careers unbeaten and on top?


Would or would not Miguel Cotto be the most menacing puncher Floyd Mayweather Jr. has ever fought?


I am glad you can notice some similarities in my posts about PBF but he WILL lose, I've always said Cotto was going to be tough for him and even if he was able to beat Cotto he will have been in an actual fight for once in his pathetic career.


JT sure Floyd has skill but he SPLIT DECISIONED Oscar De la Hoya...it took him 11 Rounds to stop Ricky Hatton a JUNIOR WELTERWEIGHT. So you keep right on thinking that Mayweather is the greatest of all time.....all I want is for that punk ass to fucking challenge himself...I'd like to see him get his loud mouth wired shut by Cotto but hey just fighting the guy shows Mayweather actually has SOME guts....but I guess we'll just have to watch Floyd vs De la Hoya II the fight everyone wants to see :beat:

Tony IS the most proven welterweight in the world and so deserves his shot at the best fighter in the world.

im sure the Cotto fans will probably disagree with me but Margarito has done far more to earn a shot at Mayweather than Cotto has.
what true welterweights has Cotto faced?
Quintana ,Mosley (a natural lightweight really) and that farce against Gomez.
Margarito deserves a shot a lot more than Miguel does but nobody is coming on websites arguing Tony`s case the way they do with Cotto. i think thats what mayweather was talking about when he said "nobody knows Margarito".
from a financial perspective what he said makes perfect sense if you think about it.The Margarito v Cotto fight is a perfect match to build up the winners profile going into a match with Floyd.
personally i think Tony will be too rugged and strong for Cotto.
i also think he`s the only welter out there that would have a chance with Floyd.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

Lyle,
you forget Floyd is no gonna sit there and let his opponent hit him with his hands down what makes Floyd the best is that he fights his own fight no matter what nor does he get rattled no matter the circumstance and he makes the added adjustments that are needed to prevail

I can go on and on but reasoning with you is like reasoning with a zip lock freezer bag

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How many fighters finish their careers unbeaten and on top?


Would or would not Miguel Cotto be the most menacing puncher Floyd Mayweather Jr. has ever fought?


I am glad you can notice some similarities in my posts about PBF but he WILL lose, I've always said Cotto was going to be tough for him and even if he was able to beat Cotto he will have been in an actual fight for once in his pathetic career.


JT sure Floyd has skill but he SPLIT DECISIONED Oscar De la Hoya...it took him 11 Rounds to stop Ricky Hatton a JUNIOR WELTERWEIGHT. So you keep right on thinking that Mayweather is the greatest of all time.....all I want is for that punk ass to fucking challenge himself...I'd like to see him get his loud mouth wired shut by Cotto but hey just fighting the guy shows Mayweather actually has SOME guts....but I guess we'll just have to watch Floyd vs De la Hoya II the fight everyone wants to see :beat:

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are you for real??????
mayweathers "pathetic career"
Mayweather cleaned up the junior lightweight and lightweight divisions in his career.what divisions has Cotto proved himself the best in?????
NONE
this Cotto worshipping is becoming a fucking joke.
he`s proven nothing yet in his career.
do you honestly think Cotto is a more "menacing " puncher than De La Hoya????? are you sick in the fucking head??????
if Bob Arum thought Cotto could beat Mayweather the fight would`ve happened by now. watch how Cotto struggled with Demarcus Corley............and even Judah. Mayweather would box his ears off

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Originally Posted by ds91

Margarito is a Dangerous fight for anyone, i disliked him before because of his fans but once i started watching more of his fights i gained respect for him

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Fair enough bro,good to see you like him now though.

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Originally Posted by barrykil1980

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

Lyle,
you forget Floyd is no gonna sit there and let his opponent hit him with his hands down what makes Floyd the best is that he fights his own fight no matter what nor does he get rattled no matter the circumstance and he makes the added adjustments that are needed to prevail

I can go on and on but reasoning with you is like reasoning with a zip lock freezer bag

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How many fighters finish their careers unbeaten and on top?


Would or would not Miguel Cotto be the most menacing puncher Floyd Mayweather Jr. has ever fought?


I am glad you can notice some similarities in my posts about PBF but he WILL lose, I've always said Cotto was going to be tough for him and even if he was able to beat Cotto he will have been in an actual fight for once in his pathetic career.


JT sure Floyd has skill but he SPLIT DECISIONED Oscar De la Hoya...it took him 11 Rounds to stop Ricky Hatton a JUNIOR WELTERWEIGHT. So you keep right on thinking that Mayweather is the greatest of all time.....all I want is for that punk ass to fucking challenge himself...I'd like to see him get his loud mouth wired shut by Cotto but hey just fighting the guy shows Mayweather actually has SOME guts....but I guess we'll just have to watch Floyd vs De la Hoya II the fight everyone wants to see :beat:

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are you for real??????
mayweathers "pathetic career"
Mayweather cleaned up the junior lightweight and lightweight divisions in his career.what divisions has Cotto proved himself the best in?????
NONE
this Cotto worshipping is becoming a fucking joke.
he`s proven nothing yet in his career.
do you honestly think Cotto is a more "menacing " puncher than De La Hoya????? are you sick in the fucking head??????
if Bob Arum thought Cotto could beat Mayweather the fight would`ve happened by now. watch how Cotto struggled with Demarcus Corley............and even Judah. Mayweather would box his ears off

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Then you are a Joke already by worshiping Floyd

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Originally Posted by amat

I actually did notice the head movement, he did a bit of bobbing and weaving and thought he intergrated that pretty well on the inside. And I was wrong, he can punch short on the inside but I think the smaller Cotto will still be able to slip and block most everything and punch in between Margarito's long punches.

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Cotto's defence is good but he's no Pernell. He eats shots and he'll be eating Tony's shots too. Listen,he'll try to box but when you have a freocious Mexican chasing after you,in a Mexico v PR title fight,and you're getting tagged time and time again,defence will go out of the window.:D:D I hope Marg jumps on him from the opening round,makes him fight a war. Remember,even if Cotto does box,Tony is so much bigger and longer,Cotto will still be blocking long and looping right hands!

Number 1 weapon for Tony=UPPERCUT!! Cotto is open to it,the way he places his hands. Judah has shown it too.

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Originally Posted by barrykil1980

Tony IS the most proven welterweight in the world and so deserves his shot at the best fighter in the world.

im sure the Cotto fans will probably disagree with me but Margarito has done far more to earn a shot at Mayweather than Cotto has.
what true welterweights has Cotto faced?
Quintana ,Mosley (a natural lightweight really) and that farce against Gomez.
Margarito deserves a shot a lot more than Miguel does but nobody is coming on websites arguing Tony`s case the way they do with Cotto. i think thats what mayweather was talking about when he said "nobody knows Margarito".
from a financial perspective what he said makes perfect sense if you think about it.The Margarito v Cotto fight is a perfect match to build up the winners profile going into a match with Floyd.
personally i think Tony will be too rugged and strong for Cotto.
i also think he`s the only welter out there that would have a chance with Floyd.

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You're post is on the mark, everybody is completely consumed by a Cotto V Mayweather fight that they are completely discounting Margarito; as if Cottos next was another Gomez! Cotto looked good in that fight but he would not get away with all s!@# he was pulling against Marg. IMO Marg is stronger and his workrate destroys Cotto's. Now dont get me wrong Cotto isnt gonna take it lying down, but if you think about the things that have given Marg a hard time (slickness, speed, and distance) are not things that Cotto possesses. Maybe some slickness he showed that in the Mosley fight. But his main tool is preassure, how are you gonna preassure a guy that laughs at punches?! Cintron had no heart but he doesnt hit like a girl and Marg laughed!! When Marg. knocked him down he was begging for him to get up! he wanted to continue punishing him. Make no mistake about it this is the hardest fight Cotto will ever face and he may not get away with it.

Its gonna be awesome!

Tony Margarito is a bonafide bada$$. There are boxers and then there are FIGHTERS. Tony is the latter. Watching Tony fight, it's somewhat mystifying how good he is. Here's a guy who's slow, awkward, unathletic, throws wide punches but somehow he gets the job done.

From a purely logical standpoint, Cotto should win a hard fought UD. He is quicker, more athletic, and more naturally talented than Tony. Yet many of the fighters that Tony has defeated have had these advantages and still been vanquished. I just watched the second Santos fight and frankly I thought Santos got a hometown decison. Santos was much quicker, bigger and more naturally gifted yet Tony was ripping him something awful. I'm not sure how he does it, but he always manages to land his shots, even against slick guys. He's just got that intangible that makes him so dangerous. I think Cotto could win if he plays it safe and outboxes Tony, but I don't think he could win a war. Tony doesn't get broken down, and when it comes down to it, I think Cotto is more vulnerable to being KO'd. I'll be rooting for Tony, but either way, I just can't wait to see this one!

Good post JT and you know the score man...

You've been here long enough to know about all the shit that was talked about Margarito.

Now Cotto will do
What Zab didn't do.
What Baldomir didn't do.
What PBF didn't do.
What SSM didn't do.

That's fight him. All those 4 guys had the fight offered to them and they all turned it down.

But alas Cotto will prevail, I expect him to box smart and use ring generalship to win the fight.
His jab will be key in this fight.