Calzaghe Fans Get Ready For Loss Number 1

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Originally Posted by Saddo

This is no easy fight for Joe going into the lions den and fighting the co promoter of the show in his own back yard is a big RISK...

let just hope if he does win and it aint a given that Joe gets the props he so rightly deserves from all and non of this Hopkins aged overnight etc ;)

may the best man win with no controversy ;)

COME ON JOEEEEEEEEE :cool:

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This is something not many people understand. America is a place built on diversity and differences, when you come here people will not be singing in unison or in rhythm. Just as many Americans that are voting for Hopkins will be matched with people who are voting for Joe (Americans), unlike if the place of the fight was in total opposite (Britian) when 99% of the arena if voting for Joe. Hop has just as many haters here as he has fans (attitude), and althought he has the title of CO PROMOTER he has no advantage here.

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its all down to who turns up mate and who is fighing who... Co promoter is an issue for sure IMO

as for Britian rooting for Joe that would prob be down to the fact that not many Amricans would turn up to root for there fighter but i doubt Hopkins would get a bad reception... Kessler didnt and i dont think Lacy did... hell i remember Johhny Tapia coming to the UK to fight the tail end of his Career and never have i seen such a welcome on his entry fo any UK fighter ;)

there are some good fans over in the UK mate that respect all boxers dont get them mixed up with the football thugs that have jumped on the Hatton Bandwagon ;)

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Originally Posted by Bookkeeper

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Originally Posted by Saddo

This is no easy fight for Joe going into the lions den and fighting the co promoter of the show in his own back yard is a big RISK...

let just hope if he does win and it aint a given that Joe gets the props he so rightly deserves from all and non of this Hopkins aged overnight etc ;)

may the best man win with no controversy ;)

COME ON JOEEEEEEEEE :cool:

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This is something not many people understand. America is a place built on diversity and differences, when you come here people will not be singing in unison or in rhythm. Just as many Americans that are voting for Hopkins will be matched with people who are voting for Joe (Americans), unlike if the place of the fight was in total opposite (Britian) when 99% of the arena if voting for Joe. Hop has just as many haters here as he has fans (attitude), and althought he has the title of CO PROMOTER he has no advantage here.

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its all down to who turns up mate and who is fighing who... Co promoter is an issue for sure IMO

as for Britian rooting for Joe that would prob be down to the fact that not many Amricans would turn up to root for there fighter but i doubt Hopkins would get a bad reception... Kessler didnt and i dont think Lacy did... hell i remember Johhny Tapia coming to the UK to fight the tail end of his Career and never have i seen such a welcome on his entry fo any UK fighter ;)

there are some good fans over in the UK mate that respect all boxers dont get them mixed up with the football thugs that have jumped on the Hatton Bandwagon ;)

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But hasnt boxing has always had a bit of a following with football lads/casuals in the UK?

I remember a huge brawl at the NEC arena between Man Us crew and Birmingham Zulus a while back. Who the boxing match was between escapes me though.

I was at the Haye/Enzo fight and Evander Holyfield got a great reception, Barrera too was very well received in the past.

Enzo Mac then Gavin Rees next to be defeated Calzaghe there on a bad run at that gym

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Originally Posted by tysonbruno

Enzo Mac then Gavin Rees next to be defeated Calzaghe there on a bad run at that gym

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Calzaghe has always stood out and is certainly a different breed to the other fighters in the stable. They are all vulnerable to a loss, Calzaghe is not to be compared to them.

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by tysonbruno

Enzo Mac then Gavin Rees next to be defeated Calzaghe there on a bad run at that gym

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Calzaghe has always stood out and is certainly a different breed to the other fighters in the stable. They are all vulnerable to a loss, Calzaghe is not to be compared to them.

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Yeah Calzaghe is in a totally different league to them two. You can also spin that "bad run" thinking the other way

If Enzo Calzaghe and FW were still enjoying their brilliant run there'd be more "chance" of Calzaghe being the "unlucky" one.. "luckily" the bad run started before it got to Joe ;)



(What a load of BOLLOCKS this post is. Fact.)

I feel both the physical and mental strength of Joe C is so underrated on the other side of the pond.....

Like Joe says it don't matter where they fight be it Vegas or where ever, because he has wanted this fight for a long time,

And come fight time Hopkins will be in Joe's backyard...When they get in The Ring, as its then just them two...

Joe will shine on Saturday, you will see him looking awesome in various ways, not just fast, but strong, smart, powerful, rough when needed, and slick too...It's Joe's time he has all the tools and he will deliver...

:badass::badass::badass:

It won't be a load of bollocks come saturday when he loses

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Originally Posted by tysonbruno

It won't be a load of bollocks come saturday when he loses

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How is Hopkins going to win? He isnt going to outwork Calzaghe, doesnt have the footwork Calzaghe has and doesnt have the handspeed. He hasnt knocked out anybody in years so I cant see him stopping Joe, who has a heck of a chin anyway.

Its Hopkins who is in trouble here. Calzaghes speed is something Hopkins hasnt faced since Roy Jones Jr. And Hopkins is 43.

It wont even be that close.

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Originally Posted by tysonbruno

It won't be a load of bollocks come saturday when he loses

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Whatever happens Saturday

Fenster's post about "lucky" "unlucky" "chance" "bad run" "luckily" will still be aa load of bollocks. Fact.

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by tysonbruno

It won't be a load of bollocks come saturday when he loses

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How is Hopkins going to win? He isnt going to outwork Calzaghe, doesnt have the footwork Calzaghe has and doesnt have the handspeed. He hasnt knocked out anybody in years so I cant see him stopping Joe, who has a heck of a chin anyway.

Its Hopkins who is in trouble here. Calzaghes speed is something Hopkins hasnt faced since Roy Jones Jr. And Hopkins is 43.

It wont even be that close.

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You don't have to out work Calzaghe, there isn't a Super Middleweight in history off the top of my head that could out work Calzaghe, but that doesn't mean they still can't win. Bika and Reid's work rate wern't high either, but they slowed Calzaghe down with clinches and rough fighting, which Hopkins can also do because lets be real here, when its come to rough house fighting and foul play, Reid and Bika are poor men version's of Hopkins at that kind of fighting.

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Originally Posted by miles

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It won't be a load of bollocks come saturday when he loses

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How is Hopkins going to win? He isnt going to outwork Calzaghe, doesnt have the footwork Calzaghe has and doesnt have the handspeed. He hasnt knocked out anybody in years so I cant see him stopping Joe, who has a heck of a chin anyway.

Its Hopkins who is in trouble here. Calzaghes speed is something Hopkins hasnt faced since Roy Jones Jr. And Hopkins is 43.

It wont even be that close.

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You don't have to out work Calzaghe, there isn't a Super Middleweight in history off the top of my head that could out work Calzaghe, but that doesn't mean they still can't win. Bika and Reid's work rate wern't high either, but they slowed Calzaghe down with clinches and rough fighting, which Hopkins can also do because lets be real here, when its come to rough house fighting and foul play, Reid and Bika are poor men version's of Hopkins at that kind of fighting.

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I dont think the Bika fight was particularly difficult but Joe could have made that easier on himself. The Reid fight was a long time ago and Calzaghe has evolved a lot since then. Calzaghe will need to keep his head, use his footwork and not allow Hopkins too many chances to grab and hold. Hopkins will slow Calzaghe down somewhat but that will only be by spoiling. You dont win rounds by pot shotting 5 times a round and then grabbing...not against Calzaghe anyway.

Hopkins is 43 which is something I keep reiterating a little too much. He doesnt have the legs to go 12 HARD rounds. Calzaghe can push and eventually Hopkins will begin to bend. Almost all great fighters finish on a bad loss and Hopkins will be much the same. They seldom call time when they should.

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How is Hopkins going to win? He isnt going to outwork Calzaghe, doesnt have the footwork Calzaghe has and doesnt have the handspeed. He hasnt knocked out anybody in years so I cant see him stopping Joe, who has a heck of a chin anyway.

Its Hopkins who is in trouble here. Calzaghes speed is something Hopkins hasnt faced since Roy Jones Jr. And Hopkins is 43.

It wont even be that close.

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You don't have to out work Calzaghe, there isn't a Super Middleweight in history off the top of my head that could out work Calzaghe, but that doesn't mean they still can't win. Bika and Reid's work rate wern't high either, but they slowed Calzaghe down with clinches and rough fighting, which Hopkins can also do because lets be real here, when its come to rough house fighting and foul play, Reid and Bika are poor men version's of Hopkins at that kind of fighting.

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I dont think the Bika fight was particularly difficult but Joe could have made that easier on himself. The Reid fight was a long time ago and Calzaghe has evolved a lot since then. Calzaghe will need to keep his head, use his footwork and not allow Hopkins too many chances to grab and hold. Hopkins will slow Calzaghe down somewhat but that will only be by spoiling. You dont win rounds by pot shotting 5 times a round and then grabbing...not against Calzaghe anyway.

Hopkins is 43 which is something I keep reiterating a little too much. He doesnt have the legs to go 12 HARD rounds. Calzaghe can push and eventually Hopkins will begin to bend. Almost all great fighters finish on a bad loss and Hopkins will be much the same. They seldom call time when they should.

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Well Calzaghe was sure puffing hard after 12 rounds with Bika, plus he had some bad marks on his face. He was badly roughed up IMO, yes he did win the fight clearly on points but he was roughed up big time in the process. I don't really know why you consider Calzaghe a better fighter now than he was about 9 years ago. Calzaghe hit much harder back then plus he was faster back then IMO, but boxing brain wise yes he has evolved. Like i told you before Miles im favoring Calzaghe in this one, but i believe it will be a much tougher fight than you expect.

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Originally Posted by miles

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You don't have to out work Calzaghe, there isn't a Super Middleweight in history off the top of my head that could out work Calzaghe, but that doesn't mean they still can't win. Bika and Reid's work rate wern't high either, but they slowed Calzaghe down with clinches and rough fighting, which Hopkins can also do because lets be real here, when its come to rough house fighting and foul play, Reid and Bika are poor men version's of Hopkins at that kind of fighting.

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I dont think the Bika fight was particularly difficult but Joe could have made that easier on himself. The Reid fight was a long time ago and Calzaghe has evolved a lot since then. Calzaghe will need to keep his head, use his footwork and not allow Hopkins too many chances to grab and hold. Hopkins will slow Calzaghe down somewhat but that will only be by spoiling. You dont win rounds by pot shotting 5 times a round and then grabbing...not against Calzaghe anyway.

Hopkins is 43 which is something I keep reiterating a little too much. He doesnt have the legs to go 12 HARD rounds. Calzaghe can push and eventually Hopkins will begin to bend. Almost all great fighters finish on a bad loss and Hopkins will be much the same. They seldom call time when they should.

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Well Calzaghe was sure puffing hard after 12 rounds with Bika, plus he had some bad marks on his face. He was badly roughed up IMO, yes he did win the fight clearly on points but he was roughed up big time in the process. I don't really know why you consider Calzaghe a better fighter now than he was about 9 years ago. Calzaghe hit much harder back then plus he was faster back then IMO, but boxing brain wise yes he has evolved. Like i told you before Miles im favoring Calzaghe in this one, but i believe it will be a much tougher fight than you expect.

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Thats the only time I ever recall Calzaghe being cut. He made it hard on himself and fought a messy fight. Calzaghe has always risen to the big fights and the ones where his legacy has been on the line and this is one such fight.

I do prefer Calzaghe as a fighter today. Since messing up his hands I feel he has become a better technical boxer. He doesnt rely on a big punch to get the opponent out but thinks a lot more now and adapts his game to any given situation. The Calzaghe of today would outbox the Calzaghe of a decade ago.

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Originally Posted by miles

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I dont think the Bika fight was particularly difficult but Joe could have made that easier on himself. The Reid fight was a long time ago and Calzaghe has evolved a lot since then. Calzaghe will need to keep his head, use his footwork and not allow Hopkins too many chances to grab and hold. Hopkins will slow Calzaghe down somewhat but that will only be by spoiling. You dont win rounds by pot shotting 5 times a round and then grabbing...not against Calzaghe anyway.

Hopkins is 43 which is something I keep reiterating a little too much. He doesnt have the legs to go 12 HARD rounds. Calzaghe can push and eventually Hopkins will begin to bend. Almost all great fighters finish on a bad loss and Hopkins will be much the same. They seldom call time when they should.

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Well Calzaghe was sure puffing hard after 12 rounds with Bika, plus he had some bad marks on his face. He was badly roughed up IMO, yes he did win the fight clearly on points but he was roughed up big time in the process. I don't really know why you consider Calzaghe a better fighter now than he was about 9 years ago. Calzaghe hit much harder back then plus he was faster back then IMO, but boxing brain wise yes he has evolved. Like i told you before Miles im favoring Calzaghe in this one, but i believe it will be a much tougher fight than you expect.

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Thats the only time I ever recall Calzaghe being cut. He made it hard on himself and fought a messy fight. Calzaghe has always risen to the big fights and the ones where his legacy has been on the line and this is one such fight.

I do prefer Calzaghe as a fighter today. Since messing up his hands I feel he has become a better technical boxer. He doesnt rely on a big punch to get the opponent out but thinks a lot more now and adapts his game to any given situation. The Calzaghe of today would outbox the Calzaghe of a decade ago.

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I think that too.

One of his biggest "faults" was being so easily drawn into a tear up. He seems a lot more confident and wiser these days.

Also.. the difference between Calzaghe fighting guys like Bika compared with Hopkins is Calzaghe wasn't just trying to win against Bika (it was a given he would) he was trying to impress, put on a show, he wont be risking mistakes by forcing things against Hopkins.. unless he desperately has too.. which he wont, hopefully.

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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

a strategy calzaghe has NEVER seen before against ANY opponent...


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basic defense ;)

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Kessler has decent defense, he's a very well-rounded fighter.

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Kessler was/is a good fighter. But he ain't nowhere Hopkins level. Hopkins is great. Kessler is not.

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Agreed, but you were talking up Kessler plenty and telling us how he was going to 'smash' JC I seem to remember ;)

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Kessler has decent defense, he's a very well-rounded fighter.

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Kessler was/is a good fighter. But he ain't nowhere Hopkins level. Hopkins is great. Kessler is not.

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Agreed, but you were talking up Kessler plenty and telling us how he was going to 'smash' JC I seem to remember ;)

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It doesn't matter who Joe faces they seem to talk up how he was going to get "Smashed up"....

They never learn

We need to bear in mind that Calzaghe is fighting a guy who couldn't beat Jermain Taylor in two opportunities. I don't think many people would pick Taylor over Calzaghe. Plus what people are saying about how Calzaghe is a much better boxer than he was ten years ago are right. There's no way he'll get drawn into a war like he did against Bika. He's going to do everything off his jab and dominate Hopkins so that even Golden Boy judges can't give it to Hopkins.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

We need to bear in mind that Calzaghe is fighting a guy who couldn't beat Jermain Taylor in two opportunities. I don't think many people would pick Taylor over Calzaghe. Plus what people are saying about how Calzaghe is a much better boxer than he was ten years ago are right. There's no way he'll get drawn into a war like he did against Bika. He's going to do everything off his jab and dominate Hopkins so that even Golden Boy judges can't give it to Hopkins.

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"Golden Boy Judges"? :scratchchin:

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We need to bear in mind that Calzaghe is fighting a guy who couldn't beat Jermain Taylor in two opportunities. I don't think many people would pick Taylor over Calzaghe. Plus what people are saying about how Calzaghe is a much better boxer than he was ten years ago are right. There's no way he'll get drawn into a war like he did against Bika. He's going to do everything off his jab and dominate Hopkins so that even Golden Boy judges can't give it to Hopkins.

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"Golden Boy Judges"? :scratchchin:

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Well, you know, Las Vegas judges. Hopkins won his last fight by a few points on at least two cards and it was much closer than that. If this is a close fight he'll get the decision.

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We need to bear in mind that Calzaghe is fighting a guy who couldn't beat Jermain Taylor in two opportunities. I don't think many people would pick Taylor over Calzaghe. Plus what people are saying about how Calzaghe is a much better boxer than he was ten years ago are right. There's no way he'll get drawn into a war like he did against Bika. He's going to do everything off his jab and dominate Hopkins so that even Golden Boy judges can't give it to Hopkins.

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"Golden Boy Judges"? :scratchchin:

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Well, you know, Las Vegas judges. Hopkins won his last fight by a few points on at least two cards and it was much closer than that. If this is a close fight he'll get the decision.

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Come on now Kirk, let's not get ahead of ourselves. Just cause it happened in the past doesn't necessarily mean it'll happen here, and let's not put too many arguments as to why Calzaghe 'could' lose, in case fans get accused of getting their excuses in early.

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It won't be a load of bollocks come saturday when he loses

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How is Hopkins going to win? He isnt going to outwork Calzaghe, doesnt have the footwork Calzaghe has and doesnt have the handspeed. He hasnt knocked out anybody in years so I cant see him stopping Joe, who has a heck of a chin anyway.

Its Hopkins who is in trouble here. Calzaghes speed is something Hopkins hasnt faced since Roy Jones Jr. And Hopkins is 43.

It wont even be that close.

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roy jones throws PUNCHES fast...


calzaghe moves his hands forewards, anyone can do that, that isnt hand speed, when he actually tries to throw puynches (whichj he does very poorly) he throws slow wide looping hooks


and calzaghe has even said himself that he will just throw random punches when hopkins guard comes up...




seriously...




he thinks thats gonna work :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Sal....would you care to put your sig where your mouth is on this one? If you're so confident your boy will win, no reason not to take the bet right? Get a few bragging rights etc etc.

Anyhow, I propose one month sig bet, if you win, you can put whatever you want in my sig, you lose, you get my Calzaghe banner in your sig for a month?

Or are ya chicken? ;)

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It won't be a load of bollocks come saturday when he loses

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How is Hopkins going to win? He isnt going to outwork Calzaghe, doesnt have the footwork Calzaghe has and doesnt have the handspeed. He hasnt knocked out anybody in years so I cant see him stopping Joe, who has a heck of a chin anyway.

Its Hopkins who is in trouble here. Calzaghes speed is something Hopkins hasnt faced since Roy Jones Jr. And Hopkins is 43.

It wont even be that close.

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calzaghe moves his hands forewards, anyone can do that, that isnt hand speed, when he actually tries to throw puynches (whichj he does very poorly) he throws slow wide looping hooks


and calzaghe has even said himself that he will just throw random punches when hopkins guard comes up...




seriously...




he thinks thats gonna work :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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I totally disagree with your statement on Calzaghe that you think Calzaghe just throws straight forward punches "That anyone can do"and you reckon he has no speed is his punches as well as him throwing poor punches too!HAVE YOU EVER SEEN CALZAGHE FIGHT?It does'nt sound like it mate!Calzaghe throws awesome Uppercuts as well as hooks too.He's hand speed and 100% accuracy is awesome,just look at the Jef Lacy fight....Calzaghe throw and landed over 1000 punches on Lacy cranium.He can keep that ratio up throughout 12rounds as he yet again proved against Lacy.He'll do the on Hopkins.....you just wait and see!!!Me mate;D

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"Golden Boy Judges"? :scratchchin:

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Well, you know, Las Vegas judges. Hopkins won his last fight by a few points on at least two cards and it was much closer than that. If this is a close fight he'll get the decision.

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Come on now Kirk, let's not get ahead of ourselves. Just cause it happened in the past doesn't necessarily mean it'll happen here, and let's not put too many arguments as to why Calzaghe 'could' lose, in case fans get accused of getting their excuses in early.

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Fair enough. :)

I just can't see hop outworking joe....joe will be the clear winner IMO

I'd go so far as to say whoever wins this fight is one of the three best fighters of our era(last 20 years).

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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

Sal....would you care to put your sig where your mouth is on this one? If you're so confident your boy will win, no reason not to take the bet right? Get a few bragging rights etc etc.

Anyhow, I propose one month sig bet, if you win, you can put whatever you want in my sig, you lose, you get my Calzaghe banner in your sig for a month?

Or are ya chicken? ;)

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WHere are you Sal...it's gone awfully quiet here son! ;)

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I'd go so far as to say whoever wins this fight is one of the three best fighters of our era(last 20 years).

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I would disagree with that.
Mayweather, Whittaker, Lennox Lewis, Chavez, Roy Jones, James Toney, Barerra, even De La Hoya or Mosley are all better than B-Hop or Calzaghe.
You could maybe make an argument that Hopkins is top ten, but even that is very debatable. I would say in terms of skill Calzaghe is right up there, but he hasn't fought the opposition necessary to cement that kind of legacy.

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It won't be a load of bollocks come saturday when he loses

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How is Hopkins going to win? He isnt going to outwork Calzaghe, doesnt have the footwork Calzaghe has and doesnt have the handspeed. He hasnt knocked out anybody in years so I cant see him stopping Joe, who has a heck of a chin anyway.

Its Hopkins who is in trouble here. Calzaghes speed is something Hopkins hasnt faced since Roy Jones Jr. And Hopkins is 43.

It wont even be that close.

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roy jones throws PUNCHES fast...


calzaghe moves his hands forewards, anyone can do that, that isnt hand speed, when he actually tries to throw puynches (whichj he does very poorly) he throws slow wide looping hooks


and calzaghe has even said himself that he will just throw random punches when hopkins guard comes up...




seriously...




he thinks thats gonna work :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Joe has quick hands, Sal. Aint no getting around that. Not always as straight as they could be but he throws them and they are fast. They will be a problem for Hopkins tomorrow as you will see. :rolleyes:

You underestimate Calzaghe.

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Sal....would you care to put your sig where your mouth is on this one? If you're so confident your boy will win, no reason not to take the bet right? Get a few bragging rights etc etc.

Anyhow, I propose one month sig bet, if you win, you can put whatever you want in my sig, you lose, you get my Calzaghe banner in your sig for a month?

Or are ya chicken? ;)

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WHere are you Sal...it's gone awfully quiet here son! ;)

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Im calling him out too. I dont know about sig bets or anything like that. But I will bet rep. points quite freely. Come on, Sal. Put your rep. points where your mouth is!! ;D

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I'd go so far as to say whoever wins this fight is one of the three best fighters of our era(last 20 years).

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I would disagree with that.
Mayweather, Whittaker, Lennox Lewis, Chavez, Roy Jones, James Toney, Barerra, even De La Hoya or Mosley are all better than B-Hop or Calzaghe.
You could maybe make an argument that Hopkins is top ten, but even that is very debatable. I would say in terms of skill Calzaghe is right up there, but he hasn't fought the opposition necessary to cement that kind of legacy.

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I can see why people would say that, I should have clarified in that I meant non heavyweights, and also am factoring in not only skill, but accomplishments. IMO right now as it stands I think Whitaker, Jones, and Mayweather are the three best I've seen when factoring all that into play in the last 20 years, and even though Roy beat a green B-Hop, I would bump him over Roy in terms of standing if he were to pull the upset tomorrow. Likewise, I don't think Bernard is washed up or merely a shell of his former self, I think he's still formidable and Calzaghe would get alot of respect from me by beating him.