Calzaghe - Pavlik on 18th Oct

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Originally Posted by Pavlik

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Originally Posted by CFH

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Originally Posted by boozeboxer

I like Pavlik but you fans are getting as bad as Hatton's boys.

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I agree, I also love the fact that Calzaghe's record is "padded", but Pavlik is "Godzilla". Seriously, who the fuck has Pavlik fought who is better than Kessler or Hopkins? Aside from Taylor and a weight-drained Miranda, he's fought nobody of any real significance and his record is as padded as anyones.

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Taylor beat Hopkins twice though close and controversial on the other hand Kelly's performance against taylor was light years better than that of Hopkins vs Taylor. Miranda weight drained, he was dropped from a CONCUSSIVE shot not from sheer exhaustion.
Joe beating an older version of Hopkins via close decision, beating a Lacy who'm afterwards was winning via decisions against B level fighters. Kessler who hasnt fought any great American middleweight or super middleweight.
To Joe's credit he is undefeated for so long but for such a short time in Pavlik's career his accomplishments is almost as great as that of Joe.

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You have your opinion but i had Taylor beating Hopkins handily in both fights and calzaghe beating him decisively.

I had Taylor 115-113 both times and Calzaghe 115-112

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Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamer

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Originally Posted by Pavlik

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Originally Posted by CFH

I agree, I also love the fact that Calzaghe's record is "padded", but Pavlik is "Godzilla". Seriously, who the fuck has Pavlik fought who is better than Kessler or Hopkins? Aside from Taylor and a weight-drained Miranda, he's fought nobody of any real significance and his record is as padded as anyones.

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Taylor beat Hopkins twice though close and controversial on the other hand Kelly's performance against taylor was light years better than that of Hopkins vs Taylor. Miranda weight drained, he was dropped from a CONCUSSIVE shot not from sheer exhaustion.
Joe beating an older version of Hopkins via close decision, beating a Lacy who'm afterwards was winning via decisions against B level fighters. Kessler who hasnt fought any great American middleweight or super middleweight.
To Joe's credit he is undefeated for so long but for such a short time in Pavlik's career his accomplishments is almost as great as that of Joe.

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You have your opinion but i had Taylor beating Hopkins handily in both fights and calzaghe beating him decisively.

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Well I had Hopkins winning the 1st and Taylor winning the rematch. And like you SuperJoe winning decisively over Hopkins.;)

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Originally Posted by Youngblood

This will not happen. I hope it does though. My selfish, saddistic side wants to see it.

From what I've seen of Joe he is fighting an older man's boxing match, using his head and his heart to carry him to victory. Put him in with Pavlik at a weight somewhere in the middle for them, and I believe he would get brutalized. I can't see Enzo letting that happen.

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Hmm i think if Pavlik just keeps coming forward in straight lines, he will get picked off by Calzaghe. Calzaghe is exceptional against come forward type of guys. I'm also not sure Pavlik's power will be as devastating against a big super middle. It could be, who knows...just think he'l find it difficult to deal with calzaghes style, awkwardness, movement and speed.

Really pains me to say it, but at this stage, I think Pavlick could stop JC

Awesome! I hope it happens.

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Originally Posted by lance Uppercut

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Originally Posted by hitmanhatton

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Originally Posted by lance Uppercut

definitely, if you are under the prescribed weight. And were not talking alphabet trinkets, which I am sure have a rule against it, were talking about the real world championships/The Ring.

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but how can you be seen as the best fighter in the lightheavyweight division for example if youve never foguht past 168 ?

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The best fighter isn't always the champion.

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but the theory behind the ring belt is the number one fighter is the champion, i.e the man who beat the man so to speak

i just dont see how you could be the champ of divison you have never fought in

kelly is surely gonna need more than 4 and a bit months to put on 8 pounds of solid muscle and forge a gameplan to beat one of the best p4p fighters of an era.

Id suggest a november calzaghe-pavlik showdown before one final hurrah in cardiff against RJJ for joe to say goodbye to the sport.

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

kelly is surely gonna need more than 4 and a bit months to put on 8 pounds of solid muscle and forge a gameplan to beat one of the best p4p fighters of an era.

Id suggest a november calzaghe-pavlik showdown before one final hurrah in cardiff against RJJ for joe to say goodbye to the sport.

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how long a break did pavlik have between the fights with taylor as i believe one was at 160 and the 2nd at 166 i could be wrong though, if that is the case though it may not be as difficult as you would think, may just be a case of not having to work off as much weight in preperation, very much in the same way calzaghe did in moving up to 175

The thread title is a bit misleading. It just means Arum has an October 18th HBO date.. like Frank Warren has one for November 15.

It will guarantee a host of "Calzaghe DUCKING Pavlik" threads when the fight doesn't happen.

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so arent HBO doing for Arum what he accused them of doing for Golden boy, giving out dates with no fight agreed for that date ??

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Originally Posted by hitmanhatton

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

kelly is surely gonna need more than 4 and a bit months to put on 8 pounds of solid muscle and forge a gameplan to beat one of the best p4p fighters of an era.

Id suggest a november calzaghe-pavlik showdown before one final hurrah in cardiff against RJJ for joe to say goodbye to the sport.

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how long a break did pavlik have between the fights with taylor as i believe one was at 160 and the 2nd at 166 i could be wrong though, if that is the case though it may not be as difficult as you would think, may just be a case of not having to work off as much weight in preperation, very much in the same way calzaghe did in moving up to 175

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maybe your right

i guess his height would also make it slightly easier for him to add the sufficient amount of muscle in time.

Along with the fact he has hardly had to extend himself at any point this year, october could actually be feasible!!

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Originally Posted by lance Uppercut

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Originally Posted by hitmanhatton

surely not ?? you can win titles in two different weight divisons in one fight ???

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definitely, if you are under the prescribed weight. And were not talking alphabet trinkets, which I am sure have a rule against it, were talking about the real world championships/The Ring.

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You can even lose your title even if your fighting for a heavier one.

Roberto Duran lost his WBC Middleweight title because he was 160 when he boxed Sugar Ray Leonard for the WBC SuperMiddleweight title.

So you can lose a title your not even boxing for.