Calzaghe has wanted Jones ever since he beat Hopkins.
A pavlik fight can wait.
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Calzaghe has wanted Jones ever since he beat Hopkins.
A pavlik fight can wait.
Its the last fight. Its quite obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by ds91
Nice gimp sigQuote:
Originally Posted by ds91
I told you Joe was a smart fighter ;D
If I were him Id go for Jones too .
Honestly...being a fan of both fighters...I just don't want to see this one come off.
I'm actually a bit excited about Joe facing Roy.
Pavlik's a tuff nut to crack & all that...but Joe's got too much experience, speed, & volume for Kelly, IWHO.
Am I the only one who thinks that Calzaghe may fight Jones then Pavlik?
If Calzaghe beats Jones I think he'll have one more fight against Pavlik then call it a day.
That would be a big mistake I think. JC is getting older and Pavlik is coming into his prime, the longer Calzaghe waits, the more his skills will erode while Pavlik improves and gains valuable experience. If Calzaghe is going to fight Pavlik, I think he's best served by doing it asap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil
But, according to Joe, apparently Pavlik doesn't want to face Calzaghe. :rolleyes: Though I wouldn't be surprised if Joe was just trying to drum up hype and demand for a fight with Pavlik.
yeah this could be the case, he knows he's only a couple of fights left, so he'll want to be making as much money as possible, be great to haveQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHThat would be a big mistake I think. JC is getting older and Pavlik is coming into his prime, the longer Calzaghe waits, the more his skills will erode while Pavlik improves and gains valuable experience. If Calzaghe is going to fight Pavlik, I think he's best served by doing it asap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil
But, according to Joe, apparently Pavlik doesn't want to face Calzaghe. :rolleyes: Though I wouldn't be surprised if Joe was just trying to drum up hype and demand for a fight with Pavlik.
Calzaghe- Jones with Pavlik - Froch on the same card!
I think it's a possibility. But that will just give Calzaghe fans more reason to say "he was shot by then" after Pavlik erases that undefeated record.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil
Beating Roy Jones won't do much for Joe's "legacy." Yes it is a huge name, but not right now. The best part of all this is Roy can beat Joe. Imagine if he did? I would actually love that more than Pavlik beating him because it puts a huge dent in his career. I guess I'm being bitter he delayed this Pavlik fight...Sorry, Calzaghe fans, I didn't mean harm by this. I'm just ranting now..
I think if he beats Jones easy he will fight Pavlik but if he struggles he will call it a day.
I think Jones has a really good chance of taking this fight. Awkward fighters don't bother him so much as strong fighters do. I mean, one awkward fighter against another is somewhat of a toss-up, don't you think? When Joe starts getting slappy with his punches in close with his guard wide open Roy turns into a surgeon with some precise shots in between a tight guard. I see Roy being hesitant per usual in the first few rounds and once he realizes Joe isn't hurting him he starts opening up, taxing his body until it looks like a fight that COULD go either way. Joe SHOULD win, but I don't know that he would.
What a coward. He knows he hits harder than enyone he has ever faced. He is unrelenting and a very sound champion. Not to mention you can not stop the guy.
Who cares. He should have called Jones out 8 years ago. But he didnt. Jones was too good and woulod have walked all over him.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebif
Agree 100%Quote:
Originally Posted by southakron314
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Originally Posted by southakron314
If he was a coward he wouldn't have fought Lacy when everyone was saying he hits harder than anyone he's faced, and as for u can not stop the guy, if Taylor was a better finisher he would have, Calzaghe's never been hurt like Pavlik was.
Calzaghe hits no where near as hard as Taylor does. Pavlik would have nothing to worry about with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilQuote:
Originally Posted by southakron314
If he was a coward he wouldn't have fought Lacy when everyone was saying he hits harder than anyone he's faced, and as for u can not stop the guy, if Taylor was a better finisher he would have, Calzaghe's never been hurt like Pavlik was.
you never know, if Calzaghe gets off his combinations he could rock him, probably unlikley but Taylor's not a bigger puncher than Miranda its just about landing the right shotQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseCalzaghe hits no where near as hard as Taylor does. Pavlik would have nothing to worry about with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilQuote:
Originally Posted by southakron314
If he was a coward he wouldn't have fought Lacy when everyone was saying he hits harder than anyone he's faced, and as for u can not stop the guy, if Taylor was a better finisher he would have, Calzaghe's never been hurt like Pavlik was.
What I'm saying is that Calzaghe, in wanting to fight Jones Jr is trying to cement his legacy with a win over a a proven Hall of Famer.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFanBilbo, what are you on about now ? ;D Seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Legacy wise a win would have been huge over Jones if he actually had any legs and didn't look almost completely shot. I don't know, maybe there are some who will still think this would be some kind of big win. The fact that pretty much everyone here accepts that Pavlik would be a tougher fight says something though.
But the bigger problem with this post is you act like Pavlik is going to retire after the Calzaghe fight.
"If Calzaghe fights Pavlik and wins, then all Pavlik did was beat Taylor and defend against a nobody in Gary Lockett. His legacy won't be that impressive in hindsight so Calzaghe won't gain much from the victory."
Is he never going to fight again :confused: You have no idea what Pavlik will accomplish after the Calzaghe fight. He may go on to have a few more good/great wins and legacy wise it will have just been that he lost to a better more experienced fighter in Calzaghe. And Calzaghe will be seen as having a very good win at the end of his career over a young, stong, prime fighter. Or maybe not, the point is you and I have no idea what Pavlik is going to do so to say that Calzaghe would have beat a guy who only beat Taylor is bizarre.
And the win over Lacy has been diminished because for one it was just such a mismatch (not the case with Kessler and Hopkins and hence they haven't been diminished as much) and two Lacy has looked horrible his last two fights against lesser opposition, give or take a shoulder problem.
In the long run that IS what people will remember most.
Look at Lennox Lewis, his most famous wins are against past their primes Tyson and Holyfield. Aside from that he's famous for his two losses.
How many people remember Roberto Duran for his fine win over the unbeaten world champ Davy Moore?
How many people remember Trevor Berbick for anything other than his wins over Ali and his loss to Tyson?
When people think of Michael Spinks what do they think of? My guess is his distruction at the hands of Tyson and American fans will also remember his wins over Larry Holmes.
Beating an all time great DOES make your resume, whether the opponent is past his best or not.
Jones Jr was the undisputed best fighter on the planet for many years. He was a boxing superstar and is an absolute legend of the sport.
What fighter in the world wouldn't want to have his name on their resume?
So what that he's past his best he's still by far the biggest name in boxing from 160 to heavyweight.
To suggest that Calzaghe would benefit more from a fight with Pavlik is just absurd.
As has already been mentioned a fight with Pavlik couldn't even be sold as a PPV. A Jones Jr fight would be far bigger. It would make Calzahge more money. It would be the biggest fight on his resume by far.
Like you, I'd rather see him fight Pavlik, I think it would be a more competitive fight and more meaningful to the boxing situation right now, but if I was in Calzaghe's shoes without hesitation I'd want Roy Jones.
Pavlik thus far hasn't done anything. He's beaten Jermain Taylor twice but he's nowhere near being a Hall of Famer just yet. If Calzaghe beat him, and then he lost his next fight, then he was just a belt holder, yesterdays news.
Let me ask you this, should Calzaghe fight Jermain Taylor? Would that be a huge legacy defining win? We both know the answer is no. Taylor has been defeated twice by Pavlik, once by knockout and so is no longer considered the future of the middleweight division. A win over him wouldn't matter that much.
Well, if Calzaghe fought and defeated Pavlik, the situation would be no different. Pavlik's status would be restrospectively downgraded and people would just say he was a technically limited fighter.
That's why every fighter likes to fight a legend. A legend can't be 'exposed', they can't have their past exploits and glories erased, they have already achieved. They have already proven themselves and so a win over any of them is a big deal.
If Calzaghe beats Jones Jr it's in the history books, whether he was past his best or not.
Look through past history, the only names that stick in your memory regarding any fighter are their wins over big stars.
Who remembers Randy Turpin for something other than his win over Robinson?
Who rememebers Hector Camacho for something other than his win over Ray Leonard?
Iran Barkely is famous for his win over Hearns and loss to Duran.
I'm not talking about hardcore fans here, I'm talking about the general sporting fan's consciousness.
In the final analysis Calzaghe would be remembered MUCH MUCH MUCH more for a win over Roy Jones Jr than he would ove Kelly Pavlik.
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Originally Posted by BilboWhat I'm saying is that Calzaghe, in wanting to fight Jones Jr is trying to cement his legacy with a win over a a proven Hall of Famer.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFanBilbo, what are you on about now ? ;D Seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Legacy wise a win would have been huge over Jones if he actually had any legs and didn't look almost completely shot. I don't know, maybe there are some who will still think this would be some kind of big win. The fact that pretty much everyone here accepts that Pavlik would be a tougher fight says something though.
But the bigger problem with this post is you act like Pavlik is going to retire after the Calzaghe fight.
"If Calzaghe fights Pavlik and wins, then all Pavlik did was beat Taylor and defend against a nobody in Gary Lockett. His legacy won't be that impressive in hindsight so Calzaghe won't gain much from the victory."
Is he never going to fight again :confused: You have no idea what Pavlik will accomplish after the Calzaghe fight. He may go on to have a few more good/great wins and legacy wise it will have just been that he lost to a better more experienced fighter in Calzaghe. And Calzaghe will be seen as having a very good win at the end of his career over a young, stong, prime fighter. Or maybe not, the point is you and I have no idea what Pavlik is going to do so to say that Calzaghe would have beat a guy who only beat Taylor is bizarre.
And the win over Lacy has been diminished because for one it was just such a mismatch (not the case with Kessler and Hopkins and hence they haven't been diminished as much) and two Lacy has looked horrible his last two fights against lesser opposition, give or take a shoulder problem.
In the long run that IS what people will remember most.
Look at Lennox Lewis, his most famous wins are against past their primes Tyson and Holyfield. Aside from that he's famous for his two losses.
How many people remember Roberto Duran for his fine win over the unbeaten world champ Davy Moore?
How many people remember Trevor Berbick for anything other than his wins over Ali and his loss to Tyson?
When people think of Michael Spinks what do they think of? My guess is his distruction at the hands of Tyson and American fans will also remember his wins over Larry Holmes.
Beating an all time great DOES make your resume, whether the opponent is past his best or not.
Jones Jr was the undisputed best fighter on the planet for many years. He was a boxing superstar and is an absolute legend of the sport.
What fighter in the world wouldn't want to have his name on their resume?
So what that he's past his best he's still by far the biggest name in boxing from 160 to heavyweight.
To suggest that Calzaghe would benefit more from a fight with Pavlik is just absurd.
As has already been mentioned a fight with Pavlik couldn't even be sold as a PPV. A Jones Jr fight would be far bigger. It would make Calzahge more money. It would be the biggest fight on his resume by far.
Like you, I'd rather see him fight Pavlik, I think it would be a more competitive fight and more meaningful to the boxing situation right now, but if I was in Calzaghe's shoes without hesitation I'd want Roy Jones.
Pavlik thus far hasn't done anything. He's beaten Jermain Taylor twice but he's nowhere near being a Hall of Famer just yet. If Calzaghe beat him, and then he lost his next fight, then he was just a belt holder, yesterdays news.
Let me ask you this, should Calzaghe fight Jermain Taylor? Would that be a huge legacy defining win? We both know the answer is no. Taylor has been defeated twice by Pavlik, once by knockout and so is no longer considered the future of the middleweight division. A win over him wouldn't matter that much.
Well, if Calzaghe fought and defeated Pavlik, the situation would be no different. Pavlik's status would be restrospectively downgraded and people would just say he was a technically limited fighter.
That's why every fighter likes to fight a legend. A legend can't be 'exposed', they can't have their past exploits and glories erased, they have already achieved. They have already proven themselves and so a win over any of them is a big deal.
If Calzaghe beats Jones Jr it's in the history books, whether he was past his best or not.
Look through past history, the only names that stick in your memory regarding any fighter are their wins over big stars.
Who remembers Randy Turpin for something other than his win over Robinson?
Who rememebers Hector Camacho for something other than his win over Ray Leonard?
Iran Barkely is famous for his win over Hearns and loss to Duran.
I'm not talking about hardcore fans here, I'm talking about the general sporting fan's consciousness.
In the final analysis Calzaghe would be remembered MUCH MUCH MUCH more for a win over Roy Jones Jr than he would ove Kelly Pavlik.
another great post Bilbo, owe u rep when can
Lets see Pavlik vs. BUTE or Kessler. Supermiddle Kings. Calzaghe is one step above those 2 so let Pavlik earn it. Bute and Kessler are Monster fighters the will give Ghost a good one.
On a side note, I just read that besides Rubio, a certain someone is being considered as Pavlik's next opponent................Mayorga! Personally, I would love to see that. Ricardo would get hammered but his pre-fight antics are second to none. I would love to see how Kelly deals with it. Entertaining shite!
funny how calzaghe claims pavlik dont want to fight him.............. pavliks called him out, bob arum has spoken to frank warren about having the fight......... EVEN WARREN SAID IT WOULD BE A GOOD FIGHT but joe doesn't want any part of it
people on here will know i've said some harsh things about calzaghe and this is why............ he's a bullshitter............. he wants to fight a shot jones, a 40 year old jones, the same roy jones he said wasn't worth fighting 5 years ago when roy said he'd go to wales....... good old joe didn't want the fight and said " ROY JONES IS TO OLD, TO PASTED IT AND HAS BEEN KO'D A FEW TIMES THEREFORE THERES NO NEED TO FIGHT HIM " BUT NOW THAT ROYS 5 YEARS OLDER AND STILL HAS THOSE KO LOSSES ON HIS RECORD BUT IS A EVEN MORE SHOT HE WANTS TO FIGHT HIM
this is why i don't like calzaghe he's a coward.......... fighting a 43 year old hopkins and getting a close win...... now looking to beat a shot jones is better then fighting pavlik, he's full of crap........... they shouldn't even broadcast this guys fights anymore, he's built up a record on hand picked fighters..... i'm sick of hearing his cowardice name
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The thing is Pavlik is in his prime and not injured, Calzaghe considers fighting old men like Hopkins and Jones a more rewarding finacially and less dangerous strategy.Quote:
Originally Posted by totalboxing1
He fought an injured Kessler and won, good for him, let's see him in a rematch then! Calzaghe will stay well clear of Pavlik and take the easy money in a fight with a well past his best Roy Jones Jr. ( Joe might get a surprise yet by fighting Jones jr.)
Mayorga Pavlik would be great. I would love to see how Kelly composes himself with a retard in a matador costume in the press conferences. Kelly disposes of him inside of 3-5 rounds. Not even a close fight. A good entertaining one from press conferences to Mayorga being carted off on a stretcher. I would love to see this. I feel Rubio has great power but no chin. Mayorga has no brain so he is crazy enough to go threw with it.
my top 10 Pavlik oppents
1. Calzaghe
2. Wright
3. Abraham
4. Mayorga
5. Kessler
6. Miranda at 168
7. Bute
8. Duddy
9. Rubio
10. Lacy
ok so Calzaghe's a coward for fighting Jones but it's cool for Pavlik to fightQuote:
Originally Posted by southakron314
a guy who was only effective at Welterweight? surly you'd prefer to see him test the water against a super middle? To be honest I'd love to see Kessler fight Bute, he's a unbeaten fighter but one I think Kess can beat
Calzaghe is just a waste of space in 45 fights all he has done is fight old past there best champs or unknowns. He fights and beats Lacy and Kessler which yes are good achievements Kessler more than Lacy by a mile but now he wants to fight another old man.He should fight Pavlik not Jones he kept going on about career defining fights he has only had 2 he gets offered a fight bigger than any he has had he doesn't want it why people rate him so highly i will never know.
If he beats Pavlik does he then have to wait around for teh next star to e,erge and then get called coward if he doesnt fight him ?
Joe doesnt need to worry about fighting guys of the new era . Pav will be around for a while. Joe is from the Jones era so I dont consider it to be avoiding Pavlik.
People will be saying he is avoiding Carl Froch next .
Wow welcome back Wacko i have not been around for the last week been really busy with the business now the flies are here but we missed ya;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Wacko2305
Yes he is. Jones has lost 3 of his last six. He is nothing like what he was. Pavlik hurts guys and out boxes them. Enzo and Joe are scared after they witnessed their boy get ripped in half.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philok so Calzaghe's a coward for fighting Jones but it's cool for Pavlik to fightQuote:
Originally Posted by southakron314
a guy who was only effective at Welterweight? surly you'd prefer to see him test the water against a super middle? To be honest I'd love to see Kessler fight Bute, he's a unbeaten fighter but one I think Kess can beat
Then the fight should have been made in 1999. Wait Jones was good back then. Why is it taking this long for this fight to be made.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
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Originally Posted by southakron314Then the fight should have been made in 1999. Wait Jones was good back then. Why is it taking this long for this fight to be made.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
Jones didnt need Joe back then. Now the boots on th eother foot and Jones NEEDS joe. Everyone does. He is teh man everyone wants to face including Pav. But Joe is in teh great position of being bale to choose which big name he fights cuz he is on top on the p4p pile now and is undefeated which is summat not even Oscar De La Hoya has .
This is a business after all and I think Joe will go with the money . He will fight Jones but it will be in Wales.
Joe hasnt got so much a weakness to right hands, just his defence and head movement aint the greatest, he relies on his fitness and awkwardness, his opponents just cant keep up.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelWho has Hopkins NOT caught with his right hand? It's his best punch. Now Joe suddenly has a weakness for right hands? Your talking rubbishQuote:
Originally Posted by tysonbruno
He was caught a few times fluch by Kessler and Reid was the only person to take him to a split decision purely from his overhand rights.
Pavlik is much like Kessler but more aggresive, he doesnt have Kesslers defence or chin though, it would be an exciting fight but Knowing full well that Pavlik is a puncher and has a good right, im sure hed be prepared for it.
I agree that Calzaghe just doesnt want anymore hard nights, he is 36 and is the most consistent fighter in a long time, 11 years as a champ, undefeated is a very long time, especially in a sport like boxing.
Joe wants cash and fame now, you cant blame him but if Pavlik really wants to shoot up the p4p rankings and be something special, offer Joe big money and let him fight in Wales where their would be a bigger gate by far, make him an offer he cant refuse.
Good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Froch needs to start by beating a B-level opponent before he jumps up to an A-level guy. Inkin would have a been a start, but let him a beat a Bute or an Andrade. A perfect record against club fighters mean nothing and if Froch was really interested in fighting Calzaghe, he should have stepped up his competition a few fights ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
Your right. His defense and Pav's chin are better. Pavlik would beat Andrade, Kessler , Bute and Calzaghe in my opionion. None of these guys have his conditioning, power , work rate ,and class.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossJoe hasnt got so much a weakness to right hands, just his defence and head movement aint the greatest, he relies on his fitness and awkwardness, his opponents just cant keep up.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelWho has Hopkins NOT caught with his right hand? It's his best punch. Now Joe suddenly has a weakness for right hands? Your talking rubbishQuote:
Originally Posted by tysonbruno
He was caught a few times fluch by Kessler and Reid was the only person to take him to a split decision purely from his overhand rights.
Pavlik is much like Kessler but more aggresive, he doesnt have Kesslers defence or chin though, it would be an exciting fight but Knowing full well that Pavlik is a puncher and has a good right, im sure hed be prepared for it.
I agree that Calzaghe just doesnt want anymore hard nights, he is 36 and is the most consistent fighter in a long time, 11 years as a champ, undefeated is a very long time, especially in a sport like boxing.
Joe wants cash and fame now, you cant blame him but if Pavlik really wants to shoot up the p4p rankings and be something special, offer Joe big money and let him fight in Wales where their would be a bigger gate by far, make him an offer he cant refuse.
lets not forget that Taylor made the 2nd fight with Pavlik very close.. i just think that Calzaghe would do wat JT did in the second fight but in an all round better way..
UD Calzaghe
Its about time you came backQuote:
Originally Posted by Wacko2305
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Originally Posted by gudnite vienna
the same logic im sensing.
Youre not gonna out punch or outscore JC, To beat calzaghe youve gotta stop him and although pavlik has more than enough power i dont see him outwitting calzaghe and turning the fight into his kind of fight.
JC will work away at pavlik from angles and would look to trade as little as possible picking away and timing his counters with precision.
117-111 Calzaghe
Maybe I should just never argue with you because if I do I'm forced to read your ridiculously long posts, I just don't have the attention span.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboWhat I'm saying is that Calzaghe, in wanting to fight Jones Jr is trying to cement his legacy with a win over a a proven Hall of Famer.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFanBilbo, what are you on about now ? ;D Seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Legacy wise a win would have been huge over Jones if he actually had any legs and didn't look almost completely shot. I don't know, maybe there are some who will still think this would be some kind of big win. The fact that pretty much everyone here accepts that Pavlik would be a tougher fight says something though.
But the bigger problem with this post is you act like Pavlik is going to retire after the Calzaghe fight.
"If Calzaghe fights Pavlik and wins, then all Pavlik did was beat Taylor and defend against a nobody in Gary Lockett. His legacy won't be that impressive in hindsight so Calzaghe won't gain much from the victory."
Is he never going to fight again :confused: You have no idea what Pavlik will accomplish after the Calzaghe fight. He may go on to have a few more good/great wins and legacy wise it will have just been that he lost to a better more experienced fighter in Calzaghe. And Calzaghe will be seen as having a very good win at the end of his career over a young, stong, prime fighter. Or maybe not, the point is you and I have no idea what Pavlik is going to do so to say that Calzaghe would have beat a guy who only beat Taylor is bizarre.
And the win over Lacy has been diminished because for one it was just such a mismatch (not the case with Kessler and Hopkins and hence they haven't been diminished as much) and two Lacy has looked horrible his last two fights against lesser opposition, give or take a shoulder problem.
In the long run that IS what people will remember most.
Look at Lennox Lewis, his most famous wins are against past their primes Tyson and Holyfield. Aside from that he's famous for his two losses.
How many people remember Roberto Duran for his fine win over the unbeaten world champ Davy Moore?
How many people remember Trevor Berbick for anything other than his wins over Ali and his loss to Tyson?
When people think of Michael Spinks what do they think of? My guess is his distruction at the hands of Tyson and American fans will also remember his wins over Larry Holmes.
Beating an all time great DOES make your resume, whether the opponent is past his best or not.
Jones Jr was the undisputed best fighter on the planet for many years. He was a boxing superstar and is an absolute legend of the sport.
What fighter in the world wouldn't want to have his name on their resume?
So what that he's past his best he's still by far the biggest name in boxing from 160 to heavyweight.
To suggest that Calzaghe would benefit more from a fight with Pavlik is just absurd.
As has already been mentioned a fight with Pavlik couldn't even be sold as a PPV. A Jones Jr fight would be far bigger. It would make Calzahge more money. It would be the biggest fight on his resume by far.
Like you, I'd rather see him fight Pavlik, I think it would be a more competitive fight and more meaningful to the boxing situation right now, but if I was in Calzaghe's shoes without hesitation I'd want Roy Jones.
Pavlik thus far hasn't done anything. He's beaten Jermain Taylor twice but he's nowhere near being a Hall of Famer just yet. If Calzaghe beat him, and then he lost his next fight, then he was just a belt holder, yesterdays news.
Let me ask you this, should Calzaghe fight Jermain Taylor? Would that be a huge legacy defining win? We both know the answer is no. Taylor has been defeated twice by Pavlik, once by knockout and so is no longer considered the future of the middleweight division. A win over him wouldn't matter that much.
Well, if Calzaghe fought and defeated Pavlik, the situation would be no different. Pavlik's status would be restrospectively downgraded and people would just say he was a technically limited fighter.
That's why every fighter likes to fight a legend. A legend can't be 'exposed', they can't have their past exploits and glories erased, they have already achieved. They have already proven themselves and so a win over any of them is a big deal.
If Calzaghe beats Jones Jr it's in the history books, whether he was past his best or not.
Look through past history, the only names that stick in your memory regarding any fighter are their wins over big stars.
Who remembers Randy Turpin for something other than his win over Robinson?
Who rememebers Hector Camacho for something other than his win over Ray Leonard?
Iran Barkely is famous for his win over Hearns and loss to Duran.
I'm not talking about hardcore fans here, I'm talking about the general sporting fan's consciousness.
In the final analysis Calzaghe would be remembered MUCH MUCH MUCH more for a win over Roy Jones Jr than he would ove Kelly Pavlik.
I don't agree with most of your examples. Randy Turpin beat SRR but that wasn't a shot SRR. Nobody cares that Joey Archer beat SRR in his last fight, it wasn't the same SRR just like it wouldn't be the same Roy. How many of us would even know Joey Archer's name if it wasn't for going through SRR's record on boxrec? Iran Barkley didn't beat a shot Hearns. And I have no idea where you're going with the Camacho reference, the SRL win did not make him famous. Berbick was more famous just for the Tyson loss as people know the win over Ali didn't really matter.
Also I guess were talking about two things, being known to the public and having a legacy boxing wise. Lennox (although he was already known) fighting Tyson may have done something for his exposure but it won't make a difference to people when they rate him as a heavyweight. Just like twenty years from now people will just say that Calzaghe beat a shot Roy when he could have been fighting a prime fighter in Pavlik. It won't kill his legacy since he's already got one but it won't help.
As far as getting him more exposure, maybe so. I don't know how much exposure it will get him in Britain as I don't live there and don't know how famous he is already. In America, I doubt it will make that much of a difference. Joe's come on to late and he'll never be a big name here. Also Roy isn't the Roy of 4 years ago as a fighter or a name, Floyd's the name now, hell most people haven't even seen Roy's last two fights. He's off the radar now, I'm not saying his name recognition won't help sell the fight a bit but its light years apart from say Tyson fighting Lewis. Can't be compared.
I could say more but that's a ridiculously long post as it is, even longer than yours that I was complaining about.