Re: Where Is Floyd Mayweather Ranked In All Time Listings Now He Has Retired?
Top 30 or so.
If he had cleaned out 147 and stayed undefeated doing it, he'd be up in Top 10.
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How anyone can make a case for a fighter to be among the all time greats when his 3 biggest wins are a 35 year old Oscar, a one dimensional and undersized Hatton, and a shot/punching bag in Gatti...is beyond me. There is no arguing that those three fighters are the BIGGEST names on his resume. Sure, he fought some good competition earlier in his career...but in recent years he has handpicked some real average foes. He gets some props for going up in weight to fight Oscar...but that fight cannot be called a career defining fight. I think it's a combination of Floyd not being in a particularly strong era for fighters in his weight classes (this aint no days of Duran, Hearns, Hagler, Leonard) and also him handpicking less than spectacular opponents. It doesn't help that you always get the sense that Floyd fights more for money and publicity rather than personal challenges and a legacy. Sure, no one can question his incredible skill. But that is not enough to be mentioned among the truly all time greats.
Those are the 3 biggest names, but not his best wins.
I'll take his wins over Hernandez, Corrales, Manfredy, or Castillo anyday over the win over a terribly overmatched Gatti.
I wasn't too impressed with the performance against DLH. DLH is bigger and all so that helps in Mayweather's favor, but Floyd was rather underwhelming and disappointing in that fight.
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How anyone can make a case for a fighter to be among the all time greats when his 3 biggest wins are a 35 year old Oscar, a one dimensional and undersized Hatton, and a shot/punching bag in Gatti...is beyond me. There is no arguing that those three fighters are the BIGGEST names on his resume. Sure, he fought some good competition earlier in his career...but in recent years he has handpicked some real average foes. He gets some props for going up in weight to fight Oscar...but that fight cannot be called a career defining fight. I think it's a combination of Floyd not being in a particularly strong era for fighters in his weight classes (this aint no days of Duran, Hearns, Hagler, Leonard) and also him handpicking less than spectacular opponents. It doesn't help that you always get the sense that Floyd fights more for money and publicity rather than personal challenges and a legacy. Sure, no one can question his incredible skill. But that is not enough to be mentioned among the truly all time greats.
Those are the 3 biggest names, but not his best wins.
I'll take his wins over Hernandez, Corrales, Manfredy, or Castillo anyday over the win over a terribly overmatched Gatti.
I wasn't too impressed with the performance against DLH. DLH is bigger and all so that helps in Mayweather's favor, but Floyd was rather underwhelming and disappointing in that fight.
I agree. Those aren't the best fighters he has faced...but those are the three names that have given him the most publicity and hype. As i stated earlier, he fought and beat some good fighters early in his career...but nothing on his resume jumps out for me and says "top 10 greatest fighter of all time." I have in the top 30 or there abouts....but he doesn't come close to top 10.
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How anyone can make a case for a fighter to be among the all time greats when his 3 biggest wins are a 35 year old Oscar, a one dimensional and undersized Hatton, and a shot/punching bag in Gatti...is beyond me. There is no arguing that those three fighters are the BIGGEST names on his resume. Sure, he fought some good competition earlier in his career...but in recent years he has handpicked some real average foes. He gets some props for going up in weight to fight Oscar...but that fight cannot be called a career defining fight. I think it's a combination of Floyd not being in a particularly strong era for fighters in his weight classes (this aint no days of Duran, Hearns, Hagler, Leonard) and also him handpicking less than spectacular opponents. It doesn't help that you always get the sense that Floyd fights more for money and publicity rather than personal challenges and a legacy. Sure, no one can question his incredible skill. But that is not enough to be mentioned among the truly all time greats.
Those are the 3 biggest names, but not his best wins.
I'll take his wins over Hernandez, Corrales, Manfredy, or Castillo anyday over the win over a terribly overmatched Gatti.
I wasn't too impressed with the performance against DLH. DLH is bigger and all so that helps in Mayweather's favor, but Floyd was rather underwhelming and disappointing in that fight.
I agree. Those aren't the best fighters he has faced...but those are the three names that have given him the most publicity and hype. As i stated earlier, he fought and beat some good fighters early in his career...but nothing on his resume jumps out for me and says "top 10 greatest fighter of all time." I have in the top 30 or there abouts....but he doesn't come close to top 10.
Top 30, is really, really, really impressive.
I'm a fan of him but I'm thinking that ranking him that highly might be a bit of a stretch.
It's very hard to compare anyway.
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Those are the 3 biggest names, but not his best wins.
I'll take his wins over Hernandez, Corrales, Manfredy, or Castillo anyday over the win over a terribly overmatched Gatti.
I wasn't too impressed with the performance against DLH. DLH is bigger and all so that helps in Mayweather's favor, but Floyd was rather underwhelming and disappointing in that fight.
I agree. Those aren't the best fighters he has faced...but those are the three names that have given him the most publicity and hype. As i stated earlier, he fought and beat some good fighters early in his career...but nothing on his resume jumps out for me and says "top 10 greatest fighter of all time." I have in the top 30 or there abouts....but he doesn't come close to top 10.
Top 30, is really, really, really impressive.
I'm a fan of him but I'm thinking that ranking him that highly might be a bit of a stretch.
It's very hard to compare anyway.
I rank him more for his skill and defense than i do his resume. I am not huge Floyd fan, but i can appreciate that he is a highly skilled fighter. Skill wise he compares favorably with the all time greats.
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It's time to resurrect this thread due to FMJ's latest retirement.
So, where does he stand now?
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It's time to resurrect this thread due to FMJ's latest retirement.
So, where does he stand now?
Solid top 10-15 ATG. Hard for me to put him over SRR, Hank Armstrong, Duran, Ray Leonard, Ali, Whitaker...etc. things that hurt him in my rankings:
1. Quality of opposition: Floyd didn't duck anyone and at one point was chasing the big fights, but he never beat a prime Pac, Cotto, Kostya...etc., level fighter. Hatton, Chico, Castillo were all prime but a level below, and Pac just wasn't anywhere near his best. Just to be clear, I think he beats all of those guys regardless, but I can't put him over say Leonard who beat prime Hearns, Benitez, Duran and Hagler.
2. Pac fight debacle: Dominated his perceived greatest rival by minimizing punching opportunities. For all of the hype, money, and potential of this fight Floyd never pushed himself or tried to get. The stoppage for the fans. Boxing is worse off after that fight, and Floyd is more to blame because he was the better fighter who could dictate what went on in the ring. Hard to rank him over, say.... Ali, who made boxing a global sports priority in his fights with Frazier and Foreman.
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After another 6 years of undefeated excellence after his first retirement, Floyd is at #1 of all time.
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Floyd gets knocked out by Hearns, Leonard and Robinson so how is he the best ever?
Floyd is not bigger than Ali, who is over 75 and still more known than him so how is he the best ever?
Floyd is not entertaining and always goes to points decision even against a handpicked opponent who has been stopped still could not manage to knock out so how is he the best ever.
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Floyd gets knocked out by Hearns, Leonard and Robinson so how is he the best ever?
Floyd is not bigger than Ali, who is over 75 and still more known than him so how is he the best ever?
Floyd is not entertaining and always goes to points decision even against a handpicked opponent who has been stopped still could not manage to knock out so how is he the best ever.
Spoken like someone who knows nothing about boxing.
But you're British, so why is that surprising. There hasn't been a good fighter out of England since Eubank.
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Floyd gets knocked out by Hearns, Leonard and Robinson so how is he the best ever?
Floyd is not bigger than Ali, who is over 75 and still more known than him so how is he the best ever?
Floyd is not entertaining and always goes to points decision even against a handpicked opponent who has been stopped still could not manage to knock out so how is he the best ever.
Spoken like someone who knows nothing about boxing.
But you're British, so why is that surprising. There hasn't been a good fighter out of England since Eubank.
Canada has who? Lennox is ours Muppet.
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Top 5 but I still got SRR, Ali, and Armstrong above him...maybe Monzon too. 4 or 5.
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He wears hats that say TBE therefore he must be number 1
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Top 10 maybe? To 20 without a shadow of doubt.
Top 5? No way.
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Top 10 maybe? To 20 without a shadow of doubt.
Top 5? No way.
Agree. No way can someone argue his place over Robinson, Armstrong, Ali, Pep, Duran, Leonard...etc. I can see a case for him to be around 9 or 10, which is still phenomenal, but I just can't see him breaking into the top 8 with his quality of opposition.
