ESPN says Pavlik - Hopkins for October 18th. who wins

i got pavlik by tko or ko cal was letting hopkins have it just didnt hit hard enough pavlik does. and lets just put a spin on it where used to hopkins being the puncher at his old age i dont see him being the puncher and in his last fight he did nothing at all pavlik young fresh and hungry is going to do what he always does come forword and let his hands go

Pavlik by Ko

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I voted Pavlik by Ko, Give the Devil's it due. Hopkins is a All Time Great, But with age and a one punch at a time deficit , Pavlik should take him out around the late mid rounds.

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Again... I'm a huge Pavlik fan, and never been a Hopkins fan. But a KO? That'd be one of the easiest bets in boxing. If Hopkins has avoided getting KO'ed throughout his career, even from much bigger guys, what makes you think that Pavlik's going to do it?

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Simply because this is Pavlik

pavlik by ko rd 6

then fiht calzaghe or abraham arthur

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Originally Posted by death

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A little while ago alot of people we're talking about Joe Calzaghe being just too experienced for Pavlik at this stage of his career and it would be horribly wrong if Pavlik took on the Welshman. I am one of the people who thought Hopkins beat Calzaghe. Now people are coming out of the trees talking about when Pavlik K.O.'s Hopkins, or dominates Hopkins, it's going to send a clear picture to Calzaghe, he's the real deal and bla bla bla.
Oct 18, school is in session Pavlik.;)

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Yep Graduate School and Hopkins will be put into Retirement

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That was funny.;D

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Yep that was some funny dum shat ya said

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Originally Posted by truth32

i got pavlik by tko or ko cal was letting hopkins have it just didnt hit hard enough pavlik does. and lets just put a spin on it where used to hopkins being the puncher at his old age i dont see him being the puncher and in his last fight he did nothing at all pavlik young fresh and hungry is going to do what he always does come forword and let his hands go

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Hops power may be uner rated cuz I think Joe has a more reliable chin than Pav and he was dopwn in the opener . Also Joe has a superb boxing brain and it was a very close fight he shared with Hopkins. Pavlik comes in , in straight lines and it may be easier for Hopkins to use his experience in there .

Pav may be underestimating what Hop has left . If he expects this to be a quick win and to look good then I think he is wrong . Its going 12 and its gonna be ugly .

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Originally Posted by GAME

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Originally Posted by truth32

i got pavlik by tko or ko cal was letting hopkins have it just didnt hit hard enough pavlik does. and lets just put a spin on it where used to hopkins being the puncher at his old age i dont see him being the puncher and in his last fight he did nothing at all pavlik young fresh and hungry is going to do what he always does come forword and let his hands go

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Hops power may be uner rated cuz I think Joe has a more reliable chin than Pav and he was dopwn in the opener . Also Joe has a superb boxing brain and it was a very close fight he shared with Hopkins. Pavlik comes in , in straight lines and it may be easier for Hopkins to use his experience in there .

Pav may be underestimating what Hop has left . If he expects this to be a quick win and to look good then I think he is wrong . Its going 12 and its gonna be ugly .

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how was the cal vs hopkins fight close i saw it one way the whole fight and i figured thats how it would go to much speed for hopkins b hop put cal down because he was off blance not because of power and like i said this time pavlik is the presure fighter with great range he comes in put keeps his distance

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i got pavlik by tko or ko cal was letting hopkins have it just didnt hit hard enough pavlik does. and lets just put a spin on it where used to hopkins being the puncher at his old age i dont see him being the puncher and in his last fight he did nothing at all pavlik young fresh and hungry is going to do what he always does come forword and let his hands go

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Hops power may be uner rated cuz I think Joe has a more reliable chin than Pav and he was dopwn in the opener . Also Joe has a superb boxing brain and it was a very close fight he shared with Hopkins. Pavlik comes in , in straight lines and it may be easier for Hopkins to use his experience in there .

Pav may be underestimating what Hop has left . If he expects this to be a quick win and to look good then I think he is wrong . Its going 12 and its gonna be ugly .

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how was the cal vs hopkins fight close i saw it one way the whole fight and i figured thats how it would go to much speed for hopkins b hop put cal down because he was off blance not because of power and like i said this time pavlik is the presure fighter with great range he comes in put keeps his distance

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But wait a minute you Calzaghe lackies. You say Calzaghe is never off balance he has the best foot work in the game. Better than Mayweather you guys think . I think you all are wrong. Calzaghe went down from a conter right that stunned Joe and messed his equaliberum up.
Pavlik murders Calzaghe inside of 9.

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Originally Posted by southakron314

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Originally Posted by truth32

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Originally Posted by GAME

Hops power may be uner rated cuz I think Joe has a more reliable chin than Pav and he was dopwn in the opener . Also Joe has a superb boxing brain and it was a very close fight he shared with Hopkins. Pavlik comes in , in straight lines and it may be easier for Hopkins to use his experience in there .

Pav may be underestimating what Hop has left . If he expects this to be a quick win and to look good then I think he is wrong . Its going 12 and its gonna be ugly .

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how was the cal vs hopkins fight close i saw it one way the whole fight and i figured thats how it would go to much speed for hopkins b hop put cal down because he was off blance not because of power and like i said this time pavlik is the presure fighter with great range he comes in put keeps his distance

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But wait a minute you Calzaghe lackies. You say Calzaghe is never off balance he has the best foot work in the game. Better than Mayweather you guys think . I think you all are wrong. Calzaghe went down from a conter right that stunned Joe and messed his equaliberum up.
Pavlik murders Calzaghe inside of 9.

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What does Pavlik bring that Calzaghe hasn't faced in Kessler ?

and include the fact that he is slow and predictable.

Pavlik might have good power but the reason calzaghe has been undefeated so long is because of his granite chin.

I like the guy but his resume is probably the most overated today. wins over Miranda and Taylor. Thats it. ;)

Calzaghe beats Pavlik with his superior footwork and handspeed, and counters the predictable pavlik coming in. Pavliks right hand may cause calzaghe problems and might even put him down but Calzaghe will adjust like he did with Kessler and win a UD.

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Originally Posted by truth32

how was the cal vs hopkins fight close i saw it one way the whole fight and i figured thats how it would go to much speed for hopkins b hop put cal down because he was off blance not because of power and like i said this time pavlik is the presure fighter with great range he comes in put keeps his distance

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But wait a minute you Calzaghe lackies. You say Calzaghe is never off balance he has the best foot work in the game. Better than Mayweather you guys think . I think you all are wrong. Calzaghe went down from a conter right that stunned Joe and messed his equaliberum up.
Pavlik murders Calzaghe inside of 9.

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What does Pavlik bring that Calzaghe hasn't faced in Kessler ?

and include the fact that he is slow and predictable.

Pavlik might have good power but the reason calzaghe has been undefeated so long is because of his granite chin.

I like the guy but his resume is probably the most overated today. wins over Miranda and Taylor. Thats it. ;)

Calzaghe beats Pavlik with his superior footwork and handspeed, and counters the predictable pavlik coming in. Pavliks right hand may cause calzaghe problems and might even put him down but Calzaghe will adjust like he did with Kessler and win a UD.

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I agree with this, and I don't think the Hopkins fight is gonna help or prove anything with PAvlik.

What I'd like to see is Pavlik fight Abrahams and if he impresses then I'd give him a better chance against Calzaghe

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Originally Posted by Pugilistic

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Originally Posted by southakron314

But wait a minute you Calzaghe lackies. You say Calzaghe is never off balance he has the best foot work in the game. Better than Mayweather you guys think . I think you all are wrong. Calzaghe went down from a conter right that stunned Joe and messed his equaliberum up.
Pavlik murders Calzaghe inside of 9.

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What does Pavlik bring that Calzaghe hasn't faced in Kessler ?

and include the fact that he is slow and predictable.

Pavlik might have good power but the reason calzaghe has been undefeated so long is because of his granite chin.

I like the guy but his resume is probably the most overated today. wins over Miranda and Taylor. Thats it. ;)

Calzaghe beats Pavlik with his superior footwork and handspeed, and counters the predictable pavlik coming in. Pavliks right hand may cause calzaghe problems and might even put him down but Calzaghe will adjust like he did with Kessler and win a UD.

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I agree with this, and I don't think the Hopkins fight is gonna help or prove anything with PAvlik.

What I'd like to see is Pavlik fight Abrahams and if he impresses then I'd give him a better chance against Calzaghe

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I agree too. Pavlik is a power puncher but lets not overlook that he is rather plodding at times and Jermain did well in the rematch. Joe has an amazing ability to adjust during a fight so even if his machismo gets the better of him and he decides to match Pav punch for punch , the time will come where he decides to just get the win and thats where he turns it on . Pav hasnt got a plan b and will keep on doing the same thing . Joe however just as he did vs Kess and Hopkins will see whats working , find the answers and be able to outsmart Pavlik in every aspect of the game with his experience, boxing skill and speed.

Hopkins was a ring genuis but in round 4 you clearly see Joe work him out, instead of coming in with his flurries trying to look good, Joe would step in behind his right jab , get out of range again, force Hopkins to work then counter him 5-1 . He did it on volume and ring smarts . I consider Hopkins to be a much smarter fighter than Pavlik so If Joe can out wit him then Pav would be a walk in the park in comparrisson . I also think Hop is holding the aces vs Pavlik . Its just pace and strength of Pav down the stretch that he has got be concerned about .