Worst cases of Pugilistic dementia

Ive been told ive got it pretty bad ;D



.......seriously though :-\

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Originally Posted by means2184

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Originally Posted by The Shadow

Outside of Jerry Quarry and Ali, Floyd Patterson comes to mind, Joe Frazier, Hearns, Holyfield; Terry Norris was so bad that at a Nevada State Athletic Commission hearing over his pending re-licensing, he could barely form complete sentences. :cwm36:
I'm sure there are tons of others that come to you guys.

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Frazier & holyfeild BY NO MEANS HAVE PUGILISTIC DEMENSIA ..WHICH IS BASICLY MORE LIKE ALSEIHNMERS BUT JUST FROM BOXING

frazier & holyfeild have no such symptonms ....most carreer boxers talk slower or slur some as they progress in there 10+ yrs of boxing

but PUGILISTIC DEMENSIA IS LIKE ALSEIMERS

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Agreed. On the other hand we could just talk brain damage. You are spot on though. Frazier seems perfectly lucid, but thick with the tongue. I'm not sure about Holyfield. I agree with your analysis up to now, but Frazier's battering ended years ago. Holyfield could be in for a world of brain damage given how slowly dementia shows its self. I don't think Holyfield shows full-blown dementia, but I think he is starting to sound a little dumber than before....

That's just my take though and I freely admit that it is a marginal difference at most.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

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Originally Posted by Dcscorpio

Tommy Hearns,Ray Leonard,Holyfield

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Tommy Hearns and Ray Leonard are still in pretty good shape compared to others.

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Leonard seems to be doing fine. Hearns has a tremendous speech impediment.

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Originally Posted by yoitsdan

I know this isn't pugilistic dementia but I thinks there's some correlation with this thread. Frank Bruno and my dad both suffer from a form of depression called bipolar syndrome, my dad boxed 42 amateur fights over 7 years, and I wonder if there's any link. Bipolar is caused by irregular levels of serotonin and dopamine being released at different times, causing over-happiness followed by crushing 'downers' that last much longer. Any insights?

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I don't know the answer to that, but there is a lot of depression among well-known boxers. On the other hand these guys are often facing other problems and the rate of depression in the public generally is higher than is normally perceived.

I haven't over the decades seen a correlation between boxing and bipolar / manic and I tend to doubt there is one.

I have seen many cases of boxers with depression, but, as I'm sure you know, that is very different from bipolar.

A lot of the boxers with depression later expressed a need to stay away from recreational drugs. Bipolar on the other hand is not, to my knowledge directly connected to drugs, exercise or even head trauma.

Terry Norris has signs of it.

But I think the worst I've seen is Bobby Chacon.

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Originally Posted by magnum

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Originally Posted by mucho testosterone

Obviously Ali, Frazier, Ken Norton doesn't sound good either but that could be due to his auto accident, sadly Holyfield, Bowe, and................ Toney has been developing quite a stuttering problem lately, saw him on The Best Damn Sports Show Period and he's starting to trip over the verbage a little.

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its because he talks fast. its not the same as the other guys.

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Try comparing an interview with Toney from now and the early 90s and try to convince yourself he isnt punch drunk. He will be a quivering wreck by the time he is 60

Buster Douglas seems pretty fucked up

I'll say Gerald McClellan:-\.

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Originally Posted by dav8d777

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Originally Posted by Dcscorpio

Tommy Hearns,Ray Leonard,Holyfield

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Tommy Hearns and Ray Leonard are still in pretty good shape compared to others.

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Leonard seems to be doing fine. Hearns has a tremendous speech impediment.

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Leonard has never been a smooth talker, IMO he really sucked as a boxing commentator back in the day, check out Arguello-Mancini for an example.

Great great scrapper though.