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This fight wasn't even close in any way at all! Pavlik landed nothing in 12 rounds and was completely schooled by Hopkins, if he thinks for a second Hopkins isn't any good or isn't crafty then Pavlik took some harder shots than i thought in this fight. It was damn near a shut out on my scorecard.
Get back to Middleweight Kelly, challenge Abraham and get your career back on track and don't talk any more shit!!
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Originally Posted by intoccabile
I was being sarcastic with the ghost tying his hands rofl.Quote:
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Originally Posted by intoccabile
I must have missed the ghost tying his hands down part???
He said he didn't know why he didn't fight his best. He said he was in shape, not tired, felt fine, just couldn't do what he normally does. Maybe it was because Bhop was so good, but maybe it was because he had an off night and Bhop was good. Don't know, but he didn't sound like he bitched about Bhop.
I have played basketball games where I just missed shots i've made a million times and it felt like I couldn't make a basket. Not injured, no problems, got positions to take the shots and should have made them just didn't. When I lose that way I am pissed and complain alot. Not about the other team or players, just about how I played. Losing sucks always, but it's worse when you didn't play your best. That's how Kelly sounded to me. He acknowledged he got his butt kicked, but complained about how he fought, not how Hopkins fought.
How would an experienced fighters complain? Bhop cheated, I was sick, the ref interfered, I won but the judges don't like me, HBO made sure their fighter won, I was robbed, I got a fukked up promoter, I overtrained, I was shooting a movie?????
I don't see how it was "lack of experience" talking. Those excuses above were by experienced guys like Bhop, Hatton, Judah, Lennox......
And it was a lack of experience talking because he doesn't know what was wrong in there.
What was wrong is he's never fought a fighter with lateral movement, someone who can take his tools from him
the way bhop did. Did you see teh SCARED look on his face after the 12th round? During the scuffle, teh way he backed up with absolute
horror in his eyes? Did you see the look of disbelief and humble afterwards?
Its the first time he felt USELESS. .and there are many fighters who can make people feel this way, Bhop being one of them.
He's never had that happen before, he's never had that EXPERIENCE in the ring before. So his only arguement is " It can't be that he was too crafty, i mean.. taylor beat him twice! I beat taylor twice! taylor and calzaghe hit him at will! I just couldnt get anything going.. i dont know.. i tjust wasnt me "
This is the lack of experience talking. When you say you dont know why you didn't beat someone that someone you had beaten beat, thats lack of experience.
I haven't watched the fight yet. I am mainly commenting on people picking apart what was said. First off they come up and ask you a question after a fight and you are forced to answer it or be an ass and not allow it. So they ask you what happened and why did you get your ass kicked? That's a tough question.... Anyway to me he acknowledged that he got whooped, but also said he was frustrated that he didn't perform well. I just don't see it as insulting Bhop.
An undefeated fighter usually hasn't experienced being dominated in the ring. I think he kept his cool and didn't come off like an ass. He addressed what happened and turned the criticism on himself.
Do you seriously think that given the last few performances by Bhop the fight would have went that way? Taking the last 5 years into consideration Bhop hasn't fought that well. I didn't feel it was a good fight for Pavlik and Bhop is tough but a shutout???? Nobody predicted that and I think it had something to do with Pavlik having a bit of an off night the same night Bhop had a great one. I think that's typically how it goes when 2 top level guys meet and one is absolutely dominating. Usually it's not just that one guy is so much better, usually it's a great night on a bad night.
Like most of the Superbowls that were blowouts. There's not a huge disparity in talent on the teams.
Not at all man, no one would have thought bhop would have fought like that. I cant remember the last time i saw Bernard put a combo together. He does 1 punch and grab, that's it. He was a different person the other night,you are 100% right.Quote:
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Originally Posted by intoccabileI was being sarcastic with the ghost tying his hands rofl.Quote:
Originally Posted by luvfightgame
And it was a lack of experience talking because he doesn't know what was wrong in there.
What was wrong is he's never fought a fighter with lateral movement, someone who can take his tools from him
the way bhop did. Did you see teh SCARED look on his face after the 12th round? During the scuffle, teh way he backed up with absolute
horror in his eyes? Did you see the look of disbelief and humble afterwards?
Its the first time he felt USELESS. .and there are many fighters who can make people feel this way, Bhop being one of them.
He's never had that happen before, he's never had that EXPERIENCE in the ring before. So his only arguement is " It can't be that he was too crafty, i mean.. taylor beat him twice! I beat taylor twice! taylor and calzaghe hit him at will! I just couldnt get anything going.. i dont know.. i tjust wasnt me "
This is the lack of experience talking. When you say you dont know why you didn't beat someone that someone you had beaten beat, thats lack of experience.
I haven't watched the fight yet. I am mainly commenting on people picking apart what was said. First off they come up and ask you a question after a fight and you are forced to answer it or be an ass and not allow it. So they ask you what happened and why did you get your ass kicked? That's a tough question.... Anyway to me he acknowledged that he got whooped, but also said he was frustrated that he didn't perform well. I just don't see it as insulting Bhop.
An undefeated fighter usually hasn't experienced being dominated in the ring. I think he kept his cool and didn't come off like an ass. He addressed what happened and turned the criticism on himself.
Do you seriously think that given the last few performances by Bhop the fight would have went that way? Taking the last 5 years into consideration Bhop hasn't fought that well. I didn't feel it was a good fight for Pavlik and Bhop is tough but a shutout???? Nobody predicted that and I think it had something to do with Pavlik having a bit of an off night the same night Bhop had a great one. I think that's typically how it goes when 2 top level guys meet and one is absolutely dominating. Usually it's not just that one guy is so much better, usually it's a great night on a bad night.
Like most of the Superbowls that were blowouts. There's not a huge disparity in talent on the teams.
But experience fighters don't look at the tapes and prepare solely for what is on the film, thats not how it works, and definitely a bad move on kelly and their teams part.. assuming that was the big issue. You have to be prepared for anything in there and be able to change your game plan up on the fly. This is what seperates the good from the great.
kelly couldn't do that. Bhop didn't fight like he does on film, and suddenly the fights out of reach. He didn't attempt to change his tactic up once. This is inexperience and something they will capitalize on i hope.
Bhop boxed, bhop took more chances, finally we see Bhop fight. It has been a long time since we have seen Bhop just bring it. He looked fresh all night long. I would love to see Bhop Calzaghe 2. I think this version of Bhop would give Calzaghe a much better run for his money.
You see thats it, I think he felt He had to initiate and under no circumstances let Pavlik get going.A case in point that watching a great boxer/tactician in action over 12 is just as nice as seeing a big KO,well Imo.All he was missing was a pointer and an over head projector in there.A clinic.Joe should focus on Jones,Should he win who knows but honestly,I'm not keen on a rematch.One that was mentioned was Hopkins/Dawson....that has me with raised eyebrow's.Quote:
Originally Posted by brucelees_vassal
one that would never happen, hopkins is smart. He wants big money, not to ruin up and comers. Another huge win for dawson would put him in serious money contention but who else could dawson possibly beat that makes people want to see him and nard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsYou see thats it, I think he felt He had to initiate and under no circumstances let Pavlik get going.A case in point that watching a great boxer/tactician in action over 12 is just as nice as seeing a big KO,well Imo.All he was missing was a pointer and an over head projector in there.A clinic.Joe should focus on Jones,Should he win who knows but honestly,I'm not keen on a rematch.One that was mentioned was Hopkins/Dawson....that has me with raised eyebrow's.Quote:
Originally Posted by brucelees_vassal
As it stands now, he's just a young guy with skill but he's not a draw.
Pavlik said that quite soon after the fight. He had just lost his first fight and was probably a little shellshocked regarding what happened out there.
His words should not be picked apart. They are the musings of a person who has just been given a big jolt. You shouldnt read too much into what he says here.
How? Calzaghe forced him to fight at a greater pace than he likes, this gave Bernard no time to think in there and find the shots because as soon as he saw an opening he was getting flurried by Joe, stopping his attack, the same way Hopkins stopped pavliks attack, he took away his best weapon.Quote:
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Word.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Talk about the ultimate crossroads.Hopkins can be as cunning a businessman as he is a fighter and although stellar Saturday night,he is looking for a short term big bank exit within at least a year Imo.As a fan, I hope anyway.Pretty much rides On Calzaghe/Jones.Should Jones pull it off vs. Calzaghe....he and Hopkins logically and monetarily could do nice numbers and generate huge fan interest in the rematch??Quote:
Originally Posted by intoccabileone that would never happen, hopkins is smart. He wants big money, not to ruin up and comers. Another huge win for dawson would put him in serious money contention but who else could Dawson possibly beat that makes people want to see him and nard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsYou see thats it, I think he felt He had to initiate and under no circumstances let Pavlik get going.A case in point that watching a great boxer/tactician in action over 12 is just as nice as seeing a big KO,well Imo.All he was missing was a pointer and an over head projector in there.A clinic.Joe should focus on Jones,Should he win who knows but honestly,I'm not keen on a rematch.One that was mentioned was Hopkins/Dawson....that has me with raised eyebrow's.Quote:
Originally Posted by brucelees_vassal
As it stands now, he's just a young guy with skill but he's not a draw.
Agree on Dawson.I was impressed vs.Tarver and he is finding his own but who does he fight in the interim as the dust settles....Rematch with Johnson..??..I think Johnson is due for it but not sure Dawson & camp would see the Cents in it.Good question.They will bring someone he can look impressive against but I do think stylistically,Hop's and Dawson would be a nice go.Shite,as stubborn as Hopkins is,I doubt he will retire soon anyway.
This is Pavliks first loss so he probably is going to be in denial for a little while most boxers are always in denial when it comes to a loss.
Pavlik lost all 12 rounds, in my opinion. He should work on throwing pitter pat punches against speedier opposition. He was trying to extend his lanky punches against hopkins, but hopkins was just too quick. It was almost like tarver/dawson redux. Tarver and pavlik both looked like they were moving in sloooooooo motion.
Not from me fella, coz I couldn't give a shit! I've got no allegiance to Pavlick whatsoever, just an objective observation that from the 1st bell he looked different to previous fights.Quote:
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Originally Posted by caleoh12I also thought he wasn't himself. Even if he wasn't landing anything solid, Pavlik would usually just throw. He wasn't landing anything on Taylor during their second fight but he just kept throwing. I'm assuming Hopkins' shots were hurting Pavlik and he was just trying to be cautious.Quote:
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so im guessing theres gonna be another thread call "That wasnt Pavlik in the ring?"
When did an opponents lateral movement stop a fighter trying to throw punches??Quote:
Originally Posted by intoccabileI was being sarcastic with the ghost tying his hands rofl.Quote:
Originally Posted by luvfightgameWhen did an opponents lateral movement stop a fighter trying to throw punches ?Quote:
Originally Posted by intoccabile
I must have missed the ghost tying his hands down part???
He said he didn't know why he didn't fight his best. He said he was in shape, not tired, felt fine, just couldn't do what he normally does. Maybe it was because Bhop was so good, but maybe it was because he had an off night and Bhop was good. Don't know, but he didn't sound like he bitched about Bhop.
I have played basketball games where I just missed shots i've made a million times and it felt like I couldn't make a basket. Not injured, no problems, got positions to take the shots and should have made them just didn't. When I lose that way I am pissed and complain alot. Not about the other team or players, just about how I played. Losing sucks always, but it's worse when you didn't play your best. That's how Kelly sounded to me. He acknowledged he got his butt kicked, but complained about how he fought, not how Hopkins fought.
How would an experienced fighters complain? Bhop cheated, I was sick, the ref interfered, I won but the judges don't like me, HBO made sure their fighter won, I was robbed, I got a fukked up promoter, I overtrained, I was shooting a movie?????
I don't see how it was "lack of experience" talking. Those excuses above were by experienced guys like Bhop, Hatton, Judah, Lennox......
And it was a lack of experience talking because he doesn't know what was wrong in there.
What was wrong is he's never fought a fighter with lateral movement, someone who can take his tools from him
the way bhop did. Did you see teh SCARED look on his face after the 12th round? During the scuffle, teh way he backed up with absolute
horror in his eyes? Did you see the look of disbelief and humble afterwards?
Its the first time he felt USELESS. .and there are many fighters who can make people feel this way, Bhop being one of them.
He's never had that happen before, he's never had that EXPERIENCE in the ring before. So his only arguement is " It can't be that he was too crafty, i mean.. taylor beat him twice! I beat taylor twice! taylor and calzaghe hit him at will! I just couldnt get anything going.. i dont know.. i tjust wasnt me "
This is the lack of experience talking. When you say you dont know why you didn't beat someone that someone you had beaten beat, thats lack of experience.
Hopkins completely did a job on the guy and was different class, but Pavlick didn't thrown anything from the first bell. Go and watch the Miranda fight and watch how Pavlick starts. Don't get me wrong I don't rate Pavlick, but I do think he was in part master of his own downfall. I honestly think he was scared.
Defintly wouldnt knock him out, stop him? Possibly beat him up defintly, Calzaghe is way to much for Pavlik.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnkits not like calzaghe can beat pavlik because bernard beat pavlik. joe is no where as slick as hopkins, so he will get hit. and i hope u dont think calzaghe can ko kelly, cause he has no power at all. and how is his chin poor he took a beatin all 12 rounds and never went down once.Quote:
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Originally Posted by kingfrnk
A % of Pavliks fans were the worst i had ever seen. You were pretty bad your drunk ravings. Bit of a bummer him losing like that.
I always said how can a guy with no footwork and a chin that poor really be picked over Calzaghe?
guys are right, no point bagging Pavlik for these comments. what do you expect him to say? That he's not worthy or something???Quote:
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Originally Posted by miles
He's probably never felt so low in his life, very very few people would have been more gracious in that situation.
He is certainly in denial though, this SHOULD be a reality check for him to make some real adjustments. I think he also lost some of the hunger after the first Taylor fight, which is really bad for a pressure fighter when they lose that 'walk through anything' attitude, he was really weary of being hit by Hopkins and there was no real relaxation after that.
We'll see what Pavlik is made of in his next couple of fights.
I wouldn't go as far as calling them dick heads but it got pretty bad on here at one point with all the nut-hugging. Main reason i haven't been on in ages....it was getting all a little bit silly, especially after the Lockett fight.Quote:
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I find that comical coming from you, the most delusional abrasive Calzaghe fan around here...Quote:
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why talk shit about his fans. every fighter has die hard fans. Calzaghe, pavlik, pacman, bhop, roy jones, cotto, margarito, etc etc. but that doesnt mean there dickheads it just means that they really like there fighter thats it. there will always be DIE HARD fans or as u call em DICKHEADS so get used to it.
A % of Pavliks fans were the worst i had ever seen.
Calzaghe needs to have his feet planted to throw, thats how he fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HWhen did an opponents lateral movement stop a fighter trying to throw punches??Quote:
Originally Posted by intoccabileI was being sarcastic with the ghost tying his hands rofl.Quote:
Originally Posted by luvfightgame
And it was a lack of experience talking because he doesn't know what was wrong in there.
What was wrong is he's never fought a fighter with lateral movement, someone who can take his tools from him
the way bhop did. Did you see teh SCARED look on his face after the 12th round? During the scuffle, teh way he backed up with absolute
horror in his eyes? Did you see the look of disbelief and humble afterwards?
Its the first time he felt USELESS. .and there are many fighters who can make people feel this way, Bhop being one of them.
He's never had that happen before, he's never had that EXPERIENCE in the ring before. So his only arguement is " It can't be that he was too crafty, i mean.. taylor beat him twice! I beat taylor twice! taylor and calzaghe hit him at will! I just couldnt get anything going.. i dont know.. i tjust wasnt me "
This is the lack of experience talking. When you say you dont know why you didn't beat someone that someone you had beaten beat, thats lack of experience.
Hopkins completely did a job on the guy and was different class, but Pavlick didn't thrown anything from the first bell. Go and watch the Miranda fight and watch how Pavlick starts. Don't get me wrong I don't rate Pavlick, but I do think he was in part master of his own downfall. I honestly think he was scared.
He only throws punches when he is set. Bhops lateral movement prevented Kelly from ever getting set thus preventing him to throw punches. Understand now?
Whenever bhop wasn't moving, he was engaging first.. forcing kelly to go into defense.
He made kelly respectful (with power ), confused (with movement) and defensive (with activity). He never once let Kelly Sit on his shots, which is the ONLY time kelly throws punches.
I've said it before the fight and will say it once more. Kelly only throws when the target is standing infront of him waiting, on the ropes, or in a corner. He will look silly the moment he fights someone who won't stay there long enough to get anything off. Bhop was that person, THATS why kelly couldn't punch.
As for the comment about him being scared - He looked like he saw a ghost after the fight.. He looked so horrified, it was amazing. Then he looked like he wanted to cry.
So that could very well be the case. But bhop made kelly very respectful.. kelly sought a plan B (which he didn't have) therefore was out of options. His trainer kept whispering to him in the corner " Be active.. activity is how Calzaghe won ", But calzaghe doesn't need to be set to throw.. he just throws punches regardless. Thats the difference, i guess.
I'm gonna cut Kelly some slack here, he was definately in the spotlight in a place he didn't plan for, everything that may be irrational in his head was surfacing there. Give him some time and I'm sure he will have a better assessment of the situation.
I spent the weekend kinda skipping Saddoboxing to avoid the worst clashes here.
I fully expected Pavlik to slowly break down B-Hop to a close, but controversial decision.
I have never been so wrong in a prediction. Kelly looked out of his element for the first time in all the fights I've seen. B-Hop fought like he was 25 years old. Truly a triumph for B-Hop and a big kudos for him.
I think if Calzaghe beats Jones, a rematch between B-Hop and JC would be a great draw, hopefully with an undercard that doesn't include Dib or Luevano.
Thanks for educating me on ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by intoccabileCalzaghe needs to have his feet planted to throw, thats how he fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HWhen did an opponents lateral movement stop a fighter trying to throw punches??Quote:
Originally Posted by intoccabile
Hopkins completely did a job on the guy and was different class, but Pavlick didn't thrown anything from the first bell. Go and watch the Miranda fight and watch how Pavlick starts. Don't get me wrong I don't rate Pavlick, but I do think he was in part master of his own downfall. I honestly think he was scared.
He only throws punches when he is set. Bhops lateral movement prevented Kelly from ever getting set thus preventing him to throw punches. Understand now?
Whenever bhop wasn't moving, he was engaging first.. forcing kelly to go into defense.
He made kelly respectful (with power ), confused (with movement) and defensive (with activity). He never once let Kelly Sit on his shots, which is the ONLY time kelly throws punches.
I've said it before the fight and will say it once more. Kelly only throws when the target is standing infront of him waiting, on the ropes, or in a corner. He will look silly the moment he fights someone who won't stay there long enough to get anything off. Bhop was that person, THATS why kelly couldn't punch.
As for the comment about him being scared - He looked like he saw a ghost after the fight.. He looked so horrified, it was amazing. Then he looked like he wanted to cry.
So that could very well be the case. But bhop made kelly very respectful.. kelly sought a plan B (which he didn't have) therefore was out of options. His trainer kept whispering to him in the corner " Be active.. activity is how Calzaghe won ", But calzaghe doesn't need to be set to throw.. he just throws punches regardless. Thats the difference, i guess.
I disagree with you assement of Pavlick. Against Miranda and Taylor in their first fight he was throwing shots throughout whether his feet were planted or whether he was on the backfoot and being hit himself.
Like I've said Hopkins is awesome, Pavlick is average, but he came out from that first bell looking like a beaten fighter, even before B-HOP could do anything to negate Pavlicks gameplan (or appparent lack of one)
Both edison and taylor stood right infront of him.. he was comfortable. So he threw punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HThanks for educating me on ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by intoccabileCalzaghe needs to have his feet planted to throw, thats how he fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
He only throws punches when he is set. Bhops lateral movement prevented Kelly from ever getting set thus preventing him to throw punches. Understand now?
Whenever bhop wasn't moving, he was engaging first.. forcing kelly to go into defense.
He made kelly respectful (with power ), confused (with movement) and defensive (with activity). He never once let Kelly Sit on his shots, which is the ONLY time kelly throws punches.
I've said it before the fight and will say it once more. Kelly only throws when the target is standing infront of him waiting, on the ropes, or in a corner. He will look silly the moment he fights someone who won't stay there long enough to get anything off. Bhop was that person, THATS why kelly couldn't punch.
As for the comment about him being scared - He looked like he saw a ghost after the fight.. He looked so horrified, it was amazing. Then he looked like he wanted to cry.
So that could very well be the case. But bhop made kelly very respectful.. kelly sought a plan B (which he didn't have) therefore was out of options. His trainer kept whispering to him in the corner " Be active.. activity is how Calzaghe won ", But calzaghe doesn't need to be set to throw.. he just throws punches regardless. Thats the difference, i guess.
I disagree with you assement of Pavlick. Against Miranda and Taylor in their first fight he was throwing shots throughout whether his feet were planted or whether he was on the backfoot and being hit himself.
Like I've said Hopkins is awesome, Pavlick is average, but he came out from that first bell looking like a beaten fighter, even before B-HOP could do anything to negate Pavlicks gameplan (or appparent lack of one)
See how muc hdifferent he looked in the second taylor fight? Because taylor fought a more technical fight. He looks worse and worse depending on how technical his opponent is.
He didn't come off like a dickhead to me, just uneducated responses, lots of times when you are in with a guy like HOpkins its the little things you don't notice that make him win. That to me means that Hopkins was A LOT better then Pavlik. ALso he compared fights which means nothing as their fight indicates unless its comparing two guys to a similar style of opponent even that is hit-and-miss. Also Calzaghe and Taylor definitely didn't hit Hopkins at will, which they both atest to.
As for the people arguing, if you don't understand how Hopkins movement is different then any other fighters its understandable, but you should take solice in the fact that opponents still consistently have troubles finding range against him. If he didn't move different guys wouldn't have the troubles they do. It gets very tactical after that. He very smart at seeing when your putting your foot down, he knows exactly which angles you like to be at when throwing punches, what distance you like to be at, what punch is the guy's set up punch, which foot he gets leverage off to throw what punch. Hopkins seems to innately know all these things or it sure looks that way, also he has extremely quick reflexes so he is very good at avoiding punches at a distance. All in all B-Hop's movement is so much more then just lateral movement, truly nobody has mastered the art of footwork the way Hopkins has, or if they have I have yet to see it.
Pavlik looked like the 43 year old and Hopkins looked like the 26 year old. The bottom line is Pavlik couldn't get near Hopkins, he just plodded round the ring and Hopkins boxed his head off. If your feet can't get you to where you need to be quick enough you've got problems against any boxer, never mind Hopkins. Maybe it was the extra ten pounds, maybe something else but whatever it was Pavlik wasn't the same fighter we've seen before.
Pavlik really seems to be taking this loss hard. He'll realize the error of his ways and come back strong. Wish he'd take this loss better though but who am I to say? I'm not a professional fighter.
Even guys with quicker feet then Hopkins have had troubles with him like Calzaghe. Some guys like him or Barrera or JMM just seem to know how to use footwork to make life difficult for opponents. I tend to see prodominently guys who used to be aggressive fighters having the best footwork as they get older because they aren't worried if they have to come forward, they also know what the guy coming forward is thinking/trying to do because they have done it so often. I think guys like Ray Leonard also had excellent footwork, but he moved a lot more then he needed to in some cases, while guys like Guillermo Rigondeaux have actually mastered the ability to move and punch at the same time, lead with either hand, etc ,etc. I think Hopkins really mastered the ability to negate opponents output, but also he had great timing and he sets everything up so well without even throwing a punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Pavliks father already said retirement is the next step if he doesn't get his head back in the game after this loss. We may see the end of pavlik folks
Did somebody actually ask when did Lateral movement stop a guy from throwing punches? UM... Ali, Leonard-Duran II, Hopkins-Trinidad, Mayweather-Corrales, Jones-Toney, ... the list goes on forever.
U cant blame Pavlik, he is just confused. He may not understand that Bernard doesnt lose against SLOW punchers. Round 7 shows it all, Pavlik is use to fighters throwing the old classic 1-2 which is the left followed by the right BUT Bernard gave him the not so classic 2-1 shoulder bump angle. That is the right hand(FIRST) Left hand second and then either a shoulder bump or a back off left jab. Pavlik was confused the same way u are right now about what I am saying, So U cant get mad at Pavlik because he was still confused when these people where asking him these questions. 1 month from now he will be singing a different tune if he is honest. I wasnt ranked 136 in the world at one time for nothing. I know how to lose and then deny that I lost, I was the master at that. Joppy kick my ass once in sparring and I blamed everything but Joppy. So he said lets do it again and he kicked my ass again and it took me 2 years to say it was his skill level that did it. FALSE FIGHTER PRIDE. I KNOW
dude wtf?!? Cotto lost a closer fight than Pavlik did :-\, i had the fight 119-109 for Hopkins, i had Cotto ahead into the 11th round, he's a tough dude, and doubt he'll be the next Vargas, i leave that spot for little Amir to fillQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr140