Pavlik bitching about Hopkins: he isnt even good

[luvfightgame]

I gotta say that he really didn't look right in there. I rewatched the Miranda and 1st Taylor fights yesterday and that just wasn't the same guy in there. And it's not just because of the shots he was taking, Taylor was hitting him with great shots but he just kept coming forward and throwing shots. It was a strange performance.

I haven't seen this fight yet.....but, it's not unusual for a fighter to be disappointed with their own performance. It sounds like both guys had unusual nights. Bhop is a great but hasn't looked good in very many of his recent fights.

Pavlik can be understandably dismayed that it wasn't the Bhop that fought Taylor in the ring. And I think most would agree that if Bhop threw 7-10 punches a round and stood around and posed like he did against J.T. he would have lost.

I don't think Pavlik was bitching about Bhop. More like he was bitching about himself. He performed badly and knew it. It's harder to accept a loss when you know you weren't at your best.

Bitching is when you are satisfied with your own performance but think the judges gave you a bum decision or someone else prevented you from winning. I didn't hear that in the clip. Sounded like someone saying "I got my ass whooped, when I shouldn't have". He felt like he should have won or at least had a close fight.

[intoccabile]

I gotta say that he really didn't look right in there. I rewatched the Miranda and 1st Taylor fights yesterday and that just wasn't the same guy in there. And it's not just because of the shots he was taking, Taylor was hitting him with great shots but he just kept coming forward and throwing shots. It was a strange performance.

I haven't seen this fight yet.....but, it's not unusual for a fighter to be disappointed with their own performance. It sounds like both guys had unusual nights. Bhop is a great but hasn't looked good in very many of his recent fights.

Pavlik can be understandably dismayed that it wasn't the Bhop that fought Taylor in the ring. And I think most would agree that if Bhop threw 7-10 punches a round and stood around and posed like he did against J.T. he would have lost.

I don't think Pavlik was bitching about Bhop. More like he was bitching about himself. He performed badly and knew it. It's harder to accept a loss when you know you weren't at your best.

Bitching is when you are satisfied with your own performance but think the judges gave you a bum decision or someone else prevented you from winning. I didn't hear that in the clip. Sounded like someone saying "I got my ass whooped, when I shouldn't have". He felt like he should have won or at least had a close fight.

He was at his best. Said he felt perfectly fine going in, inbetween rounds, everything.
Says there is a mysterious ghost that tied his hands down after the bell and he couldn't move his arms to punch though.

It's an excuse. He's never been in the ring with a fighter who can pick him apart and take away all his tools before - the only logical answer now is " I dont know what happened. I felt perfectly fine, i just couldn't punch or throw a punch".

Thats the lack of experience talking.

[C-Lo]

I gotta say that he really didn't look right in there. I rewatched the Miranda and 1st Taylor fights yesterday and that just wasn't the same guy in there. And it's not just because of the shots he was taking, Taylor was hitting him with great shots but he just kept coming forward and throwing shots. It was a strange performance.

I haven't seen this fight yet.....but, it's not unusual for a fighter to be disappointed with their own performance. It sounds like both guys had unusual nights. Bhop is a great but hasn't looked good in very many of his recent fights.

Pavlik can be understandably dismayed that it wasn't the Bhop that fought Taylor in the ring. And I think most would agree that if Bhop threw 7-10 punches a round and stood around and posed like he did against J.T. he would have lost.

I don't think Pavlik was bitching about Bhop. More like he was bitching about himself. He performed badly and knew it. It's harder to accept a loss when you know you weren't at your best.

Bitching is when you are satisfied with your own performance but think the judges gave you a bum decision or someone else prevented you from winning. I didn't hear that in the clip. Sounded like someone saying "I got my ass whooped, when I shouldn't have". He felt like he should have won or at least had a close fight.

He was at his best. Said he felt perfectly fine going in, inbetween rounds, everything.
Says there is a mysterious ghost that tied his hands down after the bell and he couldn't move his arms to punch though.

It's an excuse. He's never been in the ring with a fighter who can pick him apart and take away all his tools before - the only logical answer now is " I dont know what happened. I felt perfectly fine, i just couldn't punch or throw a punch".

Thats the lack of experience talking.

It's probably because the target was there, it just moved once he threw or was ready to throw.

[armin]

I don't know I think Pavlik after beating miranda and taylor twice let it all get to himself, like he started buying his own hype, and the people around him probably didn't help with that. In the miranda fight miranda did all the barking outside the ring and kelly was just like "we'll see in the ring" you know where as up to this fight him and his camp were talking a fair amount of shit. As for him getting beat, if he stays at 160 he'll most likely rule that division for years unless abraham was to beat him in the fight, which is a 50-50 fight. Everything also depends on how well he copes with this defeat.

[Kirkland Laing]

Hopkins beat him just with his footwork and his jab. His footwork was leagues ahead of Pavlik and allowed him to control the fight. He probably could have won using just the jab his footwork was so superior. Pavlik needs to realise that.

[Spicoli]

I gotta say that he really didn't look right in there. I rewatched the Miranda and 1st Taylor fights yesterday and that just wasn't the same guy in there. And it's not just because of the shots he was taking, Taylor was hitting him with great shots but he just kept coming forward and throwing shots. It was a strange performance.

See,I thought the opposite in a way,Those are different styles and as the mantra goes,especially after this one it seems....Styles make fights.Could very well be Kelly was fine and Hopkins was "not the same" or different opposed to his recent pedestrian outings....He initiated the offense,Multiple combinations,brought the missing left hook off the jab,etc.It's all about Cause & effect when the styles clash.The reason he could not implement his game plan was that Hopkins had more and was faster at implementing his.

I think Kelly needs some time,Don't rush back into some huge mega fight for the spotlight and end up another also ran.He has to find some gears and this one can be a physiological load to bare.

[southakron314]

I like Pavlik it was just after the fight so you can let it slip.

It was his dickhead fans.

Tell me ....are they worse dickheads than that of Calzaghe and Hatton's fans. He beat the man who beat the man twice and he did it twice. I still think he can beat Calzaghe. Hopkins looked totally awesome. Pavlik proved his chin is better than most thought. He just needs to stay at 160 and not jump to light heavy till he is ready and he should go onto 168 then 175. Pavlik looked slower at 170.

[luvfightgame]

I gotta say that he really didn't look right in there. I rewatched the Miranda and 1st Taylor fights yesterday and that just wasn't the same guy in there. And it's not just because of the shots he was taking, Taylor was hitting him with great shots but he just kept coming forward and throwing shots. It was a strange performance.

I haven't seen this fight yet.....but, it's not unusual for a fighter to be disappointed with their own performance. It sounds like both guys had unusual nights. Bhop is a great but hasn't looked good in very many of his recent fights.

Pavlik can be understandably dismayed that it wasn't the Bhop that fought Taylor in the ring. And I think most would agree that if Bhop threw 7-10 punches a round and stood around and posed like he did against J.T. he would have lost.

I don't think Pavlik was bitching about Bhop. More like he was bitching about himself. He performed badly and knew it. It's harder to accept a loss when you know you weren't at your best.

Bitching is when you are satisfied with your own performance but think the judges gave you a bum decision or someone else prevented you from winning. I didn't hear that in the clip. Sounded like someone saying "I got my ass whooped, when I shouldn't have". He felt like he should have won or at least had a close fight.

He was at his best. Said he felt perfectly fine going in, inbetween rounds, everything.
Says there is a mysterious ghost that tied his hands down after the bell and he couldn't move his arms to punch though.

It's an excuse. He's never been in the ring with a fighter who can pick him apart and take away all his tools before - the only logical answer now is " I dont know what happened. I felt perfectly fine, i just couldn't punch or throw a punch".

Thats the lack of experience talking.

I must have missed the ghost tying his hands down part
He said he didn't know why he didn't fight his best. He said he was in shape, not tired, felt fine, just couldn't do what he normally does. Maybe it was because Bhop was so good, but maybe it was because he had an off night and Bhop was good. Don't know, but he didn't sound like he bitched about Bhop.

I have played basketball games where I just missed shots i've made a million times and it felt like I couldn't make a basket. Not injured, no problems, got positions to take the shots and should have made them just didn't. When I lose that way I am pissed and complain alot. Not about the other team or players, just about how I played. Losing sucks always, but it's worse when you didn't play your best. That's how Kelly sounded to me. He acknowledged he got his butt kicked, but complained about how he fought, not how Hopkins fought.

How would an experienced fighters complain? Bhop cheated, I was sick, the ref interfered, I won but the judges don't like me, HBO made sure their fighter won, I was robbed, I got a fukked up promoter, I overtrained, I was shooting a movie??

I don't see how it was "lack of experience" talking. Those excuses above were by experienced guys like Bhop, Hatton, Judah, Lennox......

[intoccabile]

I haven't seen this fight yet.....but, it's not unusual for a fighter to be disappointed with their own performance. It sounds like both guys had unusual nights. Bhop is a great but hasn't looked good in very many of his recent fights.

Pavlik can be understandably dismayed that it wasn't the Bhop that fought Taylor in the ring. And I think most would agree that if Bhop threw 7-10 punches a round and stood around and posed like he did against J.T. he would have lost.

I don't think Pavlik was bitching about Bhop. More like he was bitching about himself. He performed badly and knew it. It's harder to accept a loss when you know you weren't at your best.

Bitching is when you are satisfied with your own performance but think the judges gave you a bum decision or someone else prevented you from winning. I didn't hear that in the clip. Sounded like someone saying "I got my ass whooped, when I shouldn't have". He felt like he should have won or at least had a close fight.

He was at his best. Said he felt perfectly fine going in, inbetween rounds, everything.
Says there is a mysterious ghost that tied his hands down after the bell and he couldn't move his arms to punch though.

It's an excuse. He's never been in the ring with a fighter who can pick him apart and take away all his tools before - the only logical answer now is " I dont know what happened. I felt perfectly fine, i just couldn't punch or throw a punch".

Thats the lack of experience talking.

I must have missed the ghost tying his hands down part
He said he didn't know why he didn't fight his best. He said he was in shape, not tired, felt fine, just couldn't do what he normally does. Maybe it was because Bhop was so good, but maybe it was because he had an off night and Bhop was good. Don't know, but he didn't sound like he bitched about Bhop.

I have played basketball games where I just missed shots i've made a million times and it felt like I couldn't make a basket. Not injured, no problems, got positions to take the shots and should have made them just didn't. When I lose that way I am pissed and complain alot. Not about the other team or players, just about how I played. Losing sucks always, but it's worse when you didn't play your best. That's how Kelly sounded to me. He acknowledged he got his butt kicked, but complained about how he fought, not how Hopkins fought.

How would an experienced fighters complain? Bhop cheated, I was sick, the ref interfered, I won but the judges don't like me, HBO made sure their fighter won, I was robbed, I got a fukked up promoter, I overtrained, I was shooting a movie??

I don't see how it was "lack of experience" talking. Those excuses above were by experienced guys like Bhop, Hatton, Judah, Lennox......

I was being sarcastic with the ghost tying his hands rofl.
And it was a lack of experience talking because he doesn't know what was wrong in there.
What was wrong is he's never fought a fighter with lateral movement, someone who can take his tools from him
the way bhop did. Did you see teh SCARED look on his face after the 12th round? During the scuffle, teh way he backed up with absolute
horror in his eyes? Did you see the look of disbelief and humble afterwards?

Its the first time he felt USELESS. .and there are many fighters who can make people feel this way, Bhop being one of them.
He's never had that happen before, he's never had that EXPERIENCE in the ring before. So his only arguement is " It can't be that he was too crafty, i mean.. taylor beat him twice! I beat taylor twice! taylor and calzaghe hit him at will! I just couldnt get anything going.. i dont know.. i tjust wasnt me "

This is the lack of experience talking. When you say you dont know why you didn't beat someone that someone you had beaten beat, thats lack of experience.

[Kel]

Give the guy a break, Hopkins broke his heart, he will need time to get over it. He was not bitchin, he just could not understand what happened in there. He was far from prepared for a one sided loss, maybe he read too many posts on this forum, huh?

[THE THIRD MAN]

This fight wasn't even close in any way at all! Pavlik landed nothing in 12 rounds and was completely schooled by Hopkins, if he thinks for a second Hopkins isn't any good or isn't crafty then Pavlik took some harder shots than i thought in this fight. It was damn near a shut out on my scorecard.
Get back to Middleweight Kelly, challenge Abraham and get your career back on track and don't talk any more shit!!

[luvfightgame]

He was at his best. Said he felt perfectly fine going in, inbetween rounds, everything.
Says there is a mysterious ghost that tied his hands down after the bell and he couldn't move his arms to punch though.

It's an excuse. He's never been in the ring with a fighter who can pick him apart and take away all his tools before - the only logical answer now is " I dont know what happened. I felt perfectly fine, i just couldn't punch or throw a punch".

Thats the lack of experience talking.

I must have missed the ghost tying his hands down part
He said he didn't know why he didn't fight his best. He said he was in shape, not tired, felt fine, just couldn't do what he normally does. Maybe it was because Bhop was so good, but maybe it was because he had an off night and Bhop was good. Don't know, but he didn't sound like he bitched about Bhop.

I have played basketball games where I just missed shots i've made a million times and it felt like I couldn't make a basket. Not injured, no problems, got positions to take the shots and should have made them just didn't. When I lose that way I am pissed and complain alot. Not about the other team or players, just about how I played. Losing sucks always, but it's worse when you didn't play your best. That's how Kelly sounded to me. He acknowledged he got his butt kicked, but complained about how he fought, not how Hopkins fought.

How would an experienced fighters complain? Bhop cheated, I was sick, the ref interfered, I won but the judges don't like me, HBO made sure their fighter won, I was robbed, I got a fukked up promoter, I overtrained, I was shooting a movie??

I don't see how it was "lack of experience" talking. Those excuses above were by experienced guys like Bhop, Hatton, Judah, Lennox......

I was being sarcastic with the ghost tying his hands rofl.
And it was a lack of experience talking because he doesn't know what was wrong in there.
What was wrong is he's never fought a fighter with lateral movement, someone who can take his tools from him
the way bhop did. Did you see teh SCARED look on his face after the 12th round? During the scuffle, teh way he backed up with absolute
horror in his eyes? Did you see the look of disbelief and humble afterwards?

Its the first time he felt USELESS. .and there are many fighters who can make people feel this way, Bhop being one of them.
He's never had that happen before, he's never had that EXPERIENCE in the ring before. So his only arguement is " It can't be that he was too crafty, i mean.. taylor beat him twice! I beat taylor twice! taylor and calzaghe hit him at will! I just couldnt get anything going.. i dont know.. i tjust wasnt me "

This is the lack of experience talking. When you say you dont know why you didn't beat someone that someone you had beaten beat, thats lack of experience.

I haven't watched the fight yet. I am mainly commenting on people picking apart what was said. First off they come up and ask you a question after a fight and you are forced to answer it or be an ass and not allow it. So they ask you what happened and why did you get your ass kicked? That's a tough question.... Anyway to me he acknowledged that he got whooped, but also said he was frustrated that he didn't perform well. I just don't see it as insulting Bhop.

An undefeated fighter usually hasn't experienced being dominated in the ring. I think he kept his cool and didn't come off like an ass. He addressed what happened and turned the criticism on himself.

Do you seriously think that given the last few performances by Bhop the fight would have went that way? Taking the last 5 years into consideration Bhop hasn't fought that well. I didn't feel it was a good fight for Pavlik and Bhop is tough but a shutout? Nobody predicted that and I think it had something to do with Pavlik having a bit of an off night the same night Bhop had a great one. I think that's typically how it goes when 2 top level guys meet and one is absolutely dominating. Usually it's not just that one guy is so much better, usually it's a great night on a bad night.

Like most of the Superbowls that were blowouts. There's not a huge disparity in talent on the teams.

[intoccabile]

I must have missed the ghost tying his hands down part
He said he didn't know why he didn't fight his best. He said he was in shape, not tired, felt fine, just couldn't do what he normally does. Maybe it was because Bhop was so good, but maybe it was because he had an off night and Bhop was good. Don't know, but he didn't sound like he bitched about Bhop.

I have played basketball games where I just missed shots i've made a million times and it felt like I couldn't make a basket. Not injured, no problems, got positions to take the shots and should have made them just didn't. When I lose that way I am pissed and complain alot. Not about the other team or players, just about how I played. Losing sucks always, but it's worse when you didn't play your best. That's how Kelly sounded to me. He acknowledged he got his butt kicked, but complained about how he fought, not how Hopkins fought.

How would an experienced fighters complain? Bhop cheated, I was sick, the ref interfered, I won but the judges don't like me, HBO made sure their fighter won, I was robbed, I got a fukked up promoter, I overtrained, I was shooting a movie??

I don't see how it was "lack of experience" talking. Those excuses above were by experienced guys like Bhop, Hatton, Judah, Lennox......

I was being sarcastic with the ghost tying his hands rofl.
And it was a lack of experience talking because he doesn't know what was wrong in there.
What was wrong is he's never fought a fighter with lateral movement, someone who can take his tools from him
the way bhop did. Did you see teh SCARED look on his face after the 12th round? During the scuffle, teh way he backed up with absolute
horror in his eyes? Did you see the look of disbelief and humble afterwards?

Its the first time he felt USELESS. .and there are many fighters who can make people feel this way, Bhop being one of them.
He's never had that happen before, he's never had that EXPERIENCE in the ring before. So his only arguement is " It can't be that he was too crafty, i mean.. taylor beat him twice! I beat taylor twice! taylor and calzaghe hit him at will! I just couldnt get anything going.. i dont know.. i tjust wasnt me "

This is the lack of experience talking. When you say you dont know why you didn't beat someone that someone you had beaten beat, thats lack of experience.

I haven't watched the fight yet. I am mainly commenting on people picking apart what was said. First off they come up and ask you a question after a fight and you are forced to answer it or be an ass and not allow it. So they ask you what happened and why did you get your ass kicked? That's a tough question.... Anyway to me he acknowledged that he got whooped, but also said he was frustrated that he didn't perform well. I just don't see it as insulting Bhop.

An undefeated fighter usually hasn't experienced being dominated in the ring. I think he kept his cool and didn't come off like an ass. He addressed what happened and turned the criticism on himself.

Do you seriously think that given the last few performances by Bhop the fight would have went that way? Taking the last 5 years into consideration Bhop hasn't fought that well. I didn't feel it was a good fight for Pavlik and Bhop is tough but a shutout? Nobody predicted that and I think it had something to do with Pavlik having a bit of an off night the same night Bhop had a great one. I think that's typically how it goes when 2 top level guys meet and one is absolutely dominating. Usually it's not just that one guy is so much better, usually it's a great night on a bad night.

Like most of the Superbowls that were blowouts. There's not a huge disparity in talent on the teams.

Not at all man, no one would have thought bhop would have fought like that. I cant remember the last time i saw Bernard put a combo together. He does 1 punch and grab, that's it. He was a different person the other night,you are 100% right.

But experience fighters don't look at the tapes and prepare solely for what is on the film, thats not how it works, and definitely a bad move on kelly and their teams part.. assuming that was the big issue. You have to be prepared for anything in there and be able to change your game plan up on the fly. This is what seperates the good from the great.

kelly couldn't do that. Bhop didn't fight like he does on film, and suddenly the fights out of reach. He didn't attempt to change his tactic up once. This is inexperience and something they will capitalize on i hope.

[SigmaMu]

Bhop boxed, bhop took more chances, finally we see Bhop fight. It has been a long time since we have seen Bhop just bring it. He looked fresh all night long. I would love to see Bhop Calzaghe 2. I think this version of Bhop would give Calzaghe a much better run for his money.

[Spicoli]

Bhop boxed, bhop took more chances, finally we see Bhop fight. It has been a long time since we have seen Bhop just bring it. He looked fresh all night long. I would love to see Bhop Calzaghe 2. I think this version of Bhop would give Calzaghe a much better run for his money.

You see thats it, I think he felt He had to initiate and under no circumstances let Pavlik get going.A case in point that watching a great boxer/tactician in action over 12 is just as nice as seeing a big KO,well Imo.All he was missing was a pointer and an over head projector in there.A clinic.Joe should focus on Jones,Should he win who knows but honestly,I'm not keen on a rematch.One that was mentioned was Hopkins/Dawson....that has me with raised eyebrow's.