Who is (or was) your favorite "stalk, stun and close" type of guy?

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

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Originally Posted by holmcall

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See thats how I took the original intent of the thread,a guy who would just methodically hunt you down in the ring,not just blow your doors down. Thats why I went Hopkins,sooner or later he was going to hunt you down in there,you can run,but you cant hide.
Tyson in his prime just annihilated guys,Leanord just sniped them apart,B-hop just stalks them methodically

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Yes. Points taken. One of my favorites was Carlos “Escopeta” Monzon who seemed to push his punches and seemed stiff as he kept on coming, but ”seem” is one thing and “reality” is quite another. Once he commenced the stalk, few escaped. As writer Mike Casey put it, “Not to put too fine a point on it, there were times when Carlos Monzon looked downright ordinary when viewed through a strictly technical eye. Perhaps that is what threw so many people in the early days and what continues to throw the new generation"

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Again why I went with Hopkins,thats why he's so good,he doesnt have the biggest or fastest punch on earth, but he cuts the ring off and methodically beats the hell out of you. And heaven forbid you see him smile,because if he's smiling,he knows he has you.

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I garee with 95% re Hopkins. I just didn't see him as a closer in the true killer sense :fighting0043gi5: of that word, but your points are well made.

In his prime he was, hell he even stopped Glen Johnson, and he had a very high ko percentage.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

In his prime he was, hell he even stopped Glen Johnson, and he had a very high ko percentage.

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Its how cold and calculating he is about it. Id hate to fight the guy. He never gets rattled,he will just hunt you down. ANd like I said, heaven forbid the SOB starts grinning at you. Most fighters grin to show you,that you didnt hurt them,he starts grinning when he knows he has you,he starts smiling,you are in,and in deep son

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Originally Posted by Taeth

In his prime he was, hell he even stopped Glen Johnson, and he had a very high ko percentage.

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Its how cold and calculating he is about it. Id hate to fight the guy. He never gets rattled,he will just hunt you down. ANd like I said, heaven forbid the SOB starts grinning at you. Most fighters grin to show you,that you didnt hurt them,he starts grinning when he knows he has you,he starts smiling,you are in,and in deep son

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Good stuff.Hopkins was sinister and methodical.Early on he had some blitz jobs but was at his best at just beating people up....Later,he did not strike me as a huge closer but sincerly gave the impression that he enjoyed beating people up,admired his work and made you pay for the smallest of mistakes.Great call on the grinning Lol

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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

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Originally Posted by Taeth

In his prime he was, hell he even stopped Glen Johnson, and he had a very high ko percentage.

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Its how cold and calculating he is about it. Id hate to fight the guy. He never gets rattled,he will just hunt you down. ANd like I said, heaven forbid the SOB starts grinning at you. Most fighters grin to show you,that you didnt hurt them,he starts grinning when he knows he has you,he starts smiling,you are in,and in deep son

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Good stuff.Hopkins was sinister and methodical.Early on he had some blitz jobs but was at his best at just beating people up....Later,he did not strike me as a huge closer but sincerly gave the impression that he enjoyed beating people up,admired his work and made you pay for the smallest of mistakes.Great call on the grinning Lol

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He'd flat out frighten me to fight,he views you as his job. Its cold blooded and methodical. And like we both said,if he smiles,fights over,you just dont know it yet.
Tyson,Wolf,and even her prodigy Kirkland, can end your fight on one punch,Hopkins slowly but surely deconstructs you.
Those fighters wipe you out with a punch,Hopkins humiliates you

"Hopkins humiliates you." True.

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Originally Posted by holmcall

"Hopkins humiliates you." True.

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Tarver,Pavlik,Trinidad,Echols, all had the same facial expression.
These guys have lived in the gym most of their lives
And they all looked for all the world like they were thinking,"I dont know what to do about this"
Getting your ass handed to you,eventually happens to the best fighters,Bernard makes you look terrible while its happening. Even if you win,its a shaky decision you got because Bernard was slumming in there,you didnt really beat him.
Id hate to fight him,its one thing to just get cold cocked,its another to be slowly bled to death
Thats what makes him so frightening,he isnt afraid of you,and he isnt mad at you,he just views you as the business at hand

Probably doing some prison time early on had some bearing on this. Dwight Braxton (can't spell Qaui) also had that quality. A malefic sneer if I ever saw one.

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Originally Posted by holmcall

Probably doing some prison time early on had some bearing on this. Dwight Braxton (can't spell Qaui) also had that quality. A malefic sneer if I ever saw one.

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Your thinking of Qwai
And yeah,they dont put you in Graterford for parking violations

Qwai did time in Rahway--every boxer's favorite prison. James "Great" Scott. Damn, those were the days.

Khaosai Galaxy was a merciless walk down slugger .
Edwin Velero also.
JCC was as somebody has already said , a constant aggressor.
Also Marvin Hagler , if those were the tactics he chose , could walk you down.

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Originally Posted by holmcall

Qwai did time in Rahway--every boxer's favorite prison. James "Great" Scott. Damn, those were the days.

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I was think of Hopkins,he did his time in Graterford

Marciano's an old favorite of mine. His opponent's as smart as they were, became accidents waiting to happen. Marciano would catch you when you're in act of countering him. A lot of it was Goldman's handy work, but Rocky was the delivery boy. ;D

Monzon is right up there too. He looked like raw fighter, but my god he was deceptively good. :o

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

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Originally Posted by holmcall

Probably doing some prison time early on had some bearing on this. Dwight Braxton (can't spell Qaui) also had that quality. A malefic sneer if I ever saw one.

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Your thinking of Qwai
And yeah,they dont put you in Graterford for parking violations

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yeah, Qawi was a favorite of mine too. Too bad he had to lose to some pitty pat puncher named Holyfield.

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Originally Posted by holmcall

Qwai did time in Rahway--every boxer's favorite prison. James "Great" Scott. Damn, those were the days.

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I was think of Hopkins,he did his time in Graterford

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Graterford is no Rahway. Rahway is right up there with the worse. But no prison is fun, I suspect. I once fought as amember of a Chicago Amature team against the Pontiac (Illinois) Prison Boxing Team in the 50's. Could not wait to get out of there. Bad dudes.

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Marciano's an old favorite of mine. His opponent's as smart as they were, became accidents waiting to happen. Marciano would catch you when you're in act of countering him. A lot of it was Goldman's handy work, but Rocky was the delivery boy. ;D

Monzon is right up there too. He looked like raw fighter, but my god he was deceptively good. :o

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Marciano just kept coming and coming and coming breaking you down by hitting every exposed part of your body. Once you arm came down, it was all over. He ruined several fighters by the way he stalked and destroyed them in the ring. Rex Layne and Roland LaStarza (second fight) come to mind and he didn''t do Charles any good. Funny, but the way Ricky came at Paulie reminded me of this. Never let up. Pure relentless. :foruml10gc5:

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Originally Posted by holmcall

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Originally Posted by Chris Nagel

Marciano's an old favorite of mine. His opponent's as smart as they were, became accidents waiting to happen. Marciano would catch you when you're in act of countering him. A lot of it was Goldman's handy work, but Rocky was the delivery boy. ;D

Monzon is right up there too. He looked like raw fighter, but my god he was deceptively good. :o

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Marciano just kept coming and coming and coming breaking you down by hitting every exposed part of your body. Once you arm came down, it was all over. He ruined several fighters by the way he stalked and destroyed them in the ring. Rex Layne and Roland LaStarza (second fight) come to mind and he didn''t do Charles any good. Funny, but the way Ricky came at Paulie reminded me of this. Never let up. Pure relentless. :foruml10gc5:

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He was indeed relentless. Rocky would smother his opponents by crowding and swarming in with punches. It's how he was made to fight. Tough and relentless he came in to win.

Ricky really came at Paulie with such an impassioned focus that he would not be denied. It wasn't Paulie's night and he didn't give Ricky much problems, but that doesn't take away from the determination that Hatton put on.

And Monzon was like a slow moving monster that just kept coming fiorward until he stunned his prey like an animal on the Discovery Channel. Then, he moved in for a quick and clean kill. Damnn. Gotta love that. :foruml10gc5: :lolololol:

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Originally Posted by holmcall

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

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Qwai did time in Rahway--every boxer's favorite prison. James "Great" Scott. Damn, those were the days.

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I was think of Hopkins,he did his time in Graterford

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Graterford is no Rahway. Rahway is right up there with the worse. But no prison is fun, I suspect. I once fought as amember of a Chicago Amature team against the Pontiac (Illinois) Prison Boxing Team in the 50's. Could not wait to get out of there. Bad dudes.

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Graterford is practically a death sentence, they send you up there,youve seriously screwed up your life.
Hell,you dont want to find yourself in the Roundhouse,your down in Graterford,your done

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I was think of Hopkins,he did his time in Graterford

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Graterford is no Rahway. Rahway is right up there with the worse. But no prison is fun, I suspect. I once fought as amember of a Chicago Amature team against the Pontiac (Illinois) Prison Boxing Team in the 50's. Could not wait to get out of there. Bad dudes.

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Graterford is practically a death sentence, they send you up there,youve seriously screwed up your life.
Hell,you dont want to find yourself in the Roundhouse,your down in Graterford,your done

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Well, Hopkins got out anyway.

What about Vassiliy Jirov.Short lived ,Heavyweight a bad choice but......just brutal tough & top notch hitter to the body!

Aaron Pryor

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Graterford is no Rahway. Rahway is right up there with the worse. But no prison is fun, I suspect. I once fought as amember of a Chicago Amature team against the Pontiac (Illinois) Prison Boxing Team in the 50's. Could not wait to get out of there. Bad dudes.

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Graterford is practically a death sentence, they send you up there,youve seriously screwed up your life.
Hell,you dont want to find yourself in the Roundhouse,your down in Graterford,your done

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Well, Hopkins got out anyway.

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Thats one of the things I respect about him,most guys treat a sentence like that as an excuse to become an even worse person then the one that got sentenced in the first place.
Not him,he became a vegetarian,a family man,and the most notorious gym rat thats ever lived. He brushed himself off,and became way more then most people ever strive for.

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Mine currently is Margo becuse he can walk through punches and still do the stalk as he gets stronger and stronger. My past favorites were Sugar Ray Leonard and K. Galaxy One they had you hurt, it was like being in the Serengeti National Park; the kill was coming. :foruml10gc5:

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huh at sugar ray leonard? that guy wasnt a stalk and stun and close guy he was a boxer puncher...you must mean roberto duran and marvin hagler?

his fights with hagler and duran he sure didnt stalk and stun.

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Originally Posted by Moono

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Mine currently is Margo becuse he can walk through punches and still do the stalk as he gets stronger and stronger. My past favorites were Sugar Ray Leonard and K. Galaxy One they had you hurt, it was like being in the Serengeti National Park; the kill was coming. :foruml10gc5:

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huh at sugar ray leonard? that guy wasnt a stalk and stun and close guy he was a boxer puncher...you must mean roberto duran and marvin hagler?

his fights with hagler and duran he sure didnt stalk and stun.

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No, not in those. He just won those. One, by humiliating Duran and making him quit; the other, by coming back after years off and beating an ATG by outsmarting him with a superior fight plan for which Hagler had no backup plan..

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

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Graterford is practically a death sentence, they send you up there,youve seriously screwed up your life.
Hell,you dont want to find yourself in the Roundhouse,your down in Graterford,your done

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Well, Hopkins got out anyway.

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Thats one of the things I respect about him,most guys treat a sentence like that as an excuse to become an even worse person then the one that got sentenced in the first place.
Not him,he became a vegetarian,a family man,and the most notorious gym rat thats ever lived. He brushed himself off,and became way more then most people ever strive for.

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Yes, that is worthy of the highest respect. Thing is, he walks the walk.

McClellan