Haha no way would Kessler lose to Froch or Pascal. That's just a comment made in the heat of the moment. Both these guys defense are ridiculous, not the best stamina either. Good fight but not a class fight.
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Haha no way would Kessler lose to Froch or Pascal. That's just a comment made in the heat of the moment. Both these guys defense are ridiculous, not the best stamina either. Good fight but not a class fight.
I had Froch by 2, the scorecards were embaressing, but at least the right fighter got the result.
I too think Calzhage would beat Froch, as he throws too many punches and has the ability like Mayweather and Hopkins to change tactic mid fight not many fighters are capable of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Ok then, Calzaghe would embarrass them and Froch has proved everyone right that hes far to static and easy to hit for Joe;)Quote:
Originally Posted by piyeI'll never understand what Kessler did to deserve so much credit other than lose on his big day.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
In my opinion both Pascal and Froch beat Kessler as he is too one dimensional.
How ever I do not think anyone beats either of these fighters at super middle whilst Joe is at Light heavy.
Congratulations to Carl. Fantastic cracking fight !
I thought he won by about 4 or 5 rounds but Pascal put up a better fight than I thought he would.
Great fight!! I had it for Froch by 3 or 4 rounds. As I have always said the guy's defence is awful. He WILL get stopped soon if he doesn't sort it out!
He actually deserved the win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Britain is the new Germany for dodgy scoring in my opinion. We have the cheek to criticise the Germans but we're far more biased towards hometown fighters. John Rawlings commentary sucked ass again! Fed up of the term 'world class' being bandied around when a british fighter steps in the ring. It's not a 'world class' fight when two fighters are swinging like monkeys with no defense.
Sorry guys but some (violent D) are chatting shit about this fight. Instead of posting i thought he won by so much how about posting your scorecards. Here's mine (all rounds are 10-9)
1. Pascal
2. Pascal
3. Froch
4. Pascal
5. Pascal
6. Froch
7. Froch
8. Pascal
9. Froch
10. Froch
11. Froch
12. Froch
Froch was loose early on for sure but rounds 1 and 2 could have gone either way and Froch dominated down the stretch, the scoring was bulshit but there not UK judges so dont go having a go at us Brits.
Agreed Froch won in a close fight and amazing that Calzhage fans make this about him starting to turn me against Joe and he's currently one of my favorite fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1-hit Wonder
I can't stand Froch but I had him winning the fight. I want to see him fight Kessler now.
Did you know where the judges were from?Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth_Simasu
Montenegro
Mexico
USA
The scores was ridiculous, but all the judges were foreign.
Where is the hate on Kessler coming from? Kessler is top quality.
Maybe on your planetQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseHe actually deserved the win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Even Pascal said he was beaten by the better man. He would probably have had quite a good view of the fight in order to judge LMFAO. Seems like he along with all 3 judges and all the pundits, just got it wrong. Thanks the lord VD is here to tell everybody they are wrong.
Or could he just be trying to wind everybody up - surely not
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Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Kessler is unproven, Calzhage fans hype him to enhance Joes legacy when the fact is the only time he stepped up he was out classed. who has he fought since Joe whooped him to prove he is a threat at 168?
I bet you were calling him unproven before the Calzaghe fight weren't you:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by piyeQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Kessler is unproven, Calzhage fans hype him to enhance Joes legacy when the fact is the only time he stepped up he was out classed. who has he fought since Joe whooped him to prove he is a threat at 168?
Truth is, it's what Kessler does next that will tell us how good he is.
Certainly UK FOTY and a contender for World honours.
The fight had everything. Both fighters gave it there all.
I had Froch winning as he was the stronger in the 2nd half.
If he's unproven what does that make Froch? If Kessler is one-dimensional what does that make Froch? If they ever fight Kessler beats Froch like a gong.Quote:
Originally Posted by piyeQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Kessler is unproven, Calzhage fans hype him to enhance Joes legacy when the fact is the only time he stepped up he was out classed. who has he fought since Joe whooped him to prove he is a threat at 168?
I'll give you this only. I did watch vie stream. Which is not the best way to watch. I got the fight downloading and will watch it again. Maybe my opinion will differ. But stream or not, those scores were bullshiit.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
I thought that it was a very close fight between two well matched fighters but Forch's ring Generalship was just that little bit better. He was able to take control when it mattered.
of course because it was a British fighter competing for the title in a competative fight you know who certain biased posters are going to try and turn it around for.
Good fight, one of the best of the year. Both came to win and fought hard and cleanly. Can't ask for more.
did one judge score it 118 to 110? That was bad. I think judges a scared to score rounds even now days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI'll give you this only. I did watch vie stream. Which is not the best way to watch. I got the fight downloading and will watch it again. Maybe my opinion will differ. But stream or not, those scores were bullshiit.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Was a lot of trading so might have been hard to see who's work was cleaner/crisper if it was low res.
No, if I'm honest I had not watched a Kessler fight before he fought Calzhage. We can both agree however Calzhage is the only elit foe faced by Kessler; and he lost that fight. And so he is not proven to be elite or you could say unproven right?Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HI bet you were calling him unproven before the Calzaghe fight weren't you:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by piyeQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Kessler is unproven, Calzhage fans hype him to enhance Joes legacy when the fact is the only time he stepped up he was out classed. who has he fought since Joe whooped him to prove he is a threat at 168?
Truth is, it's what Kessler does next that will tell us how good he is.
What a fight !! What a chin Froch has !! (Amir Khan take note) I thought Froch won, maybe not as wide as the judges had it but I thought he won. Pascal has fantastic chin too, but Froch's chin is in the same league as Magarito's (Again, Amir Khan take note) I was never really a believer in Froch, until now. The fact that his chin is so sturdy means that someone is gonna have to go 12 rounds to beat him. The bells will be ringing for Calzaghe but Froch leaves his chin too high in the air for my liking and as amazing as his chin is everyone has a limit to their punch resistance.
This was a really great fight.
:lolhaha: Good to see people ain't getting carried away. Pascal is no where near a big time hitter.Quote:
Originally Posted by denilson200
Why on earth should the UK be embarrassed? None of the judges were from the UK, Froch won by 2-3 rounds anyway, so how the hell was Pascal robbed? IdiotQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Anyone can feel free to PM a link so I can dl this fight.
Well he got a clear and decisive win over current champ Anthony Mundine and boxed Librado Andrade's head off for every minute of every round. He demolished long time reigning champ Marcus Beyer as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by piyeNo, if I'm honest I had not watched a Kessler fight before he fought Calzhage. We can both agree however Calzhage is the only elit foe faced by Kessler; and he lost that fight. And so he is not proven to be elite or you could say unproven right?Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HI bet you were calling him unproven before the Calzaghe fight weren't you:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by piye
Truth is, it's what Kessler does next that will tell us how good he is.
You're really stretching it to say he's unproven. He's without a doubt the current number 1 at super middleweight.
If you allow me to get this stat in before ICB his last 5 opponents had a combined record of 152-5-2 and he won 4 knocking 3 out in the process. He's world class absolutely no question.
You've had a pop at me in 2 threads in a row Bilbo. Give it a rest tree man ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboWell he got a clear and decisive win over current champ Anthony Mundine and boxed Librado Andrade's head off for every minute of every round. He demolished long time reigning champ Marcus Beyer as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by piyeNo, if I'm honest I had not watched a Kessler fight before he fought Calzhage. We can both agree however Calzhage is the only elit foe faced by Kessler; and he lost that fight. And so he is not proven to be elite or you could say unproven right?Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
You're really stretching it to say he's unproven. He's without a doubt the current number 1 at super middleweight.
If you allow me to get this stat in before ICB his last 5 opponents had a combined record of 152-5-2 and he won 4 knocking 3 out in the process. He's world class absolutely no question.
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Originally Posted by ICBYou've had a pop at me in 2 threads in a row Bilbo. Give it a rest tree man ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboWell he got a clear and decisive win over current champ Anthony Mundine and boxed Librado Andrade's head off for every minute of every round. He demolished long time reigning champ Marcus Beyer as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by piye
You're really stretching it to say he's unproven. He's without a doubt the current number 1 at super middleweight.
If you allow me to get this stat in before ICB his last 5 opponents had a combined record of 152-5-2 and he won 4 knocking 3 out in the process. He's world class absolutely no question.
Just messing with you Ice, and for the record it's not tree like, it's more like a bunch of grapes :)
VD,Im American,Pascal got absolutely torched
Froch beat Pascal fair and square but Pascal should not have been in that ring in the first place. He was not yet ready for Froch and it's a shame, because at 26, he has great potential as a boxer. That being said, with much better conditionning and a decent jab, Pascal would have won the fight.
118-110 was a shocker of a scorecard.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBdid one judge score it 118 to 110? That was bad. I think judges a scared to score rounds even now days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI'll give you this only. I did watch vie stream. Which is not the best way to watch. I got the fight downloading and will watch it again. Maybe my opinion will differ. But stream or not, those scores were bullshiit.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Was a lot of trading so might have been hard to see who's work was cleaner/crisper if it was low res.
What a fight that was last night! Classic tear up. I hoped for a knock down but to be honest they were two tough guys in there and that was a pleasant suprise!!!
Froch better not think he has an iron chin though... Pascal aint the hardest of hitters.
Does anyone else think Froch fights a lot like a younger Howard Eastman?
;D Exactly Big HQuote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
VD is so predictable, when I first joined he really rubbed me up the wrong way as I thought he actually believed the anti UK/Pac stuff he comes out with. Now I just realise he just likes to wind up the fanboys.
Even last night when he reluctantly gave Pac his props he had to intentionally make spelling mistakes to give the impression he was very drunk when doing so! ;D
It was one of the best fights I've ever seen.:cool:
It was the kind of fight that reminded why I love boxing so much.
When you have 2 evenly matched fighters of a good standard both willing to take a gamble in order to succeed, there is nothing better.
My favourite fight of all-time is Matthew Saad Muhamamd -v- Yaqui Lopez 2 (1980) & this fight reminds me of it in some ways.
This fight will never get the worldwide acclaim that it deserves because it wasn't a 'big' fight between two 'big' fighters & that's sad because it was a boxing match in it's purest form for me.:excited:
yes get in frochy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
im going to be honest i didnt watch all of the fight because i was so so so so so soso drunk and had to get my ass home, throwing up everywhere, i cant remember a thing of the fight, but hey haha!
im going to watch this fight later and ill comment on it, from what i saw of the first 5 rounds it was a war!
Im so happy right now ;D
It was a good fight , the scores were way off , but i had Froch winning , im not sure he will last long if he doesnt tighten his defence.
Pascal was not a big puncher but shook him a few times.
All in all a very good win , he should fight Kessler next.
Also i dont see Froch as a grade "A" hitter either , his power is over rated in my opinion.
Look forward to seeing who he fights next.
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Originally Posted by piyeQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Kessler is unproven, Calzhage fans hype him to enhance Joes legacy when the fact is the only time he stepped up he was out classed. who has he fought since Joe whooped him to prove he is a threat at 168?
Haha I really hope Kessler and Froch (AKA Froggy) get it on, and I hope it will be in UK. I think that Kessler has a pretty good change of taking Froch out.
I will agree that Kessler have had poor fights after Calzaghe, because they went after the WBA joke belt, and Haussler was a mandatory challenge.
I just looked at the WBA ranking in SMW and if Kessler decides just to keeps this belt, he will be a champ for the next 10 years.
But Kessler would like to unify the belts, and now Froch is a possibillity ;)
Anyway I thought Frovc vs Pascal was a great fight ;)
The thing that really stuck out was the slow pace - almost like at times the fight was being fought in slow motion. Both fighters looked like nerves had drained them early on.
Froch had a better range than Pascal - Carl had the distance spot on while Pascal would often fall short with a jab. Both took and landed tremendous shots - it is fair to say that they were both were far to easy to hit.
Froch I thought was looking tired at mid point and at times ragged while Pascal's output just faded - he didn't have the engine to throw volumes of punches while Carl seemingly got a second wind.
Superb action, drama and it was tense and explosive. The fight had everything and both proved there hearts and chins and the post fight interviews proved both men had class and dignity.
Superb fight and a rematch in the future would be great.
Froch definately won - no doubt about that - the early rounds were close but Froch won the last few in my book.
I thought it was a brilliant fight.
Both should be praised for fighting their bollocks off.
It was closer than the scorecards but the right man won. Well done big nose.