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Re: I just watched Pacquiao-Marquez 2
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Taeth
I thought HBO was humping JMM's ass, saying that he was making Pacquiao look like an amateur, and Lampley kept on saying punches that were missing for JMM were scoring, and many times he didn't give Pacquiao credit for what he was landing.
Very true. There was an awkward moment for Lampley when Steward suddenly threw a compliment on Pacquiao's defense and boxing while he's on this 'big right hand from Marquez!!' phrase frenzy. after a brief moment of silence he resumed with a his favorite line 'another big right hand by Marquez!!!' IMO Marquez is clearly not landing any clean shot and is getting hit with short punches more than any round of his 2 fights with Pacquio.
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Re: I just watched Pacquiao-Marquez 2
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Taeth
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the_pRoDiGy
I still can't believe how Pac dismantled Oscar and I got into this mood watching his exciting fights so I watched his last fight with Marquez again and IMO it seems like Pac really won. It was close when you look at the compubox numbers or Marquez should have even won if we looked at it punch for punch coz everytime Marquez landed his shots it was consecutive punches and was pretty and well timed plus Pac is out of balanced whenever he got hit.BUT.When I scored it round by round to me Pac clearly won.
rd 1. 10-9 Marquez
it was very close but got to give it to him for the tempo
rd 2. 10-9 Marquez
hit Pac with a great combo and a vicious left hook to end it
rd 3. 10-8 Pacquiao
scored a KD from a big left cross
rd 4. 10-9 Pacquiao
fed off the momentum of the KD
rd 5. 10-9 Marquez
recovered well and begins to connect with the right at will
rd 6. 10-9 Marquez
slow paced round and he landed the most telling shot
rd 7. 10-9 Pacquiao
accidental headbutt.a very close round but the tempo and the exchanges were in favor of him
rd 8. 10-9 Marquez
dominant round for him.connected big right hands that opened a cut on Pac's right eye.Pac was clearly bothered
rd 9. 10-9 Pacquiao
came back with his own connections of left hand that busted Marquez's right eye
rd 10. 10-9 Pacquiao
almost scored a KD and threw a barrage of flurries on a wobbled Marquez
rd 11. 10-9 Pacquiao
he seems to have figured out how to stay away from Marquez's right and sustained attacks continously
rd 12 10-10
Even.I can't say enough about this round. Marquez seems desperate and is throwing it all out but Pac is blocking almost all of it while still connecting even with less power. I initially gave it to Marquez but when I watched it again,like Manny Steward stated I too was impressed by how Pac defended the onslaught so I gave it to him. I can see why Lederman gave it to Pac. But most people say Marquez threw enough to get the round.Won't matter though IMO.
115-113 Pacquiao
IMO even if Marquez won the 12th he would have still lost because of the KD.
There were 3 very close rounds.(1, 7, 12) I scored the 1st for Marquez (HBO for Pac) the 7th in favor of Pac (everyone seems to agree) and the controversial 12th even.
But I if we give it all to Marquez he would win 7 rounds and may have salvaged a 114-113 win. If I give Pac those 3 close rounds he would win with comfortable 116-111 decision.
I think Marquez won in the CompuBox stats. and by how lopsided it looked during the rounds he won. Plus I think most people are assuming that because the fight went the distance it should have been Marquez's fight. Yes it was indeed a great gameplan by Marquez and he definitely made Pac looked most awkward and uncomfortable whenever they fight.But boxing is scored round by round so I don't think people should questioned Pac's victory saying Marquez got robbed. Let's give the man the credit he deserves and let's look at him as a fighter continually improving and entertaining us like he always does.
P.S.
I knew I'm still in awe from last saturday's fight but I think I didn't looked or sounded like a hugger. Do I liked Pacquiao? Yes.. but I'm not quite there yet. ;D
I don't see how you gave 1 or two to Marquez, but I didn't have the last four 3-0-1 in favor of Pacquiao I thought Marquez won a round or two in tehre, all in all I had the same outcome, but my rounds are arranged differently.
the 9th was the round he opened a cut on Marquez's right eyelid. the 10th is when he connected with a left that wobbled Marquez. the 11th and the 12th are the rounds that I thought were very decisive and for most people were both in favored of Marquez. But IMO Pacquiao may have not lost a round (until now ;D) since the 8th round and carried the 'boxing' and 'defense' of those last two rounds into the fights with Diaz and Oscar.
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Re: I just watched Pacquiao-Marquez 2
Ive seen the fight about 5 times now and every time i come to the same 114-113 marquez verdict.
For all of pacquiao`s apparent "defensive work" he was just getting out worked by marquez who was not only throwing more but also landing more.
All the major power was in pacquiaos left hand but those straight punches were few and far between in the 2nd fight and manny actually had to really go to work in the 2nd half of the fight when it was becoming quite clear JMM was nicking round after round through sheer workrate
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Re: I just watched Pacquiao-Marquez 2
I scored it similarly with prodigy. ICB was clearly not scoring it properly during the fight as he was watching it via streaming. He even called it as robbery when PAcquaio was announced as the winner.
Without being biased, it was really difficult to score the fight but I had to give it to Pacquaio for landing the bigger shots.
114-113 for Pacquaio.
I posted my round by round scoring somewhere (i've watched it many times with my dvd copy and suffice it to say that Pacquaio won that fight, IMO). I don't like to dig prior posts.hehehe.
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Re: I just watched Pacquiao-Marquez 2
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brucelee
I scored it similarly with prodigy. ICB was clearly not scoring it properly during the fight as he was watching it via streaming. He even called it as robbery when PAcquaio was announced as the winner.
Without being biased, it was really difficult to score the fight but I had to give it to Pacquaio for landing the bigger shots.
114-113 for Pacquaio.
I posted my round by round scoring somewhere (i've watched it many times with my dvd copy and suffice it to say that Pacquaio won that fight, IMO). I don't like to dig prior posts.hehehe.
Uhh did you read what i said ? i just rewatched the fight and scored it again. And do you know how hard it is to score a fight, while watching a fight on a stream and trying to type on here all at the sametime ? atleast i bothered to do it otherwise you would of had no RBR.
And did i not correct my scoring when i rewatched it ? and say i was wrong ? so why are you bringing up this for ? do you want me to bring up all the old times when you were wrong ?
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Can't remember which rounds exactly, but watched both their fights in the last few days & had
1st fight: 113-112 Pacquiao
2nd fight: 114-113 Marquez
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Re: I just watched Pacquiao-Marquez 2
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ICB
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brucelee
I scored it similarly with prodigy. ICB was clearly not scoring it properly during the fight as he was watching it via streaming. He even called it as robbery when PAcquaio was announced as the winner.
Without being biased, it was really difficult to score the fight but I had to give it to Pacquaio for landing the bigger shots.
114-113 for Pacquaio.
I posted my round by round scoring somewhere (i've watched it many times with my dvd copy and suffice it to say that Pacquaio won that fight, IMO). I don't like to dig prior posts.hehehe.
Uhh did you read what i said ? i just rewatched the fight and scored it again. And do you know how hard it is to score a fight, while watching a fight on a stream and trying to type on here all at the sametime ? atleast i bothered to do it otherwise you would of had no RBR.
And did i not correct my scoring when i rewatched it ? and say i was wrong ? so why are you bringing up this for ? do you want me to bring up all the old times when you were wrong ?
If you can still remember ICB, we almost have the same scorecard when you watched it again except for the 11th round where you give it to Marquez. I brought up the issue because you were saying that you're so sure that Marquez won it when you yourself is not so sure about who won that fight (based on your other posts).
I say, people should stop claiming that Marquez convincingly won the second fight coz nobody here is so sure about it. The judges scored it for PAcquaio and let's accept that.... Anyway, as you all are saying it was very difficult to score the fight.
I give the fight to Pacquaio for giving the harder shots. The judges must have seen it that way.:cool:
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Re: I just watched Pacquiao-Marquez 2
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ICB
By the way i found my scorecard for the first fight.
1 Pacquiao 10-6
2 Pacquiao 10-9
3 Marquez 10-9
4 Marquez 10-9
5 Marquez 10-9
6 Marquez 10-9
7 Pacquiao 10-9
8 Marquez 10-9
9 Marquez 10-9
10 Pacquiao 10-9
11 Marquez 10-9
12 Marquez 10-9
114-113 Marquez
Me too:same score...ahhkemm 113/112 ;-)
So thats a 10-4 from me over and out. ;D
Just sh!tting you over the 10/6 round.:) shame about that one who would have given him a hope at that stage eh?
It would of been a more distinict win without the horror round ...anyway.
Shame we could'nt add points to Marquez for comming back that strong and smart he sure deserved them.
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Re: I just watched Pacquiao-Marquez 2
base on my experience... watching fights on T.V. is totally different from watching it from ring side.. When you are at ring side, you can hear a jab or a punch landed while on T.V. its hard to determine if a jab or punch landed in full or slap. i assume All your scores are base on what you see on T.V... So theres a benefit of a doubt..
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we all have our opinion so lets just look at the facts.
pac won the second fight via sd. FACT!
the first fight was a draw, however the judge admitted he should of scored the first one 10-6 for pac but thought he couldn't. Therefor technically pac won the first fight as well. FACT!
Sorry to say guys :eek: but facts are facts and fact is pac won both fights ;)
No matter what any of us say. FACT! ;D
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yes pacquiao won..BOTH FIGHTS. FACT!;D
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Re: I just watched Pacquiao-Marquez 2
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Julius Rain
yes pacquiao won..BOTH FIGHTS. FACT!;D
:LMAO:
That's all we have to say bro! They can express their opinion anytime they want, but they're no better than those judges who scored the fight.
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Re: I just watched Pacquiao-Marquez 2
However close it was, Pacquiao won both fights, being the first fight having a scoring guffaw with one of the judges.
Both fights being close as it was needed something extra from either one of the protagonist's to get the "W". An extra like, putting the other guy's butt on the canvas, which JMM failed to show, and Pacquiao, continuedly show.
The second fight was a JMM improvement, as his skill increased at denying Pacquiao in decking him more, to inevitably knock him out.
That is it though. No more, no less. If it wasn't, then Marquez should have killed himself to try and finish Pac in the 2nd fight in the 8th rd, when he had Pacquiao, blinded with a huge gash, was at his mercy.
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brucelee
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ICB
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brucelee
I scored it similarly with prodigy. ICB was clearly not scoring it properly during the fight as he was watching it via streaming. He even called it as robbery when PAcquaio was announced as the winner.
Without being biased, it was really difficult to score the fight but I had to give it to Pacquaio for landing the bigger shots.
114-113 for Pacquaio.
I posted my round by round scoring somewhere (i've watched it many times with my dvd copy and suffice it to say that Pacquaio won that fight, IMO). I don't like to dig prior posts.hehehe.
Uhh did you read what i said ? i just rewatched the fight and scored it again. And do you know how hard it is to score a fight, while watching a fight on a stream and trying to type on here all at the sametime ? atleast i bothered to do it otherwise you would of had no RBR.
And did i not correct my scoring when i rewatched it ? and say i was wrong ? so why are you bringing up this for ? do you want me to bring up all the old times when you were wrong ?
If you can still remember ICB, we almost have the same scorecard when you watched it again except for the 11th round where you give it to Marquez. I brought up the issue because you were saying that you're so sure that Marquez won it when you yourself is not so sure about who won that fight (based on your other posts).
I say, people should stop claiming that Marquez
convincingly won the second fight coz nobody here is so sure about it. The judges scored it for PAcquaio and let's accept that.... Anyway, as you all are saying it was very difficult to score the fight.
I give the fight to Pacquaio for giving the harder shots. The judges must have seen it that way.:cool:
When did i say i was so sure JMM won ? all i said i've watched it multiple times and i've had the same scorecard. I just liked JMM in both fights. I never said he won convincingly so i don't really see your point.
Since rewatching the fight when have i ever said it was a robbery ? or Manny Pacquiao didn't deserve to win ? i've said they were very close fights. But i personally had JMM winning both so whats the problem ?
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genuine concensous over both fights is 50/50 for either fighter.
Kind of a shame the chance of a dream 3rd fight seem to be getting narrower and narrower with every passing day :(:(:(
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Re: I just watched Pacquiao-Marquez 2
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Julius Rain
we all have our opinion so lets just look at the facts.
pac won the second fight via sd. FACT!
the first fight was a draw, however the judge admitted he should of scored the first one 10-6 for pac but thought he couldn't. Therefor technically pac won the first fight as well. FACT!
Sorry to say guys :eek: but facts are facts and fact is pac won both fights ;)
No matter what any of us say. FACT! ;D
Thank you for reminding us that the first fight was won by Pac because the judge admitted to having made an error.:)
I would love to see PAc fight JMM again just to end this issue.
Fearless prediction: JMM will be TKOed under 6.
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brucelee
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Julius Rain
we all have our opinion so lets just look at the facts.
pac won the second fight via sd. FACT!
the first fight was a draw, however the judge admitted he should of scored the first one 10-6 for pac but thought he couldn't. Therefor technically pac won the first fight as well. FACT!
Sorry to say guys :eek: but facts are facts and fact is pac won both fights ;)
No matter what any of us say. FACT! ;D
Thank you for reminding us that the first fight was won by Pac because the judge admitted to having made an error.:)
I would love to see PAc fight JMM again just to end this issue.
Fearless prediction: JMM will be TKOed under 6.
It's hard to tell. Yeah Pac has improved by leaps and bounds. He may had a hard time to make 130 the last time..But you just can't underestimate a Juan Manuel Marquez. The guy has an incredible heart so as Pac. and his ability to recover from a hard punch is just phenomenal.
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Re: I just watched Pacquiao-Marquez 2
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brucelee
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Julius Rain
we all have our opinion so lets just look at the facts.
pac won the second fight via sd. FACT!
the first fight was a draw, however the judge admitted he should of scored the first one 10-6 for pac but thought he couldn't. Therefor technically pac won the first fight as well. FACT!
Sorry to say guys :eek: but facts are facts and fact is pac won both fights ;)
No matter what any of us say. FACT! ;D
Thank you for reminding us that the first fight was won by Pac because the judge admitted to having made an error.:)
I would love to see PAc fight JMM again just to end this issue.
Fearless prediction: JMM will be TKOed under 6.
It's hard to tell. Yeah Pac has improved by leaps and bounds. He may had a hard time to make 130 the last time..But you just can't underestimate a Juan Manuel Marquez. The guy has an incredible heart so as Pac. and his ability to recover from a hard punch is just phenomenal.
Yea Im also a big fan of jmm believe it or not. JMM is the only guy that withstand pacs onslaught and if thats more then enough to make me amaze at how amazing he is as well.
Eric lll no chance.
Mab ll no chance.
Diaz no chance.
Dela hoya no chance.
but JMM in like 3 years is the only guy that gives pac a challenge. My current favorite rivalry for sure.
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Re: I just watched Pacquiao-Marquez 2
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Julius Rain
yes pacquiao won..BOTH FIGHTS. FACT!;D
Look up an old Ring magazine. The one previewing Marquez-Pacquiao 2. Pac considers the first fight more of an embarrassment than anything else. And rightly so. Just look at it from his eyes. You floor a fighter not once. Not twice. But three times in one round. You can't finish him. He gets himself back into the fight. To make it worse he takes control of the fight and at times dominates. He seems to solve your style. The big punches your were landing so easily are not there no more. What looked like an easy night turns into a life and death struggle. You go into the 12th round not cruising to a win but fighting your heart out not to lose the fight. Instead of an easy win. You get a draw. Many feel you should of got the loss. Your shell shocked. Your excuse? You wore the wrong socks. Pac should be embarrass. I give him credit for admitting it.
You can consider the first fight a win for Pac when Pac himself doesn't consider it a win. FACT
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Casamayor Nuthugger 4 Life
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Julius Rain
yes pacquiao won..BOTH FIGHTS. FACT!;D
Look up an old Ring magazine. The one previewing Marquez-Pacquiao 2. Pac considers the first fight more of an embarrassment than anything else. And rightly so. Just look at it from his eyes. You floor a fighter not once. Not twice. But three times in one round. You can't finish him. He gets himself back into the fight. To make it worse he takes control of the fight and at times dominates. He seems to solve your style. The big punches your were landing so easily are not there no more. What looked like an easy night turns into a life and death struggle. You go into the 12th round not cruising to a win but fighting your heart out not to lose the fight. Instead of an easy win. You get a draw.
Many( I guess it should be some, okay VD I corrected it) feel you should of got the loss. Your shell shocked. Your excuse? You wore the wrong socks. Pac should be embarrass. I give him credit for admitting it.
You can consider the first fight a win for Pac when Pac himself doesn't consider it a win. FACT
And this post is from VD. :rolleyes:
FACT;D;D;D
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Re: I just watched Pacquiao-Marquez 2
I decided to watch the fight again and give an updated scorecard. I planned on doing this a couple of days ago but something came up. In case anyone is interested, here it is:
ROUND 1: The commentators were very pro Marquez for round 1 but I really thought it was a Pacquiao round. Marquez definitely landed the best shot of the round but Manny landed more punches that I had to give him the round. Compubox said Pacquiao landed twice as many shots as Marquez did going with what I believe happened in the first round.
Round to Pacquiao
1-0 Pacquiao
Pacquiao-10, Marquez-9
ROUND 2: Great round for Marquez. Marquez displayed his counter punching ability, lead off with a great left hook, and punctuated the round with another hook that wobbled Manny. Compubox had Marquez doubling Manny’s punches landed this round.
Round to Marquez
1-1 Tie
Pacquiao 19, Marquez 19
ROUND 3: Marquez, again, controlling the fight with his counter punching. Pacquiao rallies late and catches Marquez with a short left hand that drops him. Pacquiao finished the round with a short right hook that wobble Marquez again.
Round to Pacquiao
2-1 Pacquiao
Pacquiao 29, Marquez 27
ROUND 4: Pacquiao rode the momentum from the previous round and took advantage of Marquez trying to recover. Marquez had a couple shots in there but Pacquiao landed the harder, cleaner, more frequent blows.
Round to Pacquiao
3-1 Pacquiao
Pacquiao 39, Marquez 36
ROUND 5: Marquez and Pacquiao both landed on each other but Marquez’ blows were much more solid than Manny’s.
Round to Marquez
3-2 Pacquiao
Pacquiao 48, Marquez 46
ROUND 6: Marquez controlled that round and landed some good punches along the way.
Round to Marquez
3-3 Tie
Pacquiao 57, Marquez 56
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ROUND 7: Close round. Marquez started out well, Pacquiao landed as the round progressed. I believe Pacquiao’s shots were more solid and got the better of the exchanges. A lot of Marquez’ flurries were blocked.
Round to Pacquiao
4-3 Pacquiao
Pacquiao 67, Marquez 65
ROUND 8: Great round for Marquez. I think that was the most dominant round any fighter has had against Manny. Marquez landed BIG shots and had Manny hurt to the body.
Round to Marquez
4-4 Tie
Pacquiao 76, Marquez 75
ROUND 9: Closest round of the fight. Both fighters landed their punches and I had the round even. But if I had to give it to someone I think Pacquiao’s biggest punch was way bigger than any of the punches Marquez landed in the round.
Round to Pacquiao
5-4 Pacquiao
Pacquiao 86, Marquez 84
ROUND 10: Manny wobbles Marquez with his first punch of the round. Pacquiao’s early onslaught and continued ability to land his left hand won him the round.
Round to Pacquiao
6-4 Pacquiao
Pacquiao 96, Marquez 93
ROUND 11: Manny blocked a lot of Marquez’ shots but I also believe Manny didn’t land enough punches to convincingly win the round. Marquez’ right hand was the most apparent punch in the round.
Round to Marquez
6-5 Pacquiao
Pacquiao 105, Marquez 103
ROUND 12: Marquez landed the more significant blows in the round. I actually don’t see how anyone could give the 12th to Manny. Lederman and I had a very similar scorecard. I think we differed opinions on the 12th.
Round to Marquez
6-6 Tie
Pacquiao 114, Marquez 113
FINAL SCORE: 114-113 in favor of Pacquiao. This fight had so many close rounds (1, 7, 9 could’ve gone either way), making it a big deal on everyone’s scorecards.
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Re: I just watched Pacquiao-Marquez 2
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ROUND 7: Close round. Marquez started out well, Pacquiao landed as the round progressed. I believe Pacquiao’s shots were more solid and got the better of the exchanges. A lot of Marquez’ flurries were blocked.
Round to Pacquiao
4-3 Pacquiao
Pacquiao 67, Marquez 65
ROUND 8: Great round for Marquez. I think that was the most dominant round any fighter has had against Manny. Marquez landed BIG shots and had Manny hurt to the body.
Round to Marquez
4-4 Tie
Pacquiao 76, Marquez 75
ROUND 9: Closest round of the fight. Both fighters landed their punches and I had the round even. But if I had to give it to someone I think Pacquiao’s biggest punch was way bigger than any of the punches Marquez landed in the round.
Round to Pacquiao
5-4 Pacquiao
Pacquiao 86, Marquez 84
ROUND 10: Manny wobbles Marquez with his first punch of the round. Pacquiao’s early onslaught and continued ability to land his left hand won him the round.
Round to Pacquiao
6-4 Pacquiao
Pacquiao 96, Marquez 93
ROUND 11: Manny blocked a lot of Marquez’ shots but I also believe Manny didn’t land enough punches to convincingly win the round. Marquez’ right hand was the most apparent punch in the round.
Round to Marquez
6-5 Pacquiao
Pacquiao 105, Marquez 103
ROUND 12: Marquez landed the more significant blows in the round. I actually don’t see how anyone could give the 12th to Manny. Lederman and I had a very similar scorecard. I think we differed opinions on the 12th.
Round to Marquez
6-6 Tie
Pacquiao 114, Marquez 113
FINAL SCORE: 114-113 in favor of Pacquiao. This fight had so many close rounds (1, 7, 9 could’ve gone either way), making it a big deal on everyone’s scorecards.
I gave the 11th to Pac and the 12th even.
Good analysis.But honestly,,I myself don't know why I suddenly can't give Marquez the 12th. The 1st time I scored the fight it was a no brainer to me. Yeah he was the aggressor. He probably threw more punches on that round on all of the 24 rounds against Pac.but considering that 'nothing significant and damaging' really connected compared to the manner he was landing those left hooks and right straights earlier. While Pac was landing jabs and short lefts more than ever and is surprisingly blocking almost all of Marquez's blows.
There is this feeling. AHHH it was the final round and Marquez was throwing it all out..against Pacquiao! you expect an all out war. and props to Marquez for doing so.But here's Pac suddenly boxing great...against Marquez! he made JMM looked desperate. there is that feeling now. amazed. props to Pac. If I can generously give Marquez a round for containing a barbaric assault from Pacquiao..Maybe we can do things the other way around. you feelin me? But heck I still scored the round even. But that doesn't mean I think Lederman's card was erroneous. In fact I don't wanna watch the fight for another time..coz I also have this feeling that if I would do a few more scrutiny on the 12th...I could very well agree with him!
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Pacman won it because of his Aggression.