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Thanks! 90K+ tickets... Big gate!Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Wembley Arena & Wembley Stadium are 2 different places. The Arena holds somewhere between 12,000 & 20,000. Wembley Stadium has a capacity of 90,000+, plus at least 200 more that could be seated ringsideQuote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus
Please don't say that.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by milesIt isnt a case of fuck Hatton and what he wants. Its a case of some of his fans saying what they actually want. If a pro Hatton crowd in a stadium can generate a lot of interest then so be it. Why do it in a sterilised casino venue with the empty sound of slot machines in the background?? Oh because Pac is PFP number 1!!. Is Pac really the bigger draw?? Maybe for HBO.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Overall yes Pacquiao is a bigger draw right now
Ricky Hatton is the biggest supported fighter in the world. And has been for the past couple of years. He got 50,000 for Juan Lazcano, Lazcano for fuck sake. A Pac fight would go beyond 100,000.
Why do you think Floyd Mayweather's camp have just offered him a rematch ? there's a lot of money to be made off Hatton's name.
Who said he was ?Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by milesKostya went over to the UK, Pac can do the same. And in a much bigger environment.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Oscar was the main draw for this. Come on, now. And I hate Oscar.
Miles please...Oscar is the main draw for every fight he is in that is a no brainer...
Explain to me how Pacquiao is obligated to come to the UK...Or do you think he is obligated to come there I should say...
Why not South Africa? Germany? Better yet how about May Day Stadium in Korea...Biggest one in the world...
Just do not try to deny a fight in the UK favors Hatton crowd wise....
Why not have the fight in the Philippines?
Having it in the UK would be so much bigger than the US.
100,000 people attending a boxing event. Man you can't describe what would it would be like in words. It would be spectacular to say the least.
2 fighters with there whole countrys behind them going at it. The British love Hatton. The Phillipines love Pac.
It's wrong to stage this fight in the USA. A change for ONCE would be nice.
[quote=leftylee;654715][quote=DaxxKahn;654595]:appl:exactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
[quote=Mark TKO;654721][quote=leftylee;654715]I said that haha. Dunno why it's saying Miles above the quote ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
I would love to see that.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeWho said he was ?Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
Miles please...Oscar is the main draw for every fight he is in that is a no brainer...
Explain to me how Pacquiao is obligated to come to the UK...Or do you think he is obligated to come there I should say...
Why not South Africa? Germany? Better yet how about May Day Stadium in Korea...Biggest one in the world...
Just do not try to deny a fight in the UK favors Hatton crowd wise....
Why not have the fight in the Philippines?
Having it in the UK would be so much bigger than the US.
100,000 people attending a boxing event. Man you can't describe what would it would be like in words. It would be spectacular to say the least.
2 fighters with there whole countrys behind them going at it. The British love Hatton. The Phillipines love Pac.
It's wrong to stage this fight in the USA. A change for ONCE would be nice.
[quote=leftylee;654724][quote=Mark TKO;654721]why is it my name is quoted with applause in your post? I never made any such postQuote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
Really... Floyds camp did?....Amazing since Floyd has yet to announce his official return....Keep confusing rumor with fact...Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleePlease don't say that.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
Overall yes Pacquiao is a bigger draw right now
Ricky Hatton is the biggest supported fighter in the world. And has been for the past couple of years. He got 50,000 for Juan Lazcano, Lazcano for fuck sake. A Pac fight would go beyond 100,000.
Why do you think Floyd Mayweather's camp have just offered him a rematch ? there's a lot of money to be made off Hatton's name.
As for it being wrong for the fight to take place in the US don't ever remember saying it had to be in the US...Again that is just Lefty acting like an ass by talking out of his ass.......
Fight could be anywhere Japan, SA, Germany where ever just why should it be in a pro Hatton or Pro Pacquiao crowd?...
As for the US having all the big fights like I stated before when the UK promoters can generate the purses that US promoters do then maybe they can get some more worth while fights there....
A shame US promoters have to come to the UK for you to have any worth while match up's
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/a...NUE_12135a.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by KananKrusThanks! 90K+ tickets... Big gate!Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinWembley Arena & Wembley Stadium are 2 different places. The Arena holds somewhere between 12,000 & 20,000. Wembley Stadium has a capacity of 90,000+, plus at least 200 more that could be seated ringsideQuote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus
Would have been so sweet!!
Seating for 90,000 people and for concerts they have 15,000 standing on the pitch area. So potentially about 100,000 boxing fans could see it live.
Even if every ticket was £50 they take $10,000,000 so yes, that is a fucking big gate lol
LOL are you for real ?Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnReally... Floyds camp did?....Amazing since Floyd has yet to announce his official return....Keep confusing rumor with fact...Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleePlease don't say that.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Ricky Hatton is the biggest supported fighter in the world. And has been for the past couple of years. He got 50,000 for Juan Lazcano, Lazcano for fuck sake. A Pac fight would go beyond 100,000.
Why do you think Floyd Mayweather's camp have just offered him a rematch ? there's a lot of money to be made off Hatton's name.
As for it being wrong for the fight to take place in the US don't ever remember saying it had to be in the US...Again that is just Lefty acting like an ass by talking out of his ass.......
Fight could be anywhere Japan, SA, Germany where ever just why should it be in a pro Hatton or Pro Pacquiao crowd?...
As for the US having all the big fights like I stated before when the UK promoters can generate the purses that US promoters do then maybe they can get some more worth while fights there....
A shame US promoters have to come to the UK for you to have any worth while match up's
So in effect couldn't I say why didn't ODLH-Pac take place in India, what about Thailand ? Hmmm I wonder why :rolleyes:
It's wrong for the fight to take place in the USA because the fight doesn't involve the US at all. Sky Box Office (A British firm) will be broadcasting and will have the rights. The fighters are British and Filipino respectively.
To make it simple here's why the fight should be in the UK:
One of the fighters is from the UK. The other fighter is more than happy to come to the UK.
The UK would gain the most money from the fight
The UK would gain the most fans attending, 100,000 plus. It would be a unique, extroadinary event.
The MGM would sell how many seats ? 15,000 ? No where close.
I'll think you'll find I'm not talking out my ass, I'm making valid points and people are agreeing with me ;)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3064/...068082.jpg?v=0
This is the MGM Grand Garden Arena.
Compare this to what Kel posted of Wembley.
:lolhaha: Not even close hahaha
Its about time we brits had a big showdown fight over here.Wembly or the Millennium stadium would be top draw stuff!!
Honestly, I thought THIS was that time Yvonne. I am totally gutted, I really had my heart set on being there:(Quote:
Originally Posted by yvonne
I am really fucked off to be honest
It really makes more sense for Wembley than Vegas if promoting boxing back to prominence is utmost consideration. Which nowadays is sadly not.
Imagine the impact of that fight in terms of the excitement buildup for it touches a lot more people on a live basis. That is the reason why during Ali's time, boxing was so popular. He fought in so many other countries and places. Germany, Philippines, Zaire in Africa comes to mind. Ali was the biggest draw then, his willingness to fight it anywhere is stuff of legends. We still talk about it now even after several decades have gone past.
I am thinking that with Pacquiao's heightened awarenes of his place in boxing history, if it were solely on him, he'd pick Wembley over Vegas.
Thanks for the pics, they're magnifick! Gives me clear perspective of what I will be missing out, when Father Bob makes it official and announces the fight venue will be in Vegas. http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...cons/icon8.gif
It is always... money talks.
Im a bit pissed off:mad: if this is true that the fight wont be made over here!Come on 100,000 spectators rammed into Wembly's open top roof stadium during the summer!!!!I'll be fantasic;D:cool:
This fight has not even been discussed yet, whoever posted this crap is full of shit. Arum in is in the Philippines at the moment celebrating Mannys birthday.
Well villa vs wilde was in the U.S. but I do agree I would prefer the fight at wembley stadium because what ever happens the fans win. The U.K deserves this event. Hatton is huge compare to most fighters worldwide. And I like the thought of pac traveling the world to prove his greatness. My dad agree as well cause he got a chance to see ali vs frazier in manila, Its great when fighters travel and fight worldwide. I think arum wants this in vegas because of all the gamblers. I say forget them and give this one to the fans. Wembley can hold like 100,000 if not there atleast give it to the phillippines for a TRUE TRILLA IN MANILLA PART TWO, in the Araneta Coliseum. But Araneta can only hold about 25,000. If they want the most money its a no brainer WEMBLEY STADIUM! Plus pac has already stated he wants to fight in england! I think pac will win but with that much people backing hatton up hatton has a better chance of making this fight more competitive. We never really know.
I have to agree completelyQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
these are two foreign fighters...and americans only give a damn about american born fighters...thats why oscar was so big.
This fight is probably gonna do about 500k buys in the states because most foreign fighters do not sell to casual fans, but the die hard boxing fan will order this fight.
The fight should be in Dubai in my opinion for neutral ground, Dubai is filthy rich and they love hatton and pacquiao there.
Do they? Since when?Quote:
Originally Posted by MoonoI have to agree completelyQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
these are two foreign fighters...and americans only give a damn about american born fighters...thats why oscar was so big.
This fight is probably gonna do about 500k buys in the states because most foreign fighters do not sell to casual fans, but the die hard boxing fan will order this fight.
The fight should be in Dubai in my opinion for neutral ground, Dubai is filthy rich and they love hatton and pacquiao there.
They can make much more money on just tickets sales by holding the fight at Wembley. However a Vegas casino will give them millions of dollars to hold the fight in their casino rather than at Wembley, which will charge maybe a million to stage the fight there. But the main thing here is that HBO won't do a PPV fight featuring two non-American boxers from another country. If Manny and Ricky want the PPV money from America then they have to hold it in the States.
100000 tickets at £100 average is ten million quid, or 15 million American.
Let's say 13 after fees. A Vegas casino will pay five million for this fight, so let's say they're ahead eight million by holding it at Wembley. Let's say it does only 500000 PPV buys in the States. They get roughly half the total PPV take, so they'd make $ twelve and a half million from the PPV. Even if it does Pavlik-Hopkins/Jones-Calzaghe numbers they probably come out ahead, but they're guaranteed to do better and the upside is massive. If it does a million PPV buys they split $25 million just from US TV. They're not having it in Vegas because they'd make more money holding it in England.
I posted this crap you prick - and if you note my subject title has two '??' at the end of it because it was unconfirmed rumours. I was merely reporting the news to the forum.Etiquette in the world of the fight fan - are you one ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Its gonna be a war
I also don't care where Arum is - he's not a friend of mine and doesn't owe me a pint
Now do me a favour and Foxtrot Oscar
You should come to England yourself if the fight gets made. I'll be going. I'll be going with a few friends. We already looking to grab a slutty cockney whore to make it extra great. Cockneys love the scouse accent, so i'm guessing it would be easy to pull down there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Oh yes, a scouse accent drives women wild. And makes them hold onto their handbags much tighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeYou should come to England yourself if the fight gets made. I'll be going. I'll be going with a few friends. We already looking to grab a slutty cockney whore to make it extra great. Cockneys love the scouse accent, so i'm guessing it would be easy to pull down there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
The first sentence is correct. The second is just a stereotype. The majority are good really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingOh yes, a scouse accent drives women wild. And makes them hold onto their handbags much tighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeYou should come to England yourself if the fight gets made. I'll be going. I'll be going with a few friends. We already looking to grab a slutty cockney whore to make it extra great. Cockneys love the scouse accent, so i'm guessing it would be easy to pull down there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
britain or philipines it has to be
Fair enough, I'm perfectly willing to accept that 50+% of people from your part of the world aren't criminals.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeThe first sentence is correct. The second is just a stereotype. The majority are good really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingOh yes, a scouse accent drives women wild. And makes them hold onto their handbags much tighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
Imagine if this fight will be done in Wembley..... Rabid Hatton fans would be throwing stones, bottles,etc. on Pac if he KOs HAtton.:-X
I think US would be a little neutral place. As many of you have said, thousands of Hatton fans would go to US just to watch him fight.
Also, I believe that there are more Filipinos in the US than in UK. For us Filipinos, US will be a nice place to stage the fight.:cool:
Would be awesome to go to England. Ofcourse a slutty whore is always a plus. I do think I have time to save for the travel. I'll try to man if the fight takes place there and i hope it does.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeYou should come to England yourself if the fight gets made. I'll be going. I'll be going with a few friends. We already looking to grab a slutty cockney whore to make it extra great. Cockneys love the scouse accent, so i'm guessing it would be easy to pull down there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
A typically stupid Moono post, shockingQuote:
Originally Posted by MoonoI have to agree completelyQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
these are two foreign fighters...and americans only give a damn about american born fighters...thats why oscar was so big.
This fight is probably gonna do about 500k buys in the states because most foreign fighters do not sell to casual fans, but the die hard boxing fan will order this fight.
The fight should be in Dubai in my opinion for neutral ground, Dubai is filthy rich and they love hatton and pacquiao there.
Well I mean of course Arum's not gonna want Pac to fight with 90, 000 Hatton fans there, fan support like that could possibly influence scoring in a tight fight.
It would be an event though, just from the perspective of a normal fan.
I'am a bit disappointed with Hatton and his managment if the fight happens in vegas.He should stand firm and fight in Britain It would be a huge night for britain and boxing around the world if a boxing match sold 90,000+ tickets.
know what u mean i have lost a little respect for him as he said he wanted to fight paulie at maddison sqaure garden then said it was cheaper for the fans if he fought in vegas:confused: if he can fight in britain he bloody well should do, calzaghe fought in vegas & new york to prove a point. Hatton remember you fans:(Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebif
Miles is dead ass wrong on this and he's letting emotion cloud his judgement.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesKostya went over to the UK, Pac can do the same. And in a much bigger environment.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
Overall yes Pacquiao is a bigger draw right now
Oscar was the main draw for this. Come on, now. And I hate Oscar.
As far as who is the better draw, Pac is a much bigger draw. Pac has a huge fanbase in the US. He trains out of LA, and the west coast and a few other parts of the US have huge Filipino populations. Ever been to LA or San Diego, Miles? Even most people on the East Coast have no idea how large the Filipino population is other places. Also, Pac has a fanbase in the Latin population of the US and in Latin America itself. Those are huge markets who are all more likely to buy the fight or attend if it's on Las Vegas time.
You can't compare this to the KT fight. Kostya/Hatton wouldn't have drawn crap in the US or anywhere else except the UK. At that time, nobody over here knew who Ricky Hatton was, and honestly, not many outside of hardcore fans knew who Kostya was. Ricky, on the other hand, had a huge following in the UK and nowhere else. Kostya went to the UK because that's where he could make the most money. He was a Russian based out of Australia. Please. He also never had the fanbase or frankly, the resume of Pacman.
Worldwide Manny is the bigger draw. It isn't even close. I'm sure Manny would have gone to England if that was where he could get the most money, but I'm sure at the end of the he would rather fight in Vegas, 4 hours from Freddie's gym. Manny and his people rightly hold all the cards in this one. If you don't like it, suck it up and deal. He's #1 P4p, and coming off a win against ODLH. It makes perfect sense. Ricky is lucky to get the fight, and I'm sure he would have gone to Mars to make it happen.
Hatton has no choice in this. He going where Pac's people tell him to go. Don't blame Hatton. Just be happen Hatton is getting his shot at Pac.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebif
Hatton and his team have a say where he fights, if he fights in vegas there will be only about 8,000 of his fans will get tickets and many 1000s wont.Where if it was in britain it would sell at least 80-90,000 easy. Iam not disrespecting Manny's fans but no fighter on the planet can match Hatton for pulling in the crowds.Quote:
Originally Posted by RozzySeanHatton has no choice in this. He going where Pac's people tell him to go. Don't blame Hatton. Just be happen Hatton is getting his shot at Pac.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebif
I wonder how many PPV sales Manny would do in the US if his opponent wasn't Oscar or a Latino fighter. If this fight gets made we're going to find out and I expect it to be limited. Hatton-Manny won't do anywhere near a million US PPV buys in my opinion, maybe less than 500 000. Hatton's UK PPV money total might even be in the same ballpark. I'm no expert on how much Manny's domestic TV market is worth to the promotion but seeing as the GDP of the Phillipines is about 5% of the UK's then I'm guessing Manny's home market is worth relative buttons. The economic leverage is actually pretty samey on both sides in this negotiation.Quote:
Originally Posted by RozzySeanHatton has no choice in this. He going where Pac's people tell him to go. Don't blame Hatton. Just be happen Hatton is getting his shot at Pac.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebif
Can't be arsed to read the whole thread so this may have already been said.
But the simpe truth is it's Hatton and Manny who want the fight in Vegas, it has nothing to do with what the fans want.
Vegas & US PPV makes more money for both fighters, period.
I don't blame them at all, I'd do the same.
It would be just as great if it happens in Vegas,but a fight at Wembley would be historical.
It's going to be a pro Hatton crowd no matter were it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn