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People I think can beat Pac at their weight that ARE NOT Margarito or any WW for that...
Nate Campbell
Juan Diaz
Ricky Hatton
JMM with a 3rd try.
P.S. Pac has not ducked any1. I wouldn't blame him for not fighting Ricky right now. That fight is risky as hell, and he still has 2 divisions to clear out. (LW & JWW) Don't get me wrong, I want to see this fight more than anything!
Nothing seems to be easier than seeing someone whom you can help but not helping.I suggest we start giving it a try. Give love to the ones that need it.God will appreciate it.
Just read an article that was on here that Hatton-Paulie only did like 200K in the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
I don't think Pacquiao is being foolish, he deserves more money than Hatton deserves to make, he is fighting the bigger guy, he is the one with everything to lose, Hatton has nothing to lose.
He would make a lot more money fighting Mayweather even if it was a 50/50 split, that fight would be huge in the states and probably go for nearly 2 million buys.
Also IMO Pacquiao beats either Cotto or Margarito, he is way too fast, and not just of hand but of foot, I mean Zab Judah could have beaten Cotto with he would have consistently thrown that left hand and Pacquiao does throw it more, and he sets it up better. Margarito is a lumbering giant of a man, but he has terrible footwork and Pacquiao is way quicker of foot than Cotto and way lighter on his feet, everytime Margarito comes barreling in Pacquiao will easily maintain the distance, and he can do it all night, and if Cotto looked so fast against Marg, imagine how Pacquiao will look.
Here's the latest news. Looks like Ricky told GBP he's done with Manny, and to get him either Oscar, Floyd, or the winner of Marquez/Diaz.
Proposed Ricky Hatton-Manny Pacquiao fight called off - ESPN
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Originally Posted by Diane
Dan speaks the truth with this part!!!!
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Arum and Schaefer quickly wrapped up negotiations and Hatton agreed to a 50-50 split of the revenue, even though he generates substantially more money in British television rights than Pacquiao could ever hope to generate in the poorer Philippines.
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Originally Posted by Diane
Even Pac's own promoter thinks he possibly bottled it ;D
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Originally Posted by FensterlolQuote:
Originally Posted by Diane
Even Pac's own promoter thinks he possibly bottled it ;D
Man Pacman is a diva, this guy has got to be the worst person to do business with in boxing! worse then Roy jones jr in his prime.
Even Floyd mayweather jr is not as hard to do business with then pacquiao, floyd jr accepted a 70 30 against oscar.
Where? Post the link please TaethQuote:
Originally Posted by TaethJust read an article that was on here that Hatton-Paulie only did like 200K in the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Bob Arum on Paquiao's decision:
"It's really as close to bizarre as anything I have ever been involved in. Considering what the next alternative is for Manny, this is bizarre."
"I don't know what really happened here but there are two things," One, Manny didn't really want the fight, which I doubt. Secondly, we all know Manny is a gambler, a poker player. He probably figured if he was strong to the end, they would fold and they didn't."
How is Hatton messing out... You do realize hatton has been the kingpin of 140 for almost 4 years now right?
I would also venture to say Hatton has more career earning than Pac up to this point[/quote]
My bad, typo (missing out). It's all about the money..... There is no draw out there for Hatton, like Hatton/Pacquiao....He is missing out on $4 to $6 million more than any other match up and possibly as much as $10 Million. except... GBP and TOP Rank are the guys doing the nego. Pacquiao didn't quite get that he is making the lions share by taking half of the UK PPV's when Hatton didn't have to agree. Top Rank was betting on a hugue PPV UK draw. On Pacquiao's side, and you can't really blame him by defeating ODH and beacuse of his own appeal makes him the top draw in Boxing no matter who he is fighting. He just wants that recognition. What the promoters should have done was shut up about the UK money and rewrite the split 60/40 Hatton UK PPV and 60/40 US PPV buys for Pacquiao with a slight guaranteed purse going to Pacquiao. Since Hatton's crew believes UK PPV are the bigger draw they should have had a problem.
I would venture to say that Hatton would be responsible for 95% of the UK PPV buys and at least 50% of the US PPV buys.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
Pacquiao is either delusional or affraid.
One of the mods on Hatton site says he will not be fighting De La Hoya.Which iam glad Hatton doesnt want Mannys beaten fighters.
hatton possess all of the qualitys ODHL seemed to of lost when Pac beat him.
Not taking too much away from Manny, was coming up against a bigger man, but lets face it... Oscar looked dead in there... old and weight drained... if Oscar boxed like a zombie then Hatton is a very live body and might actually be able to make the natural size advantage count for something.
Fucking hell... I'd fight for less than 1% of what these guys are getting... 2 men... perfect 50-50 split? what's wrong with that?
Does he actually want the fight or is he getting greedy?
beating Hatton is likely to give pac bigger earning potential than beating Zab Judah anway
To me this is just all talk:rolleyes:it's all about winding people up and getting people talking about it.Im not even going to get worked up over it,i dont believe the hype and thats all this is "Hype!"It's on for sure.Chow;)
Both of those guys just have to hit him clean once to slow him down, and its all over..Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethJust read an article that was on here that Hatton-Paulie only did like 200K in the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
I don't think Pacquiao is being foolish, he deserves more money than Hatton deserves to make, he is fighting the bigger guy, he is the one with everything to lose, Hatton has nothing to lose.
He would make a lot more money fighting Mayweather even if it was a 50/50 split, that fight would be huge in the states and probably go for nearly 2 million buys.
Also IMO Pacquiao beats either Cotto or Margarito, he is way too fast, and not just of hand but of foot, I mean Zab Judah could have beaten Cotto with he would have consistently thrown that left hand and Pacquiao does throw it more, and he sets it up better. Margarito is a lumbering giant of a man, but he has terrible footwork and Pacquiao is way quicker of foot than Cotto and way lighter on his feet, everytime Margarito comes barreling in Pacquiao will easily maintain the distance, and he can do it all night, and if Cotto looked so fast against Marg, imagine how Pacquiao will look.
Cotto is deceptive with his handspeed, and would crush Pac.. its a matter of when not how they will catch him
I get that feeling too mind, kind of reminds me of the talk before Calzaghe/Kessler
Oh man this is so disappointing, as a Hatton fan I don't want to see any of the other fights now rumoured. ODLH and JMM just don't appeal as Pac has already beaten them. And I just don't see him beating PBF in a rematch.
Why Pac has backed out is beyond me, he stands to make the biggest purse of his career in a Superfight!! Surely he's not scared, no way with his resume. :confused:
On another note, Taeth are you insane? You normally speak sense but your quote below is just plain crazy. Cotto and Margarito both do to Pac what everybody thought ODLH would do, Knock him the f*** out!
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Originally Posted by Taeth
Hope your right, that was my initial thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by yvonne
Everyone loses out if the fight don't happen.
I gotta say, if Jmm goes onto beat Diaz and then Hatton, he would be the new PFP#1 IMO
Juan is all about fighting the toughest competition and not bitching out over a few percent
I hope your right but i think if the fight was going to happen it would of been signed hope iam wrong.But the signs dont look good with Hatton already lined up a couple of fighters to fight him in England in the summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by yvonne
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Originally Posted by fan johnny
I dont get that at all.
no one who doesnt already watch boxing would have seen Oscar against pac.
As sad as it is Froch will now be more well known after struggling on ITV.
What are promoters being paid for because they arent trying very hard.
Remember Benn and Eubank were all over tv programmes to hype their rematch even though it didnt need it.
People dont care about boxing because boxers nowadays dont try very hard to get a bigger audience, after all the better the audience the better they get paid.
A few day time tv programmes, adverts even something like a reality tv programme, thats why boxng isnt as popular because its not on the most watched media and its on at stupid times that people cant be bothered to stay up till, even the uk shows that have a main event at about 10 is too late, if they were on at 8pm, theyd get much bigger audiences and interest.
10pm on a weekend most casual sports fans are pissed out their skulls and wont watch tv.
Even sky sports say the fight is off now it doesnt look good nothing on Hatton site yet! Hatton even went up to 53% in the end and Manny doesnt want to know.
I just don't understand the people in Manny's ear. 50-52% of a lot money will be a lot more than whatever his high percentage against Humberto Soto or Valero will be. Arum must be pulling whatever hair he has left out.
Manny Pacquiao = http://politicalcartooncarnival.type...hickenshit.jpg
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You read an article or a post? I remember a post proposing a similar number, but I'm pretty sure it was someone who was making an argument that Hatton wasn't a draw. Like I said my cousin was working there freelance on the night, and let's say that it was under there lowest estimate, there is no way that they could have misjudged it that badly on the night, so let's say a minimum of 400,000 buys assuming the Sky people fucked up badly. Anyway the figures I heard are still not spectacular when you take into account that nearly 1.5 million people in the UK bought the PBF-Hatton PPV.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethJust read an article that was on here that Hatton-Paulie only did like 200K in the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
I don't think Pacquiao is being foolish, he deserves more money than Hatton deserves to make, he is fighting the bigger guy, he is the one with everything to lose, Hatton has nothing to lose.
He would make a lot more money fighting Mayweather even if it was a 50/50 split, that fight would be huge in the states and probably go for nearly 2 million buys.
Also IMO Pacquiao beats either Cotto or Margarito, he is way too fast, and not just of hand but of foot, I mean Zab Judah could have beaten Cotto with he would have consistently thrown that left hand and Pacquiao does throw it more, and he sets it up better. Margarito is a lumbering giant of a man, but he has terrible footwork and Pacquiao is way quicker of foot than Cotto and way lighter on his feet, everytime Margarito comes barreling in Pacquiao will easily maintain the distance, and he can do it all night, and if Cotto looked so fast against Marg, imagine how Pacquiao will look.
Yeah a Pacquiao-PBF fight would be huge, I've never said it wouldn't BUT there is no way Al Haymon & the rest of Floyd's people would take anything less than 50-50 & they might not even do that. Plus Hatton-Pacquiao would at the least do over a million sales in the UK alone. Pacquiao would be cut in on this thanks to how Arum did the deal.
Cannot see Manny beatin Margarito, at some point he would probably try to trade with him & that would be it. He would have to fight a boring fight in order to beat Margarito because there is NO WAY he would knock him out.
There is a reason Arum is pushing for this fight (especially considerin he promotes Cotto & Margarito) because it's the most lucrative one.
If that happens, beating Casamayor, Diaz, then Hatton, he is definitely going to steal the top spot. Damn, then that would set up one hell of a P4P battle with Pac. If Marquez wants to get all that done he better not waste anytime. He's getting old. Diaz in Feb, Hatton in July, then Pacquiao in December. The thought of it makes me shiver.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
I think the same thing too. This is just to get the boxing world talking about it. Now we're all depressing about it not happening then all of a sudden, BOOM! Fight is signed, now we're just that much more excited about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by yvonne
I for one would like the match-up to happen right away. But figure if Hatton and Pac fight down the road while beating other fighters along the way, it will build hype like crazy.
Pac refusing 50-50 is his way of not wanting the fight. Fukk him.
Hatton pushing for 50-50 knowing he doesn't deserve it is his way of not wanting the fight. Fukk him
Fukk them both.
According to the article linked earlier, Hatton had gone down to a 53-47 split for Manny, & Manny still wasnt havin itQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by leftylee
Tell me why the basic premise has being set for Pacquiao / Margarito? Pacquiao is keen on watching Margrito / Mosley fight. Don't come up with some lame dumb as answer either.
Hatton's draw numbers are down against other fighters and no way he could even hope to generate the kind of money a Pacquiao / Hatton fight can. Even a rematch with Mayweather would come up way short. A place Hatton can make good money is in the UK with live tickets and it's gotta be with one of the alaphbets cause IBO ain't gonna get him anything. The only thing you write that make sence is about Hatton fans.
Marquez ain't going up to 140 to fight Hatton because he'd get his ass knocked out and knows it. It would tank his career again. I wouldn't even watch it and I'd only look at the highlights after the fight on youtube. Most people don't even know the fighter names you have listed not only that they are all in the lightweight and superfeather weight class, not the jr welterweight and welterweight class.
You think PAC is going to fit the winner of Margarito/Mosely(Margarito). Talk about getting his ass kicked pillar to post.
Whatever happen to Fighting for pride and glory?
Thats what I want to see not disputes about money.
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Music to Don King's ears.
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Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" Medina
Music to Don King's ears.
Manny is obviously not scared of Hatton or anything like that, most likely he thinks he's the man (rightfully so) and wants the bigger share as a sign of that, but he's cutting off his nose to spite his face, I love that expression.
What people are forgetting here amongst all of this emotional diatribe is Manny holds all the aces, he just KTFO the PPV king of the past 10 years and that gives him all the bargaining rights he wants. Hatton will have to take what is offered or lump it.
Hatton gave in on the demands and conceded a few % to Pac... While Manny wont even pick up the phone to anyone even Freddie Roach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Pac knows hatton aint a dried up shriveled Delahoya and got a case of the limber tail
I read that also. Freddie Roach has been trying to get hold of Manny Pacquiao but he ain't answering his phone, pathetic. Really disapointed with the way Manny has acted.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockHatton gave in on the demands and conceded a few % to Pac... While Manny wont even pick up the phone to anyone even Freddie Roach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Pac knows hatton aint a dried up shriveled Delahoya and got a case of the limber tail
I think for whatever reason fear i doubt being one of them manny isn't as confident he can beat hatton as other people around him are. I mean c'mon these closer percentages were more than fair and both guys have earned thier money but damn manny.....on the other hand now hatton knows what witter was going through on a much smaller smaller scale. If nothing manny backing out is sort of a semi victory for ricky in a way all fear the new boxing dancing mayweather approved hatton i guess he can use that for awhile.
Comparing Pac to Witter. :(
I ain't no fan of Pac. I recognize his greatness. But I'm far from a fan. I ain't no fan of Hatton either. I recognize his....his. He's got titles. I acknowledge that. But not a fan. Both these fighters have huge groupie fan clubs that rush to there defense at any posts not calling them master. All that blind lust leads to finger pointing. Neither side is capable of seeing the truth. When your on the outside looking in the truth is plain and simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinAccording to the article linked earlier, Hatton had gone down to a 53-47 split for Manny, & Manny still wasnt havin itQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Hatton should take his 40% and shut the fukk up. Cuz really that 40% is still to high. This fight should really be 70-30 for Pac. For one reason. And one reason only. He beat Oscar. Yes Oscar was shot. Beyound shot. But Pac still fought him and beat him. Hatton didn't. Hatton was offered the Oscar fight. But like a biitch he said no. He turned from white to yellow. If he would of took the fight and won he would be in the driver seat calling the shots. He could dictate his terms to anybody. Including Mayweather. But no. The thought of him flying into the ring post in back to back fights was haunting his dreams. So he turned the fight down. Like a biitch. Now shut the fukk up and take your 40% and be graceful your even getting that.
I gotta admit, I dont agree whatsoever with you on that. You say Oscar is the reason Pac should have the higher percentage ?. But isn't the fight for Ricky's title ? Isn't it at Ricky's weight class ? A weightclass that he's dominated for 5 years. Also Hatton brings the bigger following. Just cuz Pac beat Oscar means not a lot IMO when it comes to who should get the higher purse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI ain't no fan of Pac. I recognize his greatness. But I'm far from a fan. I ain't no fan of Hatton either. I recognize his....his. He's got titles. I acknowledge that. But not a fan. Both these fighters have huge groupie fan clubs that rush to there defense at any posts not calling them master. All that blind lust leads to finger pointing. Neither side is capable of seeing the truth. When your on the outside looking in the truth is plain and simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinAccording to the article linked earlier, Hatton had gone down to a 53-47 split for Manny, & Manny still wasnt havin itQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Hatton should take his 40% and shut the fukk up. Cuz really that 40% is still to high. This fight should really be 70-30 for Pac. For one reason. And one reason only. He beat Oscar. Yes Oscar was shot. Beyound shot. But Pac still fought him and beat him. Hatton didn't. Hatton was offered the Oscar fight. But like a biitch he said no. He turned from white to yellow. If he would of took the fight and won he would be in the driver seat calling the shots. He could dictate his terms to anybody. Including Mayweather. But no. The thought of him flying into the ring post in back to back fights was haunting his dreams. So he turned the fight down. Like a biitch. Now shut the fukk up and take your 40% and be graceful your even getting that.
And Ricky turned down the ODLH fight as he already had a verbal agreement with Paulie Malignaggi and stayed true to his promise to fight him. Unlike some.