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Re: floyd turns down Mosley....
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Floyd Mayweather Jr. Turns Down Shane Mosley - Boxing News
Exactly the reason why floyd will never get the respect he thinks he deserves. Every time he has a live challenge he turns it down and goes for a vulnerable option. Coward is probably my best description of him.
He wants Pac and doesn't want Mosley. Go figure. Mosley right now is in a great position that has opened up many options and has put any fighter willing to fight him in position to make more money. floyd has no excuse besides the fact the he's just no willing to risk losing his "0".
Well its quite obvious you just don't like PBF. Definitely one sided and some untrue. Keep in mind Mosley is my all time favorite fighter as I write this and I am no PBF fan. I just respect and am not in denial about his skills. But I am in no way bias. I remain a true boxing fan. You have a few things you fail to point out. One, PBF is retired. Its like me going on record and saying PBF is ducking me now because he is not coming out of retirement to fight me. Two, PBF left an Oscar fight on the table to retire so I'm pretty sure he isn't ducking anyone but just wants to retire or take time off. Three, PBF offered Mosley a fight twice and was turned down once and priced out the second. But of course, PBF is the coward because now he is in retirement not fighting anyone. Fourth, PBF never said he wants Pac or any other fighter for that matter. Fifth, PBF never made any statement it is everybody else making it for him and all the fans and anti-fans mixing half truths to create whatever they wish it to be. Like this thread. Let the man retire. Like Calzaghe, Lennox Lewis, and every boxer who retire. They are not active only your mind is so lets move on.
I guess you're underinformed because everyone who's following the developments knows floyd told his people to entertain offers. You can't have it both ways. If he doesn't want to fight then he should not say he wants to entertain offers. All of a sudden, the guy who poses the one of the biggest threats to his "0" comes off a big win showing he has plenty left and everyone of his fans calls him retired again. Bull!!!
You are right. I am underinformed. We all are thats why we are debating he said she said. We really don't know what Floyd said. Only that this person, that person, and my uncle's cousin's roommate's friend said Floyd told him this and that. Anybody in business will listen to a multimillion dollar spill, of course. But listening and not taking anyone up on their offer doesn't mean you can say that you pick out Mosley as the offer he is scared of. He hasn't taken any offer. My friend please be a little unbias and let the truth only lead so we can have a possible debate instead of an argument. Remember, Mosley turned down a Floyd fight twice and now Floyd has not accepted any offers and you call him coward. Mosley must be a coward too. YOU can't have it both ways. I am not a Floyd fan so he will not get anything more than he deserves from me. But I am not in denial, the boy is as close to the perfect fighter as I've seen. Ever.
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Re: floyd turns down Mosley....
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JT Rock
If Floyd chooses not to put his body thru the riggers and in harms way, why should that be held against him? He is not interested in fighting anymore bottom line.. That's his personal choice, it's his body and health... What do you give a shit for, if he fights and beats Mosely but collapses in the corner and goes into a coma like McClellan, you can still be some know it all hater who thinks he has the autonomy to dictate who is great FROM BEHIND A COMPUTER MONITOR in the safety of your home.
Fact is no one really gives a lump of dog dookey what you think is great or should be quote unquote held against someone.. Not Floyd, not the people at Canastota who already have a spot reserved for Floyd, me, probably 90% of the forum..
Hope that helped;)
Check out the irony in this statement...Man i hate dumbasses that wrongly use the word "hater"....how the fuck can one be a hater by stating the fact that floyd factually has retired leaving fighters on the table that could help him rank higher in the boxing al time great list. Not once have I said that floyd wasn't skillfully great or said that he couldn't beat mosley. But fanboys as much as I dislike that word also, you are obviously one for floyd. As in if no one says "nobody stands a chance against floyd period, or he'll easily beat this guy and that guy", then they're a hater? You're a retarded sensitive idiot that defends this guy as if he's paying you. And it's so bad that you can't even be objective. It's like if someone says Mosley has more power, you'll say "nope uhh uhh you're wrong floyds hands are faster so he hits harder" or some other dumbshit. here's a video for you and all the other floyd "supporters" whereas i like the guy because he's a talent in a sport that I love to watch. One my all time favs at that. So check yourself out in this joint.....and anyone else that may fit the shoe...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acYFSjblm4I
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Re: floyd turns down Mosley....
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Calzaghe, tried slapping Hopkins which IMO is coping out of really boxing to "Beat" Hopkins, he wasn't the one landing clean punches, if you want to give people rounds for throwing a lot of slaps and missing then be my guess, it was a close fight regardless, but Hopkins won it because of the knockdown. Calzaghe also good a gift decision against Roy Jones Jr., not that he won it, but by the margins the judges was retarded, no way did they have the right to give him every round except the first. Hell, I watched it originally on the Brittish broadcast and even they had Calzaghe only up by three or four rounds at the end, and they were sucking on Joe's cock when they talked about the fight.
Also Mayweather was too big for the lower divisions? He's only 5'8 looks like he's completely bulked out at 147. No way was he TOO big at 130 he fought over half his career there. He could easily still be a lightweight if he wasn't trying to up.
Holy s**t!!!! Your posts get more stupid as you get older. LMAO
What part of that is stupid? The only thing stupid regarding my post is your response, and what category your classified in when you take an I.Q. test.
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Re: floyd turns down Mosley....
Floyd knows he will get his ass kicked. Shane would manhande him and probably knock him out.
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That's what people said Corrales, Castillo, Judah, Hatton, and especially Oscar would do yet none of them came even close.
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Re: floyd turns down Mosley....
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Taeth
That's what people said Corrales, Castillo, Judah, Hatton, and especially Oscar would do yet none of them came even close.
those people were insanely hoping thats what would happen...none of those guys possess the package mosley does. he's all of them combined. 50/50 SSM vs PBF with the tide rolling to shane.
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Re: floyd turns down Mosley....
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JonesJrMayweather
"....how the fuck can one be a hater by stating the fact that floyd factually has retired leaving fighters on the table that could help him rank higher in the boxing al time great list.
If Floyd was ACTIVE then I would TTTRRRYYYYYYYYYYY to see some value in your remarks, the fact is Floyd dosent want to fight, has no interest in fighting anymore and really dosent care to... So as much as your feeling are hurt that he wont fight Shane because he's been retired for a year and a half and Shane turned down 2 fights with Floyd already, my advice is to get over it... I think its really Floyds choice on if he wants to continue or not and obviously is content with his place in boxing history, even though your not:rolleyes:
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Not once have I said that floyd wasn't skillfully great or said that he couldn't beat mosley. But fanboys as much as I dislike that word also, you are obviously one for floyd. As in if no one says "nobody stands a chance against floyd period, or he'll easily beat this guy and that guy", then they're a hater? You're a retarded sensitive idiot that defends this guy as if he's paying you. And it's so bad that you can't even be objective. It's like if someone says Mosley has more power, you'll say "nope uhh uhh you're wrong floyds hands are faster so he hits harder" or some other dumbshit. here's a video for you and all the other floyd "supporters" whereas i like the guy because he's a talent in a sport that I love to watch. One my all time favs at that. So check yourself out in this joint.....and anyone else that may fit the shoe...
Honestly I didnt read the above statement based on your poor track record and history around here.. You clearly are a novice
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Did this happen when Lewis left on top? Calling him a coward for ducking when he was really smart and just left while on top?
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Re: floyd turns down Mosley....
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JonesJrMayweather
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That's what people said Corrales, Castillo, Judah, Hatton, and especially Oscar would do yet none of them came even close.
those people were insanely
hoping thats what would happen...none of those guys possess the package mosley does. he's all of them combined. 50/50 SSM vs PBF with the tide rolling to shane.
Castillo, Corrales are not just more offensive fighters than Mosley, they possess the same p4p power he does at WW if not a lot more. Oscar hits harder than Mosley, he's quick, he's a better boxer(watch their second fight).
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That's what people said Corrales, Castillo, Judah, Hatton, and especially Oscar would do yet none of them came even close.
those people were insanely
hoping thats what would happen...none of those guys possess the package mosley does. he's all of them combined. 50/50 SSM vs PBF with the tide rolling to shane.
Castillo, Corrales are not just more offensive fighters than Mosley, they
possess the same p4p power he does at WW if not a lot more. Oscar hits harder than Mosley, he's quick, he's a better boxer(watch their second fight).
is this comment based off your assumption? Clearly not fact.
Because corrales was soundely beaten by clottey who walked through his shots all night.
And castlllo couldn't move hatton at 140 and lost to lujan at 147....
And dude let me clear something up with you,cause its getting kinda of silly. Yeah floyd is retired, and i dont have invested in any of these guys.
So my feeling arent hurt as you seem to think. I'm simply being objective.
Let me ask you this: If floyd fought and beat mosley, cotto, berto, clottey, and margo, would he not be considered higher than he would be with his current record?
If he doesn't fight again, fine. If he does then great. But he's the one that stated time and time again that he was concerned with his legacy. And after the hatton fight he said he was taking a break until 2010, so go figure. Ive also stated that id be pulling for PBF if they (he and mosley)did fight.
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Did this happen when Lewis left on top? Calling him a coward for ducking when he was really smart and just left while on top?
guy please, lennox fought everybody there was to fight. every challenger they threw at him. He was smart in seeing that Vitaly was probably capable of beating him, so after he got W for cutting Vitaly he retired. Smart.
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Re: floyd turns down Mosley....
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those people were insanely hoping thats what would happen...none of those guys possess the package mosley does. he's all of them combined. 50/50 SSM vs PBF with the tide rolling to shane.
Castillo, Corrales are not just more offensive fighters than Mosley, they
possess the same p4p power he does at WW if not a lot more. Oscar hits harder than Mosley, he's quick, he's a better boxer(watch their second fight).
is this comment based off your assumption? Clearly not fact.
Because corrales was soundely beaten by clottey who walked through his shots all night.
And castlllo couldn't move hatton at 140 and lost to lujan at 147....
And dude let me clear something up with you,cause its getting kinda of silly. Yeah floyd is retired, and i dont have invested in any of these guys.
So my feeling arent hurt as you seem to think. I'm simply being objective.
Let me ask you this: If floyd fought and beat mosley, cotto, berto, clottey, and margo, would he not be considered higher than he would be with his current record?
If he doesn't fight again, fine. If he does then great. But he's the one that stated time and time again that he was concerned with his legacy. And after the hatton fight he said he was taking a break until 2010, so go figure. Ive also stated that id be pulling for PBF if they (he and mosley)did fight.
I am talking about Corrales at 130, and Castillo at 135 have more power than Mosley has at 147, look at their KO% at those weights. Castillo by the time he got to Hatton had destroyed his body by making lightweight for so long, he wasn't the same fighter that fought Mayweather. Also Mayweather was smaller, he would have had smaller neck muscles, etc. People gain in their ability to take a punch as they go up in weight because their body gets bigger, they spar with bigger guys who hit harder.
Obviously beating Cotto, Mosley, Pacquiao, Berto(if he beats some big name guys) would help Mayweather's legacy, but he doesn't want to do it unless its a big enough fight, he wants to have the big fights, but he wants the big money to do so, and he got it against Oscar and Ricky, and he would get it against Manny or Cotto, or Berto in a year or two. But from the 24/7's it looks like Mayweather training as hard as he does has taken its toll on his body. It also seems like the spot light was a big burden on him especially when he was hated to the degree he was on his tours. Even though he likes the attention I think that much attention stressed him out or seemed to, and that is likely why he took so much time off, and why he only wants big fights that will not only make him a ton of money, but also improve his legacy like fighting the Pacquiao-Hatton winner, or possibly the winner of Mosley-Cotto if they fight.
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Re: floyd turns down Mosley....
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Taeth
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Castillo, Corrales are not just more offensive fighters than Mosley, they possess the same p4p power he does at WW if not a lot more. Oscar hits harder than Mosley, he's quick, he's a better boxer(watch their second fight).
is this comment based off your assumption? Clearly not fact.
Because corrales was soundely beaten by clottey who walked through his shots all night.
And castlllo couldn't move hatton at 140 and lost to lujan at 147....
And dude let me clear something up with you,cause its getting kinda of silly. Yeah floyd is retired, and i dont have invested in any of these guys.
So my feeling arent hurt as you seem to think. I'm simply being objective.
Let me ask you this: If floyd fought and beat mosley, cotto, berto, clottey, and margo, would he not be considered higher than he would be with his current record?
If he doesn't fight again, fine. If he does then great. But he's the one that stated time and time again that he was concerned with his legacy. And after the hatton fight he said he was taking a break until 2010, so go figure. Ive also stated that id be pulling for PBF if they (he and mosley)did fight.
I am talking about Corrales at 130, and Castillo at 135 have more power than Mosley has at 147, look at their KO% at those weights. Castillo by the time he got to Hatton had destroyed his body by making lightweight for so long, he wasn't the same fighter that fought Mayweather. Also Mayweather was smaller, he would have had smaller neck muscles, etc. People gain in their ability to take a punch as they go up in weight because their body gets bigger, they spar with bigger guys who hit harder.
Obviously beating Cotto, Mosley, Pacquiao, Berto(if he beats some big name guys) would help Mayweather's legacy, but he doesn't want to do it unless its a big enough fight, he wants to have the big fights, but he wants the big money to do so, and he got it against Oscar and Ricky, and he would get it against Manny or Cotto, or Berto in a year or two. But from the 24/7's it looks like Mayweather training as hard as he does has taken its toll on his body. It also seems like the spot light was a big burden on him especially when he was hated to the degree he was on his tours. Even though he likes the attention I think that much attention stressed him out or seemed to, and that is likely why he took so much time off, and why he only wants big fights that will not only make him a ton of money, but also improve his legacy like fighting the Pacquiao-Hatton winner, or possibly the winner of Mosley-Cotto if they fight.
so you believe a fight with pac would better for PBF's legacy than a fight with Mosley?
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Re: floyd turns down Mosley....
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Did this happen when Lewis left on top? Calling him a coward for ducking when he was really smart and just left while on top?
guy please, lennox fought everybody there was to fight. every challenger they threw at him. He was smart in seeing that Vitaly was probably capable of beating him, so after he got W for cutting Vitaly he retired. Smart.
He was either smart for not giving him an immediate rematch that the fans would pay to see or he was a coward for quickly avoiding him and calling it quits.
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Re: floyd turns down Mosley....
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JonesJrMayweather
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Taeth
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JonesJrMayweather
is this comment based off your assumption? Clearly not fact.
Because corrales was soundely beaten by clottey who walked through his shots all night.
And castlllo couldn't move hatton at 140 and lost to lujan at 147....
And dude let me clear something up with you,cause its getting kinda of silly. Yeah floyd is retired, and i dont have invested in any of these guys.
So my feeling arent hurt as you seem to think. I'm simply being objective.
Let me ask you this: If floyd fought and beat mosley, cotto, berto, clottey, and margo, would he not be considered higher than he would be with his current record?
If he doesn't fight again, fine. If he does then great. But he's the one that stated time and time again that he was concerned with his legacy. And after the hatton fight he said he was taking a break until 2010, so go figure. Ive also stated that id be pulling for PBF if they (he and mosley)did fight.
I am talking about Corrales at 130, and Castillo at 135 have more power than Mosley has at 147, look at their KO% at those weights. Castillo by the time he got to Hatton had destroyed his body by making lightweight for so long, he wasn't the same fighter that fought Mayweather. Also Mayweather was smaller, he would have had smaller neck muscles, etc. People gain in their ability to take a punch as they go up in weight because their body gets bigger, they spar with bigger guys who hit harder.
Obviously beating Cotto, Mosley, Pacquiao, Berto(if he beats some big name guys) would help Mayweather's legacy, but he doesn't want to do it unless its a big enough fight, he wants to have the big fights, but he wants the big money to do so, and he got it against Oscar and Ricky, and he would get it against Manny or Cotto, or Berto in a year or two. But from the 24/7's it looks like Mayweather training as hard as he does has taken its toll on his body. It also seems like the spot light was a big burden on him especially when he was hated to the degree he was on his tours. Even though he likes the attention I think that much attention stressed him out or seemed to, and that is likely why he took so much time off, and why he only wants big fights that will not only make him a ton of money, but also improve his legacy like fighting the Pacquiao-Hatton winner, or possibly the winner of Mosley-Cotto if they fight.
so you believe a fight with pac would better for PBF's legacy than a fight with Mosley?
it could be. Shane is clearly the tougher opponent but Pac is #1p4p and has been climbing up the weight classes and if he kos hatton then he would have kod Floyds last 2 fighters he beat.
Well he did ko hatton. If floyd comes back it wont be until next year cause he even said it himself so if Mosley doesnt lose to Cotto in the rematch if they have one then i would say fight Pac if he beats Hatton.
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JonesJrMayweather
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Taeth
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those people were insanely hoping thats what would happen...none of those guys possess the package mosley does. he's all of them combined. 50/50 SSM vs PBF with the tide rolling to shane.
Castillo, Corrales are not just more offensive fighters than Mosley, they
possess the same p4p power he does at WW if not a lot more. Oscar hits harder than Mosley, he's quick, he's a better boxer(watch their second fight).
is this comment based off your assumption? Clearly not fact.
Because corrales was soundely beaten by clottey who walked through his shots all night.
And castlllo couldn't move hatton at 140 and lost to lujan at 147....
And dude let me clear something up with you,cause its getting kinda of silly. Yeah floyd is retired, and i dont have invested in any of these guys.
So my feeling arent hurt as you seem to think.
I'm simply being objective.
Let me ask you this: If floyd fought and beat mosley, cotto, berto, clottey, and margo, would he not be considered higher than he would be with his current record?
If he doesn't fight again, fine. If he does then great. But he's the one that stated time and time again that he was concerned with his legacy. And after the hatton fight he said he was taking a break until 2010, so go figure. Ive also stated that id be pulling for PBF if they (he and mosley)did fight.
HAHA OBJECTIVE?! I think you mean, SUBJECTIVE. Objective would say that he is retired and that he is out of the picture. That is not what you're saying. You're saying he is avoiding fighters, specifically Mosley.. nice try though.
I REALLY can't believe that you're back posting on this topic after you got laughed at time and time again the last time you talked about Floyd.
Thing is that in boxing you have to be subjective. There are no facts, and all you can do is look at the past and ATTEMPT to speculate. Again, there are no facts. You're trying to make castillo/corrales' power out to be nothing special by looking at one or two of their past fights and not their career in general. In that case, did Mosley KO De La Hoya? I don't think he did. But i think Manny Pacquiao did. So using your logic, Mosley must not have the power you're trying to talk him up to having.
idiot.
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dude give the guy a fucking break, i'm not even a Mayweather fan and yet i'm sick of all this thrashing, hell like someone else mentioned he hasn't said he's interested in fighting anyone, and hell for most of you nothing he does will be enough, he can come back beat Cotto, Mosley, and then Pacquiao, retire again and then some of you will still be bitching that he didn't fight Berto or Williams, get off the dudes back already
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Floyd = chicken. Bottom line.
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Calzaghe = chicken. Bottom line.
completely agree with you on that one ;D;D;D
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JonesJrMayweather
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Taeth
Castillo, Corrales are not just more offensive fighters than Mosley, they possess the same p4p power he does at WW if not a lot more. Oscar hits harder than Mosley, he's quick, he's a better boxer(watch their second fight).
is this comment based off your assumption? Clearly not fact.
Because corrales was soundely beaten by clottey who walked through his shots all night.
And castlllo couldn't move hatton at 140 and lost to lujan at 147....
And dude let me clear something up with you,cause its getting kinda of silly. Yeah floyd is retired, and i dont have invested in any of these guys.
So my feeling arent hurt as you seem to think.
I'm simply being objective.
Let me ask you this: If floyd fought and beat mosley, cotto, berto, clottey, and margo, would he not be considered higher than he would be with his current record?
If he doesn't fight again, fine. If he does then great. But he's the one that stated time and time again that he was concerned with his legacy. And after the hatton fight he said he was taking a break until 2010, so go figure. Ive also stated that id be pulling for PBF if they (he and mosley)did fight.
HAHA OBJECTIVE?! I think you mean, SUBJECTIVE. Objective would say that he is retired and that he is out of the picture. That is not what you're saying. You're saying he is avoiding fighters, specifically Mosley.. nice try though.
I REALLY can't believe that you're back posting on this topic after you got laughed at time and time again the last time you talked about Floyd.
Thing is that in boxing you have to be subjective. There are no facts, and all you can do is look at the past and ATTEMPT to speculate. Again, there are no facts. You're trying to make castillo/corrales' power out to be nothing special by looking at one or two of their past fights and not their career in general. In that case, did Mosley KO De La Hoya? I don't think he did. But i think Manny Pacquiao did. So using your logic, Mosley must not have the power you're trying to talk him up to having.
idiot.
I don't have to talk up mosley's power..if you can't see it then you're blind or in denial.
32-0 30 kos at lightweight, moved up and stopped vargas twice, mayorga, and margarito. all naturally bigger and heavier guys. And he hurt winky, only winky's clinging on kept him from going down.
The stoppage of margarito says enough about Shane's power. not to mention he has a higher career KO percentage than castillo, corrales, and pacman, which means he has more stopping power, thats a fact.... And i dont care about a couple of fanboys dismissing the point that shane would be floyd's toughest opponent. It's weird because fanboys find that statement to be absurd because "floyd is the best ever and he soundly beats 'em all and he's light years ahead of everybody", so it's no point. Because any objective outlook on a floyd fight translates to: "YOU'RE JUST A HATER, MAN FLOYD'S THE BEST AND WE WHOLE HEARTEDLY DISAGREE WITH ANYONE WHO DOESN"T THINK SO"
There were a collection of guys on here that also said hatton would beat floyd. Where I picked floyd in round ten. Another group also laughed when I kept saying floyd would tear margarito up like he did corrales, while the fight didnt happen it should be more visible after seeing what mosley did to him. FLoyd wouldn't stop him though.
And so fucking what he;s retired, how many theoretical fights have been discussed on this fourm? Countless..I remember I started thread about PACMAN v HAMED and it had over 1000 replies...so whatever with the don't talk him he's retired bullshit. Because corrales is dead and no one is saying man stop saying "corrales this or corrales that"
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RP33
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JonesJrMayweather
is this comment based off your assumption? Clearly not fact.
Because corrales was soundely beaten by clottey who walked through his shots all night.
And castlllo couldn't move hatton at 140 and lost to lujan at 147....
And dude let me clear something up with you,cause its getting kinda of silly. Yeah floyd is retired, and i dont have invested in any of these guys.
So my feeling arent hurt as you seem to think. I'm simply being objective.
Let me ask you this: If floyd fought and beat mosley, cotto, berto, clottey, and margo, would he not be considered higher than he would be with his current record?
If he doesn't fight again, fine. If he does then great. But he's the one that stated time and time again that he was concerned with his legacy. And after the hatton fight he said he was taking a break until 2010, so go figure. Ive also stated that id be pulling for PBF if they (he and mosley)did fight.
HAHA OBJECTIVE?! I think you mean, SUBJECTIVE. Objective would say that he is retired and that he is out of the picture. That is not what you're saying. You're saying he is avoiding fighters, specifically Mosley.. nice try though.
I REALLY can't believe that you're back posting on this topic after you got laughed at time and time again the last time you talked about Floyd.
Thing is that in boxing you have to be subjective. There are no facts, and all you can do is look at the past and ATTEMPT to speculate. Again, there are no facts. You're trying to make castillo/corrales' power out to be nothing special by looking at one or two of their past fights and not their career in general. In that case, did Mosley KO De La Hoya? I don't think he did. But i think Manny Pacquiao did. So using your logic, Mosley must not have the power you're trying to talk him up to having.
idiot.
I don't have to talk up mosley's power..if you can't see it then you're blind or in denial.
32-0 30 kos at lightweight,
moved up and stopped vargas twice, mayorga, and margarito. all naturally bigger and heavier guys. And he hurt winky, only winky's clinging on kept him from going down.
The stoppage of margarito says enough about Shane's power. not to mention he has a higher career KO percentage than castillo, corrales, and pacman, which means he has more stopping power, thats a fact.... And i dont care about a couple of fanboys dismissing the point that shane would be floyd's toughest opponent.
It's weird because fanboys find that statement to be absurd because "floyd is the best ever and he soundly beats 'em all and he's light years ahead of everybody", so it's no point. Because any objective outlook on a floyd fight translates to: "YOU'RE JUST A HATER, MAN FLOYD'S THE BEST AND WE WHOLE HEARTEDLY DISAGREE WITH ANYONE WHO DOESN"T THINK SO"
There were a collection of guys on here that also said hatton would beat floyd. Where I picked floyd in round ten. Another group also laughed when I kept saying floyd would tear margarito up like he did corrales, while the fight didnt happen it should be more visible after seeing what mosley did to him. FLoyd wouldn't stop him though.
And so fucking what he;s retired, how many theoretical fights have been discussed on this fourm? Countless..I remember I started thread about PACMAN v HAMED and it had over 1000 replies...so whatever with the don't talk him he's retired bullshit.
Because corrales is dead and no one is saying man stop saying "corrales this or corrales that"
1. True he did stop all of those guys, but they're also a group of guys with poor defensive skills, something you would expect a boxer of Mosley's calibre to take advantage of.
2. I don't see anyone saying Corrales is ducking a fighter now he's dead do you? ;)
If you want to talk about a theoretical fight between Mayweather & Mosley fine, but I think people just think you should accept that as of now PBF is retired so is not ducking anyone. Also could you deal with the point about Mosley rejecting 2 fights with Mayweather before, as a number of posters have raised it but you haven't responded to that point, at least that I've read.
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HAHA OBJECTIVE?! I think you mean, SUBJECTIVE. Objective would say that he is retired and that he is out of the picture. That is not what you're saying. You're saying he is avoiding fighters, specifically Mosley.. nice try though.
I REALLY can't believe that you're back posting on this topic after you got laughed at time and time again the last time you talked about Floyd.
Thing is that in boxing you have to be subjective. There are no facts, and all you can do is look at the past and ATTEMPT to speculate. Again, there are no facts. You're trying to make castillo/corrales' power out to be nothing special by looking at one or two of their past fights and not their career in general. In that case, did Mosley KO De La Hoya? I don't think he did. But i think Manny Pacquiao did. So using your logic, Mosley must not have the power you're trying to talk him up to having.
idiot.
I don't have to talk up mosley's power..if you can't see it then you're blind or in denial.
32-0 30 kos at lightweight,
moved up and stopped vargas twice, mayorga, and margarito. all naturally bigger and heavier guys. And he hurt winky, only winky's clinging on kept him from going down.
The stoppage of margarito says enough about Shane's power. not to mention he has a higher career KO percentage than castillo, corrales, and pacman, which means he has more stopping power, thats a fact.... And i dont care about a couple of fanboys dismissing the point that shane would be floyd's toughest opponent.
It's weird because fanboys find that statement to be absurd because "floyd is the best ever and he soundly beats 'em all and he's light years ahead of everybody", so it's no point. Because any objective outlook on a floyd fight translates to: "YOU'RE JUST A HATER, MAN FLOYD'S THE BEST AND WE WHOLE HEARTEDLY DISAGREE WITH ANYONE WHO DOESN"T THINK SO"
There were a collection of guys on here that also said hatton would beat floyd. Where I picked floyd in round ten. Another group also laughed when I kept saying floyd would tear margarito up like he did corrales, while the fight didnt happen it should be more visible after seeing what mosley did to him. FLoyd wouldn't stop him though.
And so fucking what he;s retired, how many theoretical fights have been discussed on this fourm? Countless..I remember I started thread about PACMAN v HAMED and it had over 1000 replies...so whatever with the don't talk him he's retired bullshit.
Because corrales is dead and no one is saying man stop saying "corrales this or corrales that"
1. True he did stop all of those guys, but they're also a group of guys with poor defensive skills, something you would expect a boxer of Mosley's calibre to take advantage of.
2. I don't see anyone saying Corrales is ducking a fighter now he's dead do you? ;)
If you want to talk about a theoretical fight between Mayweather & Mosley fine, but I think people just think you should accept that as of now PBF is retired so is not ducking anyone. Also could you deal with the point about Mosley rejecting 2 fights with Mayweather before, as a number of posters have raised it but you haven't responded to that point, at least that I've read.
I'm not saying he's ducking, I stand by the belief that he retired to protect his record. And as far people saying mosley ducked him, that's fine, but the last thing that happened with situation was shane asked him for a fight While he was still active, and he dismissed it to mosley looking for a payday. So....I won't officially say ducking until he comes back and fights pacman or hatton over mosley... esp if he fights Hatton. That's why i'm pulling for Hatton so then in term of legacy, mosley should be priority one for floyd. in terms of money then fight pac and stop crying about not getting full credit at the end of every fight...and say at least i made a lot of money.
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HAHA OBJECTIVE?! I think you mean, SUBJECTIVE. Objective would say that he is retired and that he is out of the picture. That is not what you're saying. You're saying he is avoiding fighters, specifically Mosley.. nice try though.
I REALLY can't believe that you're back posting on this topic after you got laughed at time and time again the last time you talked about Floyd.
Thing is that in boxing you have to be subjective. There are no facts, and all you can do is look at the past and ATTEMPT to speculate. Again, there are no facts. You're trying to make castillo/corrales' power out to be nothing special by looking at one or two of their past fights and not their career in general. In that case, did Mosley KO De La Hoya? I don't think he did. But i think Manny Pacquiao did. So using your logic, Mosley must not have the power you're trying to talk him up to having.
idiot.
I don't have to talk up mosley's power..if you can't see it then you're blind or in denial.
32-0 30 kos at lightweight,
moved up and stopped vargas twice, mayorga, and margarito. all naturally bigger and heavier guys. And he hurt winky, only winky's clinging on kept him from going down.
The stoppage of margarito says enough about Shane's power. not to mention he has a higher career KO percentage than castillo, corrales, and pacman, which means he has more stopping power, thats a fact.... And i dont care about a couple of fanboys dismissing the point that shane would be floyd's toughest opponent.
It's weird because fanboys find that statement to be absurd because "floyd is the best ever and he soundly beats 'em all and he's light years ahead of everybody", so it's no point. Because any objective outlook on a floyd fight translates to: "YOU'RE JUST A HATER, MAN FLOYD'S THE BEST AND WE WHOLE HEARTEDLY DISAGREE WITH ANYONE WHO DOESN"T THINK SO"
There were a collection of guys on here that also said hatton would beat floyd. Where I picked floyd in round ten. Another group also laughed when I kept saying floyd would tear margarito up like he did corrales, while the fight didnt happen it should be more visible after seeing what mosley did to him. FLoyd wouldn't stop him though.
And so fucking what he;s retired, how many theoretical fights have been discussed on this fourm? Countless..I remember I started thread about PACMAN v HAMED and it had over 1000 replies...so whatever with the don't talk him he's retired bullshit.
Because corrales is dead and no one is saying man stop saying "corrales this or corrales that"
1. True he did stop all of those guys,
but they're also a group of guys with poor defensive skills, something you would expect a boxer of Mosley's calibre to take advantage of.
2. I don't see anyone saying Corrales is ducking a fighter now he's dead do you? ;)
If you want to talk about a theoretical fight between Mayweather & Mosley fine, but I think people just think you should accept that as of now PBF is retired so is not ducking anyone. Also could you deal with the point about Mosley rejecting 2 fights with Mayweather before, as a number of posters have raised it but you haven't responded to that point, at least that I've read.
same with floyd...i.e baldomir and corely two guys that he hit at will and couldn't stop. but that's just being subjective and defending mosley.
Objectively i'd say baldoblaster has one of the toughest chins, hardest heads in the game, and floyd does have brittle hands so why risk injury when he could win the fight with pot shots. chop is just a tough contender.
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PBF will fight again if he runs out of $.
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For all of his incredible skills, Floyd is ultimately an attention whore. A fighter who is concerned about money first, legacy/challenges second. Unfortunately not all fighters consistently seek the best fighters and fights available. Not all fighters are going to have the mentality and courage of greats like Morales, Barrera, Pac, Mosley, etc. Floyd is going to milk this retirement business for all he can. But with his lust for attention and $$$...he will certainly come back. I just hope he looks for the great fights instead of the "event" fights...but that's highly doubtful.
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is this comment based off your assumption? Clearly not fact.
Because corrales was soundely beaten by clottey who walked through his shots all night.
And castlllo couldn't move hatton at 140 and lost to lujan at 147....
And dude let me clear something up with you,cause its getting kinda of silly. Yeah floyd is retired, and i dont have invested in any of these guys.
So my feeling arent hurt as you seem to think. I'm simply being objective.
Let me ask you this: If floyd fought and beat mosley, cotto, berto, clottey, and margo, would he not be considered higher than he would be with his current record?
If he doesn't fight again, fine. If he does then great. But he's the one that stated time and time again that he was concerned with his legacy. And after the hatton fight he said he was taking a break until 2010, so go figure. Ive also stated that id be pulling for PBF if they (he and mosley)did fight.
HAHA OBJECTIVE?! I think you mean, SUBJECTIVE. Objective would say that he is retired and that he is out of the picture. That is not what you're saying. You're saying he is avoiding fighters, specifically Mosley.. nice try though.
I REALLY can't believe that you're back posting on this topic after you got laughed at time and time again the last time you talked about Floyd.
Thing is that in boxing you have to be subjective. There are no facts, and all you can do is look at the past and ATTEMPT to speculate. Again, there are no facts. You're trying to make castillo/corrales' power out to be nothing special by looking at one or two of their past fights and not their career in general. In that case, did Mosley KO De La Hoya? I don't think he did. But i think Manny Pacquiao did. So using your logic, Mosley must not have the power you're trying to talk him up to having.
idiot.
I don't have to talk up mosley's power..if you can't see it then you're blind or in denial.
32-0 30 kos at lightweight, moved up and stopped vargas twice, mayorga, and margarito. all naturally bigger and heavier guys. And he hurt winky, only winky's clinging on kept him from going down.
The stoppage of margarito says enough about Shane's power. not to mention he has a higher career KO percentage than castillo, corrales, and pacman, which means he has more stopping power, thats a fact.... And i dont care about a couple of fanboys dismissing the point that shane would be floyd's toughest opponent.
It's weird because fanboys find that statement to be absurd because "floyd is the best ever and he soundly beats 'em all and he's light years ahead of everybody", so it's no point. Because any objective outlook on a floyd fight translates to: "YOU'RE JUST A HATER, MAN FLOYD'S THE BEST AND WE WHOLE HEARTEDLY DISAGREE WITH ANYONE WHO DOESN"T THINK SO"
There were a collection of guys on here that also said hatton would beat floyd. Where I picked floyd in round ten. Another group also laughed when I kept saying floyd would tear margarito up like he did corrales, while the fight didnt happen it should be more visible after seeing what mosley did to him. FLoyd wouldn't stop him though.
And so fucking what he;s retired, how many theoretical fights have been discussed on this fourm? Countless..I remember I started thread about PACMAN v HAMED and it had over 1000 replies...so whatever with the don't talk him he's retired bullshit. Because corrales is dead and no one is saying man stop saying "corrales this or corrales that"
Who did Mosley fight at lightweight? Holiday?
IN the first Vargas fight, the only thing he was doing to Vargas was swelling up his eye, and thats what stopped the fight, Vargas was walking right through his punches, in the second fight Vargas was so badly weightdrained a breeze could have blown him over.
Against Mayorga it took him 12 rounds before the KO came. The reason why MayweatherJonesJr is an idiot is that Mosley KO's came against guys who sucked at LW, he was really good, but they weren't. Also he hasn't ko'ed a valid opponent in his career since moving up. De La Hoya, Collazo, Wright, Forrest, even Miguel Cotto. He stunned Cotto once or twice, but never really hurt him at all, people use Cotto slipping on a wetspot late as evidence of him being hurt, but fail to recognize Mosley actually slipped and fell in the same spot while no punches were being landed on him.
Mosley is a solid puncher no doubt, but he isn't a huge puncher above lightweight.
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HAHA OBJECTIVE?! I think you mean, SUBJECTIVE. Objective would say that he is retired and that he is out of the picture. That is not what you're saying. You're saying he is avoiding fighters, specifically Mosley.. nice try though.
I REALLY can't believe that you're back posting on this topic after you got laughed at time and time again the last time you talked about Floyd.
Thing is that in boxing you have to be subjective. There are no facts, and all you can do is look at the past and ATTEMPT to speculate. Again, there are no facts. You're trying to make castillo/corrales' power out to be nothing special by looking at one or two of their past fights and not their career in general. In that case, did Mosley KO De La Hoya? I don't think he did. But i think Manny Pacquiao did. So using your logic, Mosley must not have the power you're trying to talk him up to having.
idiot.
I don't have to talk up mosley's power..if you can't see it then you're blind or in denial.
32-0 30 kos at lightweight, moved up and stopped vargas twice, mayorga, and margarito. all naturally bigger and heavier guys. And he hurt winky, only winky's clinging on kept him from going down.
The stoppage of margarito says enough about Shane's power. not to mention he has a higher career KO percentage than castillo, corrales, and pacman, which means he has more stopping power, thats a fact.... And i dont care about a couple of fanboys dismissing the point that shane would be floyd's toughest opponent.
It's weird because fanboys find that statement to be absurd because "floyd is the best ever and he soundly beats 'em all and he's light years ahead of everybody", so it's no point. Because any objective outlook on a floyd fight translates to: "YOU'RE JUST A HATER, MAN FLOYD'S THE BEST AND WE WHOLE HEARTEDLY DISAGREE WITH ANYONE WHO DOESN"T THINK SO"
There were a collection of guys on here that also said hatton would beat floyd. Where I picked floyd in round ten. Another group also laughed when I kept saying floyd would tear margarito up like he did corrales, while the fight didnt happen it should be more visible after seeing what mosley did to him. FLoyd wouldn't stop him though.
And so fucking what he;s retired, how many theoretical fights have been discussed on this fourm? Countless..I remember I started thread about PACMAN v HAMED and it had over 1000 replies...so whatever with the don't talk him he's retired bullshit. Because corrales is dead and no one is saying man stop saying "corrales this or corrales that"
Who did Mosley fight at lightweight? Holiday?
IN the first Vargas fight, the only thing he was doing to Vargas was swelling up his eye, and thats what stopped the fight, Vargas was walking right through his punches, in the second fight Vargas was so badly weightdrained a breeze could have blown him over.
Against Mayorga it took him 12 rounds before the KO came. The reason why MayweatherJonesJr is an idiot is that Mosley KO's came against guys who sucked at LW, he was really good, but they weren't.
Also he hasn't ko'ed a valid opponent in his career since moving up. De La Hoya, Collazo, Wright, Forrest, even Miguel Cotto. He stunned Cotto once or twice, but never really hurt him at all, people use Cotto slipping on a wetspot late as evidence of him being hurt, but fail to recognize Mosley actually slipped and fell in the same spot while no punches were being landed on him.
Mosley is a solid puncher no doubt, but he isn't a huge puncher above lightweight.
thats weird because you claimed that delahoya punches harder than mosley and was a bigger threat than shane...yet they've kayoed the same people since moving up to 147 even 154...
take away the victories over the ruined vargas and mayorga...and shane still has the stoppage over margarito, which trumps any stoppage delahoya would have....and you sound stupid when you say "ALL HE WAS DOING WAS SWELLiNG UP HIS EYE", what!?!?!?!?!?!? That like moralles after the Rahem fight saying "he just kept hitting me and moving away"
damn you really are slow....and its funny that you're all of sudden super gung ho floyd when you thought hatton would give him problems....where I told you that fight would be easy and floyd would stop him easily. Like I said before you really dont like mosley...when I prove that he punches harder i.e. his kayo percentage you respond with he didn't stop a valid opponent...just like floyd will be in canasota as will mosley and it won't be because he didn't stop anybody...
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First of all Mayweather-Hatton wasn't easy for Mayweather, he was pressed against the ropes all night, but his defensive was just too tight, and Joe Cortez didn't let Hatton fight on the inside.
Oscar and Mosley have ko'ed a lot of the same guys but lets compare how they did it.
Lets go back to Jesse James Leija. Oscar ko'ed him in 2, it took Mosley 9 rounds. Wilfredo Rivera it took Oscar 8 rounds(where he won virtually ever round), it took Mosley 10 rounds(one person even had it just a round apart. Oscar KO'ed Vargas in 11, but this was Vargas in or near his prime, Mosley fought him 4 years later. The first fight Mosley stopped Vargas, but like I said Vargas wasn't being hurt by anything MOsley threw and was walking through it. Your example of Morales against Raheem is idiotic. How the fuck did you draw a comparison out of the two fights? I am stating that Mosley's power wasn't bothering Vargas, while you are trying to find some relation between me talking about punching power and someone being outboxed. The next fight MOsley did stop Vargas in 6, but he was badly weight drained. Lets compare Mayorga against both, Oscar stopped him in 6, he dropped him with a left hook in the first round, outboxed him with that jab every round. Mosley fought an ugly battle, and literally knocked Mayorga out in the last second of the last round.
Oscar was the first guy to stop JCC and did it twice(though once was a cut). JCC was ten times the fighter even at the end of his career that Margarito ever was, and ever will be.
Basically Mosley is KO'ing the same guys Oscar was, but after Oscar already did it, in a less impressive form. THere could be an arguement that Trinidad did it before either of them more impressively than either of them.
Back to my original conclusion Ricardo Torres, Demarcus Corley, and Margarito all either badly hurt Cotto or stopped him, while Mosley couldn't. The first is a hard puncher, but a natural 140 pounder, the second is hardly a puncher at all, and the last isn't a big puncher either.
Right now I am not argueing whether Mayweather beats Mosley or not, just that people would have to be retarded to think Mosley stops him. There is no evidence to back this up.
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Exactly the reason why floyd will never get the respect he thinks he deserves. Every time he has a live challenge he turns it down and goes for a vulnerable option. Coward is probably my best description of him.
He wants Pac and doesn't want Mosley. Go figure. Mosley right now is in a great position that has opened up many options and has put any fighter willing to fight him in position to make more money. floyd has no excuse besides the fact the he's just no willing to risk losing his "0".
Hey Bx , he just don't like competitive opponents , don't misunderstand me , i don't mean that Pac isn't a competitive fighter i really like him as a real boxer and the best P4P , but Floy never liked to face any good WW since he retired........................... ;)
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First of all Mayweather-Hatton wasn't easy for Mayweather, he was pressed against the ropes all night, but his defensive was just too tight, and Joe Cortez didn't let Hatton fight on the inside.
Oscar and Mosley have ko'ed a lot of the same guys but lets compare how they did it.
Lets go back to Jesse James Leija. Oscar ko'ed him in 2, it took Mosley 9 rounds. Wilfredo Rivera it took Oscar 8 rounds(where he won virtually ever round), it took Mosley 10 rounds(one person even had it just a round apart. Oscar KO'ed Vargas in 11, but this was Vargas in or near his prime, Mosley fought him 4 years later. The first fight Mosley stopped Vargas, but like I said Vargas wasn't being hurt by anything MOsley through and was walking through it. Your example of Morales against Raheem is idiotic. How the fuck did you draw a comparison out of the two fights? I am stating that Mosley's power wasn't bothering Vargas, while you are trying to find some relation between me talking about punching power and someone being outboxed. The next fight MOsley did stop Vargas in 6, but he was badly weight drained. Lets compare Mayorga against both, Oscar stopped him in 6, he dropped him with a left hook in the first round, outboxed him with that jab every round. Mosley fought an ugly battle, and literally knocked Mayorga out in the last second of the last round.
Oscar was the first guy to stop JCC and did it twice(though once was a cut). JCC was ten times the fighter even at the end of his career that Margarito ever was, and ever will be.
Basically Mosley is KO'ing the same guys Oscar was, but after Oscar already did it, in a less impressive form. THere could be an arguement that Trinidad did it before either of them more impressively than either of them.
Back to my original conclusion Ricardo Torres, Demarcus Corley, and Margarito all either badly hurt Cotto or stopped him, while Mosley couldn't. The first is a hard puncher, but a natural 140 pounder, the second is hardly a puncher at all, and the last isn't a big puncher either.
Right now I am not argueing whether Mayweather beast Mosley or not, just that people would have to be retarded to think Mosley stops him. There is no evidence to back this up.
Who said he was going to stop him? Even if someone did ,its far more plausible for shane to stop him than it is for him to stop shane...and who hurt cotto argument is silly because john ruiz knocked holyfield down...does this mean ruiz hits harder than Tyson and Lewis?
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I'm not arguing who beats who, but whether Mosley will beat Mayweather up, and I am saying he wouldn't Mayweather is too good defensively and he would tie Mosley up the same way SHane tied up Margarito.
Mosley-Mayweather is definitely a competitive fight, I just think their styles match up in Mayweather's favor.
MayweatherJonesJR after the Oscar fight for awhile I did see the MOsley-Mayweather fight going the same way you did. I even made a thread about if Oscar could make Mayweather defensive in their fight then the faster Mosley would take Floyd to the ropes and not allow Floyd to get anything off, but then I watched the fight more, and Oscar wasn't able to land anything effective. His jab wasn't working, and he landed clean shots only a handful of times against Mayweather. Also the guy who had been most effective against Floyd fought more like Cotto, and thats why I think Miguel is a more difficult guy for MAyweather, because his body is the easiest place to hit Floyd, and Shane is a good body puncher, but not a punishing one like Cotto is.
As for Mayweather stopping MOsley who said that he would? I never did. Floyd would break both his hands long before he would even hurt Shane.
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honestly Floyd could comeback next month and he would pick up right where he left off, he'd beat all of the following with little to no problem...
Berto
Collazo
Cintron
Margarito
Hatton (again)
Clottey
Judah (again)
Quintana
only ones to me that would actually challenge him and i still think he'd win cause of his stamina, skill, and defense are...
Cotto
Mosley
Williams
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i can no longer defend the guy in terms of where he stands in the all time ranks. whether he's retired or chooses to come back and fight. as it stands he not an all time great. He's on the same page as calzaghe IMO. Good fighters with great numerical numbers.
I agree with that. Id say where ever they stand on the ATG rankings, they should be close...and neither too close to the top ;)
Me too.
Both great fighters with huge skills, maybe the best, but both left a few unanswered questions by treading too carefully when the time was ripe to go for it.
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is this comment based off your assumption? Clearly not fact.
Because corrales was soundely beaten by clottey who walked through his shots all night.
And castlllo couldn't move hatton at 140 and lost to lujan at 147....
And dude let me clear something up with you,cause its getting kinda of silly. Yeah floyd is retired, and i dont have invested in any of these guys.
So my feeling arent hurt as you seem to think. I'm simply being objective.
Let me ask you this: If floyd fought and beat mosley, cotto, berto, clottey, and margo, would he not be considered higher than he would be with his current record?
If he doesn't fight again, fine. If he does then great. But he's the one that stated time and time again that he was concerned with his legacy. And after the hatton fight he said he was taking a break until 2010, so go figure. Ive also stated that id be pulling for PBF if they (he and mosley)did fight.
HAHA OBJECTIVE?! I think you mean, SUBJECTIVE. Objective would say that he is retired and that he is out of the picture. That is not what you're saying. You're saying he is avoiding fighters, specifically Mosley.. nice try though.
I REALLY can't believe that you're back posting on this topic after you got laughed at time and time again the last time you talked about Floyd.
Thing is that in boxing you have to be subjective. There are no facts, and all you can do is look at the past and ATTEMPT to speculate. Again, there are no facts. You're trying to make castillo/corrales' power out to be nothing special by looking at one or two of their past fights and not their career in general. In that case, did Mosley KO De La Hoya? I don't think he did. But i think Manny Pacquiao did. So using your logic, Mosley must not have the power you're trying to talk him up to having.
idiot.
I don't have to talk up mosley's power..if you can't see it then you're blind or in denial.
32-0 30 kos at lightweight, moved up and stopped vargas twice, mayorga, and margarito. all naturally bigger and heavier guys. And he hurt winky, only winky's clinging on kept him from going down.
The stoppage of margarito says enough about Shane's power. not to mention he has a higher career KO percentage than castillo, corrales, and pacman, which means he has more stopping power, thats a fact.... And i dont care about a couple of fanboys dismissing the point that shane would be floyd's toughest opponent.
It's weird because fanboys find that statement to be absurd because "floyd is the best ever and he soundly beats 'em all and he's light years ahead of everybody", so it's no point. Because any objective outlook on a floyd fight translates to: "YOU'RE JUST A HATER, MAN FLOYD'S THE BEST AND WE WHOLE HEARTEDLY DISAGREE WITH ANYONE WHO DOESN"T THINK SO"
There were a collection of guys on here that also said hatton would beat floyd. Where I picked floyd in round ten. Another group also laughed when I kept saying floyd would tear margarito up like he did corrales, while the fight didnt happen it should be more visible after seeing what mosley did to him. FLoyd wouldn't stop him though.
And so fucking what he;s retired, how many theoretical fights have been discussed on this fourm? Countless..I remember I started thread about PACMAN v HAMED and it had over 1000 replies...so whatever with the don't talk him he's retired bullshit. Because corrales is dead and no one is saying man stop saying "corrales this or corrales that"
You really are an idiot. Where in my post did i try to talk down Mosley's power? I said using YOUR logic, which is comparing fighters by who they could/couldn't knock out in their past, that Mosley isn't as powerful as Pac-man considering Pac knocked out ODLH and Mosley didn't.
I think Mosley/Floyd would be a great fight, but just like you, i have an opinion on the outcome, and that would be that PBF takes it. I can accept someone differing from my opinion QUITE fine.. But when you come here and try to say things are facts because in the past this guy couldn't KO someone is ridiculous, and thats when i get irritated to the point where i have to post..
Styles make fights. To say that Castillo doesn't have power because of the Hatton fight is real amateurish of you. Along with most of your other comments.
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RP33
HAHA OBJECTIVE?! I think you mean, SUBJECTIVE. Objective would say that he is retired and that he is out of the picture. That is not what you're saying. You're saying he is avoiding fighters, specifically Mosley.. nice try though.
I REALLY can't believe that you're back posting on this topic after you got laughed at time and time again the last time you talked about Floyd.
Thing is that in boxing you have to be subjective. There are no facts, and all you can do is look at the past and ATTEMPT to speculate. Again, there are no facts. You're trying to make castillo/corrales' power out to be nothing special by looking at one or two of their past fights and not their career in general. In that case, did Mosley KO De La Hoya? I don't think he did. But i think Manny Pacquiao did. So using your logic, Mosley must not have the power you're trying to talk him up to having.
idiot.
I don't have to talk up mosley's power..if you can't see it then you're blind or in denial.
32-0 30 kos at lightweight, moved up and stopped vargas twice, mayorga, and margarito. all naturally bigger and heavier guys. And he hurt winky, only winky's clinging on kept him from going down.
The stoppage of margarito says enough about Shane's power. not to mention he has a higher career KO percentage than castillo, corrales, and pacman, which means he has more stopping power, thats a fact.... And i dont care about a couple of fanboys dismissing the point that shane would be floyd's toughest opponent.
It's weird because fanboys find that statement to be absurd because "floyd is the best ever and he soundly beats 'em all and he's light years ahead of everybody", so it's no point. Because any objective outlook on a floyd fight translates to: "YOU'RE JUST A HATER, MAN FLOYD'S THE BEST AND WE WHOLE HEARTEDLY DISAGREE WITH ANYONE WHO DOESN"T THINK SO"
There were a collection of guys on here that also said hatton would beat floyd. Where I picked floyd in round ten. Another group also laughed when I kept saying floyd would tear margarito up like he did corrales, while the fight didnt happen it should be more visible after seeing what mosley did to him. FLoyd wouldn't stop him though.
And so fucking what he;s retired, how many theoretical fights have been discussed on this fourm? Countless..I remember I started thread about PACMAN v HAMED and it had over 1000 replies...so whatever with the don't talk him he's retired bullshit. Because corrales is dead and no one is saying man stop saying "corrales this or corrales that"
You really are an idiot. Where in my post did i try to talk down Mosley's power? I said using YOUR logic, which is comparing fighters by who they could/couldn't knock out in their past, that Mosley isn't as powerful as Pac-man considering Pac knocked out ODLH and Mosley didn't.
I think Mosley/Floyd would be a great fight, but just like you, i have an opinion on the outcome, and that would be that PBF takes it. I can accept someone differing from my opinion QUITE fine.. But when you come here and try to say things are facts because in the past this guy couldn't KO someone is ridiculous, and thats when i get irritated to the point where i have to post..
Styles make fights. To say that Castillo doesn't have power because of the Hatton fight is real amateurish of you. Along with most of your other comments.
those comments about mosley's power weren't directed at you. they were toward taeth who claimed castillo and corrales are p4p bigger punchers than shane...which is clearly false. I honestly hadn't paid attention what you were saying any how. I think perhaps i quoted you by accident. Where you can clearly read that it was Taeth that claimed the p4p power comment..so that was a mistake on my part. And you can also further read that I make the point of how silly it is to determine who hits harder based off how they faired against the same opponent. By stating that just because ruiz scored a knockdown on holyfield doesn't mean he hits harder lewis and tyson who couldn't.
And I never said castillo didnt have power..i said he doesn't have as much p4p power as shane....to me p4p power means he carries it up to the next weight which shane has clearly done more effectively than both corrales and castillo. Based off the fights they've had at the higher weights.
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I didn't say Castillo and Corrales are p4p bigger punchers than Mosely in general, I said Castillo at 135 at that time, and Corrales 130 are bigger punchers than mosley is at 147, please actually read what I am writting. Obviously neither of them are bigger punchers than Mosley was at 135. P4P power means that at the time Castillo was fighting Maweather he hit harder as a lightweight htan Mosley did at 147, also in comparison to how much better Mayweather would be able to take a punch at 147.
If you are comparing two fighters facing one opponent obviously you can't always compare who hits harder, but when you have like 6 or 7 fights where both guys fought the same guy, but one consistently fought the people first, closer to their prime, and stopped them quicker, then obviously he hits harder. Anyone who tries to deny Oscar hit harder than Mosley is an idiot because he doesn't, he's smaller and he doesn't have that same explosive power.
The biggest reason I think Mosley loses to Mayweather is that he would come out, look pretty good, but then Mayweather would adapt and Mosley is terrible at adapting you saw it against Forrest, and against Winky Wright, and against Oscar in their second fight. He can't change his strategy half way through a fight, and be effective. He tried to against Cotto, and it didn't work as well.
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I think this would be a fun fight. Floyd is the younger and more skilled fighter, but Shane has tremendous heart and seems to have gotten a second wind. I am curious how the inactivity will effect Floyd...he has not fought in quite some time...so if he does come back and takes on a fighter of Shane's caliber...he needs to be his usual sharp self.
