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Oh excuse me I forgot that bureaucracy cures all ills and soon it will be doing exactly that with Universal Healthcare....I LOVE going to Court, I LOVE going to the Post Office, I LOVE going to the DMV, I LOVE going to the IRS, and soon thanks to Obama and co. I can get the same attitude while I am sick and in dire need of medical attention.
That's exactly what Carter did. He did a deal with the Saudis and over the next few years the Saudis ramped up oil production, flooding the world market and causing the oil price to drop to a few dollars a barrel. This meant that interest rates could be dropped without inflation picking up again and also had the benefit of taking away huge quantities of hard currency from the Soviet Union, something that Gorbachov said was the main thing that allowed him to overrule the rest of the Politburo and start glasnost, which led to the end of the Cold War. Carter just wasn't around to reap the benefits of his earlier work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
What do you want me to say about Glenn Beck? I really don't care about the guy, I don't watch Fox News.....I watch The Simpsons on FOX but I don't watch Fox News at all....I couldn't even tell you what # channel it is. I do enjoy watching MSNBC though (channel 59 here) because the doe eyed adoration that people like Olberman and Chris Matthews have for Obama is comical....Kirkland, do you get a tingly feeling up your leg when Obama speaks?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
A strong response would have been for the President to get off his ass and do something...diplomacy anyone??? Make a deal or make a move for fucks sake don't just sit back and tell Americans that wearing a fucking sweater and turning the thermostat down is going to help things out that was grossly negligent and incompotent on the part of Jimmy Carter
I Love having my medical attention denied by health care tycoons,.I just adore paying a fortune for health insurance that really isnt health insurance but bargaining power,I love having my water poisoned,and my air,and my foodQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I love having no recompense to sue for recompense.
You got your way for 8 years now Lyle,its your bed,you lie in it
Trainer if that's the way you see it then fine....but don't sit there and expect me to accept everything O-ba-ma does with open arms, I'm going to question everything he and his liberal buddies do
Obama has his question marks no doubt. I've been less than impressed with what he has said so far on Israel/Palestine for instance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
But in terms of dealing with the economy there is no doubt that change is neccessary and a big rethink is in order. Bush allowed this situation to slide by and didn't batter an eyelid. At least Obama is getting out there and attempting to rectify things. You had better hope Obama pulls you through 'coz things really don't look too peachy looking at America from afar. It's sink or swim time. God knows what another Republican administration would have led too. It doesn't bear thinking about.
You keep thinking your using the word liberal like it was a weapon Lyle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Obama isnt liberal
Hell, Eisenhower was more liberal then Obama is
All Obama is doing right now is cleaning up the mess,that he inherited
How was Ike more liberal than Obama???? Sure income taxes during his time were higher but other than that I don't think he did much that you can consider liberal.
Yeah I don't quite get that one, Ike at least considered himself a fiscal conservative and at that time Republicans were more about that, now they just spend and spend and spend and then are hypocritical enough to complain about it when they lose the Presidency. I just can't miss an opportunity to shit on them, nice fake tan Boehner.
But in what area was he more liberal? Foreign policy? I don't see how honestly. Domestic policy? He clearly was no proponent of civil rights.
Pushed civil rights,high top rate taxes,was against high military spending,numerous public works projects(they do call it the Eisenhower Highway System for a reason)compared to Obama he was practically a CommieQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Pushing civil rights doesn't make someone liberal, neither does making the highway system.
Sure Ike taxed people but he believed a free market should run itself UNLIKE a true liberal.
I'm sick to death of people touting the Democrats' record of race relations....Trainer, Robert C. Byrd (DEMOCRAT) is the Senior Senator of West Virginia and he was in the Ku Klux Klan and it's not like that's the one bad apple of the Democrat Party.....they have had a HISTORY of racists
Edward L. Jackson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Except Byrd apologized
You walked right in to that one Lyle
There are a larger group that didn't appologize and since you've tried to dig through history instead of just bringing up David Duke.
Bull Connor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
George Wallace - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Orval Faubus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That's just the All-Star selection of racist Democrats....would Barack Obama have voted for any of those dudes???
While more times than not I completely disagree with Lyle, I think it's very important to question the government and I commend him for doing so.
I disagree that political activist is an exclusive liberal term however, Bin Laden is very conservative yet he is a political activist, most state militia's could be considered political activists and they are also conservative. Indeed further, lobbyists define political activism, and they run the entire spectrum of political affiliation.
Damn you missed Jesse Helms and Strom ThurmondQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Oh wait,they changed parties or something right?
Strom changed parties....Jesse was a life long Republican AND a card carrying member of the ACLU ;)
Why do you keep doing this to yourself Lyle?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Helms' first full-time job after college was as a sports reporter with The Raleigh Times.[23] During World War II, Helms served stateside as a recruiter in the United States Navy. After the war, he pursued his twin interests, journalism and politics (at that time, within the Democratic Party). Helms became the city news editor of The Raleigh Times and later moved to radio and television.
Helms himself never ran as anything other than a Republican....although I am aware of the fact that he helped a Democrat beat up on Franklin Porter Graham
And Trent Lott never technically ran as a Dixiecrat,here's the wall Lyle,here's you repeatedly running in to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
OK so if Trent Lott never "technically" ran as a dixiecrat then why the hell are you trying to bring it up....I don't care. All I am saying is if you look at Jesse Helms you're only going to see an R by his name. Whereas with Strom Thurmond he ran as a Democrat a couple times....even as a State's Rights Candidate for President in 1948.
But hey whatever makes you happy....as long as all you liberals can be happy I don't mind
The Democrats used to have all the Southern segregationist/racist politicians and used to win the southern States in elections the way the GOP do now. Then they backed a civil rights agenda and told all the southerners to sign up to it or leave the party. Some like Byrd signed up to it but a bunch couldn't face giving black folks equal rights and left and joined the GOP, who became the party of the south instead of the Democrats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Kirkland, what's better ACTING like you care or treating everyone the same?
Any southern Dixiecrat who signed up to the civil rights agenda knowing it could inevitably cost them reelection clearly was not "acting like they cared," they were actually showing courage. Similarly guys like Thurmond who didn't sign up and instead joined the GOP so that they didn't have to agree to equal rights for coloured folks were not "treating everyone the same."Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
While you are partly correct you are also wrong as well.
Lots of Southern families didn't leave the Democrat Party as they had have a history with the Party and so they just played along and at the local level they really didn't have to follow the National movement.
The KKK was spawned from Democrats
Yes, the south was still chock full of racist pliticians even after the civil rights act was passed. But the fact remains that the Democrats supported it and the GOP opposed it. So even though those politicians were still sorry human beings they still did at least one correct, courageous thing in their careers. And the Democrats paid the political p[rice for doing so too, the GOP now being dominant in the south.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
The GOP are not dominant anywhere right now....in my state we have 1 Republican Senator and only 5 (out of a possible 13) Republican Congressmen.
The ENTIRE eastern part of the state has always been and will always be DEMOCRAT no matter what the national stance of the party....the well to do families have history in the Democrat Party and will not give up their place in the party for anything.
That's only because the GOP has made such a disastrous job of running everything when they've been in power. Even your own State voted for Obama. But the fact remains that since the Democrats embraced civil rights the GOP has pandered to racist elements in the south to win elections and done so succesfully for decades. The fact it isn't working so well now is something else entirely.
Southern strategy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
My state is home to tons of liberals I don't deny it....the city I live in is full up with liberals......but I am not one of them.
That strategy doesn't work well, it never has been super effective here. Jesse Helms never won any landslides and that's all he used
It's fair to say that North Carolina isn't known for being a liberal kind od place though. I mean it's not Vermont, is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
It's not Vermont or anything but compare NC to Virginia, South Carolina, Alabama, Georgia, Tennesse, etc etc.....we're very liberal for a Southern State. So North Carolinians usually don't vote for a Democrat it's not that the people aren't liberal it's that they aren't liberal to the extent where they agree with what the national Democrat Party....we only had 3 Republican Governors in the entire 20th Century.
* 1st Sit in in the South happened in (my hometown) Greensboro at the Woolworth's
* The NC University system (16 schools) are a bastion of liberality...visit one and you'll see what I mean
Thank god we can disagree about something,I was worrying because of that TO thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Virginia is a weird state in that its large enough to be very different in different parts. Blacksburg is very liberal,Bluefield is very moderate,other parts are very conservative.
Even PA is like that,a friends dad used to describe it as "You have Philly on this end,and Pittsburgh on that end,and Alabama all in the middle"
In NC you have the Eastern part of the state who are the Old School Democrats are (Dixiecrats, some may call them) who are still Democrats just because of family history. Anyone with old money in the Eastern part of the state is a Democrat.
You have the Central part of the state which has a mix of Democrats and Republicans but mainly Democrats due to the liberal arts colleges and large populations of ethnic and religious minorities.
And then you have the mountain folk and they are just freaking wierd.
But a large portion of those groups can be swayed on arguments about family values and the power of the federal government.