The Saddoboxing Sanctioning body

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Originally Posted by killersheep

Since you have to beat a fighter to get their rank, how would we handle this situation?

Fighter ranked #2 and Fighter ranked #3 fight.

#2 Wins, would #3 keep his spot or be moved down a rank?

I would like to make them move down a rank.

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The only problen for me is things like draws... where would Juarez rate at 126 after the John fight? Would he take the position below John or not get ranked at all because he didn't win just put in the pool? Controversial loses should also get you placed in the pool. But I'm cool with fighters moving down a spot. Maybe 1 spot for a close or controversial loss, 2 spots for a wide decision & 3 for a KO loss... something like that, depending if they lost to a higher, lower or unranked opponent. I'd like it if that that lost to a lower ranked fighter they would swap... say #4 loses to #7 they would swap. If a rated fighter lost would it mean they exit automatically? If they are in the bottom 5 I think they should, top 5 move down according to the way they lost.

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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

But would'nt a meeting of 1 and 2 constitute a previous consideration,or just establish a mandatory challenger.If a guy wins in year one,he can also sit on the sideline hoping the Champ does the same.Just might become blurred as to what actually determines a Championship fight with the vote??Dont mind me,off for three days and indulging in liquids...ahem;D

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What I mean is that once a champion is established he must defend his title at least once a year from the date he won it. Every fight at that weight would be considered at defense for him. If he goes over that year period without defending (due to inactivity or fighting at other weights, not injury) then if the #1 & #2 contenders sign to fight sometime in the next 12 months following then it could qualify as fight to crown a new champion.

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Aha I gotcha now.One thing I'd add is that a reigning champion cannot division jump to test the waters at higher/lower weight and keep championship.This may seem uptight but I think it would maintain structure in division.Am I off? Just a personal dislike the leaping.Chances are highly likely that any succsess at higher weight translates to that champion never returning to legitiment threats....cough Pac.....cough:-X

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

What I mean is that once a champion is established he must defend his title at least once a year from the date he won it. Every fight at that weight would be considered at defense for him. If he goes over that year period without defending (due to inactivity or fighting at other weights, not injury) then if the #1 & #2 contenders sign to fight sometime in the next 12 months following then it could qualify as fight to crown a new champion.

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Aha I gotcha now.One thing I'd add is that a reigning champion cannot division jump to test the waters at higher/lower weight and keep championship.This may seem uptight but I think it would maintain structure in division.Am I off? Just a personal dislike the leaping.Chances are highly likely that any succsess at higher weight translates to that champion never returning to legitiment threats....cough Pac.....cough:-X

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I don't mind the division hopping, especially if its for making good fighters. Plus I'd like the fighters of today to have the opportunity to try & achieve what the legendary Armstrong did even if it is a very minute possibility. Example would be Jones Jr returning from heavy after the Ruiz fight... I had no problem with that, even if I preferred he stayed at heavy.

I see what you are saying. Maybe we should just say a champ that doesn't defend his title for a year vacates automatically. Let's say for example JMM who is the champ at 135 moves to 140 and fights an unranked fighter JMM by right gets put in the 140 lb. pool, but if he does not defend at 135 within a year of his last defense there he gets dropped to the 135 pool as well.

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Yeah I think a year is sufficiant. Even Mayweather was defending his 147 pound championship once a year.

Using your example of JMM if he defeated a rated fighter at 140 he would take that ranking & if he was champ at 135 he'd still retain it for a year without defending it. I think thats fair.

I can live with a year.Also Galaxy about draws.....how about an immediate rematch,taking into consideration injuries,cuts etc.100 days with no other fights permitted??We have to do something different,shake it up.Both retain rankings as prior to the fight,if they opt for another fight...they drop from the top ten?I know some draws can be results of tightly fought affairs but they are also inconclusive and well...draws;D

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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

I can live with a year.Also Galaxy about draws.....how about an immediate rematch,taking into consideration injuries,cuts etc.100 days with no other fights permitted??We have to do something different,shake it up.Both retain rankings as prior to the fight,if they opt for another fight...they drop from the top ten?I know some draws can be results of tightly fought affairs but they are also inconclusive and well...draws;D

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I don't know? Few things to think abount with draws...

What if the fight is crap & no one wants to see it again? There maybe other bigger fights at the weight that maybe just as important.

Not all draws are between top ranked fighters lets say for example a rated fighter draws with a unrated fighter & the decision was controversial (the rated fighter should have won) do you think its fair for the rated fighter to be removed after 100 days because he didn't rematch the unrated fighter because there might have been a bigger fight for him?

I don't think tech draws should be counted in regards to earning a ranking. If rated fighters fight to a tech draw their ranks should remain the same. If a unrated fights a ranked & it ends in a technical draw the ranked fight should remain the same & the unrated should be placed in the pool.

My opinion is that if a fight ends in a draw over the distance then the lower rated or unrated fighter should take the spot below the higher.
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One other thing.. I think we have to follow the official decisions even if we don't agree with them. But this may lead to some unworthy fighters becoming ranked. e.g. your boy Humberto Soto officially lost the 1st Lorenzo fight, that would have landed Lorenzo 4th by our ratings system. But we would have to stand by our system no matter how bogus the decision is!

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

I can live with a year.Also Galaxy about draws.....how about an immediate rematch,taking into consideration injuries,cuts etc.100 days with no other fights permitted??We have to do something different,shake it up.Both retain rankings as prior to the fight,if they opt for another fight...they drop from the top ten?I know some draws can be results of tightly fought affairs but they are also inconclusive and well...draws;D

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I don't know? Few things to think abount with draws...

What if the fight is crap & no one wants to see it again? There maybe other bigger fights at the weight that maybe just as important.

Not all draws are between top ranked fighters lets say for example a rated fighter draws with a unrated fighter & the decision was controversial (the rated fighter should have won) do you think its fair for the rated fighter to be removed after 100 days because he didn't rematch the unrated fighter because there might have been a bigger fight for him?

I don't think tech draws should be counted in regards to earning a ranking. If rated fighters fight to a tech draw their ranks should remain the same. If a unrated fights a ranked & it ends in a technical draw the ranked fight should remain the same & the unrated should be placed in the pool.

My opinion is that if a fight ends in a draw over the distance then the lower rated or unrated fighter should take the spot below the higher.
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One other thing.. I think we have to follow the official decisions even if we don't agree with them. But this may lead to some unworthy fighters becoming ranked. e.g. your boy Humberto Soto officially lost the 1st Lorenzo fight, that would have landed Lorenzo 4th by our ratings system. But we would have to stand by our system no matter how bogus the decision is!

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A draw should have no effect on the rankings!! Since they are fighting for the rank you have to win to take it.

I think as Galazy mentioned a scale to dropping ranks 1 for a close loss, 2 for a clear loss, 3 for a blowout loss. I don't know if I agree with the switching positions thing though I'm gonna have to run through some scenarios on Excel :P

How about no Tomato Can padding your record so it looks nicer then it really is?
You'll constantly see a guy with like an 18-0 record,and then you go look at who he's fought,and about the only thing you can think is,"I didnt even know that guy was still alive"

Can I be in charge of awarding Interim and Champion Emeritus belts???;)

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Originally Posted by Hunter

Can I be in charge of awarding Interim and Champion Emeritus belts???;)

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Sure thing, but you're gonna be like that Maytag repairman on the commercials with nothing to do. ;D

OK so here's a couple of scenarios
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Using the loss results in losing 1-3 places

Assume #9 beats #2

a) close fight

Ranks
before ---------- after
1 --------------- 1
2 --------------- 9
3 --------------- 2
4 --------------- 3
5 --------------- 4
6 --------------- 5
7 --------------- 6
8 --------------- 7
9 --------------- 8
10 -------------- 10

b) clear win for #9

before ---------- after
1 --------------- 1
2 --------------- 9
3 --------------- 3
4 --------------- 2
5 --------------- 4
6 --------------- 5
7 --------------- 6
8 --------------- 7
9 --------------- 8
10 -------------- 10

c) blowout win for # 9

before ---------- after
1 --------------- 1
2 --------------- 9
3 --------------- 3
4 --------------- 4
5 --------------- 2
6 --------------- 5
7 --------------- 6
8 --------------- 7
9 --------------- 8
10 -------------- 10

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Fighters switch ranks

again #9 beats #2

Ranks
before ---------- after
1 --------------- 1
2 --------------- 9
3 --------------- 3
4 --------------- 4
5 --------------- 5
6 --------------- 6
7 --------------- 7
8 --------------- 8
9 --------------- 2
10 -------------- 10

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by Hunter

Can I be in charge of awarding Interim and Champion Emeritus belts???;)

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Sure thing, but you're gonna be like that Maytag repairman on the commercials with nothing to do. ;D

OK so here's a couple of scenarios
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Using the loss results in losing 1-3 places

Assume #9 beats #2

a) close fight

Ranks
before ---------- after
1 --------------- 1
2 --------------- 9
3 --------------- 2
4 --------------- 3
5 --------------- 4
6 --------------- 5
7 --------------- 6
8 --------------- 7
9 --------------- 8
10 -------------- 10

b) clear win for #9

before ---------- after
1 --------------- 1
2 --------------- 9
3 --------------- 3
4 --------------- 2
5 --------------- 4
6 --------------- 5
7 --------------- 6
8 --------------- 7
9 --------------- 8
10 -------------- 10

c) blowout win for # 9

before ---------- after
1 --------------- 1
2 --------------- 9
3 --------------- 3
4 --------------- 4
5 --------------- 2
6 --------------- 5
7 --------------- 6
8 --------------- 7
9 --------------- 8
10 -------------- 10

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Fighters switch ranks

again #9 beats #2

Ranks
before ---------- after
1 --------------- 1
2 --------------- 9
3 --------------- 3
4 --------------- 4
5 --------------- 5
6 --------------- 6
7 --------------- 7
8 --------------- 8
9 --------------- 2
10 -------------- 10

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Good work but Im just not keen on the a,b,& c loss catagories ?More of a math class and who exactly has the task of determining a blowout from a close nod?Just leaves alot of room for massaging the scoring by some judges....not that I dont trust the judges ;D.I like a clean,definative switch of rankings.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

OK gentlemen and ladies,

I have an idea here. We all have our own opinions on how a sanctioning body should be run, so why don't we make up the rules of our own sanctioning body, we could create our own champs and rankings etc.
Anyone wanna play?

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Count me in...Sure we can do better then the ones out there!!!

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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by Hunter

Can I be in charge of awarding Interim and Champion Emeritus belts???;)

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Sure thing, but you're gonna be like that Maytag repairman on the commercials with nothing to do. ;D

OK so here's a couple of scenarios
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Using the loss results in losing 1-3 places

Assume #9 beats #2

a) close fight

Ranks
before ---------- after
1 --------------- 1
2 --------------- 9
3 --------------- 2
4 --------------- 3
5 --------------- 4
6 --------------- 5
7 --------------- 6
8 --------------- 7
9 --------------- 8
10 -------------- 10

b) clear win for #9

before ---------- after
1 --------------- 1
2 --------------- 9
3 --------------- 3
4 --------------- 2
5 --------------- 4
6 --------------- 5
7 --------------- 6
8 --------------- 7
9 --------------- 8
10 -------------- 10

c) blowout win for # 9

before ---------- after
1 --------------- 1
2 --------------- 9
3 --------------- 3
4 --------------- 4
5 --------------- 2
6 --------------- 5
7 --------------- 6
8 --------------- 7
9 --------------- 8
10 -------------- 10

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Fighters switch ranks

again #9 beats #2

Ranks
before ---------- after
1 --------------- 1
2 --------------- 9
3 --------------- 3
4 --------------- 4
5 --------------- 5
6 --------------- 6
7 --------------- 7
8 --------------- 8
9 --------------- 2
10 -------------- 10

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Good work but Im just not keen on the a,b,& c loss catagories ?More of a math class and who exactly has the task of determining a blowout from a close nod?Just leaves alot of room for massaging the scoring by some judges....not that I dont trust the judges ;D.I like a clean,definative switch of rankings.

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Valid

I see what Spicoli is saying & it is valid...

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I think a straight switch will not give us a clear representation of the true rankings.

e.g. using some of the current Ring rankings:

Judah #9 beats Mosley #1, sure Judah would have earned the #1 spot but would Mosley really be as far down as the #9 wekter in the world?

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Garay #9 beat Dawson #2, I think Dawson would still be considered one of the best fighters in the division, not the 9th.

I think the fairest way maybe if your beaten the winner takes that spot & you move down one spot, moving the rest of the field all down one removing the 10th ranked fighter.

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

I see what Spicoli is saying & it is valid...

but

I think a straight switch will not give us a clear representation of the true rankings.

e.g. using some of the current Ring rankings:

Judah #9 beats Mosley #1, sure Judah would have earned the #1 spot but would Mosley really be as far down as the #9 wekter in the world?

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Garay #9 beat Dawson #2, I think Dawson would still be considered one of the best fighters in the division, not the 9th.

I think the fairest way maybe if your beaten the winner takes that spot & you move down one spot, moving the rest of the field all down one removing the 10th ranked fighter.

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Maybe we could do a compromise, a normal loss 1 spot, a blowout 2 spots.

I think this is worth mentioning.

1. What is the purpose of having a weight class?

If the purpose of the weight class is to make sure fighters don't have an unfair weight advantage. Why are fighters allowed to fight at a lower weight class than he started at? Or at least the fight called if a fighter rehydrates more than 7lbs above the weight class.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

I see what Spicoli is saying & it is valid...

but

I think a straight switch will not give us a clear representation of the true rankings.

e.g. using some of the current Ring rankings:

Judah #9 beats Mosley #1, sure Judah would have earned the #1 spot but would Mosley really be as far down as the #9 wekter in the world?

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Garay #9 beat Dawson #2, I think Dawson would still be considered one of the best fighters in the division, not the 9th.

I think the fairest way maybe if your beaten the winner takes that spot & you move down one spot, moving the rest of the field all down one removing the 10th ranked fighter.

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Maybe we could do a compromise, a normal loss 1 spot, a blowout 2 spots.

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I'm pretty sure most of us here are capable of telling the difference between a really close contest & a walkover.

e.g. Casamayor/ Katsidis was a very closley contested fight & although Katsidis got ko'd in no way would I call it a blowout. Vitali/ Peter on the other hand was dominant.

I think the final call should come down to yourself killer as I sure everyone on here respects your judgement. Atleast for now... once we start getting those sanctioning fees you may become curruptable!

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

I see what Spicoli is saying & it is valid...

but

I think a straight switch will not give us a clear representation of the true rankings.

e.g. using some of the current Ring rankings:

Judah #9 beats Mosley #1, sure Judah would have earned the #1 spot but would Mosley really be as far down as the #9 wekter in the world?

or

Garay #9 beat Dawson #2, I think Dawson would still be considered one of the best fighters in the division, not the 9th.

I think the fairest way maybe if your beaten the winner takes that spot & you move down one spot, moving the rest of the field all down one removing the 10th ranked fighter.

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If Mosley was to loss to Judah right now....he deserves to drop from the rankings all together ;D...jk man,I here what your saying and its a solid point.Maybe we should handle it on a case by case basis.I just feel it would generate a log jam at the top of the division while some lower contenders might get over looked while they hash out rematches and such.I mean,If a guy losses by wide descision to a guy he is expected to defeat,let alone get KO'd...he may very well deserve/need to be dropped more than 1 or 2 pegs sort of adds a spark to the lower ten,keeps it a bit fluid and lively with some guys without the high profiles.

I can see both sides largely,great stuff guys.The ring has Margarito still ranked at #3 after lossing to Mosley,they switched spots,Now maybe I'm in the minority but Tony was broke down and beaten up convincingly,Waaah lol.In that case I actually think he should be dropped a peg or 2 lower than Mosleys previous spot??Killer...Galaxy....your both well thought out and top notch minds,Im cool with what you decide really;D

One huge thing that may save us many headaches about controversial descisions is scrutiny and constant review of the judges and refs.If they hand in an obscene card,put them before a panel and breakdown the rounds.Not to intimidate them or make them hesitant but just seems to be soooo lacking today.

Why not just delegate the ranking authority to Jose Souliman?

this is a great idea

we dont need no one telling us who is the best!

saddoboxing title all he way baby;D

I think we should assign mangers for each weightclass, people could manage more than one, but we can share responsibility for it.

How are we going to organise the initial rankings for each division? Do we simply follow the Ring's top 10 for each or do we create our own & how?

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Originally Posted by killersheep

I think we should assign mangers for each weightclass, people could manage more than one, but we can share responsibility for it.

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Thats a great idea! Feel free to give me any divisions... even straw

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Originally Posted by JazMerkin

How are we going to organise the initial rankings for each division? Do we simply follow the Ring's top 10 for each or do we create our own & how?

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As per killers previous post, those managing each division would create the ratings for that weight. Then the commitee (whoever is in it) can review it

we can have a better lookin belt than those other ugly ones ;D

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Originally Posted by dee_z_r

we can have a better lookin belt than those other ugly ones ;D

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I've always thought that the Gay Pride Commonwealth belt's multicoloured offerings to be a bit horrible. Nothing like that please.

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

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Originally Posted by killersheep

I think we should assign mangers for each weightclass, people could manage more than one, but we can share responsibility for it.

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Thats a great idea! Feel free to give me any divisions... even straw

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Originally Posted by JazMerkin

How are we going to organise the initial rankings for each division? Do we simply follow the Ring's top 10 for each or do we create our own & how?

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As per killers previous post, those managing each division would create the ratings for that weight. Then the commitee (whoever is in it) can review it

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Actually bro what I meant was we would have the committee vote for the original rankings and then once the system is in place, the manager would be responsible for maintaining it and updating it week to week.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

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Originally Posted by killersheep

I think we should assign mangers for each weightclass, people could manage more than one, but we can share responsibility for it.

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Thats a great idea! Feel free to give me any divisions... even straw

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Originally Posted by JazMerkin

How are we going to organise the initial rankings for each division? Do we simply follow the Ring's top 10 for each or do we create our own & how?

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As per killers previous post, those managing each division would create the ratings for that weight. Then the commitee (whoever is in it) can review it

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Actually bro what I meant was we would have the committee vote for the original rankings and then once the system is in place, the manager would be responsible for maintaining it and updating it week to week.

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All good mate, just thought it may be easier for those managers to present their ratings for their division(s) to the committee for approval. Rather than getting everyone to vote on each division. I'm sure if the committe is a bunch of solid guys only a few changes may need to be made in each division.

For the initial vote I think that it should be done as follows.
1. The vote will be open for a week and must have votes from at least 10 committee members to count.
2. Ties for rankings will have seperate tie breaking votes.
3. Ratings will be given
10 points for #1
9 points for #2
8 points for #3
7 points for #4
6 points for #5
5 points for #6
4 points for #7
3 points for #8
2 points for #9
1 point for #10
4. Final rankings will be the sum of all the points
5. Fighters that get votes, but don't make the rankings will be put in the pool.
6. No belts will be given on the initial vote, those have to be won in the ring.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

For the initial vote I think that it should be done as follows.
1. The vote will be open for a week and must have votes from at least 10 committee members to count.
2. Ties for rankings will have seperate tie breaking votes.
3. Ratings will be given
10 points for #1
9 points for #2
8 points for #3
7 points for #4
6 points for #5
5 points for #6
4 points for #7
3 points for #8
2 points for #9
1 point for #10
4. Final rankings will be the sum of all the points
5. Fighters that get votes, but don't make the rankings will be put in the pool.
6. No belts will be given on the initial vote, those have to be won in the ring.

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O.k. lets get this thing started then.

I think the vote should be open to committee members from now until the end of Thursday night as there are fights this weekend at heavy, light-heavy, , Jr welter, Jr. feather involving ranked fighters & the ratings have the potential to change.

We can share out the weight classes that are still vacant, I'll take on Straw & I'm sure other members will pick up another.

I don't think we need votes from at least 10 members, whatever votes come in from members before the deadline we should use as our initial ratings.

Lets get this rolling now or we may never get it started!

HEAVYWEIGHT:
1.Wladimir Klitschko
2.Vitali Klitschko
3.Ruslan Chagaev
4.Alexander Povetkin
5.Sultan Ibragimov
6.Nicoly Valuev
7.Juan Carlos Gomez
8.Sam Peter
9.Alexander Dimitrenko
10.David Haye

CRUISERWEIGHT:
1.Tomasz Adamek
2.Steve Cunningham
3.Krzysztof Wlodarczyk
4.Guillermo Jones
5.Marco Huck
6.Firat Arslan
7.Ola Afolabi
8.Vadim Tokarev
9.Giacobbe Fragomeni
10.BJ Flores

LIGHT-HEAVYWEIGHT:
1.Bernard Hopkins
2.Chad Dawson
3.Glen Johnson
4.Antonio Tarver
5.Zsolt Erdei
6.Hugo Garay
7.Roy Jones
8.Clinton Woods
9.Adrian Diaconu
10.Yusef Mack

SUPER-MIDDLEWEIGHT:
1.Mikkel Kessler
2.Lucian Bute
3.Librado Andrade
4.Jermain Taylor
5.Carl Froch
6.Anthony Mundine
7.Sakio Bika
8.Karoly Balzsay
9.Denis Inkin
10.Andre Dirrel

MIDDLEWEIGHT:
1.Kelly Pavlik
2.Arthur Abraham
3.Felix Sturm
4.Sebastian Sylvester
5.Khoren Gevor
6.Randy Griffin
7.David Lopez
8.Karo Murat
9.Daniel Geale
10.John Duddy

Jr. MIDDLEWEIGHT:
1.Vernon Forrest
2.Paul Williams
3.Verno Phillips
4.Cory Spinks
5.Sergio Martinez
6.Sergio Mora
7.Sergei Dzindziruk
8.Daniel Santos
9.James Kirkland
10.Joachim Alcine

WELTERWEIGHT:
1.Shane Mosley
2.Miguel Cotto
3.Antonio Margarito
4.Joshua Clottey
5.Manny Pacquiao
6.Andre Berto
7.Luis Collazo
8.Carlos Quintana
9.Zab Judah
10.Isaac Hlatswayo

Jr. WELTERWEIGHT:
1.Ricky Hatton
2.Timothy Bradley
3.Junior Witter
4.Andreas Kotelnik
5.Juan Urango
6.Paul Malignaggi
7.Kendall Holt
8.Ricardo Torres
9.Marcos Maidana
10.Nate Campbell

LIGHTWEIGHT:
1.Juan Manual Marquez
2.Juan Diaz
3.Joel Casamayor
4.Ali Funeka
5.Julio Diaz
6.David Diaz
7.Antonio Pitalua
8.Michael Katsidis
9.Breidis Prescott
10.Joan Guzman

Jr. LIGHTWEIGHT:
1.Edwin Valero
2.Humberto Soto
3.Cassius Baloyi
4.Roman Martinez
5.Jorge Barrios
6.Urbano Antillon
7.Jorge Linares
8.Mzonke Fana
9.Nicky Cook
10.Roberto Guerrero

FEATHERWEIGHT:
1.Chris John
2.Steve Luevano
3.Jorge Solis
4.Mario Santiago
5.Rocky Juarez
6.Hiroyuki Enoki
7.Takahiro Aoh
8.Cristobal Cruz
9.Martin Honorio
10.Choi Tseveenpurev

Jr. FEATHERWEIGHT:
1.Israel Vasquez
2.Rafael Marquez
3.Celestino Caballero
4.Juan Manuel Lopez
5.Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym
6.Ricardo Cordoba
7.Steve Molitor
8.Jhonny Gonzalez
9.Rendall Munroe
10.Toshiaki Nishioka

BANTAMWEIGHT:
1.Hozumi Hasegawa
2.Anselmo Moreno
3.Wladimir Sidorenko
4.Silence Mabuza
5.Joseph Agbeko
6.Gerry Penalosa
7.Abner Mares
8.Roberto Vasquez
9.Fernando Montiel
10.Nehomar Cermeno

Jr. BANTAMWEIGHT:
1.Vic Darchinyan
2.Alexander Munoz
3.Nobuo Nashiro
4.Jose Navarro
5.Z. Gorres
6.Jorge Arce
7.Dimitri Kirilov
8.Kohei Kono
9.Daiki Kameda
10.Simphiwe Nongqayi

FLYWEIGHT:
1.Nonito Donaire
2.Daisuke Naito
3.Denkaosan Kaovichit
4.Omar Narvaez
5.Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
6.Takafumi Sakata
7.Jose Lopez
8.Koki Kameda
9.Hugo Cazares
10.Moruti Mithalane

Jr. FLYWEIGHT:
1.Ivan Calderon
2.Ulises Solis
3.Edgar Sosa
4.Giovanni Segura
5.Cesar Canchila
6.Juan Carlos Reveco
7.Juanito Rubillar
8.Omar Nino
9.Katsunari Takayama
10.Munetsugu Kayo

STRAWWEIGHT:
1.Roman Gonzalez
2.Raul Garcia
3.Oleydong Sithsamerchai
4.Florante Condes
5.Milan Melindo
6.Donnie Nietes
7.Nkosinathi Joyi
8.Juan Palacios
9.Ronald Barrera
10.Manuel Vargas

Here's my top 10 for every division. One question are we taking inactivity (like that of Izzy & Rafa into account)?

Heavyweight

1. Wlad Klitschko
2. Vitali Klitschko
3. Ruslan Chagaev
4. Nicolay Valuev
5. Alexander Povetkin
6. Juan Carlos Gomez
7. Sam Peter
8. David Haye
9. Alexander Dimitrenko
10. Chris Arreola

Cruiserweight

1. Tomasz Adamek
2. Steve Cunningham
3. Guillermo Jones
4. Krzysztof Wlodarczyk
5. Marco Huck
6. Ola Afolabi
7. Giacobbe Fragomeni
8. Firat Arslan
9. Vadim Tokarev
10. Matt Godfrey

Light-Heavyweight

1. Bernard Hopkins
2. Chad Dawson
3. Glen Johnson
4. Antonio Tarver
5. Roy Jones Jr
6. Zsolt Erdei
7. Adrian Diaconu
8. Clinton Woods
9. Hugo Garay
10. Tavoris Cloud

Super-Middleweight

1. Mikkel Kessler
2. Lucian Bute
3. Librado Andrade
4. Jermain Taylor
5. Carl Froch
6. Allan Green
7. Sakio Bika
8. Karoly Balszay
9. Denis Inkin
10. Jean Pascal

Middleweight

1. Kelly Pavlik
2. Arthur Abraham
3. Felix Sturm
4. Sebastien Sylvester
5. Khoren Gevor
6. Anthony Mundine
7. Randy Griffin
8. Javier Castillejo
9. Amin Asikainen
10. John Duddy

Light-Middleweight

1. Vernon Forrest
2. Paul Williams
3. Winky Wright
4. Sergio Martinez
5. Sergei Dzindziruk
6. Cory Spinks
7. Daniel Santos
8. James Kirkland
9. Alfredo Angulo
10. Joachim Alcine

Welterweight

1. Shane Mosley
2. Miguel Cotto
3. Antonio Margarito
4. Joshua Clottey
5. Andre Berto
6. Luis Collazo
7. Carlos Quintana
8. Isaac Hlatswayo
9. Kermit Cintron
10. Jackson Bonsu

Light-Welterweight

1. Ricky Hatton
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Tim Bradley
4. Kendall Holt
5. Paulie Malignaggi
6. Andreas Kotelnik
7. Ricard Torres
8. Juan Urango
9. Victor Ortiz
10. Nate Campbell

Lightweight

1. Juan Manuel Marquez
2. Juan Diaz
3. Joel Casamayor
4. Ali Funeka
5. Julio Diaz
6. David Diaz
7. Michael Katsidis
8. Edwin Valero
9. Yuri Romanov
10. Breidis Prescott

Super-Featherweight

1. Humberto Soto
2. Jorge Linares
3. Cassius Baloyi
4. Roman Martinez
5. Urbano Antillon
6. Daud Yordan
7. Mzonke Fana
8. Robert Guerrero
9. Jorge Barrios
10. Nicky Cook

Featherweight

1. Chris John
2. Steve Luevano
3. Jorge Solis
4. Takahiro Aoh
5. Hiroyuki Enoki
6. Rocky Juarez
7. Martin Honorio
8. Cristobal Cruz
9. Yuriorkis Gamboa
10. Mario Santiago

Super-Bantamweight

1. Israrel Vasquez
2. Rafael Marquez
3. Celestinio Caballero
4. Juan Manuel Lopez
5. Steve Molitor
6. Daniel Ponce de Leon
7. Jhonny Gonzalez
8. Ricardo Cordoba
9. Rendall Munroe
10. Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym

Bantamweight

1. Hozumi Hasegawa
2. Anselmo Moreno
3. Silence Mabuza
4. Joseph Agbeko
5. Gerry Penalosa
6. Wladimir Sidorenko
7. Abner Mares
8. Roberto Vasquez
9. Nehomar Cermeno
10. William Gonzalez

Junior Bantamweight

1. Vic Darchiniyan
2. Alexander Munoz
3. Jorge Arce
4. Nobuo Nashiro
5. Jose Navarro
6. Z Gorres
7. Daiki Kameda
8. Dimitri Kirilov
9. Kohei Kono
10. Raul Martinez

Flyweight

1. Nonito Donaire
2. Daisuke Naito
3. Pongsaklek Wongjongkam
4. Denkaosan Kaovichit
5. Omar Narvaez
6. Takefumi Sakata
7. Koki Kameda
8. Hugo Cazares
9. Jose Lopez
10. Moruti Mthalane

Junior Flyweight

1. Ivan Calderon
2. Ulises Solis
3. Edgar Sosa
4. Cesar Canchilla
5. Giovanni Segura
6. Omar Nino
7. Juanito Rubillar
8. Juan Reveco
9. Nelson Dieppa
10. Munetsugu Kayo

Minimumweight

1. Roman Gonzalez
2. Raul Garcia
3. Oleydong Sithsamerchai
4. Milan Melindo
5. Muhammad Rahman
6. Donnie Nietes
7. Katsunari Takayama
8. Juan Palacios
9. Nkosinathi Joyi
10. Florante Condes

Will finish the rest later.

Reserved for Killersheep's picks

Heavyweight
1. Wlad Klitschko
2. Vitali Klitschko
3. Ruslan Chagaev
4. Alexander Povetkin
5. Sultan Ibragimov
6. Sam Peter
7. Nicolay Valuev
8. Juan Carlos Gomez
9. Chris Arreola
10. David Haye

Cruiserweight
1. Tomasz Adamek
2. Steve Cunningham
3. Guillermo Jones
4. Firat Arslan
5. Krzyztof Wlodarczyk
6. Vadim Tokarev
7. Marco Huck
8. Giacobbe Fragomeni
9. Matt Godfrey
10.Troy Ross

Light Heavyweight
1. Bernard Hopkins
2. Chad Dawson
3. Glen Johnson
4. Zsolt Erdei
5. Antonio Tarver
6. Adrian Diaconu
7. Hugo Garay
8. Clinton Woods
9. Yusaf Mack
10. Juergan Braemer

Super Middleweight
1. Mikkel Kessler
2. Lucien Bute
3. Librado Andrade
4. Anthony Mundine
5. Sakio Bika
6. Allan Green
7. Karoly Balzay
8. Carl Froch
9. Jermain Taylor
10. Denis Inkin

Middleweight
1. Kelly Pavlik
2. Arthur Abraham
3. Felix Sturm
4. Sebastian Sylvester
5. Randy Griffin
6. Khoren Gevor
7. Javier Castillejo
8. Amin Asikainen
9. David Lopez
10. Daniel Geale

Light Middleweight
1. Vernon Forrest
2. Paul Williams
3. Verno Phillips
4. Sergio Martinez
5. Sergio Mora
6. Cory Spinks
7. Daniel Santos
8. Sergei Dzindziruk
9. Alfredo Angulo
10. James Kirkland

Welterweight
1. Shane Mosley
2. Miguel Cotto
3. Antonio Margarito
4. Josh Clottey
5. Andre Berto
6. Carlos Quintana
7. Luis Collazo
8. Isaac Hlatswayo
9. Zab Judah
10. Delvin Rodriguez

Light Welterweight
1. Ricky Hatton
2. Timothy Bradley
3. Junior Witter
4. Kendall Holt
5. Juan Urango
6. Ricardo Torres
7. Paulie Malignaggi
8. Herman Ngoudjo
9. Andreas Kotelnik
10. Marcos Maidana

Lightweight
1. Juan Manuel Marquez
2. Nate Campbell
3. Juan Diaz
4. Joel Casamayor
5. Julio Diaz
6. Yuri Romanov
7. Michael Katsidis
8. David Diaz
9. Ali Funeka
10. Breidis Prescott

Super Featherweight
1. Humberto Soto
2. Edwin Valero
3. Cassius Baloyi
4. Jorge Linares
5. Roman Martinez
6. Urbano Antillon
7. Robert Guerrero
8. Jorge Barrios
9. Nicky Cook
10. Mzonke Fana

Featherweight
1. Chris John
2. Steven Luevano
3. Rocky Juarez
4. Jorge Solis
5. Takahiro Aoh
6. Hiroyuki Enoki
7. Martin Honorio
8. Cristobal Cruz
9. Mario Santiago
10. Oscar Larios

Super Bantamweight
1. Israel Vazquez
2. Rafa Marquez
3. Celestino Caballero
4. Juan Manuel Lopez
5. Steve Molitor
6. Daniel Ponce De Leon
7. Poonsawat Kratingaenggym
8. Ricardo Cordoba
9. Jhonny Gonzalez
10. Rendall Munroe

Bantamweight
1. Hozumi Hasegawa
2. Anselmo Moreno
3. Wladimir Sidorenko
4. Gerry Penalosa
5. Silence Mabuza
6. Joseph Agbeko
7. Vusi Malinga
8. Roberto Vazquez
9. William Gonzalez
10. Abner Mares

Super Flyweight
1. Vic Darchinyan
2. Cristian Mijares
3. Alexander Munoz
4. Jose Navarro
5. Nobuo Nashiro
6. Jorge Arce
7. Dimitri Kirilov
8. Z Gorres
9. Daiki Kameda
10. Kohei Kono

Flyweight
1. Nonito Donaire
2. Daisuke Naito
3. Omar Narvaez
4. Denkaosan Kaovichit
5. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
6. Koki Kameda
7. Takefumi Sakata
8. Jose Lopez
9. Bernard Inom
10. Moruti Mthalane

Light Flyweight
1. Ivan Calderon
2. Ulises Solis
3. Edgar Sosa
4. Giovanni Segura
5. Cesar Canchila
6. Hugo Cazares
7. Juanito Rubillar
8. Omar Nino
9. Nelson Dieppa
10. Brahim Asloum

Minimumweight
1. Roman Gonzalez
2. Oleydong Sithsamerchai
3. Raul Garcia
4. Florante Condes
5. Muhammad Rahman
6. Donnie Nietes
7. Katsunari Takayama
8. Juan Palacios
9. Ronald Barrera
10. Nkosinathi Joyi

Attention all managers we need your votes, you don't want Galaxy, JazMerkin and I having the final say on who gets ranked do you?
below is a template, you can just quote this post and fill it in. Please note that current Ring Champs are automatic #1 ranked in
our system.

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killer & Galaxy

dunno if you were aware, but Mundine is now fighting at Middleweight, he's fought his last fight there. Dunno why The Ring hasn't updated it.

Also Greg, I don't think you meant to have JMM in at super-bantam ;)

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Originally Posted by JazMerkin

killer & Galaxy

dunno if you were aware, but Mundine is now fighting at Middleweight, he's fought his last fight there. Dunno why The Ring hasn't updated it.

Also Greg, I don't think you meant to have JMM in at super-bantam ;)

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Here in northern mexico we spell Lopez: m-a-r-q-u-e-z :p

ill start this off now and will edit later this afternoon when i have time

Heavyweight
1. Wlad
2. Vitali
3. Chagaev
4. Gomez
5. Valuev
6. Haye
7. Povetkin
8. Peter
9. Ibragimov
10. Dimitrenko

Cruiserweight
1. Tomasz Adamek
2. Cunningham
3. Huck
4. Afolabi
5. Jones
6. Bell
7. BJ Flores
8. Ramirez
9. Arslan
10. Ross

Light Heavyweight
1. Dawson
2. B-Hop
3. Johnson
4. Tarver
5. Erdei
6. Diaconu
7. Woods
8.Garay
9. Brahemer
10. Jones Jr

Super Middleweight
1. Kessler
2. Bute
3. Taylor
4. Froch
5. Bika
6. Inkin
7. Dirrel
8.Andrade
9. Lacy
10. Pascal

Middleweight
1. Kelly Pavlik
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1. Ricky Hatton
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1. Ivan Calderon
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[quote=killersheep;702128]Attention all managers we need your votes, you don't want Galaxy, JazMerkin and I having the final say on who gets ranked do you?
below is a template, you can just quote this post and fill it in. Please note that current Ring Champs are automatic #1 ranked in
our system.

Heavyweight
1. Wlad
2. Vitali
3. Chagaev
4. Valuev
5. Povetkin
6. Gomez
7. Ibragimov
8. Peter
9. Haye
10.Arreola

Cruiserweight
1. Tomasz Adamek
2. Cunningham
3. Jones
4. Huck
5. Fragomeni
6. Ofalabi
7. Arslan
8. Maccarinelli
9. Flores
10. Hide

Light Heavyweight
1. Hopkins
2. Dawson
3. Johnson
4. Erdei
5. Tarver
6. Diaconu
7. Garay
8. Brahmer
9. Woods
10. Jones Jr

Super Middleweight
1. Kessler
2. Taylor
3. Froch
4. Bute
5. Balzsay
6. Bika
7. Andrade
8. Miranda
9. Pascal
10. Inkin

Middleweight
1. Kelly Pavlik
2. Abraham
3. Sturm
4. Mundine
5. Sylvestor
6. Griffin
7. Gevor
8. Duddy
9. Rubio
10. Macklin

Light Middleweight
1. Vernon Forrest
2. Williams
3. Phillips
4. ODLH
5. Martinez
6. Mora
7. Santos
8. Kirkland
9. Dzindziruk
10. Moore

Welterweight
1. Cotto
2. Mosley
3. Margarito
4. Berto
5. Clottey
6. Collazo
7. Quintana
8. Cintron
9. Judah
10. D. Rodriguez

Light Welterweight
1. Ricky Hatton
2. Pacman
3. Kotelnik
4. Torres
5. Malignaggi
6. Bradley
7. Urango
8. Holt
9. Maidana
10. Ortiz

Lightweight
1. Juan Manuel Marquez
2. Juan Diaz
3. Casamayor
4. Funeka
5. Campbell
6. David Diaz
7. Julio Diaz
8. Katsidis
9. Prescott
10. Khan

Super Featherweight
1. Linares
2. Valero
3. Baloyi
4. Soto
5. Martinez
6. Guerrero
7. Gulyakevitch
8. Barrios
9. Antillon
10. Cook

Featherweight
1. John
2. Luevano
3. Juarez
4. Solis
5. Gamboa
6. Cruz
7. Larios
8. Santiago
9. Dib
10. Espadas

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There's mine for now, i'll update later.

as im dealing with Welter

1. Mosley
2. Cotto
3. Margarito
4. Clottey
5. Berto
6. Hlatshwayo
7. Judah
8. Collazo
9. Kirpa
10. Bonsu

I'll just post SMW for now, that's my responsibility:

Champion: Vacant
1. Kessler
2. Bute
3. Taylor
4. Mundine
5. Andrade
6. Froch
7. Balzsay
8. Bika
9. Green
10. Dirrell

Ok this is why I had originally said we need 10 votes, I've calculated totals from Heavyweight down to Featherweight so far and there are tons of ties.
If these ties are not broken by the end of Thursday, we will have to have subsequent votes or have the managers of each division have the final say. How should we proceed?

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Ok this is why I had originally said we need 10 votes, I've calculated totals from Heavyweight down to Featherweight so far and there are tons of ties.
If these ties are not broken by the end of Thursday, we will have to have subsequent votes or have the managers of each division have the final say. How should we proceed?

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i personally think each manager should od just their own rankings and the others can object to certain spots for certain fighters because its a bit too much of a long thing to be rating every division each week

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Originally Posted by killersheep

Ok this is why I had originally said we need 10 votes, I've calculated totals from Heavyweight down to Featherweight so far and there are tons of ties.
If these ties are not broken by the end of Thursday, we will have to have subsequent votes or have the managers of each division have the final say. How should we proceed?

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i personally think each manager should od just their own rankings and the others can object to certain spots for certain fighters because its a bit too much of a long thing to be rating every division each week

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I don't mind this idea. If there is controversy about a managers rankings, maybe then everyone votes on it?

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Originally Posted by killersheep

Ok this is why I had originally said we need 10 votes, I've calculated totals from Heavyweight down to Featherweight so far and there are tons of ties.
If these ties are not broken by the end of Thursday, we will have to have subsequent votes or have the managers of each division have the final say. How should we proceed?

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i personally think each manager should od just their own rankings and the others can object to certain spots for certain fighters because its a bit too much of a long thing to be rating every division each week

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I don't mind this idea. If there is controversy about a managers rankings, maybe then everyone votes on it?

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You only have to rate every division once to set up our inital rankings, after that managers will only be looking afters their own divisions. Maybe if fighters are tied the one who achieved the highest rating could go ahead? We could send a PM to all the managers who still haven't voted? If anyone is stuck rating the divisions you could take a look at the Rings ratings they are pretty good, or copy & paste another managers votes & make the changes you feel are necessary. If everyone could vote on all divisions it could help break some of the ties!