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There are plenty of mexicans let alone other people who still like both Barrera and Morales, maybe not during the height of their rivalry, but that was awhile ago. I would ask you to think; period, but that would be an impossible feat for you to accomplish.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
yea cause a guy who has his id as "ElterribleMORALES" is gonna have Barrera of all people as his favorite fighter...:rolleyes: think before you postQuote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
There was barely a couple minues of boxing so we cant call that domination . I dont think Barrera landed a decent shot on Khan cuz he was blinded but at the end of the fight Khan looked like he had been in a scrap . Imagine if Barrera was able to see where he was landing his punches and Khan couldnt see em coming cuz he was blinded. It would be a totally different fight .
Was rootin for a Khan win so im well chuffed. That said its a real shame about the clash of heads, and thats what it was there was NO HEADBUTT so can we stop all the talk of that. See for yourself here (full fight) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v36TSUVg7Cw
Great shame bout the cut, Marco should have called it quits in the 4th when he had the chance but his pride got the better of him this time i think, Khan looked too quick and slick to get caught. Agree with people saying Khan isnt the bees knees or an elite fighter yet but off that performance you have to put him just outside the top 10 and a great prospect for the future.
Oh yeah wheres Howlin Mad Missy gone eh, least you guys stuck around to take the banter and defend your guy. MAB's no.1 fan has done a runner it seems.
And Barrera was not being dominated prior to the cut anyway. He started as most people would have expected, he was cautious and finding his range. Most of Khans blows were landing on the guard or else Barrera was slipping them.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
There was barely a couple minues of boxing so we cant call that domination . I dont think Barrera landed a decent shot on Khan cuz he was blinded but at the end of the fight Khan looked like he had been in a scrap . Imagine if Barrera was able to see where he was landing his punches and Khan couldnt see em coming cuz he was blinded. It would be a totally different fight .
After the head clash it changed completely, and the clash was the cause of it. Khan would have had a MUCH rougher ride without that break. Bring on a rematch I say, because I'm just not sold at all.
wtf are you on? I'm right here. Want to call me out then take it off the main board and we'll see how you do....:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by 1-hit Wonder
Damn it Miles, stop being such a damn fanboy and making excuses. Clearly that defence was because Barrera was hanging on for dear life because of Khans blistering speed. That or he was about to pass out from blood loss...not sure which?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by milesAnd Barrera was not being dominated prior to the cut anyway. He started as most people would have expected, he was cautious and finding his range. Most of Khans blows were landing on the guard or else Barrera was slipping them.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
There was barely a couple minues of boxing so we cant call that domination . I dont think Barrera landed a decent shot on Khan cuz he was blinded but at the end of the fight Khan looked like he had been in a scrap . Imagine if Barrera was able to see where he was landing his punches and Khan couldnt see em coming cuz he was blinded. It would be a totally different fight .
After the head clash it changed completely, and the clash was the cause of it. Khan would have had a MUCH rougher ride without that break. Bring on a rematch I say, because I'm just not sold at all.
Barrera landed one clean left hook at the end of round three and that was the one thing Barrera was counting on to be able to score a knock down or knock out with the left hook like like Prescott did. Barrera landed maybe 3 nice shots in the entire fight but catching the running rabbit was hard for the old man and Con's hand speed and foot work were the difference in this fight. I am still not impressed with Con and all I can say to his win against Barrera is.... Breidis Prescott :lickish:Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
There was barely a couple minues of boxing so we cant call that domination . I dont think Barrera landed a decent shot on Khan cuz he was blinded but at the end of the fight Khan looked like he had been in a scrap . Imagine if Barrera was able to see where he was landing his punches and Khan couldnt see em coming cuz he was blinded. It would be a totally different fight .
I know I can't help it. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyDamn it Miles, stop being such a damn fanboy and making excuses. Clearly that defence was because Barrera was hanging on for dear life because of Khans blistering speed. That or he was about to pass out from blood loss...not sure which?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by milesAnd Barrera was not being dominated prior to the cut anyway. He started as most people would have expected, he was cautious and finding his range. Most of Khans blows were landing on the guard or else Barrera was slipping them.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
After the head clash it changed completely, and the clash was the cause of it. Khan would have had a MUCH rougher ride without that break. Bring on a rematch I say, because I'm just not sold at all.
To be fair, my only argument is the cut. I have never said that Barrera is old, shot and washed up. I don't believe any of that.
It all rests with what happened in that first round and the clash of heads. It cocked up everything, and not just for Barrera. It also meant Khan's "win" was marred too. Spoiled a fight that we all thought would be exciting, either as a Khan or Barrera fan. I can't see how anyone is satisfied by that. It's a let down for everyone, surely.
Is Khan sitting at home thinking "I kicked Barrera's arse!". I bloody well hope not! Because he didn't quite do that, did he now? :rolleyes:
But, yeah, he got the "all important" win...
I expect so, for a number of reasons that I won't go to now.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
You don't think MAB is old, shot or washed up? Come on...Quote:
Originally Posted by milesI know I can't help it. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyDamn it Miles, stop being such a damn fanboy and making excuses. Clearly that defence was because Barrera was hanging on for dear life because of Khans blistering speed. That or he was about to pass out from blood loss...not sure which?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
To be fair, my only argument is the cut. I have never said that Barrera is old, shot and washed up. I don't believe any of that.
It all rests with what happened in that first round and the clash of heads. It cocked up everything, and not just for Barrera. It also meant Khan's "win" was marred too. Spoiled a fight that we all thought would be exciting, either as a Khan or Barrera fan. I can't see how anyone is satisfied by that. It's a let down for everyone, surely.
Is Khan sitting at home thinking "I kicked Barrera's arse!". I bloody well hope not! Because he didn't quite do that, did he now? :rolleyes:
But, yeah, he got the "all important" win...
You must have known something was up when the fight was announced?
Agree with you on the cut situation Miles, it really was a lose lose situation for both fighters after that. Khan will never get full credit for the win, because lets face it that cut did seriously hamer Barrera and it was too early to tell if Khan would have kept up the form he showed in te first.
For Barrera well things just didnt go his way and its time for the legend to retire with dignity and a fantastic legacy which this loss will do very little to diminish. he should of stayed retired, dont want to see him carry on cus if he does with the form he showed hes never gonna win a lightwrght title unfortunately
Hahaha! ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by onoYou don't think MAB is old, shot or washed up? Come on...Quote:
Originally Posted by milesI know I can't help it. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
To be fair, my only argument is the cut. I have never said that Barrera is old, shot and washed up. I don't believe any of that.
It all rests with what happened in that first round and the clash of heads. It cocked up everything, and not just for Barrera. It also meant Khan's "win" was marred too. Spoiled a fight that we all thought would be exciting, either as a Khan or Barrera fan. I can't see how anyone is satisfied by that. It's a let down for everyone, surely.
Is Khan sitting at home thinking "I kicked Barrera's arse!". I bloody well hope not! Because he didn't quite do that, did he now? :rolleyes:
But, yeah, he got the "all important" win...
You must have known something was up when the fight was announced?
We all know Barrera is getting on but he held his own with JMM and less so with Pac prior to retirement, and came back looking alright against a couple of bums. There was nothing to suggest he was shot, past his best, yes, but not shot. Even now I don't think he is washed up, he was dealt a harsh card in this fight, that was all.
This will cheer you both up. Khan's thoughts...Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyI expect so, for a number of reasons that I won't go to now.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Khan said: "It seemed like I didn't really get out of second gear. I used my brains and boxed him, it seemed so easy. I took him apart, made him look ordinary.
"He was tired and frustrated, you could see it in his face. He didn't want to be in there after three or four rounds. I hurt him a couple of times and won every round.
"If he had stayed in the fight another two or three rounds he would have got knocked out, brutally."
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BBC SPORT | Boxing | Khan set for title fight in 2009
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Originally Posted by FensterThis will cheer you both up. Khan's thoughts...Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyI expect so, for a number of reasons that I won't go to now.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Khan said: "It seemed like I didn't really get out of second gear. I used my brains and boxed him, it seemed so easy. I took him apart, made him look ordinary.
"He was tired and frustrated, you could see it in his face. He didn't want to be in there after three or four rounds. I hurt him a couple of times and won every round.
"If he had stayed in the fight another two or three rounds he would have got knocked out, brutally."
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BBC SPORT | Boxing | Khan set for title fight in 2009
I just don't understand why people don't like:confused:
Please fight Marquez next.:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterThis will cheer you both up. Khan's thoughts...Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyI expect so, for a number of reasons that I won't go to now.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Khan said: "It seemed like I didn't really get out of second gear. I used my brains and boxed him, it seemed so easy. I took him apart, made him look ordinary.
"He was tired and frustrated, you could see it in his face. He didn't want to be in there after three or four rounds. I hurt him a couple of times and won every round.
"If he had stayed in the fight another two or three rounds he would have got knocked out, brutally."
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BBC SPORT | Boxing | Khan set for title fight in 2009
Quotes like that is the reason why people want to see Khan suffer pain and death.
"i would have knocked him out brutally! Yeah right Barreras never been knocked out brutally so what chance has a chinny bum got.
why couldnt he just kept quiet instead of mouthing off
Wnen khan lost everyone gave him shit and it didn't matter why it was he lost....same should go for when he wins, and again it shouldn't matter. The kid is a prospect not a world class fighter and at this point no matter how khan and his people try and convince otherwise that's all he is. And with that khan did his job. A win is always better than a loss. And now all of the sudden barrera was old and shot etc blah blah, i don't necessarily like khan but that isnt' fair. Dont tell me people spent weeks building this up, all these people bought tix and ppv's all cause they wanted to see and old shot fighter they knew was going to loose. It was good enough for everyone to be interested in before the fight so don't totally discredit the guy afterward, or why are we even talking about the fight in the first place. Congrats khan and hell everyone else that won this weekend, you did your job.
I watched it again and thought Khan landed some good punches before the cut. If Khan had the cut instead I think the ref would have stopped it before Barrera knocked him out. If Barrera hadn't been cut he would have been dangerous for the whole twelve rounds. He might have lost every round but KO'd Khan in the twelfth. And he's a short, slowing, old guy whose best days were fighting at a stone lighter than he was on Saturday. Put Khan in against somebody who can punch the weight and he's going to get tagged at some point no matter how fast he is and how careful he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
There was barely a couple minues of boxing so we cant call that domination . I dont think Barrera landed a decent shot on Khan cuz he was blinded but at the end of the fight Khan looked like he had been in a scrap . Imagine if Barrera was able to see where he was landing his punches and Khan couldnt see em coming cuz he was blinded. It would be a totally different fight .
I'm watching the fight again and you could hear a pin drop in the thired, fourth rounds at some points. It seems like the arena was pro-MAB. Is that right, people who were there?
I was there and yes the crowd were pro Mab . When they announced Khan was the winner the crowd threw beer in disgust . When I watched it back hardly anything was made of the headbutt . Jim Watt and Ian were bumming Khan like biased Brits as if the cut had nothing to do with the result .Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingI watched it again and thought Khan landed some good punches before the cut. If Khan had the cut instead I think the ref would have stopped it before Barrera knocked him out. If Barrera hadn't been cut he would have been dangerous for the whole twelve rounds. He might have lost every round but KO'd Khan in the twelfth. And he's a short, slowing, old guy whose best days were fighting at a stone lighter than he was on Saturday. Put Khan in against somebody who can punch the weight and he's going to get tagged at some point no matter how fast he is and how careful he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
There was barely a couple minues of boxing so we cant call that domination . I dont think Barrera landed a decent shot on Khan cuz he was blinded but at the end of the fight Khan looked like he had been in a scrap . Imagine if Barrera was able to see where he was landing his punches and Khan couldnt see em coming cuz he was blinded. It would be a totally different fight .
I'm watching the fight again and you could hear a pin drop in the thired, fourth rounds at some points. It seems like the arena was pro-MAB. Is that right, people who were there?
He'll get caught eventually when he gets in the ring with a proper lightweight and we can all laugh at him again. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEI was there and yes the crowd were pro Mab . When they announced Khan was the winner the crowd threw beer in disgust . When I watched it back hardly anything was made of the headbutt . Jim Watt and Ian were bumming Khan like biased Brits as if the cut had nothing to do with the result .Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingI watched it again and thought Khan landed some good punches before the cut. If Khan had the cut instead I think the ref would have stopped it before Barrera knocked him out. If Barrera hadn't been cut he would have been dangerous for the whole twelve rounds. He might have lost every round but KO'd Khan in the twelfth. And he's a short, slowing, old guy whose best days were fighting at a stone lighter than he was on Saturday. Put Khan in against somebody who can punch the weight and he's going to get tagged at some point no matter how fast he is and how careful he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
I'm watching the fight again and you could hear a pin drop in the thired, fourth rounds at some points. It seems like the arena was pro-MAB. Is that right, people who were there?
This is why I hate when a fight ends on a headbut cut,you never know who really won.
One guy cant see
go suck on one of Pretty Boy's nuts dude, honestlyQuote:
Originally Posted by TaethThere are plenty of mexicans let alone other people who still like both Barrera and Morales, maybe not during the height of their rivalry, but that was awhile ago. I would ask you to think; period, but that would be an impossible feat for you to accomplish.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyea cause a guy who has his id as "ElterribleMORALES" is gonna have Barrera of all people as his favorite fighter...:rolleyes: think before you postQuote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Junior Jones did quite the number on him, even though it was ruled a DQ cause of Barrera's corner, and that was a prime Barrera at thatQuote:
Originally Posted by GAME
Khan fought a very good fight.
I think the cut did affect Barrera but i doubt he would of done much better than what he did.
I knew Khan's superior speed and clear size advantage would be too much for the current Barrera to handle.
I would like Barrera to retire. He has nothing else to prove.
That wasnt brutalQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesJunior Jones did quite the number on him, even though it was ruled a DQ cause of Barrera's corner, and that was a prime Barrera at thatQuote:
Originally Posted by GAME
I call Pac - Morales 3 brutal ;)
Not really...Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
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As you can see, MAB rocked Khan really good with prolly his best shots there. Khan proved that he progressed technically under Freddie Roach, but he still has pretty shitty chin.
And also, MAB failed to carry his strenght at 135. Fighting Khan just proved that.
yea against a shot Morales ;), plus i'd say although the TKO came sooner, Pac's 1st win over Morales was a hell of a lot more impressive and a hell of alot more brutalQuote:
Originally Posted by GAMEThat wasnt brutalQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesJunior Jones did quite the number on him, even though it was ruled a DQ cause of Barrera's corner, and that was a prime Barrera at thatQuote:
Originally Posted by GAME
I call Pac - Morales 3 brutal ;)
simply said don't make bullshit excuses, Barrera lost, it wasn't a prime Barrera or anything close to it, i'd say Barrera is in just as bad condition as Morales, and neither should continue fighting
Khan's comments as posted by Fenster show a complete lack of class. To say he would have knocked out Barrera "brutally" within two or three rounds is bullshit. Khan could have said that the win was flawed and given Barrera credit for fighting through the toughest adversity, but no, he talks up himself and talks down Barrera.
No, I think I do dislike Khan. I was trying to be reasonable but when you hear comments like that?? Well, screw him. His attitude sucks and he's heading for a KO loss sooner rather than later. I would rather be a hater than a fan of someone like that. Anyway, we all know Warren will milk the salivating UK public for 2 more easy PPV's first. :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyea against a shot Morales ;), plus i'd say although the TKO came sooner, Pac's 1st win over Morales was a hell of a lot more impressive and a hell of alot more brutalQuote:
Originally Posted by GAMEThat wasnt brutalQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I call Pac - Morales 3 brutal ;)
simply said don't make bullshit excuses, Barrera lost, it wasn't a prime Barrera or anything close to it, i'd say Barrera is in just as bad condition as Morales, and neither should continue fighting
Thats what Im saying I dont think he did. The fight was stopped because of a cut . The cut was caused by a head butt not punches therefore . Barrera wasnt beaten .
i said on here after the fight we wuld have to put up with the cr*p coming out of the Khan camp and here we are. This is totaly distasteful to a legend and more reason why i cannot stand him and hope wish and cannot wait for him to be ko sooner rather then later.:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyea against a shot Morales ;), plus i'd say although the TKO came sooner, Pac's 1st win over Morales was a hell of a lot more impressive and a hell of alot more brutalQuote:
Originally Posted by GAME
simply said don't make bullshit excuses, Barrera lost, it wasn't a prime Barrera or anything close to it, i'd say Barrera is in just as bad condition as Morales, and neither should continue fighting
Thats what Im saying I dont think he did. The fight was stopped because of a cut . The cut was caused by a head butt not punches therefore . Barrera wasnt beaten .
It's not just the fans either. I have been reading a lot of the reports of the fight in the UK media, and so many of them are taking this win as having some kind of meaning. Where do these writers earn their knocks?? It is totally absurd and I cannot believe the nonsense being spouted.Quote:
Originally Posted by chipi said on here after the fight we wuld have to put up with the cr*p coming out of the Khan camp and here we are. This is totaly distasteful to a legend and more reason why i cannot stand him and hope wish and cannot wait for him to be ko sooner rather then later.:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Thats what Im saying I dont think he did. The fight was stopped because of a cut . The cut was caused by a head butt not punches therefore . Barrera wasnt beaten .
Barrera has been cast aside as an old has been, and Khan as the new arising hero. Total and utter bollocks! That was a freak fight and not a reflection on anything meaningful.