Is Miguel Cotto too BIG for Pacquiao?

I don't think the body size matters.

I think it's down to other elements here.

I feel Pac is a bit more well rounded fighter then Cotto.
While Cotto does have a better jab, Pacs got speed and vice versa they both have things they are better then the other.

In the end I think Cottos too patient and is too relaxed someone like Pac who punches in bunches and is busy throughout the fight can overwhelm him and pin him on the ropes.

I also believe Pac has the power to hurt, drop and possibly TKO, Cotto.

If the fight is at 140 Cotto would be disadvantaged and would probabaly have a less than 50:50 chance.

But at 147, I do not think Pacman will have enough power to knock Cotto out. I see it 55:45 in favor of Cotto.

That is coming from a confirmed Pacman nuthugger since Pacman Barrera 1.

Pac should face off against valuev next. He'd probably ko the giant.

:-\ I dont want to play this game haha ;D Ive already said dela hoya is way too big and already said hatton would be too big and strong...the prick has proven me wrong every single time. Cottos chin aint granite and it pacs power and speed might be enough to make cotto weary and could cause him to be gun shy leading to a pac victory by tko. Its just too hard to say now, pac just looks so god damn small but the cunt can punch.

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That hasn't been proven and probably never will...
Other than Margarito like Quintana,Torres and Judah etc. have hurt him.
Pacquiao hits harder then them and bricks.:D

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Cotto dominated Quintana, Torres wobbled him the worse of the 3 and went on to prove he's got REAL power at 140, and Judah hurt him 2 times then got his ass handed to him, the hardest puncher that Cotto has fought was Mosley and he took his shots just fine, Pacquiao doesn't punch anywhere as hard as Mosley

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I don't remember Mosley stopping Oscar. Mosley does hit hard, but I see Pacquiao because of the punches he throws hurting Cotto worse than Mosley ever would.

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that's because Mosley fought Oscar while DLH was still in his prime, unlike Pacquiao, the DLH that Mosley beat at 147 wouldn't have been stopped by the Manny of now either, Mosley has taken out dudes that weigh above 147 though, so yea Shane does have power

Mosley has power, but he also doesn't, he never hurt Cotto, the only time Cotto lost balance was on a slick spot where MOsley slipped on later in the fight. While Judah was able to hurt or stun Cotto 3ish times, once late pretty badly. Mosley sure didn't show much power when he fought Collazo, He was throwing arm punches. He tends to load up so there is a ton of force but his punches are easier to see coming. Pacquiao's pretty much teleport into your face with surprising power, and unlike Mosley Pacquiao can throw hurting combinations, which we haven't seen from Mosley since he was at 135. Last, but not least Pacquiao can hurt you at range, and unless you are Margarito Mosley usually has a pretty difficult time getting off at range.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

Mosley has power, but he also doesn't, he never hurt Cotto, the only time Cotto lost balance was on a slick spot where MOsley slipped on later in the fight. While Judah was able to hurt or stun Cotto 3ish times, once late pretty badly. Mosley sure didn't show much power when he fought Collazo, He was throwing arm punches. He tends to load up so there is a ton of force but his punches are easier to see coming. Pacquiao's pretty much teleport into your face with surprising power, and unlike Mosley Pacquiao can throw hurting combinations, which we haven't seen from Mosley since he was at 135. Last, but not least Pacquiao can hurt you at range, and unless you are Margarito Mosley usually has a pretty difficult time getting off at range.

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well Collazo has a hell of a chin and the only time i've seen him down was against Hatton, and he wasn't seriously hurt, he knocked Vargas out cold with one single punch in the rematch, and also the Mayorga fight showed 2 things, he can KO you with a single punch and he has power the full 12 rounds

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Originally Posted by Fenster

I agree with Taeth.

When you consider Cotto doesn't have the greatest chin, Pac has the power and most importantly the speed to give him nightmares.

A year ago I would have thought it was ridiculous, but now I would make Pac the favourite. Amazing. :-\

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Cotto doesn't have a CHIN!!??

You must be joking. I have seen him rocked, too, but he has been in there with the biggest punchers of today and stood in the furnace! It's not like Margarito "caught him" with 1 shot. It's not like Mosley never had his moments in their fight... Everyone has landed some big shots, but nobody but plaster hands could finish him off.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

Mosley has power, but he also doesn't, he never hurt Cotto, the only time Cotto lost balance was on a slick spot where MOsley slipped on later in the fight. While Judah was able to hurt or stun Cotto 3ish times, once late pretty badly. Mosley sure didn't show much power when he fought Collazo, He was throwing arm punches. He tends to load up so there is a ton of force but his punches are easier to see coming. Pacquiao's pretty much teleport into your face with surprising power, and unlike Mosley Pacquiao can throw hurting combinations, which we haven't seen from Mosley since he was at 135. Last, but not least Pacquiao can hurt you at range, and unless you are Margarito Mosley usually has a pretty difficult time getting off at range.

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What fight were u watching?? You are WRONG! Mosley chased Cotto around the ring for all of the 9th round! Cotto was reeling. He happened to land some counter shots when Mosley was rushing in, and that was all that saved him. If Mosley had taken his time coming in when he had him hurt, the story would have been different.

I don't see this fight being made before Manny-Floyd. Like people already said this is just Arum starting negotiations on the Manny-Floyd money split.

Last time I check, speed still kill.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

Mosley has power, but he also doesn't, he never hurt Cotto, the only time Cotto lost balance was on a slick spot where MOsley slipped on later in the fight. While Judah was able to hurt or stun Cotto 3ish times, once late pretty badly. Mosley sure didn't show much power when he fought Collazo, He was throwing arm punches. He tends to load up so there is a ton of force but his punches are easier to see coming. Pacquiao's pretty much teleport into your face with surprising power, and unlike Mosley Pacquiao can throw hurting combinations, which we haven't seen from Mosley since he was at 135. Last, but not least Pacquiao can hurt you at range, and unless you are Margarito Mosley usually has a pretty difficult time getting off at range.

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What fight were u watching?? You are WRONG! Mosley chased Cotto around the ring for all of the 9th round! Cotto was reeling. He happened to land some counter shots when Mosley was rushing in, and that was all that saved him. If Mosley had taken his time coming in when he had him hurt, the story would have been different.

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The same one that I've seen 40 times, Cotto was already moving around before the time he was allegedly hurt from Mosley because he had a hard time breathing with blood in his mouth. Cotto even stated later he decided to box so he wouldn't get caught with anything big. He wasn't badly hurt, Watch the Corley or Torres fight, or even against Judah and you will see Cotto hurt, that slip was just that, A slip. How about you actually watch the fight and see Mosley slip in that exact same spot.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

I agree with Taeth.

When you consider Cotto doesn't have the greatest chin, Pac has the power and most importantly the speed to give him nightmares.

A year ago I would have thought it was ridiculous, but now I would make Pac the favourite. Amazing. :-\

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Cotto doesn't have a CHIN!!??

You must be joking. I have seen him rocked, too, but he has been in there with the biggest punchers of today and stood in the furnace! It's not like Margarito "caught him" with 1 shot. It's not like Mosley never had his moments in their fight... Everyone has landed some big shots, but nobody but plaster hands could finish him off.

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Nobody said Cotto doesn't have achin, he just said he doesn't have the greatest chin, which he doesn't. Live with it.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

Mosley has power, but he also doesn't, he never hurt Cotto, the only time Cotto lost balance was on a slick spot where MOsley slipped on later in the fight. While Judah was able to hurt or stun Cotto 3ish times, once late pretty badly. Mosley sure didn't show much power when he fought Collazo, He was throwing arm punches. He tends to load up so there is a ton of force but his punches are easier to see coming. Pacquiao's pretty much teleport into your face with surprising power, and unlike Mosley Pacquiao can throw hurting combinations, which we haven't seen from Mosley since he was at 135. Last, but not least Pacquiao can hurt you at range, and unless you are Margarito Mosley usually has a pretty difficult time getting off at range.

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well Collazo has a hell of a chin and the only time i've seen him down was against Hatton, and he wasn't seriously hurt, he knocked Vargas out cold with one single punch in the rematch, and also the Mayorga fight showed 2 things, he can KO you with a single punch and he has power the full 12 rounds

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Like against Hatton, Collazo was caught off balance when Mosley landed that punch, Collazo didn't seem hurt by that shot. IMO the only time I've seen COllazo hurt is when Berto stunned him with a body shot in the 12th round.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

I agree with Taeth.

When you consider Cotto doesn't have the greatest chin, Pac has the power and most importantly the speed to give him nightmares.

A year ago I would have thought it was ridiculous, but now I would make Pac the favourite. Amazing. :-\

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Cotto doesn't have a CHIN!!??

You must be joking. I have seen him rocked, too, but he has been in there with the biggest punchers of today and stood in the furnace! It's not like Margarito "caught him" with 1 shot. It's not like Mosley never had his moments in their fight... Everyone has landed some big shots, but nobody but plaster hands could finish him off.

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Torres tagged him pretty good too.

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Originally Posted by snakey

:-\ I dont want to play this game haha ;D Ive already said dela hoya is way too big and already said hatton would be too big and strong...the prick has proven me wrong every single time. Cottos chin aint granite and it pacs power and speed might be enough to make cotto weary and could cause him to be gun shy leading to a pac victory by tko. Its just too hard to say now, pac just looks so god damn small but the cunt can punch.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

No way, but is Pacquiao too fast for Cotto, yes. It doesn't matter how big Cotto is if he doesn't have the footspeed to catch Pacman. Pacquiao still has more than enough power to hurt Cotto. I can't believe people still haven't learned that yet on here :/.

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Exactly what i think. How many time did PAC destroyed a supposedly bigger and stronger man?

He's speed is lethal he doesnt use it for defensive purposes but for attacking and destroying opponents. Cotto is bigger but will he able to avoid the onslaught that pac is gonna dish on him with those blinding combinations?

If the left cross that Corley( less than 148lbs ) landed on Cotto (Almost 160lbs) made miguel's legs looks like spaghetti..How would the same punch ( See Hatton fight) do to miguel?

at 148 (fight night) PAC still look muscled ( Look at the pic where pac went to hatton). 150 to 152 wont affect him that much.


I think Pac can win this.

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No way, but is Pacquiao too fast for Cotto, yes. It doesn't matter how big Cotto is if he doesn't have the footspeed to catch Pacman. Pacquiao still has more than enough power to hurt Cotto. I can't believe people still haven't learned that yet on here :/.

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Exactly what i think. How many time did PAC destroyed a supposedly bigger and stronger man?

He's speed is lethal he doesnt use it for defensive purposes but for attacking and destroying opponents. Cotto is bigger but will he able to avoid the onslaught that pac is gonna dish on him with those blinding combinations?

If the left cross that Corley( less than 148lbs ) landed on Cotto (Almost 160lbs) made miguel's legs looks like spaghetti..How would the same punch ( See Hatton fight) do to miguel?

at 148 (fight night) PAC still look muscled ( Look at the pic where pac went to hatton). 150 to 152 wont affect him that much.


I think Pac can win this.

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it became obvious after the Malignaggi fight, that Cotto would get wobbled so bad at 140 mainly cause he was killing himself to make the weight, not so much that he had a bad chin, Torres turned out to be one of if not the most explosive puncher at the weight, IMO it's Bailey, but i'd have Torres and Urango in my top 3 as far as power punchers are concerned

if thay fight at 140 pacman wins.

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if thay fight at 140 pacman wins.

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no way Cotto goes down to 140

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

it became obvious after the Malignaggi fight, that Cotto would get wobbled so bad at 140 mainly cause he was killing himself to make the weight, not so much that he had a bad chin, Torres turned out to be one of if not the most explosive puncher at the weight, IMO it's Bailey, but i'd have Torres and Urango in my top 3 as far as power punchers are concerned

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Cotto might survive a left hook from Pac but can he withstand the onslaught after he get shaken? Im sure Pac wont go to the body like what corley did. Pac is a finisher only JMM has survived after hitting the deck.

If he can solve pac's movement then Cotto might get the job done. but its very very unlikely.

For real though, how many times does Manny have to beat guys bigger than him?

People said Oscar at 154 would be way too big for Mayweather regardless of his defensive skill, and the first punch landed would cause him to crumple in the wind. I am sorry, but 20 pounds doesn't make the same difference 80 pounds makes. I could see Mike Tyson or Tua crumpling Mayweather with one punch, but not Cotto.

As a heavyweight I fight guys who are 40 pounds heavier than me, and sometimes they have way less power than light heavyweights.

Coto is bigger, younger, tougher than Pacman. I guess at 147 it will be a close and bloody battle, and in my guess it will end up on a controversial SD or a draw.

But pac as we all know has the ability to adapt/evolve depending on his opponents. That makes him a very unpredictable fighter thats hard to pin down from a game plan.

So I still give a very slight edge on Pac. :p

i love pac-attack.......and cotto....i think cotto would be to big in close, but pac-attack is a class act...and you never no with the little fella, i'd rather it dont happen just in case pac gets caught and the auro goes......i'd rather cotto take out money mayweather

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Coto is bigger, younger, tougher than Pacman. I guess at 147 it will be a close and bloody battle, and in my guess it will end up on a controversial SD or a draw.

But pac as we all know has the ability to adapt/evolve depending on his opponents. That makes him a very unpredictable fighter thats hard to pin down from a game plan.

So I still give a very slight edge on Pac. :p

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How is Cotto tougher than Pacman, I don't see how his durability is any better, his chin certainly isn't. Pacquiao has a world class chin.

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I agree with Taeth.

When you consider Cotto doesn't have the greatest chin, Pac has the power and most importantly the speed to give him nightmares.

A year ago I would have thought it was ridiculous, but now I would make Pac the favourite. Amazing. :-\

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Cotto doesn't have a CHIN!!??

You must be joking. I have seen him rocked, too, but he has been in there with the biggest punchers of today and stood in the furnace! It's not like Margarito "caught him" with 1 shot. It's not like Mosley never had his moments in their fight... Everyone has landed some big shots, but nobody but plaster hands could finish him off.

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Not just loaded gloves hurt him. Corley and Torres turned him into a staggering drunk.

He doesn't have a china chin but he doesn't have a granite one either. Lesser fighters than Pac have hurt him, so it's reasonable to think Pac could.

Pacquiao will kill Cotto at catch weight "143-144 pounds"!

On 147 Ibs will be more challenging in both parties. But I still see Pacquiao winning. WHY?

SPEED KILLS!!! and Cotto is a slow boxer. ;D

Check this out --> YouTube - [ HD ] Manny PACMAN Pacquiao Highlights Music Video Remix by Mandirigmangkaluluwa

I'd like to go on the record now and say if Pac fights Cotto at 147, Cotto ruins him!! ;)

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Pacquiao will kill Cotto at catch weight "143-144 pounds"!

On 147 Ibs will be more challenging in both parties. But I still see Pacquiao winning. WHY?

SPEED KILLS!!! and Cotto is a slow boxer. ;D

Check this out --> YouTube - [ HD ] Manny PACMAN Pacquiao Highlights Music Video Remix by Mandirigmangkaluluwa

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Cotto's no Pacquiao when it comes to speed, but he's not slow by any means, i'd go so far to say that Cotto's timing is better than Manny's, and his jab would give Manny fits, and unlike Morales did in the last round of their first fight, Cotto can effectively fight in southpaw and orthodox stance, which IMO could give Pacquiao probs as well

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Cotto's no Pacquiao when it comes to speed, but he's not slow by any means, i'd go so far to say that Cotto's timing is better than Manny's, and his jab would give Manny fits, and unlike Morales did in the last round of their first fight, Cotto can effectively fight in southpaw and orthodox stance, which IMO could give Pacquiao probs as well

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If you can remember Juan manuel Marquez has a razor sharp jab. better than Cotto IMO. but did he used it in fight 2? NO he abandoned it w/c is the right thing to do because it almost nullfies the righthook from pac.

Cotto's Jab wont be much of a factor againts Pacquio. if cotto relies on it. Pac's speed and movement will help out in landing a lot of right hook.

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it became obvious after the Malignaggi fight, that Cotto would get wobbled so bad at 140 mainly cause he was killing himself to make the weight, not so much that he had a bad chin, Torres turned out to be one of if not the most explosive puncher at the weight, IMO it's Bailey, but i'd have Torres and Urango in my top 3 as far as power punchers are concerned

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Cotto might survive a left hook from Pac but can he withstand the onslaught after he get shaken? Im sure Pac wont go to the body like what corley did. Pac is a finisher only JMM has survived after hitting the deck.

If he can solve pac's movement then Cotto might get the job done. but its very very unlikely.

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Cotto's been rocked by bigger punchers than Manny and has recovered well and quite quickly at that, he's a lot more technically sound than most give him credit for and has adapted well in every fight, IMO his footwork is better than Manny's and he's a natural welterweight, the real question is, will Manny be able to keep coming forward when a true welter backs him up by boxing and not just bum rushing him like Hatton did, don't think in anyway that Pacquiao/Hatton is any indicator of how a Pacquiao/Cotto fight would go

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Cotto's no Pacquiao when it comes to speed, but he's not slow by any means, i'd go so far to say that Cotto's timing is better than Manny's, and his jab would give Manny fits, and unlike Morales did in the last round of their first fight, Cotto can effectively fight in southpaw and orthodox stance, which IMO could give Pacquiao probs as well

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If you can remember Juan manuel Marquez has a razor sharp jab. better than Cotto IMO. but did he used it in fight 2? NO he abandoned it w/c is the right thing to do because it almost nullfies the righthook from pac.

Cotto's Jab wont much of a factor againts Pacquio. if cotto relies on it. Pac's speed and movement will help out in landing a lot of right hook.

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Cotto doesn't abandon his jab, that's the difference and IMO Marquez beat Manny in the rematch, and Marquez doesn't have the power that Cotto does, if Pacquiao said that Hatton hit hard, then he'll sure as hell feel Cotto's power, no use in arguing the fight, seeing how it's not gonna get made, people are starting to let the Hatton win go to their heads with such stupid remarks as "a fight against Cotto would be an onslaught in favor of Manny" or "Manny should fight Mosley as a tune up", i'm not saying Pacquiao doesn't have a chance in beating both, but neither one of them is Hatton, both have a hell of a lot more when it comes to boxing ability and both are naturally bigger and stronger men than Hatton, Pacquiao will fight the winner of JMM/PBF

How can you compare their footwork? Manny has faster footwork and Cotto has better balance, but fighting off balance is part of why Pacquiao gets so much power because he puts everything into his left hand.

Cotto is another one of my favorite fighters, but look how easily people ahve landed on him, you can't get away with that against Manny because he won't be landing back at a higher enough rate. Cotto isn't slow with his hands by any means, but his footspeed is really slow because he is always set to punch and he just seems to tight in the bottom half of his body. Cotto has great timing, but you can't argue its better than Manny's, only Marquez has outtimed Manny, and Marquez is much faster and a better pure boxer than Cotto, maybe easier to hit cleanly for conventional fighters, but much faster to the mark than even Cotto is. Also he didn't really outtime Pacquiao that much in their last fight. Cotto showed great timing against Mosley, but he also showed that if a guy with Judah like speed(which pacquiao has) actually wants to throw punches that they can land, and hurt him, but unlike Judah, Manny stops fighters he hurts them(except Marquez).

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

Moving from 122. Featherweight Champ Marco Antonio Barrera might be too good and too big for Pac

Erik Morales was too good and big for Pac in the 1st fight**

David Diaz might be too big for Pac

Oscar Dela Hoya is TOO BIG for Pac

Ricky Hatton might be too big for Pac


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Is Miguel Cotto too big for Manny Pacquiao?

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Hello no, bring on Klitschko, bring on Valuev! The Pacman has defied all logic in with what he has achieved, Cotto would be have to fight a very smart fight to beat Pacquiao. It's Mayweather V Pacquiao that holds the real interest for me.

Fighting Manny Pacquiao will put you on a defensive move. And your offense will evaporate. Manny Pacquiao can hit you MULTIPLE TIMES in a blink of an eye and PACMAN punches have POWER to drop you in the canvas. I watch Miguel Cotto fights and he is way behind Manny Pacquiao SPEED!

Miguel Cotto have Power but no speed

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Manny Pacquiao have SPEED that can become POWER when he hits you. FYI: LEFT AND RIGHT hands http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...cons/icon7.gif

Manny Pacquiao is a complete fighter:
- SPEED
- POWER
- FOOTWORK
- HEAD MOVEMENT
- STRONG BODY
- GREAT CHIN
- OFFENSE CONVERTED TO DEFENSE
name it! Complete Package...

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Fighting Manny Pacquiao will put you on a defensive move. And your offense will evaporate. Manny Pacquiao can hit you MULTIPLE TIMES in a blink of an eye and PACMAN punches have POWER to drop you in the canvas. I watch Miguel Cotto fights and he is way behind Manny Pacquiao SPEED!

Miguel Cotto have Power but no speed

and

Manny Pacquiao have SPEED that can become POWER when he hits you. FYI: LEFT AND RIGHT hands http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...cons/icon7.gif

Manny Pacquiao is a complete fighter:
- SPEED
- POWER
- FOOTWORK
- HEAD MOVEMENT
- STRONG BODY
- GREAT CHIN
- OFFENSE CONVERTED TO DEFENSE
name it! Complete Package...

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Manny like every other boxer has flaws, one is when he leaps back he keeps his head straight up, IMO Cotto is a better strategist than Manny, and both of them have power in both hands, Cotto has a better jab than Manny, the monster left hook and a very good straight right and uppercut, Manny has a very nice right hook, awesome straight left, and he's working on his uppers, but when it comes to infighting i think Cotto has the edge, and when it comes to actual boxing, i'd say Cotto also has the edge

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I seriously think Cotto destroys Pac at 147

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Although the avitar you chose is admirable - unless its a drag queen - you are delusional to think Cotto destroys Pacquiao at 147lbs. I think Pac will take him out under 6 rounds.

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I seriously think Cotto destroys Pac at 147

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Although the avitar you chose is admirable - unless its a drag queen - you are delusional to think Cotto destroys Pacquiao at 147lbs. I think Pac will take him out under 6 rounds.

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i think the delusional one is you bud, Cotto is no Hatton

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I seriously think Cotto destroys Pac at 147

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Although the avitar you chose is admirable - unless its a drag queen - you are delusional to think Cotto destroys Pacquiao at 147lbs. I think Pac will take him out under 6 rounds.

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i think the delusional one is you bud, Cotto is no Hatton

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Agreed. Hatton fought stupid. End of. One of the most stupid fights ever seen.

Cotto would be different.

I originally got this from a Cotto fan...;)

"Cotto's weaknesses are PAC's strengths..." ;D

I voted for Cotto, and was surprised at how close the voting is (24-23 Pacquiao). Hell... that means the interest should be HUGE for this fight to happen. Not looking past Clottey here, but... LET'S GET IT ON!!!