Pacquiao Orders Arum To Make Cotto Bout, Nov. 14

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Originally Posted by mnmc10

i prefer mosley pac or pbf pac too... maybe im just asking too much from pac fighting above his limit. as ive said duran is naturally bigger than pac and duran doesnt rely too much on speed he is slugger unlike pac who relies so much on his speed and workrate. duran is btw may fave fighter b4 pac.

if pac chickened out atleast he is set to fight a bigger guy unlike the other fighter who is set to fight a much smaller fighter and is going to fight a much much smaller calderon! ehehehehehe whats lower than a chicken?

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Floyd did go up to fight Oscar. But otherwise he hasn't fought a top WW since about 1874. And I don't include Zab Judah because he is a tea cake. Floys is indeed very annoying these days. Pac would probably have to go down in weight for a Floyd v Pac fight to ever happen! :vd:

They are all annoying and make my head want to explode into tiny little fragments. Catch weight this and that with Manny and Floyd with his "I'll never fight a man the same size as me" schtick. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by Phil

excuse my ignorance but I thought PAC-Mosley was pretty much done,
what happened there?

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Pac turned :chick07mj8:.

Shame really because it's a quality matchup.

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I really think Mosley would destroy Pac. Mosley is a big Welter Weight, who has been in with people as big as Winky, I think he would beat Pac down.

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Pac would only win if Mosley has lost a step. Otherwise, I totally agree. He's a big WW and has handspeed too. And a chin that seldom buzzes. He would beat up Manny if he still has everything in place. I'm not liking the length of Mosleys inactivity at this time in his career though. He's waiting and waiting for a fight and none are clicking into place. A bit frustrating.

Probably this will be the important fight terms:
- Fight at a catchweight of 144 lbs.
- 60/40 purse split of the $24 million pot in favor of PAC
- PAC getting $14M and Cotto getting close to $10M purse
- PAC using Cleto Reyes gloves
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Agree with Miles, the cut severly hampered Cotto yet it was his opponent looking for a cheap way out. Clottey and Marg are also very different fighters to Pac, Cotto WILL be back to seek and destroy mode against the smaller opponent.

Huge props for Pac if he takes this at 147, even at 145 if Cotto's team are quoted to be happy with it.

Pac has the speed to cause Cotto problems, and the power to keep him honest, but Im positive that if Cotto does start landing to the body that Pac is in for a real rough night.

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Originally Posted by mnmc10

duran started at 118 according to boxrec :) pac on the other hand started at 106. thats a 12lb difference duran to me looks like big boned and bulkier than pac.

pac is actually fighting over his limit, its just that there are no opponents with quality for him to fight at lower weights. and the big money is on the higher weights thats why pacs team is pushing every bit just to make it a more even match.

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rubbish. I should neg rep you for posting crap.

they're not looking for an even anything, they're looking for every physical and mental advantage they can for their man at the risk of someone else.
If Roach gave a shit he'd say manny can't fight above this weight that's final. Not well I know this guy will be dead at the weight so it's ok for manny for move up and fight him but we're not going to fight anyone live.

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by mnmc10

i prefer mosley pac or pbf pac too... maybe im just asking too much from pac fighting above his limit. as ive said duran is naturally bigger than pac and duran doesnt rely too much on speed he is slugger unlike pac who relies so much on his speed and workrate. duran is btw may fave fighter b4 pac.

if pac chickened out atleast he is set to fight a bigger guy unlike the other fighter who is set to fight a much smaller fighter and is going to fight a much much smaller calderon! ehehehehehe whats lower than a chicken?

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Floyd did go up to fight Oscar. But otherwise he hasn't fought a top WW since about 1874. And I don't include Zab Judah because he is a tea cake. Floys is indeed very annoying these days. Pac would probably have to go down in weight for a Floyd v Pac fight to ever happen! :vd:

They are all annoying and make my head want to explode into tiny little fragments. Catch weight this and that with Manny and Floyd with his "I'll never fight a man the same size as me" schtick. :rolleyes:

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This is a great post. I sure wonder when does Mayweather fight a good welterweight not named Baldomir?:)A catch weight is a b-itch move to handicapped the other fighter.

Btw if 147 is too much for Manny then fine just fight where he's comfortable at, no one will say anything, but these catch weights for other titles at higher weight classes reminds me of Leonard-Lalonde.

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by XaduBoxer

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Originally Posted by miles

I think people are overreacting. Cotto suffered a nasty cut that impaired his vision. Even Amir Khan was able to look good after assaulting Barrera's head with an axe. Cuts can make a difference in a fight and it did here too.

Cotto would probably bust Pac up even now. It's interesting hearing all this talk about Cotto being past his best because I really don't think he is. I would really like to see Manny walk through half a dozen Cotto body shots unscathed.

Bring it on, I say. I'm getting sick of the little midget and his big mouthed trainer.

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Word of advice mate... Be prepared to get sick more...;D
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Haha! I shall copiously vomit all over the place. Might even include a bit of projectile puking in for good measure. :D

I'm just cynical. People are saying Cotto is past it and here is Manny saying let's have a Cotto fight. Get out there and fight Mosley, you little poof! I'm not into this looking for weaknesses and then trying to make the match nonsense. I want the best to fight the best. Mosley is a cracking fight and it's a shame they won't fight him.

I hope Cotto has plenty left and beats him up. And let's not go into this catcweight of 141 and quarter pounds rubbish. You want a WW, well go up to WW and fight him. I'm sick of this pansified drivel. :rolleyes:

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I would rather see Manny fight the top ww's at 144 than the junior ww's because he already knocked the #1 jr. ww out and the other junior ww's aren't as captivating as the current ww's.

Although if they are going to say the fight is at ww, it has to be actually at 147.

Why would he fight Mosely - a tougher, bigger fighter who lacks a fan base and who already lost to Cotto? With Cotto, he makes more money and takes less risk. It's a no-brainer. Cotto had MSG filled to capacity.

To be honest this is a poor financial/business move to fight Cotto for Pacman's camp, if this is true. Considering Cotto is a dangerous opponent and won't draw as many as PPV buys, sponsorships, advertisements, endorsements if he were to fight Floyd. If I was in Pacman's camp I would have Manny fight a safe fight to keep him active, he can fight 1 of the top 10 guys at Jr. Welterweight and then wait for Floyd to beat Marquez and then have negotiations and then a showdown. Floyd is being hounded by Uncle Sam for back taxes and knows the biggest money making fight out there is with Pacman.

A fight with Floyd will not only draw all of the Boxing fans but will also reel in the average sports fan and general public. It even has a chance to surpass the 2.4 million buys of DLH-Mayweather in terms of PPV.

Pacman is hot right now, but if he were to lose to Cotto, say bye bye to a humongous payday with Floyd, because he will be damaged goods in the eyes of people. And Floyd-Pacman is what many boxing fans, sports fans, and general public wants to see.

I agree that Pac-PBF fight is what boxing fans are craving for. But its Mayweather's camp that is preventing that from happening. Pacquiao is the hot item right and not PBF. People with common sense can easily tell that how top fighters has been calling out the pacman. The poor PBF ticket sales is the strong evident of that too. So agree with the 60/40 split Floyd and lets make the fight happen!

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Originally Posted by Quinito

I agree that Pac-PBF fight is what boxing fans are craving for. But its Mayweather's camp that is preventing that from happening. Pacquiao is the hot item right and not PBF. People with common sense can easily tell that how top fighters has been calling out the pacman. The poor PBF ticket sales is the strong evident of that too. So agree with the 60/40 split Floyd and lets make the fight happen!

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on saturdays performance id have to believe cotto is going to struggle desperately with someone like pacquiao/marquez and should probably just stick to trying to get a rematch with margarito.

Cotto on his day can be awesome but he`s last 3 outings have been decidingly dodgy and there are rightfully big question marks over whether cotto still has it in him anymore!!!

Cotto is wayyyyy over-rated. His record screams cautious and his much vaunted dominance of 147 has never really happened has it?

He's tailor made for Pac and I don't see how anyone can say otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Steelie

Cotto is wayyyyy over-rated. His record screams cautious and his much vaunted dominance of 147 has never really happened has it?

He's tailor made for Pac and I don't see how anyone can say otherwise.

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mosley, judah, clottey, torres suggests a very good fighter with a good CV.

Anyone that beats shane mosley has got to be world class!!

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

Pacman is hot right now, but if he were to lose to Cotto, say bye bye to a humongous payday with Floyd, because he will be damaged goods in the eyes of people. And Floyd-Pacman is what many boxing fans, sports fans, and general public wants to see.

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one loss does not make a boxer "damaged goods" hatton's first loss for example. he eventually fought pac after losing to pbf.

I don't know who the hell is advising Pacman but a fight with Cotto is a poor business decision for reasons I've stated in the other posts. And even though Pacman exhibits the signs of a humble champion he's also in it for the money. Everyone remembers that the Hatton fight was almost off until it was 52-48 in Pacmans favor?

Let's say theoretically that both sides have agreed on the 50-50 split for Floyd-Pacman, both of the purses should and probably will be in the 20 million dollar range with a gross percentage of PPV buys for both fighters not to mention that the fight has the possiblity of exceeding the 2.4 million and then you add in sponsorships, advertisements, endorsements, etc. And this has the potential of being the biggest money making fight of all time.

#1 pound for pound versus the former number 1 pound for pound but undefeated. The fight appeals to boxing fans, regular sports fans, and the general public. The financial and boxing rewards is far greater in the Floyd fight then the Cotto fight. So whoever is advising Manny to fight Cotto right now is making a poor business decision.

Just my 2 cents looking at it from a view as a business man.

As sick as i am of discussing catchweights.. I think this is a great fight.

Id be VERY happy if this fight was made.

This pains me to say but I think Manny beats Cotto.He does not have the over all size of a Margarito or Clottey but accuracy and speed in droves.Cotto was showing some of that stationary-squat posture....began punching wider as the rounds went on.... a quick in and out guy could take advantage off.

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

To be honest this is a poor financial/business move to fight Cotto for Pacman's camp, if this is true. Considering Cotto is a dangerous opponent and won't draw as many as PPV buys, sponsorships, advertisements, endorsements if he were to fight Floyd. If I was in Pacman's camp I would have Manny fight a safe fight to keep him active, he can fight 1 of the top 10 guys at Jr. Welterweight and then wait for Floyd to beat Marquez and then have negotiations and then a showdown. Floyd is being hounded by Uncle Sam for back taxes and knows the biggest money making fight out there is with Pacman.

A fight with Floyd will not only draw all of the Boxing fans but will also reel in the average sports fan and general public. It even has a chance to surpass the 2.4 million buys of DLH-Mayweather in terms of PPV.

Pacman is hot right now, but if he were to lose to Cotto, say bye bye to a humongous payday with Floyd, because he will be damaged goods in the eyes of people. And Floyd-Pacman is what many boxing fans, sports fans, and general public wants to see.

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Your time is totally off!

Pacquiao couldn't possibly face Floyd in 2009. If doesn't matter if there was a guaranteed 3 Million PPV buys. Besides it's not Pacquio's people who made the mistake it's Floyd's people.

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

I don't know who the hell is advising Pacman but a fight with Cotto is a poor business decision for reasons I've stated in the other posts. And even though Pacman exhibits the signs of a humble champion he's also in it for the money. Everyone remembers that the Hatton fight was almost off until it was 52-48 in Pacmans favor?

Let's say theoretically that both sides have agreed on the 50-50 split for Floyd-Pacman, both of the purses should and probably will be in the 20 million dollar range with a gross percentage of PPV buys for both fighters not to mention that the fight has the possiblity of exceeding the 2.4 million and then you add in sponsorships, advertisements, endorsements, etc. And this has the potential of being the biggest money making fight of all time.

#1 pound for pound versus the former number 1 pound for pound but undefeated. The fight appeals to boxing fans, regular sports fans, and the general public. The financial and boxing rewards is far greater in the Floyd fight then the Cotto fight. So whoever is advising Manny to fight Cotto right now is making a poor business decision.

Just my 2 cents looking at it from a view as a business man.

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You are correct if your point is that a PBF v. Pac fight is a bigger fight in respect to legacy and money than a Cotto v. Pac fight. Clearly, however, two fights are bigger than one. Considering Cotto's recent performances, the risk is worth taking. Would the Mosely risk be worth taking if can have PBF in the winter? No. In addition, PBF was injured in his training camp and his fight with Marquez has been postponed. Pac shouldn't wait too much longer to get in the ring.

Financially, Cotto is probably the biggest Puerto Rican fighter at the moment and Puerto Ricans are big boxing fans. The fight may not be on the PBF v. Pac level, but it is big.

A win over Cotto is a big win for Pac. Cotto has been dominant at ww for the past few years; he has beat Mosely, Judah, Torres, Paulie etc. The PBF v. Cotto fight was the fight fans were clamoring for before PBF's retirement, which never happened. It would be a big deal if Pac fought Cotto first and beat him.

I give Pac props for taking big fights. I think this one is a bad choice though and that he should go for the big money fight in Mayweather.

Cotto doesn't look prime anymore but I maintain that he has 3 elite performances left in him. I think Cotto negates Pacs speed with his power jab, timing and body work.

Pac doesn't have the pressure style that seems to be the only style that can defeat or give Cotto issues.

If Cotto stays focused and doesn't get reckless like he did with Torres then he should be able to methodically break down and stop or KO the smaller Paquiao.

A Pac vs Cotto boxing match will put a tremenduous number of boxing fans anticipating this bout in a frenzy. What an absolutely promising classic match-up in the making!

Only thing is, this might fall short of a classic if and when a catchweight materialized. Might likewise fall short of... if it ends in an abortive fashion, say by cuts accidental or otherwise (As Cotto have bled a bit excessively the last few bouts). Too, it would not, if one gets knocked out much too early in the fight. This could very well be what would transpire, owing to both men, Paquiao and Cotto, equally having considerable lights-out power on both fists. (would very well be discredited as a mistake, a mismatch... exhibit Pac vs Hatton).

Only scenario that personally I will regret if it ever so happens, is if and when Pacquiao wins this duel in the fashion much like that of his last three fights (hopefully without the catchweight, or an acceptable one if so) when people will give excuses so long as the least props, a bare minimum shall be given the victor.

A tease is there now... Cotto was softened, shot after the the bricks episode, and etc...

This reaction, from supposedly very knowledgeable boxing people, is one response, almost unilateral from this pages, that is very difficult to comprehend without ascertaining a personality "bias" as its llikely origin. And if there is this bias, this hate going on, it spoils the sweetness of the victory.

You can't even satisfactorily celebrate, for it is inconspicuously disallowed when sour grapes is a plenty, and it is the order of the day!

I have read a few people that have assuredly will give props, provided that there is no catchweight, no weight drain edge, thanks! Fair and logical, but most importantly, decency on display.

However there will be the usual sort, personal in nature, venomous in form, biased in origination, and will only accord a superficial recognition to the PacMan. Baffling! to say the least, the guy is a recepient of FOTY from Boxing Writers Association of America! Twice!

Hope I am wrong with all this, and this apprehension is all unfounded.

And of course, first and foremost, hope that Pac wins, otherwise this is but a bunch of baloney.... a ranting nonesense! Seriously... is it?

Personally I'm quite surprised at how many people are backing Pac over Cotto!! To say Cotto is passed it or to suggest he's close to shot is way off.

He looked good against the bigger AM until he was finally worn down, not to mention the added uncertainty of whether Tony had loaded wraps. Jennings was just a gimme and contrary to what others say he beat a seriously underated Clottey with impaired vision!!

I'm not saying Cotto will beat Pac, I'm just surprised at how quickly people are dismissing his chances...

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

I don't know who the hell is advising Pacman but a fight with Cotto is a poor business decision for reasons I've stated in the other posts. And even though Pacman exhibits the signs of a humble champion he's also in it for the money. Everyone remembers that the Hatton fight was almost off until it was 52-48 in Pacmans favor?

Let's say theoretically that both sides have agreed on the 50-50 split for Floyd-Pacman, both of the purses should and probably will be in the 20 million dollar range with a gross percentage of PPV buys for both fighters not to mention that the fight has the possiblity of exceeding the 2.4 million and then you add in sponsorships, advertisements, endorsements, etc. And this has the potential of being the biggest money making fight of all time.

#1 pound for pound versus the former number 1 pound for pound but undefeated. The fight appeals to boxing fans, regular sports fans, and the general public. The financial and boxing rewards is far greater in the Floyd fight then the Cotto fight. So whoever is advising Manny to fight Cotto right now is making a poor business decision.

Just my 2 cents looking at it from a view as a business man.

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You are correct if your point is that a PBF v. Pac fight is a bigger fight in respect to legacy and money than a Cotto v. Pac fight. Clearly, however, two fights are bigger than one. Considering Cotto's recent performances, the risk is worth taking. Would the Mosely risk be worth taking if can have PBF in the winter? No. In addition, PBF was injured in his training camp and his fight with Marquez has been postponed. Pac shouldn't wait too much longer to get in the ring.

Financially, Cotto is probably the biggest Puerto Rican fighter at the moment and Puerto Ricans are big boxing fans. The fight may not be on the PBF v. Pac level, but it is big.

A win over Cotto is a big win for Pac. Cotto has been dominant at ww for the past few years; he has beat Mosely, Judah, Torres, Paulie etc. The PBF v. Cotto fight was the fight fans were clamoring for before PBF's retirement, which never happened. It would be a big deal if Pac fought Cotto first and beat him.

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Business wise, like I've said its more lucrative to fight Mayweather. He can have one of those tune up fights where he fights an easy opponent to be active and then have his people negotiate with Mayweather. An easy opponent would be someone like Dmitry Salitas, an unbeaten Jr. Welterweight prospect but not considered serious contender, the so called Jewish hope and then fight Mayweather in early spring of 2010. By the time they get in the ring Pac will be 31 and Mayweather close to being 33. And at 33 your reflexes and hand speed aren't the same as they once were. Pacman not only has a better chance of beating Mayweather because of Mayweather's advancing age but also ring rust (having only 1 fight in 2 years) and can enhance his legacy but make a lot more money than fighting Cotto.

And for the people saying that 1 loss does not make you damage goods, it depends on what stage of your career. Right now Pacman is considered to be the #1 p4p fighter and as Bernard Hopkins says, "He has an sort of an aura of being invincible because of his recent victories" If Pacman were to fight Cotto and say lose he loses leverage and possibly tens of millions of dollars or more. See Zab Judah when he lost around 3 or 4 million dollars by losing to Baldomir which was his tune up fight for Mayweather.

The fight with Mayweather would be billed something like "Who's p4p the best?" But if Pacman loses to Cotto the marketability of Pacman for that fight takes a tremendous hit not to mention his status as being p4p #1.

Business wise it's a huge gamble against the dangerous Cotto, the high risk high reward of that fight isnt' on par with Mayweather.

But hey I'm not a Pacman fan and I hope he stupidly takes the Cotto fight and loses and has very little leverage against Mayweather.;D

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Originally Posted by Conrad

Personally I'm quite surprised at how many people are backing Pac over Cotto!! To say Cotto is passed it or to suggest he's close to shot is way off.

He looked good against the bigger AM until he was finally worn down, not to mention the added uncertainty of whether Tony had loaded wraps. Jennings was just a gimme and contrary to what others say he beat a seriously underated Clottey with impaired vision!!

I'm not saying Cotto will beat Pac, I'm just surprised at how quickly people are dismissing his chances...

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I agree, just last year the thought of Pac vs. Cotto was laughable, and other than Pac fan boys nobody in their right mind would expect Pac to beat, let alone fight Cotto back then. On top of this, Cotto is getting absolutely no respect for beating Clottey when there is no way in hell Pac would beat Clottey (yeah... I know he's too big, but that's my point). I think Clottey's a little bit of a headcase, but if it wasn't for that he would be top 2 or 3 WW's, he still might be now IMO. If this fight happens Cotto will stop Pac IMO. Cotto's way too strong and skilled for Pac.

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Originally Posted by CFH

Pacquiao is going to bludgeon Cotto. To tell the truth, out of the big three (PBF, Mosley, Cotto) this is the fight I least wanted to see.

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I disagree. This is the fight I most wanted to see because out of the 3, this will actually be the most exciting fight to watch. I knew though, that after Cotto putting in a close performance Manny would pick this fight. If Cotto had stopped Clottey impressively, no way Manny would have taken that fight.

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Really? I think Cotto has two types of fighting. When he stalks and when he baits and throws 3-4 punches while backing into the ropes. I think the most exciting fight out of all the people and Pac would be Mosley vs Pac. Both men possess speed and power and look to brawl.

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by CFH

Pacquiao is going to bludgeon Cotto. To tell the truth, out of the big three (PBF, Mosley, Cotto) this is the fight I least wanted to see.

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I disagree. This is the fight I most wanted to see because out of the 3, this will actually be the most exciting fight to watch. I knew though, that after Cotto putting in a close performance Manny would pick this fight. If Cotto had stopped Clottey impressively, no way Manny would have taken that fight.

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Agreed. People are underestimating Cotto on the back of a tough fight marred by a butt induced gash. People are saying he is done when in fact he should be commended for adapting and finding a way through. He could have quit earlier and taken a points decision. But instead roughed it out.

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We agreed on this on another post. I will just re-agree. People made too big a deal out of Cotto fighting cautiously. He had a BAD cut and fought properly to not take too many shots. If he had fought aggressively and gotten sparked, where would that have left him?

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

"If you wanna be the champion, if you wanna take my title, I think you better have to come and take it."
Marvin Hagler to all the guys who challenged him.


I have always loved this quote. If Pacman wants Cotto's title and belts fight him at his best which is 147. A catchweight is a farce, especially if it's for any titles.

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I think Team PAC will not force for a title/belt to be at stake... What Team PAC will surely negotiate is the catchweight...

I'm also guessing PAC will be the favorite in the betting against Cotto...;)
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No catch weights. Many fans really don't like that catch weight thing. If Pacman can't fight someone at their best, then just don't fight. I sure wonder if Roberto Duran ever had a catch weight clause in his contract against Hearns, Leonard, Hagler? And considering he was about the same height and build as Pacman.

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"If someone can't fight Pacquiao at his best, then just don't fight." Try looking at it through the other side of the argument. Pac is P4P #1, why should he give his opponent the complete advantage?!

I don't get how people can complain about him. Not because I'm a fan but look at what he's done. He was at 130 last year and between that last fight he fought Marquez, De La Hoya, and Hatton?! What more could people ask for? Marquez and Pac were the two best at that weight, when the fight was signed, no one thought Pac would beat Oscar (except for the Pacfans), and he fought Hatton at Ricky's weight class!

He's the top dog people should be coming to him not the other way around.

But I do agree, no title should be on the line if it isn't fought at the actual weight class the title resides. IMO, Catchweights are just for fights where people want to see two fighter meet who aren't in the same weight class.

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Originally Posted by Phil

excuse my ignorance but I thought PAC-Mosley was pretty much done,
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As did many people. There was negotiations done between everyone involved except Pac never had any say. Once he did, he said he had to weight his options.

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Originally Posted by Steelie

Cotto is wayyyyy over-rated. His record screams cautious and his much vaunted dominance of 147 has never really happened has it?

He's tailor made for Pac and I don't see how anyone can say otherwise.

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mosley, judah, clottey, torres suggests a very good fighter with a good CV.

Anyone that beats shane mosley has got to be world class!!

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I agree with that. Cotto beat Shane, and not just anyone can beat him.

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

I don't know who the hell is advising Pacman but a fight with Cotto is a poor business decision for reasons I've stated in the other posts. And even though Pacman exhibits the signs of a humble champion he's also in it for the money. Everyone remembers that the Hatton fight was almost off until it was 52-48 in Pacmans favor?

Let's say theoretically that both sides have agreed on the 50-50 split for Floyd-Pacman, both of the purses should and probably will be in the 20 million dollar range with a gross percentage of PPV buys for both fighters not to mention that the fight has the possiblity of exceeding the 2.4 million and then you add in sponsorships, advertisements, endorsements, etc. And this has the potential of being the biggest money making fight of all time.

#1 pound for pound versus the former number 1 pound for pound but undefeated. The fight appeals to boxing fans, regular sports fans, and the general public. The financial and boxing rewards is far greater in the Floyd fight then the Cotto fight. So whoever is advising Manny to fight Cotto right now is making a poor business decision.

Just my 2 cents looking at it from a view as a business man.

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I too also think Pac and his team deciding to fight other big names before a potential fight with Floyd happening is a bad idea, from a business standpoint.

But as a fight fan, I have to give him respect on the people he's trying to fight regardless of the situation.

C'mon guys! Barrera x2, Morales x3, Marquez x3, De La Hoya, Hatton and he's still looking to fight Shane, Floyd, and Cotto?! What other fighters want that!?

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Originally Posted by Jimboogie

As sick as i am of discussing catchweights.. I think this is a great fight.

Id be VERY happy if this fight was made.

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So it looks like this fight will be at a catch weight, fine then but no title should be on the line and one that is reasonable. Pacman wants it to be at 142 pounds. That's unreasonable. Miguel will be weak and weight drained.

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Empowered in negotiating as the world's top pound-for-pound boxer, Pacquiao will dictate at what weight a potential Cotto bout would be fought -- likely around 142 pounds, sources say -- and the Puerto Rican Cotto (34-1, 27 KOs) hasn't fought below the welterweight limit since June 2006.

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Manny Pacquiao versus Miguel Cotto? It's tentative for Nov. 14 in Las Vegas - Los Angeles Times

I see visions of another Leonard-Lalonde fight but at "welterweight". I sure wonder if it's going to be for the welterweight belts also.

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Originally Posted by Conrad

Personally I'm quite surprised at how many people are backing Pac over Cotto!! To say Cotto is passed it or to suggest he's close to shot is way off.

He looked good against the bigger AM until he was finally worn down, not to mention the added uncertainty of whether Tony had loaded wraps. Jennings was just a gimme and contrary to what others say he beat a seriously underated Clottey with impaired vision!!

I'm not saying Cotto will beat Pac, I'm just surprised at how quickly people are dismissing his chances...

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I agree, just last year the thought of Pac vs. Cotto was laughable, and other than Pac fan boys nobody in their right mind would expect Pac to beat, let alone fight Cotto back then. On top of this, Cotto is getting absolutely no respect for beating Clottey when there is no way in hell Pac would beat Clottey (yeah... I know he's too big, but that's my point). I think Clottey's a little bit of a headcase, but if it wasn't for that he would be top 2 or 3 WW's, he still might be now IMO. If this fight happens Cotto will stop Pac IMO. Cotto's way too strong and skilled for Pac.

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It's the same thing all over again... One and a half year ago PAC-Hatton was laughable... Then the fight was made and "surprisingly" PAC was initially installed as a 2 to 1 favorite and on fightnight became a 3 to 1 favorite... PAC is improving in each and every fight while there was a decline seen in Cotto's performances aside from him being in brutal boxing wars as of recent...

Of course Cotto will be much a tougher fight than Hatton... He's bigger, stronger and most specially way smarter than Hatton... After seeing PAC KO'ed Hatton cold in only 2 rounds then PAC-Cotto will be dead-even banger... IMO PAC will edge it out...
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