Victor Ortiz is a quiter

Perhaps Victor didnt know how to correctly express himself, if he would have said "I was beat and but will come back" thats one thing; but the way he expressed himself he made it sound like he was about to quit and start working at Foot Locker.

There is nothing wrong with him being concerned for his health, but we all know the legends would have died in the ring, and personally I wouldnt chase anything that I didnt think I could be the best at.

The part that surprised me the most was that he has had to go thru such a hard lifestyle I would have thought he had alittle more in him than to just quit after only mid level competition, especially after having some amazing moments in the fight.

Ortiz is a pure slugger. He was looking for a KO win in every second of each round. I'm very disappointed seeing him give up like that. But hey, if it was for his own safety so be it. I think he needs a new trainer.

Humble pie addressed to Victor Ortiz just got delivered in the form of ring immovable, Argentinian, Maidano. Victor should wisen up and take this loss as a learning experience. It does so provide him with an excellent perspective and a blueprint, if he ever so decide to undergo further skill restocking and retooling!

I didn't take the he shouldnt be taking punishment like that the way Max did.

Of course Max takes it like he means he shouldnt be boxing.

But i think he meant he shouldn't be in there neglecting his boxing skills and defense and taking punishment and getting beat up by someone he shouldn't be getting beat up by. And I agree with him. He should have used his boxing skill advantages rather then constantly going for the KO. But he's young he is only 22 he'll learn. It was just too much too soon, he wasn't ready to be main eventing yet

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Originally Posted by markb018

Victor is a good guy where as Khan is an arrogant prick that people wanted to see KO'ed

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Many threads on why people give Khan a hard time already, but it's not down to him being an arrogant prick! :rolleyes:

He's no different to any other boxer hyping himself up.

As for Ortiz I haven't seen the fight, anyone know where it'll get uploaded first? Damn UK TV boxing coverage...

This thread makes mighty mike a class c fighter.;D;D;D


seriously, what's wrong with quitting if you could no longer take the punishment?:cool:

You know what Ortiz overrated and glad he lost his fight and quite. I remeber in another thread were people saying he crush Bradley. What a joke when the going got tough he pussed out big time. If he was a champ would picked him self back up and done something about it. Vargas acomplished alot for his time and he did not quit to b level fighters. Being beat by what ever his name is not the same as by Trinidad or Dela Hoya.

Now I see why most people believe that Maidana is an undefeated fighter. Hey BruceLee. How dare you insult the great almighty like that?!

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This thread makes mighty mike a class c fighter.;D;D;D


seriously, what's wrong with quitting if you could no longer take the punishment?:cool:

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Sounds like you in all these daft threads you start! Bruce Lee the Ortiz of Saddoboxing. :rolleyes:

Anyone message me a link to the fight id love to see it, cheers.

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Originally Posted by OnixAA

Lost so much respect for this rising prospect after the way he gave up.

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Lost respect for him? Why? what's the toughest fight you've been in>

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Anyone message me a link to the fight id love to see it, cheers.

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I second that, want to see it too but can't find it in my usual sources...

It's 100% fair to question Ortiz's heart after what happened last night. He laughed his way thru the entire postfight interview and didn't seem to grasp at all that he had just quit in a big fight that could have a lasting effect on his career.

He might not have the stomach to be a top fighter.

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

It's 100% fair to question Ortiz's heart after what happened last night. He laughed his way thru the entire postfight interview and didn't seem to grasp at all that he had just quit in a big fight that could have a lasting effect on his career.

He might not have the stomach to be a top fighter.

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He pretty much said this sport isn't for me last night, I am ok with that. He got beat up he didn't like. If the kid is out I am ok with that and so should everyone else

It will be tough to come back from that now, his future opponents will be motivated by that and will try and make him quit again.

He reminds me a lot of Juan Diaz, great skills and lethal if you let him bully you but questionable punch resistance and vulnarable when bullied back.

I still want to see him fight again though, exciting fighter and he's still just a baby at 22.

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Originally Posted by markb018

Victor is a good guy where as Khan is an arrogant prick that people wanted to see KO'ed

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Many threads on why people give Khan a hard time already, but it's not down to him being an arrogant prick! :rolleyes:

He's no different to any other boxer hyping himself up.

As for Ortiz I haven't seen the fight, anyone know where it'll get uploaded first? Damn UK TV boxing coverage...

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Really cause pretty much saying he is great because he beat a one eyed MAB is being an arrogant prick in my book. I could revisit those threads as well and point out where people would agree with me as I have read those

when wos dat sed????

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

It's 100% fair to question Ortiz's heart after what happened last night. He laughed his way thru the entire postfight interview and didn't seem to grasp at all that he had just quit in a big fight that could have a lasting effect on his career.

He might not have the stomach to be a top fighter.

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He pretty much said this sport isn't for me last night, I am ok with that. He got beat up he didn't like. If the kid is out I am ok with that and so should everyone else

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If he wants out, that's fine.... it's his life.

But since he's been discussed as a top prospect and future champion, it's 100% OK to question his heart and toughness and talk about how his actions last night might indicate that he won't become the top guy people were predicting him to be.

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Originally Posted by markb018

Victor is a good guy where as Khan is an arrogant prick that people wanted to see KO'ed

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Many threads on why people give Khan a hard time already, but it's not down to him being an arrogant prick! :rolleyes:

He's no different to any other boxer hyping himself up.

As for Ortiz I haven't seen the fight, anyone know where it'll get uploaded first? Damn UK TV boxing coverage...

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Really cause pretty much saying he is great because he beat a one eyed MAB is being an arrogant prick in my book. I could revisit those threads as well and point out where people would agree with me as I have read those

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Could you post a link to the interview Khan gave where he said he was a great because of the Barrera win, thanks

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Originally Posted by OnixAA

Lost so much respect for this rising prospect after the way he gave up.

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Lost respect for him? Why? what's the toughest fight you've been in>

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In my CHOSEN profession, I have been in incredibly hard fights.

I didnt choose boxing he did, again if you are going to go after something, pick something you would be willing to go out on your shield for.

Maidana and Ortiz both took a beating in that fight.....Even Maidana seemed a little woozy in the post fight interview......:o

Ortiz has skill but we will see how he deals with this defeat. Will he go down the road of bojado or other fighters that have lost early on.

I think the pressure from the De La Hoya Hype machine might have been too much for him at this stage......There was alot of pressure on him to be great....

I know this is makes me a hippocrite (I'm a bit weighty these days) but I do not blame Ortiz for quiting. Maidana was doing his best Samuel Peter impersonation last night. I'd of quit. Ortiz had blood gushing out of one eye and the other was two punches away from swelling shut. He had already knocked Maidana down three times and each time Maidana rose to his feet.

What good does it do to suffer brain damage when your chances of winning were slimming by the second? No one wants to become the next Leavander Johnson.

I also thought that Robert Guerrero was smart to quit the fight before last.

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

It's 100% fair to question Ortiz's heart after what happened last night. He laughed his way thru the entire postfight interview and didn't seem to grasp at all that he had just quit in a big fight that could have a lasting effect on his career.

He might not have the stomach to be a top fighter.

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He pretty much said this sport isn't for me last night, I am ok with that. He got beat up he didn't like. If the kid is out I am ok with that and so should everyone else

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If he wants out, that's fine.... it's his life.

But since he's been discussed as a top prospect and future champion, it's 100% OK to question his heart and toughness and talk about how his actions last night might indicate that he won't become the top guy people were predicting him to be.

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Are you telling me that part of top boxing is getting hit back?? Like taking hard punches?

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

It will be tough to come back from that now, his future opponents will be motivated by that and will try and make him quit again.

He reminds me a lot of Juan Diaz, great skills and lethal if you let him bully you but questionable punch resistance and vulnarable when bullied back.

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True that! It's one thing to get beat on the skill side or the physical side of the confrontation, it can easily be chalked up to lesson one... on to leson 2!

It is however, another level to get beat on the emotional or psychological side of it, that is one haunting scenario which has serious potential to derail future plans of aspiring, up and coming fighters, even at the very top level.

See, this goes back to the old adage that fighters are born, they are not made.

A fighter would never quit, however outfought they may be at any given moment. If then beat, they go home and resolve to get much better and get saddled for the next available fight, the soonest!

On the others side the "gym produce" version, is less instinctive in fighting and will always have the better grasp of things when outclassed, will quit or fight in safety mode and less aggressive.

Surely, this is a detriment to the "produce" fighter to some degree in parallel to his threshold of the "safety first" mindset. Also in addition, conversely in comparison to "born" fighters, "quit" is easily reached in their minds, having none of that "better to die than be humbled" mentality which minimally a warrior's mind will possess.

Quit temporarily on a game to game basis is OK, but if it has reached to the gut level, it is probably already a kiss of death to a fighter!

Ortiz can rise from this, the victor in him, but he needs to summon his warrior spirit... mightily!

If he had enough he had enough bottom line its his life and his choice.

Not everyone has what it takes to be an Elite champion, pure skill is not enough it takes a very special motor inside to push pass pass adversity and overcome. Boxers with half his natural ability have been champs because the have the heart and mental toughness. Last night Victor got dragged out to the deep dark water and drowned.

Boxing is a hurt game your going to get hit and feel pain thats the point of it.

It is fair to question his heart because thats the measuring stick of his marketability and potential for greatness.

I just watched the hbo replay. Ortiz indeed quit. He simply lost the adrenaline and started thinking and feeling the pain. He lost his spirit.

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Lost so much respect for this rising prospect after the way he gave up.

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Lost respect for him? Why? what's the toughest fight you've been in>

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In my CHOSEN profession, I have been in incredibly hard fights.

I didnt choose boxing he did, again if you are going to go after something, pick something you would be willing to go out on your shield for.

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Do you get battered in the face in your CHOSEN profession? It's very easy to sit here & talk like you would be there till the end, but the fact is he's in there, not any guys typing away on a message board. He's come from nothing and he's probably now made enough money to sort his future, and maybe the fact he's had to struggle makes him realize how much he values his life. No one wants to end up like Gerald McClellan & if you can't see the punches coming from a guy like Maidana than that's what you risk.

However, he does deserve to be criticized for the manner in which he fought the fight after knocking down Maidana twice. It showed that he's still too green, as a smarter fighter wouldn't have shot his bolt trying to get Maidana out of there.

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Lost respect for him? Why? what's the toughest fight you've been in>

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In my CHOSEN profession, I have been in incredibly hard fights.

I didnt choose boxing he did, again if you are going to go after something, pick something you would be willing to go out on your shield for.

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Do you get battered in the face in your CHOSEN profession? It's very easy to sit here & talk like you would be there till the end, but the fact is he's in there, not any guys typing away on a message board. He's come from nothing and he's probably now made enough money to sort his future, and maybe the fact he's had to struggle makes him realize how much he values his life. No one wants to end up like Gerald McClellan & if you can't see the punches coming from a guy like Maidana than that's what you risk.

However, he does deserve to be criticized for the manner in which he fought the fight after knocking down Maidana twice. It showed that he's still too green, as a smarter fighter wouldn't have shot his bolt trying to get Maidana out of there.

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He is a pro fighter that we pay to see. We can criticize him. I don't respect Acelino Freitas. And why? Because he got his cookies and cream too early.

Bit harsh on Diaz, which fight did he quit in? Campbell got into his head and gave him a bit of a beating but he showed a ton of heart against JMM.

Rewatching it for about the 5th time.I think alot of it was the huge push in promotion/hype.Solid foundation and natural power but god HBO has a track record with forcing the next big thing down a young talents throat as well as the viewing audience.Way too much emphasis was put on the power and blitzing guys out.Dont see him staying at 140...he has the torso of a jr.middle.He had better find a way to avoid right hands.

He just seemed so caught up.He opted out...it happens to many.But he has to be prepared to endure what goes with that.Spur of the moment but its a scarlet letter.The family turmoil is obviously still weighing heavy.Hes a kid and suddenly found himself in a dark alley with true adversity.The interview is what stuck with me...way too aloof.I think alot of these guys today are rushed past the fundamentals in overall boxing and the mental grounding that must accompany it in a clamor for the 'next big thing'.Mentality after this may be his biggest opponent,if its not solid, all the skills in the world wont mean much.

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Rewatching it for about the 5th time.I think alot of it was the huge push in promotion/hype.Solid foundation and natural power but god HBO has a track record with forcing the next big thing down a young talents throat as well as the viewing audience.Way too much emphasis was put on the power and blitzing guys out.Dont see him staying at 140...he has the torso of a jr.middle.He had better find a way to avoid right hands.

He just seemed so caught up.He opted out...it happens to many.But he has to be prepared to endure what goes with that.Spur of the moment but its a scarlet letter.The family turmoil is obviously still weighing heavy.Hes a kid and suddenly found himself in a dark alley with true adversity.The interview is what stuck with me...way too aloof.I think alot of these guys today are rushed past the fundamentals in overall boxing and the mental grounding that must accompany it in a clamor for the 'next big thing'.Mentality after this may be his biggest opponent,if its not solid, all the skills in the world wont mean much.

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Well especially in this economy and lean budgets for networks, they just like everyone else is looking to limit the bleeding of the wallet. These guys are going to be pushed and showcased to draw interest, ratings and $$$$$$$$$

Thats why it suprised me to hear Arum talk about Gamboa and JML. it would be nice if they could wait. Unfortunately no can afford to wait in this economy

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Lost respect for him? Why? what's the toughest fight you've been in>

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In my CHOSEN profession, I have been in incredibly hard fights.

I didnt choose boxing he did, again if you are going to go after something, pick something you would be willing to go out on your shield for.

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Do you get battered in the face in your CHOSEN profession? It's very easy to sit here & talk like you would be there till the end, but the fact is he's in there, not any guys typing away on a message board. He's come from nothing and he's probably now made enough money to sort his future, and maybe the fact he's had to struggle makes him realize how much he values his life. No one wants to end up like Gerald McClellan & if you can't see the punches coming from a guy like Maidana than that's what you risk.

However, he does deserve to be criticized for the manner in which he fought the fight after knocking down Maidana twice. It showed that he's still too green, as a smarter fighter wouldn't have shot his bolt trying to get Maidana out of there.

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No I dont get battered, thats why I chose it. If I thought I could take it I'd be in there. He wanted to be a fighter and although he was very humble about it, he liked the attention. What did he think his opponents were gonna do, blow kisses at him?

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Originally Posted by Majesty

I didn't take the he shouldnt be taking punishment like that the way Max did.

Of course Max takes it like he means he shouldnt be boxing.

But i think he meant he shouldn't be in there neglecting his boxing skills and defense and taking punishment and getting beat up by someone he shouldn't be getting beat up by. And I agree with him. He should have used his boxing skill advantages rather then constantly going for the KO. But he's young he is only 22 he'll learn. It was just too much too soon, he wasn't ready to be main eventing yet

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same here, the way i understood it was, he shouldn't be taking the kind of punishment that he took at this stage of his career, that he's going to have to go back to the drawing board and work on his defense a bit, Maidana has anvils for fists, Ortiz's left eye was fine going into the last round, completely unswollen, not even half way into the round it looked like it had been being tagged on all night

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I didn't take the he shouldnt be taking punishment like that the way Max did.

Of course Max takes it like he means he shouldnt be boxing.

But i think he meant he shouldn't be in there neglecting his boxing skills and defense and taking punishment and getting beat up by someone he shouldn't be getting beat up by. And I agree with him. He should have used his boxing skill advantages rather then constantly going for the KO. But he's young he is only 22 he'll learn. It was just too much too soon, he wasn't ready to be main eventing yet

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same here, the way i understood it was, he shouldn't be taking the kind of punishment that he took at this stage of his career, that he's going to have to go back to the drawing board and work on his defense a bit, Maidana has anvils for fists, Ortiz's left eye was fine going into the last round, completely unswollen, not even half way into the round it looked like it had been being tagged on all night

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anvil it is mate, the left hook that landed once made the cut, then I think 1 or 2 rights made the inflammation. I really hope Maidana gets a world class trainer.

Why is it such a bad thing for a fighter to take care of his health.

I would much prefer a fighter quit and fight another day than to take a beating and never be the same again.

Again I don't think he is so much a quitter. Even so people that have quit in fights before still had great careers or wasn't taken away from them. He fought the wrong style for the fight and acknowledged it. And I think it was smart of him to say he shouldnt be taking punishment or get beat up that way. Max Kellerman is an idiot for trying to put a negative spin on it saying he didn't wanna go out on his shield when thats not at all what he said. He said he would never end a fight on his back and would stay in there. That means he wants to fight it out and just lay on the canvas knocked out. And when he said he shouldnt be getting beat up like that he didn't mean he didn't want to be a boxer because he got hurt, he meant that he should have been fighting his fight and boxing rather then fighting the other guys fight and taking unnessesary punishment. But I wouldnt expect Max to understand that.

I don't know the claim that some make that we can critize them cause we are paying to see the fights...well not really how many of us were in the arena last night, wasn't it just included in your regular hbo package??? I mean people of a lesser chin don't get critized for having no heart but just having a weak chin so why the hell should a guy who has recuperative powers and a decent chin take 3x the punishment and suffer more for it later...again nothing but respect to ortiz and most fighters that step in the ring. People can say he quit, whatever, all I know is that 6 rounds was some of the most exciting six rounds of the past year...if quiters fight like that then lets see more of em.

I just watched it. It's weird the way he quit like that. At the end of the fifth he would have been quite happy if his corner had stopped it. I'm guessing in the next week or two we hear that he had bunch of personal problems, that his mind wasn't on the fight, he'll be back better than ever and so on. If he does come back he'll probably do the same thing again though. Something is just not right in his makeup.

victor ortiz seems like a great fighter actually to me and i think its unfair ppl sayin hes not fit to be a boxer.
wen roberto duran refused to fight against leanord did he deserve to give up boxing??

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It's weird the way he quit like that. At the end of the fifth he would have been quite happy if his corner had stopped it. Something is just not right in his makeup.

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On this I agree.

Like I said, I do not blame him for quitting. I'd of quit. However, now that I've read what Liang had to say, I am reminded of Mike Tyson and his strange ways.