Re: Why is Mosley ranked higher than Cotto at welterweight?
Margarito knocked out Cotto because his will was greater then Cotto's.
I admit i was just a little skeptical, but when I watched the Clottey fight and how Cotto was getting tagged constantly and busted up when he couldnt put Clottey away it became clear to me that if that was Margarito in there for a rematch Cotto would have been stopped again. I don't think Margarito would have even needed bricks to beat Cotto that night or when he fought Clottey. No disrespect to Cotto but he just doesn't seem to respond as well to pressure as he did when lesser fighters did it to him.
Re: Why is Mosley ranked higher than Cotto at welterweight?
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blegit
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JonesJrMayweather
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kingfrnk
agree with all of it. especailly the words in bold. Cotto has taken all of the toughest fights at welter and no else has done this. i dont see how anybody cant be a fan of Cotto he takes on the toughest fights possible. im pretty sure if Paul Williams was still at 147 Cotto would be the only one who has the balls to take him on. anyways i think its pretty close but i would probably have shane 1st. but thats only because Margacheato beat Cotto (which is a questionable win now ) who was the #1 welter then Mosley beat Margacheato who was the #1 welter.
IMO shane and cotto should fight for the ring welterweight title
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Rantcatrat
Cotto beat Mosley and Cotto beat #3 Clottey. Just these facts merit debate. As an analogy, remember Ring Magazine ranks Donaire ahead of Vic because Donaire beat Vic even though Vic has beat the better competition since that fight, which isn't even the case here.
Cotto's loss to Margarito, at least to an extent, can be chalked up to the fact Margarito was hitting him with bricks. Mosley didn't fight a Margarito with bricks.
We aren't talking about p4p. We are talking about at welterweight. Cotto has beat almost every single top ten welterweight with the exception of Collazo and Berto. Mosley has only beat Collazo.
It is definitely a close call even if Mosley gets the nod.
neither did cotto..he just got his ass whooped by pressure and will...
Two pictures: One with his hand wrap around cotto, the second is the ref kenny bayless raising margo's hand, clearly showing that if he had plaster around his hand then bayless must've bet on him...
cotto just got his ass whooped, valiant effort, but just had the wrong game plan. No cheating..even if he did cheat, which is clear that he didn't at least not against cotto....he still took all of cotto's shots and walked through them, he broke cotto's will.
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I know you already have your mind made up but don't be offended. Lets just be factual. The pictures you link are of Margarito hugging Cotto. How would Cotto know there is plaster in the wraps from Margarito's palms being on his back??? Second picture, the ref is holding Margarito's wrist. What does that prove??? Try to see what we are seeing about your argument.
In the Cotto fight there was nothing to be suspicious of so who is even looking for plaster? Let alone feeling for it. No one in either of these pics is feeling the knuckles and the plaster would be in the wraps on the knuckle part. You do realize that your pics prove nothing now, right? Actually, its makes your argument look silly by showing those pics and then saying proof. And remember before the Mosley bout, Nazeem Richardson had to feel and pat the knuckles of Margarito's wraps to know there was something not right. Also, Margarito already had one of his hands pass the inspection and checked off by the Commission by the time Richardson even got in the Margarito locker room. So Margarito is no slouch at getting away. Those wraps obviously were not visually catchable. And one more thing my man. How could anyone else know there was plaster in Margarito's handwraps when Margarito didn't even know?http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...ons/icon10.gif
Those are very good points and the pic doesn't really prove anything. But what I do know is that there isn't any proof that he did use plaster against cotto or anyone else prior to the mosley fight.
Re: Why is Mosley ranked higher than Cotto at welterweight?
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JonesJrMayweather
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JonesJrMayweather
neither did cotto..he just got his ass whooped by pressure and will...
Two pictures: One with his hand wrap around cotto, the second is the ref kenny bayless raising margo's hand, clearly showing that if he had plaster around his hand then bayless must've bet on him...
cotto just got his ass whooped, valiant effort, but just had the wrong game plan. No cheating..even if he did cheat, which is clear that he didn't at least not against cotto....he still took all of cotto's shots and walked through them, he broke cotto's will.
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I know you already have your mind made up but don't be offended. Lets just be factual. The pictures you link are of Margarito hugging Cotto. How would Cotto know there is plaster in the wraps from Margarito's palms being on his back??? Second picture, the ref is holding Margarito's wrist. What does that prove??? Try to see what we are seeing about your argument.
In the Cotto fight there was nothing to be suspicious of so who is even looking for plaster? Let alone feeling for it. No one in either of these pics is feeling the knuckles and the plaster would be in the wraps on the knuckle part. You do realize that your pics prove nothing now, right? Actually, its makes your argument look silly by showing those pics and then saying proof. And remember before the Mosley bout, Nazeem Richardson had to feel and pat the knuckles of Margarito's wraps to know there was something not right. Also, Margarito already had one of his hands pass the inspection and checked off by the Commission by the time Richardson even got in the Margarito locker room. So Margarito is no slouch at getting away. Those wraps obviously were not visually catchable. And one more thing my man. How could anyone else know there was plaster in Margarito's handwraps when Margarito didn't even know?http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...ons/icon10.gif
Those are very good points and the pic doesn't really prove anything. But what I do know is that there isn't any proof that he did use plaster against cotto or anyone else prior to the mosley fight.
People tried to say Cotto's face went from fine to completely busted up in a round or something and how it was "physically impossible" without the help of plaster..
Well I just watched a fight with Ortiz on Saturday where his face went from fine to busted up in a single round where he had a huge gash and also a huge lump on the bottom of his eye almost shutting it. All that stemmed from one punch and I doubt his opponent was using plaster :rolleyes:
Re: Why is Mosley ranked higher than Cotto at welterweight?
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Jimboogie
Fuk all the BALCO talk.
Cotto is good but Mosley is better. Yeah I know Mosley lost but IMO he fought the wrong fight; He was suprised by Cotto's boxing ability.
Cotto was on the back foot by the end of the fight. Forget he's excuses for why. The real reasons became apparent in the Margarito and Clottey fights.
Cotto isn't quite the warrior he'd have us all believe.
Mosley would K.O cotto in a Re-match.
Also, for the sake of this argument, id LOVE to see how Cotto handled a PRIME Dela Hoya at 147 ;)
yea cause only a pussy would fight on for 9 rnds with a gash like this one
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f7...ottoclott7.jpg
or this one
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...real/Owned.jpg
Re: Why is Mosley ranked higher than Cotto at welterweight?
How is Cotto not a warrior? Also he outboxed Mosley early on in their fight, and he landed some big punches off the back foot, I don't think anyone believes Cotto is the most durable guy on the planet, but he's one of the toughest.
Re: Why is Mosley ranked higher than Cotto at welterweight?
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How is Cotto not a warrior? Also he outboxed Mosley early on in their fight, and he landed some big punches off the back foot, I don't think anyone believes Cotto is the most durable guy on the planet, but he's one of the toughest.
agreed
Re: Why is Mosley ranked higher than Cotto at welterweight?
I say not quite the warrior becuase he's been made to go backwards in 3 of his last 5 fights. Cut or no cut.
Its not a knock on Cotto and its not ment to be disrespectfull in any way.
I acknowledge that he definitely sets out to be both a crowd pleaser and a fighters fighter but for me the word 'Dwindle' definitely springs to mind.
As with Hatton, who i wouldn't call tough or a warrior (just a fighter trying to portray himself as one for clear effect), it's always alarming to see the 'tough guy' forced into retreat and proves that their NOT as tough as originally believed.
Cotto seems more happy to retreat, slip and slide than hang tough these days.
Its a big statement that depends greatly on his next few fights but i belive i've seen this patern a couple of times before to know what's really goin on.
Re: Why is Mosley ranked higher than Cotto at welterweight?
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Jimboogie
Fuk all the BALCO talk.
Cotto is good but Mosley is better. Yeah I know Mosley lost but IMO he fought the wrong fight; He was suprised by Cotto's boxing ability.
Cotto was on the back foot by the end of the fight. Forget he's excuses for why. The real reasons became apparent in the Margarito and Clottey fights.
Cotto isn't quite the warrior he'd have us all believe.
Mosley would K.O cotto in a Re-match.
Also, for the sake of this argument, id LOVE to see how Cotto handled a PRIME Dela Hoya at 147 ;)
yea cause only a pussy would fight on for 9 rnds with a gash like this one
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f7...ottoclott7.jpg
or this one
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...real/Owned.jpg
Re-read the context JimBoogie put it in. He at no point suggested he was a pussy, just that he's not a warrior in the JCC mold. I may not agree with him, but that's no reason to overreact & exaggerate his point
Re: Why is Mosley ranked higher than Cotto at welterweight?
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Jimboogie
Fuk all the BALCO talk.
Cotto is good but Mosley is better. Yeah I know Mosley lost but IMO he fought the wrong fight; He was suprised by Cotto's boxing ability.
Cotto was on the back foot by the end of the fight. Forget he's excuses for why. The real reasons became apparent in the Margarito and Clottey fights.
Cotto isn't quite the warrior he'd have us all believe.
Mosley would K.O cotto in a Re-match.
Also, for the sake of this argument, id LOVE to see how Cotto handled a PRIME Dela Hoya at 147 ;)
Margarito and Clottey are huge guys for fighting in the welterweight division.
Anyone can get caught with a good shot and get taken out. It doesn't make them less of a fighter.
Mosley could get knocked out the same as Cotto in a re-match. Mosley was slowing in that fight with Margarito take another look. I'd give Cotto the upper hand from the middle rounds if they ever faced off again.
Re: Why is Mosley ranked higher than Cotto at welterweight?
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fan johnny
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Jimboogie
Fuk all the BALCO talk.
Cotto is good but Mosley is better. Yeah I know Mosley lost but IMO he fought the wrong fight; He was suprised by Cotto's boxing ability.
Cotto was on the back foot by the end of the fight. Forget he's excuses for why. The real reasons became apparent in the Margarito and Clottey fights.
Cotto isn't quite the warrior he'd have us all believe.
Mosley would K.O cotto in a Re-match.
Also, for the sake of this argument, id LOVE to see how Cotto handled a PRIME Dela Hoya at 147 ;)
Margarito and Clottey are huge guys for fighting in the welterweight division.
Anyone can get caught with a good shot and get taken out. It doesn't make them less of a fighter.
Mosley could get knocked out the same as Cotto in a re-match. Mosley was slowing in that fight with Margarito take another look. I'd give Cotto the upper hand from the middle rounds if they ever faced off again.
Only problem is mosley's never been stopped before and always finishes strong in his big fights...and now with the extra motivation and nazeem in his corner i think cotto goes to sleep.
