Sounds like Gatti had a lot of problems in his life

premeditation is something I have issues with. You're not dealing with someone in a 'normal' state of mind.

There have been many cases of abuse where the woman has struck back several hours after an episode of violence & that's what people have trouble understanding, if they were in the middle of a row, he hit her and she picked up a knife and stabbed him people would say ok it was wrong but y'know in the heat of the moment/she was defending herself....


People aren't thinking straight lots of people are mentally in something similar to shock. Many don't remember what they thought, what they did or even why they did it.

...& it continues, it was her fault she got hit she should have left.


Thankfully many of you don't understand because you've not had to deal with domestic violence.

If Gatti did abuse her, of course that is wrong, but it still doesn't justify premeditated murder.

I think the planning is a huge part of the thought process my friend years ago suffered violent abuse for 9 years 3 kids later, many hospital stays and advise to leave him from her friends, she thought the only way out was for her to kill him she never did but was always planning to on a daily basis.
In this case we dont know how she or for that matter he suffered as some women are more violent then men i guess it will all come out when it goes to trial.

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The problem is the legal definition of premediation & psychological definition don't really match up...it's why so many serial killers end up on death row rather than in mental hospitals which is where I think they should be.

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If Gatti did abuse her, of course that is wrong, but it still doesn't justify premeditated murder.

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The problem is the legal definition of premediation & psychological definition don't really match up...it's why so many serial killers end up on death row rather than in mental hospitals which is where I think they should be.

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I'm with you up until the mental institution thing. I think they should just be made into fertilizer;D Though I guess studying them might in the long run help to detect those tendencies young; for whatever good that might do.

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The problem is the legal definition of premediation & psychological definition don't really match up...it's why so many serial killers end up on death row rather than in mental hospitals which is where I think they should be.

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I'm with you up until the mental institution thing. I think they should just be made into fertilizer;D Though I guess studying them might in the long run help to detect those tendencies young; for whatever good that might do.

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It's difficult I know.

That's the tricky thing, for people who have a stronger pre-disposition towards violent tendancies you can't intervene until they've committed a crime unless we're living in a Minority Report/Gattaca state. :-\

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I can't be bothered to reply to some people individually so I'l post it here.

You men must really hate women? No sooner as the rumours come out you start saying some women are mental & deserve to get hit...no thought that he may have been a nutter, no, it was all down to her.

For gods sake, if its true that he used to knock her about it's worse because he's a boxer, you're trained to hurt people and you're trained to be control of that aggression.

I assume we can agree that hitting anyone (outside of boxing, mma, etc) is generally considered not the thing to do?

If you're are saying it's ok to punch a woman in the face - which some of you are - is it ok to punch a kid in the face?

Most men are stronger than most women. More men hit women than women hit men. Most women are murdered by boyfriends and ex's. Those are facts.

I know one women whose husband broke her nose by bashing her face on the floor. I know someone who kicked his pregnant girlfriend about - but that was ok because kicking wasn't 'hitting'.

Women can of course be violent towards men? People relationships can be strange but if anyone starts to see signs of someone being jealous/controlling, watch your step because that added to drink can lead to a world of trouble.

If she had suffered years of abuse I can understand how she could snap and react like that.

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In no way do I condone hitting a woman in any way, especially if you are a trained fighter but the whole Marley thing is what bothers me, he went about it all wrong and fed on the tib bits of info like a vulture

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First off Mike Marley is a tool and we all know this, second this is a tabloid article, third we don't know circumstances behind any of these so called incidents.

Then Marley is going to take a cheap shot on both Gatti and Corrales, he nis a clown and the tabloid of boxing journalist.

Even if some truth to the stories he displays little class when reporting them

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I have you know I won my qualifications in a raffle:D

The drunken street fight in Pernambuco, Brazil, early Saturday morning between former world champion boxer Arturo Gatti and his wife, Brazilian native Amanda Carina Barbosa Rodrigues was not the first physical confrontation between the mutually hot tempered couple, sources tell Examiner.com

"They had problems in New Jersey and in Montreal," the sources said. "Their arguments were constant, about his drinking and drugging or him looking at other women and he would complain about her wearing scanty clothing. They were always arguing."

As if Gatti's murder isn't bad enough, this tale of domestic violence is starting to sound like the case of the late champion Diego "Chico" Corrales who went to prison for assaulting his then pregnant wife.

Corrales later died in a motorcycle accident in Las Vegas.

Police in the Northeastern Brazil seaside city have Gatti’s 23-year-old wife in custody and will charge her with premeditated murder for first stabbing the passed out boxer with a knife in the back of the head and, when that did not evidently kill him, strangling him with a purse strap.

“This wasn’t the first time they went at it physically,” someone who has known Gatti for many years said. “Gatti had been seen striking her in the past. He would be in a good mood but then the liquor and drugs would get to him and he would go off on her. She is also very high strung and she often accused him of cheating or just eyeballing other women.”

Brazilian police have discounted any other possible suspects in the case. Gatti was found on the floor, surrounded by blood, in a condo affiliated with a hotel.

The couple and their 10-month-old son had gone to Brazil for what some called “a second honeymoon.”

The couple had gone to a local bar Friday night and argued there. The argument began again on the street and the fighter punched his wife.



He returned to the posh condo with their baby son and evidently fell asleep.

When she returned to the condo apartment, Gatti's wife knifed him and then strangled him. Police found blood on the floor and are examining a bloody purse strap.

Gatti was 37 years old. He was born in Italy, grew up in Montreal and made Jersey City his boxing base.

Gatti had last been to Brazil to attend the 36th birthday party of former world champion Acelino “Popo” Freitas.

Freitas told Brazilian media that Gatti had drug abuse problems and was talking about splitting up with his wife recently.

Sometimes it seems the less we know about the private life of some great fighters, the better it is.

Personally, I have never understood men hitting women for any reason let alone great ring warriors such as Corrales and Gatti doing so.

Of course, putting alcohol and drugs in the mix alters everything.

(Bloody purse strap photo, Globo TV Nordeste)


It amazes me that such macho men inside the ropes can be woman beaters outside the ring.

I hope that the word on Gatti is not revealed to be true but, like I said, it all fits into the incendiary mixture with drugs and liquor,

Say it ain't so, Arturo

His wife sounds like a right bitch

I have an experience like this with my ex wife. My ex pull a knife on me 2 times. The first one she actually attacked me but I luckily close the door & my cousin was there to calm her down. The second, I called 911 right away, that one scares the hell out of me. I never held a hand on my violent ex-wife, that's why I'm still alive.

This during the post partum era. I don't even know what Post Partum means then & it made me to researched on it. Post partum happens after a woman gave birth, they feel insecure that they become almost psychotic.

I never cheat my wife but she always thought I'm about to leave her. the second episode was triggered when she dug my storage & found my ex-GF pix still hanging in there.

It appears Gatti had some issues. He could not control himself it seems. He was violent and she seemed possessive to an almost paranoid level.

Both of them together were a mix just waiting for an outcome like this. You get a mix of Alcohol, Drugs, Jealousy, Anger etc. He may have been a jeckyl & hyde personality and it could drive the recipient over the edge. Is killing him excusable? Nope. All that adds up to is an escalation of violence to the point of a tragic end.

The truth will come out in court I suppose. She was obviously in a state of rage over their earlier altercation, but him leaving the situation at the nightclub left some considerable time for her to calm down enough to think smart and do the right thing, but that did not seem to help.

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It appears Gatti had some issues. He could not control himself it seems. He was violent and she seemed possessive to an almost paranoid level.

Both of them together were a mix just waiting for an outcome like this. You get a mix of Alcohol, Drugs, Jealousy, Anger etc. He may have been a jeckyl & hyde personality and it could drive the recipient over the edge. Is killing him excusable? Nope. All that adds up to is an escalation of violence to the point of a tragic end.

The truth will come out in court I suppose. She was obviously in a state of rage over their earlier altercation, but him leaving the situation at the nightclub left some considerable time for her to calm down enough to think smart and do the right thing, but that did not seem to help.

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Public humilations tend not to blow over.

Sound like a pair of nutters, 1's dead the will be put away.

I watch boxing to see guys box what they do outside the ring i could care less....everyone on this board is doing something shady in thier lives and so what. In the ring gatti provided nothing but great fights, all we should even care about. There are guys that may go to church every sunday and save baby pidgeons in their spare time, but is that how we decide who we want to see fight who ?? Rip gatti, wheather deserved or not too many people are dying for the dumbest reasons.

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I have an experience like this with my ex wife. My ex pull a knife on me 2 times. The first one she actually attacked me but I luckily close the door & my cousin was there to calm her down. The second, I called 911 right away, that one scares the hell out of me. I never held a hand on my violent ex-wife, that's why I'm still alive.

This during the post partum era. I don't even know what Post Partum means then & it made me to researched on it. Post partum happens after a woman gave birth, they feel insecure that they become almost psychotic.

I never cheat my wife but she always thought I'm about to leave her. the second episode was triggered when she dug my storage & found my ex-GF pix still hanging in there.

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Yes but we all want to stab you.

I by no means condone this stuff but I find it funny if a man smacks a woman they are considered a wife beater. I mean really ? If Gatti was a wife beater don't you think her face would kind of be destroyed. My brother had a similiar charge against him were she told the judge my brother punched her in the face. She then showed him a little bruise on her cheek. The judge simply smiled and said Ms. so and so I know this man,he has fought in the ring before what leads me to believe if he hit you you would have a little bit more than just a little bruise on your cheek. He simply dismissed the case. Point being here is Gatti was never charged with anything so she can say whatever the hell she wants. I know Gatti like to party but I don't see him as a wife beater but I could see him slapping her if she had a hot temper like the say.

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I have an experience like this with my ex wife. My ex pull a knife on me 2 times. The first one she actually attacked me but I luckily close the door & my cousin was there to calm her down. The second, I called 911 right away, that one scares the hell out of me. I never held a hand on my violent ex-wife, that's why I'm still alive.

This during the post partum era. I don't even know what Post Partum means then & it made me to researched on it. Post partum happens after a woman gave birth, they feel insecure that they become almost psychotic.

I never cheat my wife but she always thought I'm about to leave her. the second episode was triggered when she dug my storage & found my ex-GF pix still hanging in there.

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What did i do to you???

I'm afraid the accused will use the line "I'm a battered wife and I acted in self defense".

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its a bit tasteless if this is the first time this has been mentioned, even sounds like something that would be said to help the wifes case if she did indeed comit the crime

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Not really the first time. Mayweather sort of hinted at Gatti's past and present problems that no one wanted to talk about but wanted to make him look like the bad guy by spilling his personal business out there.

Anyway Gatti as a boxer entertained me, what he was as a person is something we'll all never know.

If it comes out that this is turned into a justifiable homicide as in she killed him out of self defense then its gonna tear his reputation to shreds anymore.

But these stories were out before about him having substance abuse and drug problems and such but it just wasn't as big of news as if lets say Mayweather had done it. It was there but it sort of went unnoticed, sort of like Kendall Holts issues. If a story doesn't make money then people won't cover it like a big deal. But NOW its a big story because there's a lot of talk around his death so NOW all this information is gonna be published like its something new.

Sometimes the media and sportswriters sicken me

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its a bit tasteless if this is the first time this has been mentioned, even sounds like something that would be said to help the wifes case if she did indeed comit the crime

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Not really the first time. Mayweather sort of hinted at Gatti's past and present problems that no one wanted to talk about but wanted to make him look like the bad guy by spilling his personal business out there.

Anyway Gatti as a boxer entertained me, what he was as a person is something we'll all never know.

If it comes out that this is turned into a justifiable homicide as in she killed him out of self defense then its gonna tear his reputation to shreds anymore.

But these stories were out before about him having substance abuse and drug problems and such but it just wasn't as big of news as if lets say Mayweather had done it. It was there but it sort of went unnoticed, sort of like Kendall Holts issues. If a story doesn't make money then people won't cover it like a big deal. But NOW its a big story because there's a lot of talk around his death so NOW all this information is gonna be published like its something new.

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Agree with almost all of that, apart from comparing it with Holt. Gatti's personal life was ignored because he's a likeable guy & because of what an exciting fighter he is. Kendall Holt's get ignored because frankly there's not enough people who give a sh*t. The more popular (not famous) a fighter, the less heat he will get, Mayweather had some allegations against him that weren't even proven that he got way more crap for than any of these guys for whom there were much more solid allegations. It's also related to the profile someone keeps, Hatton contrary to what he likes to portray likes to live a very unhealthy lifestyle in the full glare of the media between fights hence it always being brought up & in the press becoz he's happy to be seen drunk & lookin like he's auditioning for the lead in the John Candy biopic. Cotto doesn't live that much healthier a lifestyle, however he's smart enough to not be doing it in the glare of the media or inviting people round to watch him get drunk. Obviously none of that is to the extremes of this case, but that's basically why some stuff gets reported & others don't IMO.

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its a bit tasteless if this is the first time this has been mentioned, even sounds like something that would be said to help the wifes case if she did indeed comit the crime

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Not really the first time. Mayweather sort of hinted at Gatti's past and present problems that no one wanted to talk about but wanted to make him look like the bad guy by spilling his personal business out there.

Anyway Gatti as a boxer entertained me, what he was as a person is something we'll all never know.

If it comes out that this is turned into a justifiable homicide as in she killed him out of self defense then its gonna tear his reputation to shreds anymore.

But these stories were out before about him having substance abuse and drug problems and such but it just wasn't as big of news as if lets say Mayweather had done it. It was there but it sort of went unnoticed, sort of like Kendall Holts issues. If a story doesn't make money then people won't cover it like a big deal. But NOW its a big story because there's a lot of talk around his death so NOW all this information is gonna be published like its something new.

Sometimes the media and sportswriters sicken me

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Agree with almost all of that, apart from comparing it with Holt. Gatti's personal life was ignored because he's a likeable guy & because of what an exciting fighter he is. Kendall Holt's get ignored because frankly there's not enough people who give a sh*t. The more popular (not famous) a fighter, the less heat he will get, Mayweather had some allegations against him that weren't even proven that he got way more crap for than any of these guys for whom there were much more solid allegations. It's also related to the profile someone keeps, Hatton contrary to what he likes to portray likes to live a very unhealthy lifestyle in between fights hence it's ignored. Cotto doesn't live that much healthier a lifestyle, however he's smart enough to not be doing it in the glare of the media or inviting people round to watch him get drunk. Obviously none of that is to the extremes of this case, but that's basically why some stuff gets reported & others don't IMO.

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A fair amount of posters share that view. I'm not expecting public figures to be crystal clean in their personal life however I will lose respect for them, the same as if I knew someone personally who acted this way.

I understand if people want to refuse to believe this kind of behaviour because it then calls your judgement in to question and no one really like to be in the wrong. For me it will always taint their memory.

The thing about this is speculation, so I'm sort of withholding my judgement on Gatti's character. There are people in this world that can separate what a man does and how his character truly is.

I always felt that Gatti was a great ring warrior, even if it comes out that he abused her. My response isn't going to change on how I view him inside the ring. Like I've said there are people out there that can separate a person's accomplishments and a person's character. To me gatti's personal life has no bearing what he did inside the ring.

And justifiable homicide is something like self defense, not killing a man when he's drunk and laying in his bed, some people can spin it all they want how premeditated murder is alright, but to the majority it doesn't fly that way.

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Not really the first time. Mayweather sort of hinted at Gatti's past and present problems that no one wanted to talk about but wanted to make him look like the bad guy by spilling his personal business out there.

Anyway Gatti as a boxer entertained me, what he was as a person is something we'll all never know.

If it comes out that this is turned into a justifiable homicide as in she killed him out of self defense then its gonna tear his reputation to shreds anymore.

But these stories were out before about him having substance abuse and drug problems and such but it just wasn't as big of news as if lets say Mayweather had done it. It was there but it sort of went unnoticed, sort of like Kendall Holts issues. If a story doesn't make money then people won't cover it like a big deal. But NOW its a big story because there's a lot of talk around his death so NOW all this information is gonna be published like its something new.

Sometimes the media and sportswriters sicken me

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Agree with almost all of that, apart from comparing it with Holt. Gatti's personal life was ignored because he's a likeable guy & because of what an exciting fighter he is. Kendall Holt's get ignored because frankly there's not enough people who give a sh*t. The more popular (not famous) a fighter, the less heat he will get, Mayweather had some allegations against him that weren't even proven that he got way more crap for than any of these guys for whom there were much more solid allegations. It's also related to the profile someone keeps, Hatton contrary to what he likes to portray likes to live a very unhealthy lifestyle in between fights hence it's ignored. Cotto doesn't live that much healthier a lifestyle, however he's smart enough to not be doing it in the glare of the media or inviting people round to watch him get drunk. Obviously none of that is to the extremes of this case, but that's basically why some stuff gets reported & others don't IMO.

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A fair amount of posters share that view. I'm not expecting public figures to be crystal clean in their personal life however I will lose respect for them, the same as if I knew someone personally who acted this way.

I understand if people want to refuse to believe this kind of behaviour because it then calls your judgement in to question and no one really like to be in the wrong. For me it will always taint their memory.

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Very true Missy.

Just like the Michael Jackson fans that turn a blind eye/refuse to accept he could have been a child molester. ;)

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Agree with almost all of that, apart from comparing it with Holt. Gatti's personal life was ignored because he's a likeable guy & because of what an exciting fighter he is. Kendall Holt's get ignored because frankly there's not enough people who give a sh*t. The more popular (not famous) a fighter, the less heat he will get, Mayweather had some allegations against him that weren't even proven that he got way more crap for than any of these guys for whom there were much more solid allegations. It's also related to the profile someone keeps, Hatton contrary to what he likes to portray likes to live a very unhealthy lifestyle in between fights hence it's ignored. Cotto doesn't live that much healthier a lifestyle, however he's smart enough to not be doing it in the glare of the media or inviting people round to watch him get drunk. Obviously none of that is to the extremes of this case, but that's basically why some stuff gets reported & others don't IMO.

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A fair amount of posters share that view. I'm not expecting public figures to be crystal clean in their personal life however I will lose respect for them, the same as if I knew someone personally who acted this way.

I understand if people want to refuse to believe this kind of behaviour because it then calls your judgement in to question and no one really like to be in the wrong. For me it will always taint their memory.

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Very true Missy.

Just like the Michael Jackson fans that turn a blind eye/refuse to accept he could have been a child molester. ;)

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By that deduction you could be a child molester unlike Michael Jackson who was found not guilty and unlike Gatti who has been seen to knock his woman about.;);)

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A fair amount of posters share that view. I'm not expecting public figures to be crystal clean in their personal life however I will lose respect for them, the same as if I knew someone personally who acted this way.

I understand if people want to refuse to believe this kind of behaviour because it then calls your judgement in to question and no one really like to be in the wrong. For me it will always taint their memory.

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Very true Missy.

Just like the Michael Jackson fans that turn a blind eye/refuse to accept he could have been a child molester. ;)

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By that deduction you could be a child molester unlike Michael Jackson who was found not guilty and unlike Gatti who has been seen to knock his woman about.;);)

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Was Gatti convicted of assaulting her?

Have you been convicted of being a child molester? :detective:

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Missy, that's a comeback worthy of brucelee ;D

I have to say if we're going to convict Gatti based on hearsay & rumour, then we also convict MJ for paying $$$ to the family of a boy he was accused of molesting

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Missy, that's a comeback worthy of brucelee ;D

I have to say if we're going to convict Gatti based on hearsay & rumour, then we also convict MJ for paying $$$ to the family of a boy he was accused of molesting

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I'm not the one repeatedly calling an innocent man a kiddie fiddler, whereas there is evidence that Gatti and his missus were in a violent relationship. I've heard people try to defend Corrales' behaviour.:rolleyes:

......or a family making a ton of money accusing someone really famous of molestation.

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Missy, that's a comeback worthy of brucelee ;D

I have to say if we're going to convict Gatti based on hearsay & rumour, then we also convict MJ for paying $$$ to the family of a boy he was accused of molesting

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I'm not the one repeatedly calling an innocent man a kiddie fiddler, whereas there is evidence that Gatti and his missus were in a violent relationship. I've heard people try to defend Corrales' behaviour.:rolleyes:

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The US legal system is built on litigation. If Tyson paid $$$ to the woman he was convicted of raping & didn't go to jail, people would have used it as evidence of his guilt. I don't believe that MJ did anything with Gavin Arvizo, that woman was clearly out for money. However, the people around him clearly advised him to pay the family of Jordan Chandler the exact figure they demanded, meaning there surely must have been something they wanted to keep out of court. Many consider that evidence of Jackson's inappropriate behaviour with kids.

This was something Floyd alluded to in the build up to their fight.

He said it was hypocritcal that HE was being labelled the villian, when Gatti had so many characters flaws himself.

This is an interesting tidbit from Arturo's friend.

Jeremy Filosa, a broadcaster and friend of Gatti's, told CTV News everyone in Gatti's circle of friends knew there were serious problems in the relationship.
"She vandalized his car, she threw stuff at him. At one point, she gave him a black eye. People were making fun of him, saying, 'Here's a world champ, and his girlfriend is beating him up,'" Filosa said.

Meanwhile, Gatti's sister Anna-Marie discussed the violent nature of the couple's relationship.


"I think she was planning what she had to do, and she kept my brother from us because we would have seen what was going on...She always provoked fights and she always said, 'I'm gonna kill you, I'm gonna kill you," said Gatti, recalling that the entire family had warned Arturo to stay away from Rodrigues.

Gatti's wife has claimed her innocence

Gatti wife to AP: I'm innocent, will be proven - Boxing - Yahoo! Sports

The more I read, the more it seems that this was pre-meditated

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According to one of the greatest specialists of autopsy and murder case (hired by the family) Michael Baden, médico-légal pathologist in chief of the N.Y.P.D, the brazilian autopsy was way incomplete and flawed and needs to answer MANY details: RDS - La premi�re autopsie �tait incompl�te