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Re: Mayweather: "If Manny wants it, I'll pay Juan to step aside"
LOL I don't know if people for the most part are defending JMM so much as just taking note (again) that whenever Floyd opens his mouth something stupid comes out of it.
And I suspect JMM would rather take the 3 or 4 million for fighting. ;D I'm sure he's less dismissive of his chances than you two are.
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Wow...! what a move on Mayweather's part :o.
It's now more than obvious Mayweather really thought he was the bigger PPV draw as well as the people working for him and he wasn't just say it. My guess is they realized that he will lose bargaining power by going though with Marquez and the fight has a low showing. Why else would he make such statements?
I see Arum having a secret meeting..... I smell it!
What I've read before about signed deals is that Marquez is guaranteed 35% of his purse whatever happens.
So why not go though with Marquez and make a deal after? Is it that he might lose to Marquez and not get the chance to face Pacquiao. Man.... Mayweather must really be hurting...?
The question I have is Who is Marquez going to fight if Mayweather aborts?
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OumaFan
LOL I don't know if people for the most part are defending JMM so much as just taking note (again) that whenever Floyd opens his mouth something stupid comes out of it.
And I suspect JMM would rather take the 3 or 4 million for fighting. ;D I'm sure he's less dismissive of his chances than you two are.
Not if they promise him another fight for a million or so.. a winnable one too like Pac (should he lose) after the Floyd fight.. or maybe GB can convince Hatton to get sparked out again
Maybe you're right though. If a champion travels abroad to fight for $30,000 he's probably not gonna give a shit about facing someone for $3-4 million.
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ASIAN SENSATION
That's like saying "I need a better dance partner".
No that like saying
"I am really, really, really broke, I was hoping my undisclosed injury would promt Marquez into siging another fight and I could get the payday I needed against Manny....SHIT!!!.....Do you think everyone knows I am broke?...Damn maybe I can sign with Golden Boy?"
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Kel
Fights not selling so he now wants Pac LMAO!
I would piss my pants if Marquez just told him to stick it then Manny refused and Marquez Pac 3 was made.
That would be amazing! Everyone knows Pac vs JMM would be exciting and a great mix of styles. Plus, Mayweather would feel so stupid. Would not mind this fight happening one more time at all!
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"Bob Arum, insists on a 50-50 purse split. Mayweather stressed that won't happen"
Does he honestly thinks he is entitled to a bigger purse or is he just pricing himself out like I thought he would?
Against any big name fighter he will try to get the upper hand when it comes to purse. Against Manny who has been boxing's biggest star since he Floyd left the sport, he will still demand the bigger half. I honestly doubt the fight will happen because Floyd's ego won't allow it.
Floyd wasn't boxings biggest star before the retirement why would he be now?
Any PPV numbers Floyd has produced worth while were due to his opponent
His numbers with DLH were because DLH was fighting for the P4P title and would have been just as high if Zab Judah was P4P king
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Well, let me say that I've given this very little thought and am chuckling while posting because it seems totally unrealistic. Its just Floyd talking, Floyd's good at fighting, talking err not so much.
They would have to give him Hatton I would think. For a couple million. I would turn off my phones if I was Ricky but meh money's money. This by the way is not to infer that I think this has substance.
And IMO all this assumes to some extent that JMM is cashing himself out. At least a little. And yes I know that all these guys are fighting for money but that doesn't mean that he doesn't think he can beat Floyd or isn't interested in doing it partly for his legacy.
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generalbulldog
Sorry Juan you're not a draw, Pac-Floyd is, that's the fight the boxing fans, other sports fans, and general public wants to see. This is a business simple as that, although I wish Floyd hadn't jump in and signed the Marquez fight.
I would rather see Floyd give a beating to Pac than to Juan.
:LOLATYOU:.......Sorry just when I read your post I have the urge to Mock you...
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OumaFan
Well, let me say that I've given this very little thought and am chuckling while posting because it seems totally unrealistic. Its just Floyd talking, Floyd's good at fighting, talking err not so much.
They would have to give him Hatton I would think. For a couple million. I would turn off my phones if I was Ricky but meh money's money. This by the way is not to infer that I think this has substance.
And IMO all this assumes to some extent that JMM is cashing himself out. At least a little. And yes I know that all these guys are fighting for money but that doesn't mean that he doesn't think he can beat Floyd or isn't interested in doing it partly for his legacy.
Come on Ouma, when has a fighter like Marquez ever talked about "legacy".. he's a proper fighter, and like all proper fighters is searching for his best money option and is willing to fight anyone (apart from Naz back in the day, when finally offered the chance ;)).
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The Fightfan
I'll go the other way now and say Mayweather doesn't want to fight Marquez because he's afraid. I've had enough of this shit it's on, then it's off, it's on, now it could be off again. You FUCKING punk just fight Marquez quit bitching and maybe you can fight Manny next. This is a fucking joke this guy should be suspended for this shit. Fuck Mayweather.
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Jackass it wasn't met to be serious. It's basically just saying whatever one is saying but screw it why not say he's afraid Marquez. If he's such a badass and wanting to fight people who call him out everytime someone sneezes his name well give Marquez the money.
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I don't know what he talks about. ;D I don't keep up.
I agree with you for the most part that money drives everything but these guys do care about their legacies, you don't think beating a guy like Mayweather would be special to him even after he finished rolling around on his bed of money? Athletes in general care to some extent about their legacies, why would boxers be different? I care about my legacy and I haven't accomplished anything.
I'm not going to take the Naz bait. That sounds a bit too much like the Calzaghe-Hopkins negotiation debate, I don't want any part of anything like that, creepy.
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Fenster
Well Floyds words say it all about Marquez chance.
To be fair no one gives Marquez a chance so what's the point of the fight? If the Pac fight can be made then why not scrap it. Marquez wont mind a million for NOT get punched in the head. ;)
Exactly JMM fought Chris John in Indonesia for a bag of Hamburgers... 1 mil is surely worth a few months of someones time
Not to mention you dicks jumped on Floyd for fighting JMM instead of Pac, now your all defenders of Marquez... Holy shat your a bunch of nutters
How can you defend Floyd? The fight was signed, Marquez who has worked fucking hard to get where he is at is expected to just fuck off with a payout because Floyd ain't the draw he thinks he is?
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Re: Mayweather: "If Manny wants it, I'll pay Juan to step aside"
I really think people are placing a bit too much importance on this comment. I don't think it was a serious invitation for Pacquiao, more intended as 'I'm not ducking anybody' kind of comment. He goes on after that about how he rates Marquez as a better fighter than Pac, so I really don't think he's planning to shaft JMM.
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OumaFan
I don't know what he talks about. ;D I don't keep up.
I agree with you for the most part that money drives everything but these guys do care about their legacies, you don't think beating a guy like Mayweather would be special to him even after he finished rolling around on his bed of money? Athletes in general care to some extent about their legacies, why would boxers be different? I care about my legacy and I haven't accomplished anything.
I'm not going to take the Naz bait. That sounds a bit too much like the Calzaghe-Hopkins negotiation debate, I don't want any part of anything like that, creepy.
No bait it's the truth. He turned down a career high payday which obviously contradicts what i said about him.. anyway forget that, I believe Marquez would fight anyone if the price was right (just not Naz for some reason ;D).
I believe boxers are different when it comes to legacy. Do you think Marquez would still choose to fight Floyd if he was offered the same amount of money to rematch Diaz? Or Hatton? Or someone he could beat?
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If we didn't make too much out of things here and there we'd have nothing to talk about. Its better than Bilbo talking about how dinosaurs are really dragons or some shit.
It doesn't surprise me to hear he said JMM was better, its good hyping of the fight (whether or not he believes it) which is why talking about skipping over JMM was a bit of a dumb moment.
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OumaFan
If we didn't make too much out of things here and there we'd have nothing to talk about. Its better than Bilbo talking about how dinosaurs are really dragons or some shit.
It doesn't surprise me to hear he said JMM was better, its good hyping of the fight (whether or not he believes it) which is why talking about skipping over JMM was a bit of a dumb moment.
He may well believe it, a fairly sizeable number of people do. I just think some people want this to be some rosetta stone of proof that Floyd needs Pac, when in reality its a pretty dumb comment probably blurted out as he got all worked up when someone asked him a question about Pac
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OumaFan
I don't know what he talks about. ;D I don't keep up.
I agree with you for the most part that money drives everything but these guys do care about their legacies, you don't think beating a guy like Mayweather would be special to him even after he finished rolling around on his bed of money? Athletes in general care to some extent about their legacies, why would boxers be different? I care about my legacy and I haven't accomplished anything.
I'm not going to take the Naz bait. That sounds a bit too much like the Calzaghe-Hopkins negotiation debate, I don't want any part of anything like that, creepy.
No bait it's the truth. He turned down a career high payday which obviously contradicts what i said about him.. anyway forget that, I believe Marquez would fight anyone if the price was right (just not Naz for some reason ;D).
I believe boxers are different when it comes to legacy. Do you think Marquez would still choose to fight Floyd if he was offered the same amount of money to rematch Diaz? Or Hatton? Or someone he could beat?
Did you say something about JMM and Naz? I blanked out for a second.
Meh, its a bit of a blanket statement because who knows what JMM would do, maybe he would want the chance to beat Floyd because it would be such an accomplishment. And I don't think that's utopian or absurd. I agree that boxers generally are motivated by money first and foremost but you could take that to an extreme where they are just money obsessed robots who don't care about anything else and that's just not likely to be the case for all of them even if money is still numero uno.
But yes I generally agree that fighter A would generally prefer to fight fighter B for 4 million dollars instead of fighter C for 4 millions dollars if fighter B was presumed to be a much easier mark.
However that probably changes somewhat if he feels like he's being made to look like an idiot by fighter C.
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Re: Mayweather: "If Manny wants it, I'll pay Juan to step aside"
So I guess the fight might get cancelled again huh? Maybe they're gonna cancel it for good this time cuz they're still having poor ticket sale.
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generalbulldog
Sorry Juan you're not a draw, Pac-Floyd is, that's the fight the boxing fans, other sports fans, and general public wants to see. This is a business simple as that, although I wish Floyd hadn't jump in and signed the Marquez fight.
I would rather see Floyd give a beating to Pac than to Juan.
:LOLATYOU:.......Sorry just when I read your post I have the urge to Mock you...
Yes because we all know the general public, casual sports fan, and all the boxing fans would rather see Marquez-Floyd than Floyd-Pacman right? :rolleyes:
Even a Rusty Floyd should dust Marquez easily. Juan Marquez can go fight someone in a developing country for 30k again he's out of his league against Floyd and he was lucky to get a 3 or 4 million payday, as someone said he would have been happy to fight someone for a bag of hamburgers.
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OumaFan
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OumaFan
I don't know what he talks about. ;D I don't keep up.
I agree with you for the most part that money drives everything but these guys do care about their legacies, you don't think beating a guy like Mayweather would be special to him even after he finished rolling around on his bed of money? Athletes in general care to some extent about their legacies, why would boxers be different? I care about my legacy and I haven't accomplished anything.
I'm not going to take the Naz bait. That sounds a bit too much like the Calzaghe-Hopkins negotiation debate, I don't want any part of anything like that, creepy.
No bait it's the truth. He turned down a career high payday which obviously contradicts what i said about him.. anyway forget that, I believe Marquez would fight anyone if the price was right (just not Naz for some reason ;D).
I believe boxers are different when it comes to legacy. Do you think Marquez would still choose to fight Floyd if he was offered the same amount of money to rematch Diaz? Or Hatton? Or someone he could beat?
Did you say something about JMM and Naz? I blanked out for a second.
Meh, its a bit of a blanket statement because who knows what JMM would do, maybe he would want the chance to beat Floyd because it would be such an accomplishment. And I don't think that's utopian or absurd. I agree that boxers generally are motivated by money first and foremost but you could take that to an extreme where they are just money obsessed robots who don't care about anything else and that's just not likely to be the case for all of them even if money is still numero uno.
But yes I generally agree that fighter A would generally prefer to fight fighter B for 4 million dollars instead of fighter C for 4 millions dollars if fighter B was presumed to be a much easier mark.
However that probably changes somewhat if he feels like he's being made to look like an idiot by fighter C.
What the funk? A B C what? Lost me ;D
I don't think it's a case of "money obsessed robots".. i think boxing can't really be compared with any other major sport. These guys wouldn't fight without great money rewards, and the legacy comes a huge second to the money, but obviously fans/punters don't want to hear that.
As Toney said that time - you don't PLAY boxing.
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JazMerkin
I really think people are placing a bit too much importance on this comment. I don't think it was a serious invitation for Pacquiao, more intended as 'I'm not ducking anybody' kind of comment. He goes on after that about how he rates Marquez as a better fighter than Pac, so I really don't think he's planning to shaft JMM.
I completely agree with you. People are running with this comment like PBF is new to them. We all know PBF runs his mouth and with running your mouth you often blab and say whatever is at the top of your head. Besides, JMM would have to accept the step aside money if the Pac fight were to happen and if he did that then that means he was satisfied. Plus, lets keep it real. We all would rather see the PBF/Pac fight.
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lol so now all of a sudden the training Marquez does matters and its an insult?
Weren't you people the same guys that were bashing Mayweather to fight Marquez in the first place? saying Floyd was just fighting smaller guys and everything else? So now when he wants Pacquiao you say its an insult to Marquez when you weren't picking him in the first place and bashed Mayweather 3 shades darker for taking that fight and yet you support a Pacquiao vs Cotto fight? You people just find ways to try to hate on someone don't you?
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Majesty
lol so now all of a sudden the training Marquez does matters and its an insult?
Weren't you people the same guys that were bashing Mayweather to fight Marquez in the first place? saying Floyd was just fighting smaller guys and everything else? So now when he wants Pacquiao you say its an insult to Marquez when you weren't picking him in the first place and bashed Mayweather 3 shades darker for taking that fight and yet you support a Pacquiao vs Cotto fight? You people just find ways to try to hate on someone don't you?
Exactly. People were ragging on Floyd for taking the Marquez fight, now Floyd says he's willing to fight Pacman if he wants it. But now everyone is saying Floyd should fight Marquez instead of Pacman because of the hard training Marquez puts in or whatever.
Just give Marquez 1 million (he should be happy if he fought for 30k) or whatever as a buyout and get the Pacman-Floyd fight on, since pacman hasn't sign an contract with Cotto yet it's possible the deal with FLoyd can be made.
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All i see is that Mayweather just layed down the gauntlet and if I dont hear something from Pacquiao, i'll have to assume he don't want to fight Floyd & i'll lose respect for him.
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Majesty
lol so now all of a sudden the training Marquez does matters and its an insult?
Weren't you people the same guys that were bashing Mayweather to fight Marquez in the first place? saying Floyd was just fighting smaller guys and everything else? So now when he wants Pacquiao you say its an insult to Marquez when you weren't picking him in the first place and bashed Mayweather 3 shades darker for taking that fight and yet you support a Pacquiao vs Cotto fight? You people just find ways to try to hate on someone don't you?
Yeah I'm one of those, I bashed Floyd for fighting Marquez instead of welters like Mosley and Cotto and Pac even.
JMM in my opinion at his age can NOT compete againsed elite fighters in higher weight classes. Pac can, and he has proved it. So what is your beef with Pac fighting Cotto?
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All i see is that Mayweather just layed down the gauntlet and if I dont hear something from Pacquiao, i'll have to assume he don't want to fight Floyd & i'll lose respect for him.
So if Pac does not jump like a puppet and agree to fight Floyd at his command he loses your respect?
The boxing world does not revolve around Floyd Mayweather, it never really has........and that's his fault!
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knodaledge
All i see is that Mayweather just layed down the gauntlet and if I dont hear something from Pacquiao, i'll have to assume he don't want to fight Floyd & i'll lose respect for him.
So if Pac does not jump like a puppet and agree to fight Floyd at his command he loses your respect?
The boxing world does not revolve around Floyd Mayweather, it never really has........and that's his fault!
I thought he was being ironic
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Kel
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Fenster
Well Floyds words say it all about Marquez chance.
To be fair no one gives Marquez a chance so what's the point of the fight? If the Pac fight can be made then why not scrap it. Marquez wont mind a million for NOT get punched in the head. ;)
Exactly JMM fought Chris John in Indonesia for a bag of Hamburgers... 1 mil is surely worth a few months of someones time
Not to mention you dicks jumped on Floyd for fighting JMM instead of Pac, now your all defenders of Marquez... Holy shat your a bunch of nutters
How can you defend Floyd? The fight was signed, Marquez who has worked fucking hard to get where he is at is expected to just fuck off with a payout because Floyd ain't the draw he thinks he is?
That is his choice, if he wants to step aside for a mil than so be it.. JMM holds the cards on this one, thats why I shake my head at you guys for giving Floyd shit. He is contractually obligated to fight Marquez and offering him quite a pay day to step aside or To F#CK Off (using your words)
You can say all the shit you want.. Floyd is a draw and the numbers prove it.
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JT Rock
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Kel
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JT Rock
Exactly JMM fought Chris John in Indonesia for a bag of Hamburgers... 1 mil is surely worth a few months of someones time
Not to mention you dicks jumped on Floyd for fighting JMM instead of Pac, now your all defenders of Marquez... Holy shat your a bunch of nutters
How can you defend Floyd? The fight was signed, Marquez who has worked fucking hard to get where he is at is expected to just fuck off with a payout because Floyd ain't the draw he thinks he is?
That is his choice, if he wants to step aside for a mil than so be it.. JMM holds the cards on this one, thats why I shake my head at you guys for giving Floyd shit. He is contractually obligated to fight Marquez and offering him quite a pay day to step aside or To F#CK Off (using your words)
You can say all the shit you want.. Floyd is a draw and the numbers prove it.
No JT Floyds opponents are a draw and their past PPV numbers prove it...Put Mayweather in with an unknown to the public and see what he draws besinds flies for another boring as shit performance
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generalbulldog
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DaxxKahn
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generalbulldog
Sorry Juan you're not a draw, Pac-Floyd is, that's the fight the boxing fans, other sports fans, and general public wants to see. This is a business simple as that, although I wish Floyd hadn't jump in and signed the Marquez fight.
I would rather see Floyd give a beating to Pac than to Juan.
:LOLATYOU:.......Sorry just when I read your post I have the urge to Mock you...
Yes because we all know the general public, casual sports fan, and all the boxing fans would rather see Marquez-Floyd than Floyd-Pacman right? :rolleyes:
Even a Rusty Floyd should dust Marquez easily. Juan Marquez can go fight someone in a developing country for 30k again he's out of his league against Floyd and he was lucky to get a 3 or 4 million payday, as someone said he would have been happy to fight someone for a bag of hamburgers.
And you think Floyd will walk through Pacquiao?
Since Gatti who has Floyd walked through? Even Hatton had him on his best game all night and Hatton is no JMM.....
Your such a big fan and so sure he will walk through Manny why don't you throw in a few bucks for the buy off....Floyd can use every dollar he can get these days
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Majesty
lol so now all of a sudden the training Marquez does matters and its an insult?
Weren't you people the same guys that were bashing Mayweather to fight Marquez in the first place? saying Floyd was just fighting smaller guys and everything else? So now when he wants Pacquiao you say its an insult to Marquez when you weren't picking him in the first place and bashed Mayweather 3 shades darker for taking that fight and yet you support a Pacquiao vs Cotto fight? You people just find ways to try to hate on someone don't you?
Yeah I'm one of those, I bashed Floyd for fighting Marquez instead of welters like Mosley and Cotto and Pac even.
JMM in my opinion at his age can NOT compete againsed elite fighters in higher weight classes. Pac can, and he has proved it.
So what is your beef with Pac fighting Cotto?
The fact that people were crapping on Floyd vs Marquez saying it means nothing for him to beat the smaller guy and some people were saying that about Pacquiao.
yet when Mosley called out Pac, everyone was fine with it, the prospect that Cotto vs Pac is probably being made, and everyone is fine with it.
And my question is, if Mayweather was "too big" to get respect for fighting either of them then why the heck aren't Cotto and Mosley when Floyd is smaller then both of them?
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the oh Floyd is so persecuted shit doesn't work anymore since Manny is clearly the most bashed fighter in the world today. Manny has gotten far more shit for fighting Cotto at 145 than Floyd has for fighting JMM at 144.
And seriously have we not gone over this? People have seen Pacquaio fight at 140 and 147, they haven't seen JMM and so they are more skeptical about his ability to do this. You would think at some point this would get through to some people. In addition to this JMM is old and seen as regressing while Pacquaio is seen as improving.
And yet still Floyd has gotten remarkably little shit for fighting JMM (personally I don't have a big problem with it) mainly because Pacquaio has taken his place as boxing's lightning rod.
This is more about Floyd just being an idiot. Shocking I know.
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Here's a more detailed briefing of the conference call showing that Floyd did just make the Marquez comment after getting worked up & also seems to demonstrate that his issues are with Arum & a lot of what he's been coming out with. Not that he hasn't said some dickhead things today though.
Will money get in way of Pacquiao-Mayweather? - Boxing - Yahoo! Sports
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Majesty
lol so now all of a sudden the training Marquez does matters and its an insult?
Weren't you people the same guys that were bashing Mayweather to fight Marquez in the first place? saying Floyd was just fighting smaller guys and everything else? So now when he wants Pacquiao you say its an insult to Marquez when you weren't picking him in the first place and bashed Mayweather 3 shades darker for taking that fight and yet you support a Pacquiao vs Cotto fight? You people just find ways to try to hate on someone don't you?
I'm bashing Mayweather because he's completely disrespecting Marquez. I can understand, you're a Mayweather fan and you're defending him but you don't see anything wrong with his actions or how he's running his mouth here? He's saying he rates Marquez higher than Pacquiao but is looking to fight Pacquiao instead. How is he trying to make himself look?
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OumaFan
the oh Floyd is so persecuted shit doesn't work anymore since Manny is clearly the most bashed fighter in the world today. Manny has gotten far more shit for fighting Cotto at 145 than Floyd has for fighting JMM at 144.
And seriously have we not gone over this? People have seen Pacquaio fight at 140 and 147, they haven't seen JMM and so they are more skeptical about his ability to do this. You would think at some point this would get through to some people. In addition to this JMM is old and seen as regressing while Pacquaio is seen as improving.
And yet still Floyd has gotten remarkably little shit for fighting JMM (personally I don't have a big problem with it) mainly because Pacquaio has taken his place as boxing's lightning rod.
This is more about Floyd just being an idiot. Shocking I know.
Seriously! Pac is trying to get Cotto to drop a couple pounds and he getting bashed. Floyd is making Juan move 12lbs up!! Juan is in his mid-30s. He should be getting more heat. I can see why people are getting so worked up over Floyd and Manny though. They're two of the best fighters in the world and the best always has their fair share of critics.
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Majesty
lol so now all of a sudden the training Marquez does matters and its an insult?
Weren't you people the same guys that were bashing Mayweather to fight Marquez in the first place? saying Floyd was just fighting smaller guys and everything else? So now when he wants Pacquiao you say its an insult to Marquez when you weren't picking him in the first place and bashed Mayweather 3 shades darker for taking that fight and yet you support a Pacquiao vs Cotto fight? You people just find ways to try to hate on someone don't you?
I'm bashing Mayweather because he's completely disrespecting Marquez. I can understand, you're a Mayweather fan and you're defending him but you don't see anything wrong with his actions or how he's running his mouth here? He's saying he rates Marquez higher than Pacquiao but is looking to fight Pacquiao instead. How is he trying to make himself look?
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OumaFan
the oh Floyd is so persecuted shit doesn't work anymore since Manny is clearly the most bashed fighter in the world today. Manny has gotten far more shit for fighting Cotto at 145 than Floyd has for fighting JMM at 144.
And seriously have we not gone over this? People have seen Pacquaio fight at 140 and 147, they haven't seen JMM and so they are more skeptical about his ability to do this. You would think at some point this would get through to some people. In addition to this JMM is old and seen as regressing while Pacquaio is seen as improving.
And yet still Floyd has gotten remarkably little shit for fighting JMM (personally I don't have a big problem with it) mainly because Pacquaio has taken his place as boxing's lightning rod.
This is more about Floyd just being an idiot. Shocking I know.
Seriously! Pac is trying to get Cotto to drop a couple pounds and he getting bashed. Floyd is making Juan move 12lbs up!! Juan is in his mid-30s. He should be getting more heat. I can see why people are getting so worked up over Floyd and Manny though. They're two of the best fighters in the world and the best always has their fair share of critics.
You & Ouma are Manny fans though so you see less of a problem with what he's doing, whilst Majesty & myself stick up for Floyd despite what he does, so none of us can really claim to be impartial & no doubt come off like 'haters' at times. This can be said though, neither of the 2 best fighters in the world & of their generation are covering themselves in glory with some of their recent behaviour.
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Re: Mayweather: "If Manny wants it, I'll pay Juan to step aside"
I don't see a big problem with what Floyd's doing really fightwise. The only time I really criticized Floyd was when he decided to take a vacation from the second Castillo fight through his early run at welter. That deserved criticism.
Floyd's resume is underrated and he gets too much at criticism at times. I would say the criticism of Manny has been even more absurd lately (unless he demands 143 or nothing for Cotto, I don't have a big problem with a Cotto fight at 145 as I've said now 8, 435 times) considering what he's done over the course of his career but as you say I'm a fan. Although the funny part is the main reason I became a big fan was because of all the absurd criticism.
The only thing I'm critical of with Floyd here is he's an idiot when he opens his mouth but meh its like criticizing George Bush for being an idiot when he opens his mouth, it loses its sting after a while.
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Exactly JMM fought Chris John in Indonesia for a bag of Hamburgers... 1 mil is surely worth a few months of someones time
Not to mention you dicks jumped on Floyd for fighting JMM instead of Pac, now your all defenders of Marquez... Holy shat your a bunch of nutters
How can you defend Floyd? The fight was signed, Marquez who has worked fucking hard to get where he is at is expected to just fuck off with a payout because Floyd ain't the draw he thinks he is?
That is his choice, if he wants to step aside for a mil than so be it.. JMM holds the cards on this one, thats why I shake my head at you guys for giving Floyd shit. He is contractually obligated to fight Marquez and offering him quite a pay day to step aside or To F#CK Off (using your words)
You can say all the shit you want.. Floyd is a draw and the numbers prove it.
You Roger or what? uuurrrgghh!
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lol so now all of a sudden the training Marquez does matters and its an insult?
Weren't you people the same guys that were bashing Mayweather to fight Marquez in the first place? saying Floyd was just fighting smaller guys and everything else? So now when he wants Pacquiao you say its an insult to Marquez when you weren't picking him in the first place and bashed Mayweather 3 shades darker for taking that fight and yet you support a Pacquiao vs Cotto fight? You people just find ways to try to hate on someone don't you?
I never gave JMM a chance; and talked about Floyd picking on smaller guys as well. With this it's not so much finding another reason to hate on him{though if I dig just under the surface it might be;D}as feeling bad for JMM. And he's just going to pick on another small guy, so he might as well stick with the one he picked on 1st.....oh thats right; he realized he's not the big draw and not as much $$$ coming in;D
1st it's the supposed injury and postonement, and now it's the "well, you're not really worthy so take some arcade $$$ and go sit somewhere while the big boys play; you were good enough but not now go away" snubbing.....all the while JMM's still training. That's just what I get out of it and why I dislike it; not speaking for anyone else. It's just insulting to me; though I guess it's up to JMM to feel insulted or not.
It's not about thinking JMM suddenly has a chance; it's he got his shot to try and now is getting thrown in the backeat, or more actually out of the car. A million to go disappear is alot of $$$; but not as much as he would have made, and he should be like Floyd and play the $$$ factor and make him stick to the contract. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Hell he should make Floyd stick to it just to spite him.
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and see what he draws besinds flies for another boring as shit performance
Surely you wouldnt mind listing these so called boring as shat performances
among his 39 fights.
Thanks;)
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and see what he draws besinds flies for another boring as shit performance
Surely you wouldnt mind listing these so called boring as shat performances
among his 39 fights.
Thanks;)
I've found pretty much all of his fights to be exciting, or interesting to watch. Except a few of his fights above Jr Welterweight. At Super Feathweight he was a pleasure to watch, because he could be a boxer/puncher, because he had pretty heavy hands at that weightclass.
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All i see is that Mayweather just layed down the gauntlet and if I dont hear something from Pacquiao, i'll have to assume he don't want to fight Floyd & i'll lose respect for him.
So if Pac does not jump like a puppet and agree to fight Floyd at his command he loses your respect?
The boxing world does not revolve around Floyd Mayweather, it never really has........and that's his fault!
I thought he was being ironic
I thought he was being a twat