Yet another example of astonishing fossil preservation

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We also know from observation and experience that is a universal law that order turns into disorder, everything is mixing up and become less orderly as time advances.

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Much of your post seems to rest on this. It's a "natural law" that is widely misinterpreted and misused, as it is here.

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Its a universal experience CGM. Please show me a single example from either your own experience or scientific testing where increasing order has resulted from disorder?

How many times has science managed to create an explosion that built something, or how many times has life 'popped' into existence, or maybe an inanimate object turned to life?

All of these ideas are ludicrous to the extreme, yet for some reason people believe that by extrapolating them to even greater heights, and then placing the events billions of years into times past that they become plausible. It is an interesting exercise in self delusion.

If a hand grenade thrown into a house cannot tidy the house up or a bombing of an automobile factory cannot produce a new car how much more absurd is it to believe that an explosion could create the entire known universe?

Order into disorder is a universal, unavoidable fact of this universe. Everything is dying, everything is losing information and deteriorating. Please if I am misuing this idea then suggest just one single example where this is contradicted?

Macro evolution runs counter to science, it is anti scientific by definition.

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Isn't radioactivity the perfect example of this? Whereby decay of the atom at any point is random, however over a time period the half life is regular. You can also map out the daughter atoms and create time lines from them to date rocks, ie they become "increasingly ordered" or what ever you said.

What about the fossil and pollen record Bilbo? It's been proven that carnivorous animals were on land before plants were, and how the dominant plant species have changed over time based on the environment (ie one plant dominates, while the others struggle/die off). Doesn't this re-enforce the idea of evolution.

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What about the fossil and pollen record Bilbo? It's been proven that carnivorous animals were on land before plants were, and how the dominant plant species have changed over time based on the environment (ie one plant dominates, while the others struggle/die off). Doesn't this re-enforce the idea of evolution.

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For it to be 'proven' that carnivorous animals were on land before plants were it would have to be 'proven' that the geological time scale is correct and that rock layers represent different era's of geological time.

As a catastrophist however I don't believe the layers reperesent periods of time but are simply how mud, silt, animal and plant matter etc were deposited after the flood.

For example, evolutionists believe the Grand Canyone formed over million of years by gradual erosion due to the Colarado River. Thus layers at the bottom are millions of years older than those on the top.

I however believe the canyon was carved out in a matter of weeks following massive geological tectonic activity at the time of the flood.

Thus according to my interperation what rocks plants are found in merely reperesents the order they were buried in and has nothing whatsoever to do with geological time.

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What about the fossil and pollen record Bilbo? It's been proven that carnivorous animals were on land before plants were, and how the dominant plant species have changed over time based on the environment (ie one plant dominates, while the others struggle/die off). Doesn't this re-enforce the idea of evolution.

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For it to be 'proven' that carnivorous animals were on land before plants were it would have to be 'proven' that the geological time scale is correct and that rock layers represent different era's of geological time.

As a catastrophist however I don't believe the layers reperesent periods of time but are simply how mud, silt, animal and plant matter etc were deposited after the flood.

For example, evolutionists believe the Grand Canyone formed over million of years by gradual erosion due to the Colarado River. Thus layers at the bottom are millions of years older than those on the top.

I however believe the canyon was carved out in a matter of weeks following massive geological tectonic activity at the time of the flood.

Thus according to my interperation what rocks plants are found in merely reperesents the order they were buried in and has nothing whatsoever to do with geological time.

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How old is earth Bilbo?

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What about the fossil and pollen record Bilbo? It's been proven that carnivorous animals were on land before plants were, and how the dominant plant species have changed over time based on the environment (ie one plant dominates, while the others struggle/die off). Doesn't this re-enforce the idea of evolution.

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For it to be 'proven' that carnivorous animals were on land before plants were it would have to be 'proven' that the geological time scale is correct and that rock layers represent different era's of geological time.

As a catastrophist however I don't believe the layers reperesent periods of time but are simply how mud, silt, animal and plant matter etc were deposited after the flood.

For example, evolutionists believe the Grand Canyone formed over million of years by gradual erosion due to the Colarado River. Thus layers at the bottom are millions of years older than those on the top.

I however believe the canyon was carved out in a matter of weeks following massive geological tectonic activity at the time of the flood.

Thus according to my interperation what rocks plants are found in merely reperesents the order they were buried in and has nothing whatsoever to do with geological time.

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As an actual geology student, I find your argument ridiculous. I really can't be bothered going into it because I doubt it will change your mind :)

Edit: you didn't answer my question about radioactive series

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As an actual geology student, I find your argument ridiculous. I really can't be bothered going into it because I doubt it will change your mind :)

Edit: you didn't answer my question about radioactive series

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Don't try to muddle the basis of a fool's arguement with something as simple as facts, Salty. They won't hear it.

If we can all continue not to care if we change others minds or not and not care about being right , and keep this as level as we have managed so far, I think this is a fascinating view on the different perspectives we as humans have on the bigger questions.

To actually have this conversation around a table would have some finish with their freinds who they share other interests with. Wars have started over this stuff.

I think we are doing well considering the scope of it all and the history surrounding both schools.

Specially when you consider the torture and killing done by the religious leaders in the past to those who were on the fore front of science and dared to go against the Catholic Church. (which I belive the true Christian movement should of separated themselves from totally.

To be honest I think the pain still runs through many people from their familys genetics being burned at the stake all in the name of their Biblical God of love.

Carry on. :spongebob: Oh and Bilbo my friend, God is bigger than any one religion.

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If we can all continue not to care if we change others minds or not and not care about being right , and keep this as level as we have managed so far, I think this is a fascinating view on the different perspectives we as humans have on the bigger questions.

To actually have this conversation around a table would have some finish with their freinds who they share other interests with. Wars have started over this stuff.

I think we are doing well considering the scope of it all and the history surrounding both schools.

Specially when you consider the torture and killing done by the religious leaders in the past to those who were on the fore front of science and dared to go against the Catholic Church. (which I belive the true Christian movement should of separated themselves from totally.

To be honest I think the pain still runs through many people from their familys genetics being burned at the stake all in the name of their Biblical God of love.

Carry on. :spongebob: Oh and Bilbo my friend, God is bigger than any one religion.

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I agree Andre healthy debate is fun and stimulating no need to be offended if someone disagrees with your views.

As for myself I think I'm probably 50 years or so ahead of my time. Of course everything I have said, in relation to evolution, the Global Elite and World Order, the Depopulation Agenda etc will eventually be bourne out to be true but right now those living inside the bubble cannot see beyond it.

It would be satisfying to comeb back in half a century and say ' I told you so' but sadly if I am alive at all it will likely be in a mass slave colony along with the rest of you all and I won't feel much like gloating.

I may know what's going down, but I'll be caught up and beaten down along with the rest of you, although I will at least know it's coming.

Great Thread, it reminds me of something I read many years ago. Knowledge is the Godhead of Creativity. ;D

I can see whats on the horizon too in a few different ways. A couple simply just by honestly looking at our direction as a whole group and seing us all running around blaming everyone else stealing ,bashing,and going to war group against group all laying blame outside of themselves.
Also by the changes that the weather and the Earth are begining to kick up as well as some outer planetary changes that are here as well. But I wont be blaming anyone else but us, if we do slip further as a group and suffer from it.

Some will blame the world, others may blame others or just nature, some will blame science and advancements such as chemicals that poison us through food,the frequencies that block out the true energies we are ment to live by and some will blame God thinking its a punishment because thats what was written down for them by other men who could also see into the future but could only think out of the square that their forefathers had taught them to view things from and they will teach others that it is a punishment instead of a consequence and that causes the rift between mans thoughts and Gods Love to continue.

At the end of the day if you place blame outside of yourself for anything then nothing from within yourself will ever change.

If you view what is to come as change and you are up for change and dont live in the past and hold onto false things that will die off anyway, it may be a touch easier.

But if you view it all as a consequence of yours and others actions then you really have mentally and spiritually evolved to a point that you wont allow those mistakes or choices to occur from your own point again.

I'm fucking exhausted after reading this whole thread and can't muster the energy to even reply with anything substantive:sweat:

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I'm fucking exhausted after reading this whole thread and can't muster the energy to even reply with anything substantive:sweat:

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Surprised to see your name against a post and that you even bothered to look into it bro.

I`ll tell you the best arguement I`ve ever encountered from a creationist. And am a bit surprised more don`t use it, because if anything, it makes a world more sense to me. It is this, are you ready ? Seriously ?

"I'm happier believing."

I couldn`t argue that. In fact, I didn`t want to. Good stuff.

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I'm fucking exhausted after reading this whole thread and can't muster the energy to even reply with anything substantive:sweat:

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Surprised to see your name against a post and that you even bothered to look into it bro.

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I dont follow you? What do you mean against a post? and why are you suprised I read the thread?

God is gay, dinosaurs are gay, Bilbo is gay, creationism is gay, evolution is gay, everything is gay. That is all. :oooh:

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God is gay, dinosaurs are gay, Bilbo is gay, creationism is gay, evolution is gay, everything is gay. That is all. :oooh:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbGkxcY7YFU

And Tarvoris Cloud is surely gay too. What a name. Clinton Woods might disagree with me, but that would make him gay too. Lots of gayness all around. :cool:

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God is gay, dinosaurs are gay, Bilbo is gay, creationism is gay, evolution is gay, everything is gay. That is all. :oooh:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbGkxcY7YFU

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Let's all get down and funky. "What what (in the butt)".
:dj2::banllama::dance:

Right on, sisters. Let's all do some mincing. Where's that Jimmy Sommerville? I want to wear a tight t-shirt and show some mid riff!

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I'm fucking exhausted after reading this whole thread and can't muster the energy to even reply with anything substantive:sweat:

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Surprised to see your name against a post and that you even bothered to look into it bro.

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I dont follow you? What do you mean against a post? and why are you suprised I read the thread?

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Oh sorry I wasnt clear there: Didnt mean against something. more that your name was up as posting something under this thread title:

I was surprized to see your name on a post in this thread.

I just didnt think you'd be much into the content thats all.

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God is gay, dinosaurs are gay, Bilbo is gay, creationism is gay, evolution is gay, everything is gay. That is all. :oooh:

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:gay5: Including having fried man sausages in your av pic, you should a gone wid da burger son .

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God is gay, dinosaurs are gay, Bilbo is gay, creationism is gay, evolution is gay, everything is gay. That is all. :oooh:

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:gay5: Including having fried man sausages in your av pic, you should a gone wid da burger son .

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I must be gay too. Darn it, just no escaping this gayness. :-X

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God is gay, dinosaurs are gay, Bilbo is gay, creationism is gay, evolution is gay, everything is gay. That is all. :oooh:

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:gay5: Including having fried man sausages in your av pic, you should a gone wid da burger son .

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I must be gay too. Darn it, just no escaping this gayness. :-X

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I thought we established that months ago. ???

fag!

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:gay5: Including having fried man sausages in your av pic, you should a gone wid da burger son .

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I must be gay too. Darn it, just no escaping this gayness. :-X

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I thought we established that months ago. ???

fag!

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LOL. Miles has a short term memory. He wants to infect the world with his gayness but he has forgotten that he is gay.;D;D;D


How tragic!!!;D

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I must be gay too. Darn it, just no escaping this gayness. :-X

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I thought we established that months ago. ???

fag!

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LOL. Miles has a short term memory. He wants to infect the world with his gayness but he has forgotten that he is gay.;D;D;D


How tragic!!!;D

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Well to be fair you maybe getting mixed up : Miles is in south east Asia, Bilbo dreams of being in a South east Asian.

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I thought we established that months ago. ???

fag!

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LOL. Miles has a short term memory. He wants to infect the world with his gayness but he has forgotten that he is gay.;D;D;D


How tragic!!!;D

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Well to be fair you maybe getting mixed up : Miles is in south east Asia, Bilbo dreams of being in a South east Asian.

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No, there's no mixed up Andre.

I know Miles is in south east asia specifically in Korea where there are many transvestites and I have long known that Bilbo likes asian ladies.

I just don't know if it was Miles who instilled this predilection of perversity to many Koreans or the other way around.;D;D;D

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I don't believe in evolution and little by little, Bilbo is giving me more reasons not to believe it.

:cool: Thanks Bilbo.

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Did he buy you a mirror?

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Rather incredibly the BBC news website reports today how palaeontologists have actually drawn using ink from a 150 million year old squid.

BBC NEWS | UK | England | Wiltshire | Ink found in Jurassic-era squid


So not only is this squid unevolved in over 150 million years of evolution it's ink sac full of ink has remained nice and wet for of all that time, no small achievement considering the nozzles on my last printer clogged and went dry after just a few months :rolleyes:

Am I the only person here who is sceptical that ink can remain in a liquid form for over 150 million years? That's one hell of a fucking shelf life I'd like to see Epson manage that :)

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Which part do you have problems with understanding? The fact that is hasn't evolved or they found ink?

Sharks haven't 'evolved' either, there's a very simple reason for this, hope you're paying attention - there is no need - they are top predators (apart from us) and their environment hasn't really forced change either. Same with squid ;) hope that helps.

Actually the only real change they need to make to kill more humans.

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LOL. Miles has a short term memory. He wants to infect the world with his gayness but he has forgotten that he is gay.;D;D;D


How tragic!!!;D

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Well to be fair you maybe getting mixed up : Miles is in south east Asia, Bilbo dreams of being in a South east Asian.

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No, there's no mixed up Andre.

I know Miles is in south east asia specifically in Korea where there are many transvestites and I have long known that Bilbo likes asian ladies.

I just don't know if it was Miles who instilled this predilection of perversity to many Koreans or the other way around.;D;D;D

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WTF is all this about? You always seem to be stirring things up whenever I am not around. :mad:

There is nothing perverse about me at all. I am a guy who can mock himself quite freely. I can call myself a big gay and be quite comfortable in the knowledge that I am not a big gay. But if you want to think otherwise to keep your fantasy alive then that is okay by me.

And where are these Korean transvestites? You are thinking about other countries there. You don't get anything so exciting as a transvestite out in this neck of the woods. :-\

Bruce you are a big :gay-as-steelie: ;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D

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Well to be fair you maybe getting mixed up : Miles is in south east Asia, Bilbo dreams of being in a South east Asian.

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No, there's no mixed up Andre.

I know Miles is in south east asia specifically in Korea where there are many transvestites and I have long known that Bilbo likes asian ladies.

I just don't know if it was Miles who instilled this predilection of perversity to many Koreans or the other way around.;D;D;D

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WTF is all this about? You always seem to be stirring things up whenever I am not around. :mad:

There is nothing perverse about me at all. I am a guy who can mock himself quite freely. I can call myself a big gay and be quite comfortable in the knowledge that I am not a big gay. But if you want to think otherwise to keep your fantasy alive then that is okay by me.

And where are these Korean transvestites? You are thinking about other countries there. You don't get anything so exciting as a transvestite out in this neck of the woods. :-\

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PrOOF! :spongebob:

This thread is no fun at all without Bilbo around.

Andre gets post of the day. I laughed out loud on that one.

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No, there's no mixed up Andre.

I know Miles is in south east asia specifically in Korea where there are many transvestites and I have long known that Bilbo likes asian ladies.

I just don't know if it was Miles who instilled this predilection of perversity to many Koreans or the other way around.;D;D;D

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WTF is all this about? You always seem to be stirring things up whenever I am not around. :mad:

There is nothing perverse about me at all. I am a guy who can mock himself quite freely. I can call myself a big gay and be quite comfortable in the knowledge that I am not a big gay. But if you want to think otherwise to keep your fantasy alive then that is okay by me.

And where are these Korean transvestites? You are thinking about other countries there. You don't get anything so exciting as a transvestite out in this neck of the woods. :-\

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PrOOF! :spongebob:

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Well, I google phillipine transvestite and got 10,800,000 hits
googled South Korean transvestite and got 159,000 hits.

That proves that brucelee is far more likely to be a transvestite than Miles.

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WTF is all this about? You always seem to be stirring things up whenever I am not around. :mad:

There is nothing perverse about me at all. I am a guy who can mock himself quite freely. I can call myself a big gay and be quite comfortable in the knowledge that I am not a big gay. But if you want to think otherwise to keep your fantasy alive then that is okay by me.

And where are these Korean transvestites? You are thinking about other countries there. You don't get anything so exciting as a transvestite out in this neck of the woods. :-\

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PrOOF! :spongebob:

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Well, I google phillipine transvestite and got 10,800,000 hits
googled South Korean transvestite and got 159,000 hits.

That proves that brucelee is far more likely to be a transvestite than Miles.

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That's pretty cool.

I did put my foot in it with one of those Freudian slip thingies, but this data proves that brucelee poses the far bigger risk of being one of those types that Bilbo most likes to fondle.

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Rather incredibly the BBC news website reports today how palaeontologists have actually drawn using ink from a 150 million year old squid.

BBC NEWS | UK | England | Wiltshire | Ink found in Jurassic-era squid


So not only is this squid unevolved in over 150 million years of evolution it's ink sac full of ink has remained nice and wet for of all that time, no small achievement considering the nozzles on my last printer clogged and went dry after just a few months :rolleyes:

Am I the only person here who is sceptical that ink can remain in a liquid form for over 150 million years? That's one hell of a fucking shelf life I'd like to see Epson manage that :)

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Which part do you have problems with understanding? The fact that is hasn't evolved or they found ink?

Sharks haven't 'evolved' either, there's a very simple reason for this, hope you're paying attention - there is no need - they are top predators (apart from us) and their environment hasn't really forced change either. Same with squid ;) hope that helps.

Actually the only real change they need to make to kill more humans.

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They have evolved, they got smaller.

http://www.fossilweb.com/products/mega_held.jpg


Of course that tooth is only 6000 years old. :)

that's one big cap.;D

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that's one big cap.;D

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Did they find it in a dinosaurs ass?

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that's one big cap.;D

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It'd be really difficult to walk round wearing a necklace of them.

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No, there's no mixed up Andre.

I know Miles is in south east asia specifically in Korea where there are many transvestites and I have long known that Bilbo likes asian ladies.

I just don't know if it was Miles who instilled this predilection of perversity to many Koreans or the other way around.;D;D;D

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WTF is all this about? You always seem to be stirring things up whenever I am not around. :mad:

There is nothing perverse about me at all. I am a guy who can mock himself quite freely. I can call myself a big gay and be quite comfortable in the knowledge that I am not a big gay. But if you want to think otherwise to keep your fantasy alive then that is okay by me.

And where are these Korean transvestites? You are thinking about other countries there. You don't get anything so exciting as a transvestite out in this neck of the woods. :-\

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PrOOF! :spongebob:

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LOL.

To Andre,

You're quite perceptive.lol


To Miles,

Just returning the favor bro. LOL. Remembering the stalking you've been doing on me? LOL. Just returning the favor.;D;D;D

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that's one big cap.;D

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Did they find it in a dinosaurs ass?

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wouldn't it be great if they did?;D

Maybe it went next to the exhibit that said T-Rex was vegetarian.