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Re: Manny Pacquao, How great is he???
This guy Manny Pacquao... is a total unknown, as far as I am concerned. What would he be great at? Having a name similar, almost identical to that of P4P numero uno, Manny Pacquiao?
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Can't help it guys. How can Manny Pacquiao be great at this point, if we can't even spell his name right! LOL.
However, we do need to release some steam, especially the big boys!
Let us all just stay away from any Pacquiao discussions... for his rise to fame, amazing as it is, is littered with fallen heroes for some of us. This is baggage that is indeed hard to let go, however logically, it is necessarily so.
A few more hundred barrels of ale, greyed out goatees, and little pinches of maturity, then can we move on and be at a level objective, as to enlighten and display wisdom to this topic we are attempting to be impartial about.
As for now... the topic is moot because Mayweather is actually number one, and Marquez is numero uno!:)
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Re: Manny Pacquao, How great is he???
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mnmc10
pac haters are the worst, they cant think of anything bad to say about pac so they turn to insulting the pacfans, casual boxing fans, anyone who mentions pacs name and filipinos in general.
pac doesnt belong at top 10 but he sure is an ATG. stop making excuses that jmm beat him twice, to some maybe thats your opinion. jmm shouldve kod pac for a sure win but he cant jmm found himself on the canvass instead. and a W on his record is a win against jmm.
hatton lost cause he stuck his face infront of pac? well thats not pacs fault, hatton did not adjust against pac and he deserved what he got. hatton was the same against pbf and he wasnt able to finish hatton the same way as pac did.
http://memegenerator.net/Instances/5...tory-bro41.jpg
lmao
anyways Pac is great. Great enough to be in the top 10?? not IMO
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Pacdbest2
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JazMerkin
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Pacdbest2
For me he's is the Greatest I've seen. I started Wacthing Boxing in the 70s with Ali, Duran & SRL. I think He surpassed them all already.
You would think that, sorry but he's still got a fair bit of work to reach that level :rolleyes:
On the topic of where he is, at present I would have him definitely in the Top 40, probably somewhere close on either side of 30. A win over Cotto would certainly push him higher, but the problem is that as much as people don't want to hear it, there are question marks over some of his biggest wins (Oscar, Morales & Marquez). Also for me, I don't feel there's one division that he really dominated to class him as one of the best in that particular division.
Also how people rank him is based often on an individual's preferences, how they weight competition, skill & external factors. I would have him & Mayweather roughly equivalent, but someone pulled out the Ring ratings earlier, & tbh I would have both these guys over Marciano & Chavez, & certainly already level with Jofre & Arguello.
If Pacquiao beat Cotto & then Mayweather, I would have him Top 10 borderline. One thing though is that boxing unlike other sports isn't one to gloss over certain issues through history (i.e. decisions, a fighter being weight drained etc) so I don't think his career will start looking better with time. But, the guy deserves the utmost respect for his achievements & I think he will TKO Cotto within 9.
What your saying are just excuses!!! Pac is one of the Greats now. When he's about to take MAB every critics said He's biting more than he can Chew. He takes EM, they say he's too small, He takes DLH, he's too small again, they say it's impossible for pac to win. When Pac was still at 130 they say Hatton will kill Pac. Now Pac Beat the hell af all their asses you guys come out with these excuses.
Now Pac was about to take out Cotto. what will be your excuse again???
Pac Beat The best opponents available, he didn't duck nobody. He defied logic. He proved Critics wrong. He wins spectacularly. Very few can top that.
I say the guy is one of the best 30 fighters of all time & you throw a fit over it. You do realize the significance of that? A sport that's been around something like its current form for a 125 years or so, & he is one of the 30 best practitioners in that time says a lot about how highly I rate him. But no according to you, I'm trying to make excuses. Hey, I wasn't the one comparing him to Ali, Duran & Ray Leonard. He is great now, but so were those guys, can't help if I (& most boxing fans) rate them higher.
I've said he'll beat Cotto, & I give him full credit for beating Barrera. The problem with you is that unless someone praises Pac unequivocally & says he's the best of all time, you lose your minds & see it as 'hate'. I swear if he ran over a toddler, you'd probably say the child was a Marquez fan & asked for it :-\
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Re: Manny Pacquao, How great is he???
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mnmc10
pac haters are the worst, they cant think of anything bad to say about pac so they turn to insulting the pacfans, casual boxing fans, anyone who mentions pacs name and filipinos in general.
pac doesnt belong at top 10 but he sure is an ATG. stop making excuses that jmm beat him twice, to some maybe thats your opinion. jmm shouldve kod pac for a sure win but he cant jmm found himself on the canvass instead. and a W on his record is a win against jmm.
hatton lost cause he stuck his face infront of pac? well thats not pacs fault, hatton did not adjust against pac and he deserved what he got. hatton was the same against pbf and he wasnt able to finish hatton the same way as pac did.
Pac is an atg, but where he ranks is for debate because everyone's list is different. No one's insulting Pac fans just that some of his fans are on their idiotic ramblings when someone doesn't praise him enough. He beat MAB there's no excuse for that, he beat JMM at least once imo, he beat Hatton, I just never rate Hatton highly, and it's Hatton's die hard fans that are using the excuses, not boxing fans in general. Real boxing fans just saw the huge talent gap between the 2 and believe that at any point of Hatton's career he would still lose this version of Pac. There's no debate on that.
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leftylee
I have to agree with Ice. He is a great fighter but somehwhat overrated. A lot of people are blinded by the De La Hoya and Hatton fights and forget what Marquez did to him.
He is by no means invincible or any shiit like that, I think Mayweather beats him. And there are also question marks over Cotto. I mean how much did Margarito take out of him. Look at how he looked in the Clottey fight. I don't think Pacquiao will gain massive amounts of great credit if he beats Cotto. Of course he'll gain a lot and so he should. But Mosely is pretty much the man at welterweight right now, and Cotto looks to be on the slide. And I think when Pacquiao beats Cotto (Which I think he will) people will raise the question of the catchweight at what they fought. IMO anyways.
which a lot of people including you thought he was gonna get slaughtered in those fights... the hating continues and so on.....
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josef4334
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leftylee
I have to agree with Ice. He is a great fighter but somehwhat overrated. A lot of people are blinded by the De La Hoya and Hatton fights and forget what Marquez did to him.
He is by no means invincible or any shiit like that, I think Mayweather beats him. And there are also question marks over Cotto. I mean how much did Margarito take out of him. Look at how he looked in the Clottey fight. I don't think Pacquiao will gain massive amounts of great credit if he beats Cotto. Of course he'll gain a lot and so he should. But Mosely is pretty much the man at welterweight right now, and Cotto looks to be on the slide. And I think when Pacquiao beats Cotto (Which I think he will) people will raise the question of the catchweight at what they fought. IMO anyways.
which a lot of people including you thought he was gonna get slaughtered in those fights... the hating continues and so on.....
Nobody knew Oscar was that shot except for Freddie Roach. Roach called Oscar a "walking dead man". He himself said the fight would never of happened if he thought Oscar was any type of threat. Think about that for a second. How much credit you going to give Pac for beating a man who really couldn't fight any more? Hell Roach even went as far as saying he wouldn't get paid if Oscar won. He was that sure Oscar was finished.
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Re: Manny Pacquao, How great is he???
I think you have to give credit to pac for going through the divisions , and still carrying power and speed , opinions will always differ , especially when some love him and some hate him. Those who love or hate him really cant give and unbiased view. I do know what I'm talking about , take my hero Tommy Hearns for example , i would make excuses for him , and defend him in any argument , now however when older and wiser although still my favorite boxer ever , i can see both the good and bad in him as a fighter.
Its also like my view of Joe Calzaghe , because i hated him , i can never really give a balanced view , I'm always going to dwell on the bad parts of his makeup , and give little credit for the good points.
I do find it hard to understand why people hate PACMAN , he is exciting and is not a loudmouth, boxing in my opinion will be a worse place when Manny hangs up his gloves.
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Violent Demise
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porkypara
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Violent Demise
There's still work to be done. Since your still actually here
Do you have any idea how many great fighters there's been in the history of Boxing? Being ranked in the top 100 is a great accomplishment. Why make it an insult?
Been here since 2004 so it would take more than a knob jocky like your self to make me quit this site.
I guess back in 2004 you would have been about 3 or 4 years old which would make you around 8 or 9 now.
Than stop whining about how you almost left. Seriously what was the point in that? I certainly don't give a fukk if you do or don't.
If I'm 9 years old than your clearly a female. A bitter female who just looks for something to complain about. Case in point.
I'm thinking your a Pac fan. Ok. Fine. Now tell me. What exactly bothered you about my post? Was it me calling him a sure Hall of Famer? Top 100 all time? Maybe when I said his accomplishments were great and he's had a great career? That rub you the wrong way? Those are compliments. What more you want?
Wait. I think i know. The problem is that's not good enough for you, huh? I didn't get on my knees and give Pacquiao his daily virtual blow job like you and the other Pac groupies do. There was no "Pacquiao is the greatest who ever lived." No "Pacquiao would destroy Ray Robinson and Roberto Duran" talk. The "Pacquiao looks so dreamy" references were also missing. So because I didn't do that you take my post as an attack on Pacquiao. :vd: Your fukking pathetic.
The fact that we dont agree is the whole point on having fourms.It would be quite boring if everybody agreed with each other.
What bothers me about YOU in general,is that every time you post somthing on here you always feel the need to insult or call sombody a name like a youg child in the school yard.
You are a good example of an internet warrior acting the big man while on your keyboard safe knowing that you can say what you want without getting a punch in the nose which is what you would have if you said thoses type of things to anybody face to face.
Also like your tough guy name,:beat:
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porkypara
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
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porkypara
Been here since 2004 so it would take more than a knob jocky like your self to make me quit this site.
I guess back in 2004 you would have been about 3 or 4 years old which would make you around 8 or 9 now.
Than stop whining about how you almost left. Seriously what was the point in that? I certainly don't give a fukk if you do or don't.
If I'm 9 years old than your clearly a female. A bitter female who just looks for something to complain about. Case in point.
I'm thinking your a Pac fan. Ok. Fine. Now tell me. What exactly bothered you about my post? Was it me calling him a sure Hall of Famer? Top 100 all time? Maybe when I said his accomplishments were great and he's had a great career? That rub you the wrong way? Those are compliments. What more you want?
Wait. I think i know. The problem is that's not good enough for you, huh? I didn't get on my knees and give Pacquiao his daily virtual blow job like you and the other Pac groupies do. There was no "Pacquiao is the greatest who ever lived." No "Pacquiao would destroy Ray Robinson and Roberto Duran" talk. The "Pacquiao looks so dreamy" references were also missing. So because I didn't do that you take my post as an attack on Pacquiao. :vd: Your fukking pathetic.
The fact that we dont agree is the whole point on having fourms.It would be quite boring if everybody agreed with each other.
What bothers me about YOU in general,is that every time you post somthing on here you always feel the need to insult or call sombody a name like a youg child in the school yard.
You are a good example of an internet warrior acting the big man while on your keyboard safe knowing that you can say what you want without getting a punch in the nose which is what you would have if you said thoses type of things to anybody face to face.
Also like your tough guy name,:beat:
think you're being a bit too oversensitive, forum's are basically used for people to be able to give their views and their opinions on the given subject, and you're basically callin out VD on this thread when he hasn't even insulted anyone yet, which i admit is very odd lol, but hell he's allowed to have his opinion and i actually agree with him, IMO Pacquiao isn't top 10 or 20 ATG, i'd probably have him in my top 50, but i can name loads of fighters who have accomplished just as much or more than Manny, to say that he's better than Ali, Duran, Leonard, Robinson, Armstrong, hell even George Foreman is pretty ridiculous to me, and like VD said, given how many great fighters there are in the history of this great sport, to say he's in your top 100 is no insult, IMO he's the greatest fighter or one of the top 2 greatest fighters (might have Villa ahead) to come out of the Philippines, take the compliments, and don't try to force your views of him as a god on everyone else, cause although he is a great fighter, he's far from perfect
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Re: Manny Pacquao, How great is he???
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blegit
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generalbulldog
Ring magazines top 80 fighters. This list was done in 2002. And here are the top 10.
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3.
Muhammad Ali
4. Joe Louis
5.
Roberto Duran
6. Willie Pep
7. Harry Greb
8. Benny Leonard
9.
Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker
Pac and Mayweather are great but even if they win their next bout and meets in the ring and whoever wins that bout, won't make the top 10 imo.
Pac has questionable decisions in some of his biggest fights, particularly his bouts with Marquez, and Floyd has a reputation of
ducking the best fighters in the WW division. They're not getting into that top 10 list, even if they win their next 2 or 3 superfights. Hell I don't even think 1 of them will make it in the top 20. Here's the list from 11-20.
11. Carlos Monzon
12.
Rocky Marciano
13. Ezzard Charles
14. Archie Moore
15. Sandy Saddler
16. Jack Dempsey
17.
Marvin Hagler
18. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Eder Jofre
20. Alexis Arguello
The top 20 guys have a better resume than Floyd and Pac.
I think this is a great breakdown. Pac and PBF are great talents and if we went by just that then we have top 10 arguments. But their resumes and what they've done during their tenures are not that of the top 20. I think we need to see more from Pac such as fighting some different styles, like some elite boxer movers, than just the straight in guys he's been lunching on. I think we need to see PBF fight a Mosley(not a Pac) or some top 3 welterweights. I think both these guys have extremely rare talent but they both also have been more selective than the all time greats on the fighters and/or conditions of the fights. Maybe they're not that concerned with it. But if they want all time 10 status then they should take a page out of Henry Armstrong's book.
Good post. PBF beats a Mosley or any bigger fighter who moves well, Pac beats a PBF or any bigger fighter who moves well, and the conversation becomes interesting.
Right now - top fifty. Top twenty should be considered if Pac beats Cotto and PBF. Top fifteen if he beat Cotto, PBF, and Mosley. Or something along those lines. Because then we are talking wins over JMM, SSM, MC, PBF, ODLH, MAB, EM etc and that is hard to ignore because the list encompasses every style out there including bigger stronger boxers.
Not that it makes any difference, but I'm just curious, is this Pacquiao's first fight with a fighter of Puerto Rican descent?
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Rantcatrat
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Originally Posted by
blegit
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Originally Posted by
generalbulldog
Ring magazines top 80 fighters. This list was done in 2002. And here are the top 10.
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3.
Muhammad Ali
4. Joe Louis
5.
Roberto Duran
6. Willie Pep
7. Harry Greb
8. Benny Leonard
9.
Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker
Pac and Mayweather are great but even if they win their next bout and meets in the ring and whoever wins that bout, won't make the top 10 imo.
Pac has questionable decisions in some of his biggest fights, particularly his bouts with Marquez, and Floyd has a reputation of
ducking the best fighters in the WW division. They're not getting into that top 10 list, even if they win their next 2 or 3 superfights. Hell I don't even think 1 of them will make it in the top 20. Here's the list from 11-20.
11. Carlos Monzon
12.
Rocky Marciano
13. Ezzard Charles
14. Archie Moore
15. Sandy Saddler
16. Jack Dempsey
17.
Marvin Hagler
18. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Eder Jofre
20. Alexis Arguello
The top 20 guys have a better resume than Floyd and Pac.
I think this is a great breakdown. Pac and PBF are great talents and if we went by just that then we have top 10 arguments. But their resumes and what they've done during their tenures are not that of the top 20. I think we need to see more from Pac such as fighting some different styles, like some elite boxer movers, than just the straight in guys he's been lunching on. I think we need to see PBF fight a Mosley(not a Pac) or some top 3 welterweights. I think both these guys have extremely rare talent but they both also have been more selective than the all time greats on the fighters and/or conditions of the fights. Maybe they're not that concerned with it. But if they want all time 10 status then they should take a page out of Henry Armstrong's book.
Good post. PBF beats a Mosley or any bigger fighter who moves well, Pac beats a PBF or any bigger fighter who moves well, and the conversation becomes interesting.
Right now - top fifty. Top twenty should be considered if Pac beats Cotto and PBF. Top fifteen if he beat Cotto, PBF, and Mosley. Or something along those lines. Because then we are talking wins over JMM, SSM, MC, PBF, ODLH, MAB, EM etc and that is hard to ignore because the list encompasses every style out there including bigger stronger boxers.
Not that it makes any difference, but I'm just curious, is this Pacquiao's first fight with a fighter of Puerto Rican descent?
I could give him a spot in the top ten after a while. If he carries on fighting in the Light Welterweight and Welterweight devision which I think are the most competetive devisions. Stay around untill he beats all the top people then you have to put him up there with the best.
As far as where he is now then you can not place him that high.
I think his biggest challenge will be mayweather if that fight ever happens.
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Re: Manny Pacquao, How great is he???
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josef4334
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leftylee
I have to agree with Ice. He is a great fighter but somehwhat overrated. A lot of people are blinded by the De La Hoya and Hatton fights and forget what Marquez did to him.
He is by no means invincible or any shiit like that, I think Mayweather beats him. And there are also question marks over Cotto. I mean how much did Margarito take out of him. Look at how he looked in the Clottey fight. I don't think Pacquiao will gain massive amounts of great credit if he beats Cotto. Of course he'll gain a lot and so he should. But Mosely is pretty much the man at welterweight right now, and Cotto looks to be on the slide. And I think when Pacquiao beats Cotto (Which I think he will) people will raise the question of the catchweight at what they fought. IMO anyways.
which a lot of people including you thought he was gonna get slaughtered in those fights... the hating continues and so on.....
VD already touched upon De La Hoya so I'll discuss Hatton.
Ricky Hatton's punch resistance had gone when Pacquiao got to him. I shamefully admit I was blinded by the Malignaggi fight. Look at the 2 fights before that and Lazcano rocked him (Not overly rocked like what some fools say, but enough) and Mayweather knocked him out. The reason he looked like he could take a shot of Malignaggi is simple, Paulie can't punch.
Hatton's chin had been exposed and he couldn't take a shot no more. Manny Pacquiao never finished Hatton, he was already done. In hindsight though nobody could see it bar a few. Maybe heart got in the way of me choosing Hatton, I dunno. But it was dumb to think Ricky Hatton could beat Pacquiao on May 2nd. If Hatton would have fought Pacquiao straight after Lazcano I would have had Manny the favourite. Everybody would. The Malignaggi fight blinded us. We all thought the Hatton of 2005 is back with Floyd Sr. How wrong were we.
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porkypara
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Violent Demise
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porkypara
Been here since 2004 so it would take more than a knob jocky like your self to make me quit this site.
I guess back in 2004 you would have been about 3 or 4 years old which would make you around 8 or 9 now.
Than stop whining about how you almost left. Seriously what was the point in that? I certainly don't give a fukk if you do or don't.
If I'm 9 years old than your clearly a female. A bitter female who just looks for something to complain about. Case in point.
I'm thinking your a Pac fan. Ok. Fine. Now tell me. What exactly bothered you about my post? Was it me calling him a sure Hall of Famer? Top 100 all time? Maybe when I said his accomplishments were great and he's had a great career? That rub you the wrong way? Those are compliments. What more you want?
Wait. I think i know. The problem is that's not good enough for you, huh? I didn't get on my knees and give Pacquiao his daily virtual blow job like you and the other Pac groupies do. There was no "Pacquiao is the greatest who ever lived." No "Pacquiao would destroy Ray Robinson and Roberto Duran" talk. The "Pacquiao looks so dreamy" references were also missing. So because I didn't do that you take my post as an attack on Pacquiao. :vd: Your fukking pathetic.
The fact that we dont agree is the whole point on having fourms.It would be quite boring if everybody agreed with each other.
What bothers me about YOU in general,is that every time you post somthing on here you always feel the need to insult or call sombody a name like a youg child in the school yard.
You are a good example of an internet warrior acting the big man while on your keyboard safe knowing that you can say what you want without getting a punch in the nose which is what you would have if you said thoses type of things to anybody face to face.
Also like your tough guy name,:beat:
Your a female no doubt. Most be that time of the month cuz you crying about nothing. First you cry that you thought about leaving. Than you saying forums are for disagreeing. Now you biitching about being insulted, yet I ain't got started on your biitch ass. Change your muthafukking pad. The blood is dripping down your leg and making you upset.
I fear no muthafukka breathing. Much less an obese fool like yourself. If you got doubts as to who I am, than bring your punk ass to the US. I would personally go to where you at and meet you face to face. Ask your fellow country men Leftylee. He came to the US. I picked him up and we kicked it.
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If you guys want to insult each other, please do it somewhere other than the main board.
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Throughout pacs career those who dislike him are often wrong but yet they still have the thickness to continue to say as much ridiculous things as those who overly adore him. I think the nuetral can agree that both side are delusional. Sure a few years ago the comments such as pac would ko hatton was ridiculous when it came from a pac fan. It did happen though, right? I know I know his not superman like some fans would say but I think theres more credit due to his fan then any remark the anti pac makes.
As for how great manny is? Now a days I just sit back with very little to say cause Pac is slowly forcing these haters to admit they were wrong all along. Sure some are still thick as hell but let them rot that way the longer they deny the longer they suffer ;)
Pac has been complimented as the greatest southpaw ever, I kinda dont agree just yet but Im happy to hear that.
Pac has been compared to the great Armstrong, again thats a huge compliment and Im happy to hear it.
These are top 5 - 10 atg comparison but I can not say pac is there yet.
At the end of pacs career I believe he'll be unforgettable to both fan and anti pac. Thats the real measurement of GREATNESS.
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Julius Rain
Throughout pacs career those who dislike him are often wrong but yet they still have the thickness to continue to say as much ridiculous things as those who overly adore him. I think the nuetral can agree that both side are delusional. Sure a few years ago the comments such as pac would ko hatton was ridiculous when it came from a pac fan. It did happen though, right? I know I know his not superman like some fans would say but I think theres more credit due to his fan then any remark the anti pac makes.
As for how great manny is? Now a days I just sit back with very little to say cause Pac is slowly forcing these haters to admit they were wrong all along. Sure some are still thick as hell but let them rot that way the longer they deny the longer they suffer ;)
Pac has been complimented as the greatest southpaw ever, I kinda dont agree just yet but Im happy to hear that.
Pac has been compared to the great Armstrong, again thats a huge compliment and Im happy to hear it.
These are top 5 - 10 atg comparison but I can not say pac is there yet.
At the end of pacs career I believe he'll be unforgettable to both fan and anti pac. Thats the real measurement of GREATNESS.
Who was it that said he's the greatest Southpaw ever?
Pernell Whittaker in my book is the greatest SP at these weight classes. I'll choose him in his prime over anyone at 135-140 at their prime.
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CFH
If you guys want to insult each other, please do it somewhere other than the main board.
It'll play out. Stay out of it
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Originally Posted by
generalbulldog
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Originally Posted by
Julius Rain
Throughout pacs career those who dislike him are often wrong but yet they still have the thickness to continue to say as much ridiculous things as those who overly adore him. I think the nuetral can agree that both side are delusional. Sure a few years ago the comments such as pac would ko hatton was ridiculous when it came from a pac fan. It did happen though, right? I know I know his not superman like some fans would say but I think theres more credit due to his fan then any remark the anti pac makes.
As for how great manny is? Now a days I just sit back with very little to say cause Pac is slowly forcing these haters to admit they were wrong all along. Sure some are still thick as hell but let them rot that way the longer they deny the longer they suffer ;)
Pac has been complimented as the greatest southpaw ever, I kinda dont agree just yet but Im happy to hear that.
Pac has been compared to the great Armstrong, again thats a huge compliment and Im happy to hear it.
These are top 5 - 10 atg comparison but I can not say pac is there yet.
At the end of pacs career I believe he'll be unforgettable to both fan and anti pac. Thats the real measurement of GREATNESS.
Who was it that said he's the greatest Southpaw ever?
Pernell Whittaker in my book is the greatest SP at these weight classes. I'll choose him in his prime over anyone at 135-140 at their prime.
The old, delusional, senile Burt Sugar I think said it
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Manny Pacquiao is somewhere 1 to 20 greatest boxer of all time.
If Manny Pacquiao beats Miguel Cotto. His somewhere 1 to 10 greatest boxer of all time.
- He is the ONLY fighter to archive the following:
* 7th Division world champion in different weight class
* 4 or 5 Linear World Champion ( Ring Magazine )
* WBC Diamond Belt
* W-50 L-3 D 2 (Beat most elite fighters)
* 106lbs to 147lbs (10 Division)
Current achievements:
Titles
Major:- WBC world flyweight champion
- IBF world super bantamweight champion
- WBC world super featherweight champion
- WBC world lightweight champion
Minor:- OPBF flyweight champion
- WBC international super bantamweight champion
- WBC international super featherweight champion
- IBO world light welterweight champion
The Ring Magazine titles:- World featherweight champion
- World super featherweight champion
- World light welterweight champion
Lineal Championship titles:- World flyweight champion
- World featherweight champion
- World junior lightweight champion
- World junior welterweight champion
RecognitionsName a fighter who can match his achievements?
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You have to love Manny,he's awesome to watch.All eyes are on Manny and there have been for years.Im glad to witness a worthy awesome boxer that has dominated the boxing scene with great force at this moment of time.Lets all enjoy Manny.Fighters like him dont come around often,and when he's gone we'll all miss him in the sport,even the small batch of Manny haters will eventually miss him too.
Manny is awesome!
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Re: Manny Pacquao, How great is he???
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
porkypara
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Than stop whining about how you almost left. Seriously what was the point in that? I certainly don't give a fukk if you do or don't.
If I'm 9 years old than your clearly a female. A bitter female who just looks for something to complain about. Case in point.
I'm thinking your a Pac fan. Ok. Fine. Now tell me. What exactly bothered you about my post? Was it me calling him a sure Hall of Famer? Top 100 all time? Maybe when I said his accomplishments were great and he's had a great career? That rub you the wrong way? Those are compliments. What more you want?
Wait. I think i know. The problem is that's not good enough for you, huh? I didn't get on my knees and give Pacquiao his daily virtual blow job like you and the other Pac groupies do. There was no "Pacquiao is the greatest who ever lived." No "Pacquiao would destroy Ray Robinson and Roberto Duran" talk. The "Pacquiao looks so dreamy" references were also missing. So because I didn't do that you take my post as an attack on Pacquiao. :vd: Your fukking pathetic.
The fact that we dont agree is the whole point on having fourms.It would be quite boring if everybody agreed with each other.
What bothers me about YOU in general,is that every time you post somthing on here you always feel the need to insult or call sombody a name like a youg child in the school yard.
You are a good example of an internet warrior acting the big man while on your keyboard safe knowing that you can say what you want without getting a punch in the nose which is what you would have if you said thoses type of things to anybody face to face.
Also like your tough guy name,:beat:
Your a female no doubt. Most be that time of the month cuz you crying about nothing. First you cry that you thought about leaving. Than you saying forums are for disagreeing. Now you biitching about being insulted, yet I ain't got started on your biitch ass. Change your muthafukking pad. The blood is dripping down your leg and making you upset.
I fear no muthafukka breathing. Much less an obese fool like yourself. If you got doubts as to who I am, than bring your punk ass to the US. I would personally go to where you at and meet you face to face. Ask your fellow country men Leftylee. He came to the US. I picked him up and we kicked it.
Just coz we disagree is no reason for personal insults.
Cant go to the US at the moment as I am in Ireland.Come to the UK if you want.
You are about as hard as a gay boy in a strip joint.(as you are an American I know you cant go into strip bars till you are 21 so
you are fucked)
I did say at the start of this thread that I did not want this to be a slagging match but with fuckwitts like you about I just cant help myself.:p
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Re: Manny Pacquao, How great is he???
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Originally Posted by
porkypara
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
porkypara
The fact that we dont agree is the whole point on having fourms.It would be quite boring if everybody agreed with each other.
What bothers me about YOU in general,is that every time you post somthing on here you always feel the need to insult or call sombody a name like a youg child in the school yard.
You are a good example of an internet warrior acting the big man while on your keyboard safe knowing that you can say what you want without getting a punch in the nose which is what you would have if you said thoses type of things to anybody face to face.
Also like your tough guy name,:beat:
Your a female no doubt. Most be that time of the month cuz you crying about nothing. First you cry that you thought about leaving. Than you saying forums are for disagreeing. Now you biitching about being insulted, yet I ain't got started on your biitch ass. Change your muthafukking pad. The blood is dripping down your leg and making you upset.
I fear no muthafukka breathing. Much less an obese fool like yourself. If you got doubts as to who I am, than bring your punk ass to the US. I would personally go to where you at and meet you face to face. Ask your fellow country men Leftylee. He came to the US. I picked him up and we kicked it.
Just coz we disagree is no reason for personal insults.
Cant go to the US at the moment as I am in Ireland.Come to the UK if you want.
You are about as hard as a gay boy in a strip joint.(
as you are an American I know you cant go into strip bars till you are 21 so
you are fucked)
I did say at the start of this thread that I did not want this to be a slagging match but with fuckwitts like you about I just cant help myself.:p
Has Violent D pretended to act "Hard" in this thread ?
And I can assure you he is over 21.
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Re: Manny Pacquao, How great is he???
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Originally Posted by
leftylee
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Originally Posted by
porkypara
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Your a female no doubt. Most be that time of the month cuz you crying about nothing. First you cry that you thought about leaving. Than you saying forums are for disagreeing. Now you biitching about being insulted, yet I ain't got started on your biitch ass. Change your muthafukking pad. The blood is dripping down your leg and making you upset.
I fear no muthafukka breathing. Much less an obese fool like yourself. If you got doubts as to who I am, than bring your punk ass to the US. I would personally go to where you at and meet you face to face. Ask your fellow country men Leftylee. He came to the US. I picked him up and we kicked it.
Just coz we disagree is no reason for personal insults.
Cant go to the US at the moment as I am in Ireland.Come to the UK if you want.
You are about as hard as a gay boy in a strip joint.(
as you are an American I know you cant go into strip bars till you are 21 so
you are fucked)
I did say at the start of this thread that I did not want this to be a slagging match but with fuckwitts like you about I just cant help myself.:p
Has Violent D pretended to act "Hard" in this thread ?
And I can assure you he is over 21.
Has Violent D as you called him reduced another thread to a slaging match?YES
Why cant people reply to threads without putting others down??
Have a look back at all the thread.
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Re: Manny Pacquao, How great is he???
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Originally Posted by
porkypara
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
porkypara
The fact that we dont agree is the whole point on having fourms.It would be quite boring if everybody agreed with each other.
What bothers me about YOU in general,is that every time you post somthing on here you always feel the need to insult or call sombody a name like a youg child in the school yard.
You are a good example of an internet warrior acting the big man while on your keyboard safe knowing that you can say what you want without getting a punch in the nose which is what you would have if you said thoses type of things to anybody face to face.
Also like your tough guy name,:beat:
Your a female no doubt. Most be that time of the month cuz you crying about nothing. First you cry that you thought about leaving. Than you saying forums are for disagreeing. Now you biitching about being insulted, yet I ain't got started on your biitch ass. Change your muthafukking pad. The blood is dripping down your leg and making you upset.
I fear no muthafukka breathing. Much less an obese fool like yourself. If you got doubts as to who I am, than bring your punk ass to the US. I would personally go to where you at and meet you face to face. Ask your fellow country men Leftylee. He came to the US. I picked him up and we kicked it.
Just coz we disagree is no reason for personal insults.
Cant go to the US at the moment as I am in Ireland.Come to the UK if you want.
You are about as hard as a gay boy in a strip joint.(
as you are an American I know you cant go into strip bars till you are 21 so
you are fucked)
I did say at the start of this thread that I did not want this to be a slagging match but with fuckwitts like you about I just cant help myself.:p
Just ignore him. Violent Demise needs a psychiatrist. :o I feel bad on parents. tsik tsik tsik.... :-\
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Re: Manny Pacquao, How great is he???
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Originally Posted by
BlackHawk
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Originally Posted by
porkypara
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Your a female no doubt. Most be that time of the month cuz you crying about nothing. First you cry that you thought about leaving. Than you saying forums are for disagreeing. Now you biitching about being insulted, yet I ain't got started on your biitch ass. Change your muthafukking pad. The blood is dripping down your leg and making you upset.
I fear no muthafukka breathing. Much less an obese fool like yourself. If you got doubts as to who I am, than bring your punk ass to the US. I would personally go to where you at and meet you face to face. Ask your fellow country men Leftylee. He came to the US. I picked him up and we kicked it.
Just coz we disagree is no reason for personal insults.
Cant go to the US at the moment as I am in Ireland.Come to the UK if you want.
You are about as hard as a gay boy in a strip joint.(
as you are an American I know you cant go into strip bars till you are 21 so
you are fucked)
I did say at the start of this thread that I did not want this to be a slagging match but with fuckwitts like you about I just cant help myself.:p
Just ignore him. Violent Demise needs a psychiatrist. :o I feel bad on parents. tsik tsik tsik.... :-\
But why should the rest of us on the fourm put up with his pointless childlike jibber-jabber.
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Re: Manny Pacquao, How great is he???
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Originally Posted by
porkypara
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Originally Posted by
leftylee
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Originally Posted by
porkypara
Just coz we disagree is no reason for personal insults.
Cant go to the US at the moment as I am in Ireland.Come to the UK if you want.
You are about as hard as a gay boy in a strip joint.(as you are an American I know you cant go into strip bars till you are 21 so
you are fucked)
I did say at the start of this thread that I did not want this to be a slagging match but with fuckwitts like you about I just cant help myself.:p
Has Violent D pretended to act "Hard" in this thread ?
And I can assure you he is over 21.
Has Violent D as you called him reduced another thread to a slaging match?YES
Why cant people reply to threads without putting others down??
Have a look back at all the thread.
You want me to call him by his 1st name then ?
And who was the person who started this shiit ? You. Violent D (Or Gerald his real name :rolleyes:) praised Pacquiao. Said he was a great fighter and in the top 100 of all time. You have a swipe at him for no reason whatsoever. You think he's going to let that go ? I wouldn't let that go. So I don't know why your complaining. It maybe a Welsh thing. But it aint something an English person would do.
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Re: Manny Pacquao, How great is he???
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Originally Posted by
porkypara
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Originally Posted by
BlackHawk
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Originally Posted by
porkypara
Just coz we disagree is no reason for personal insults.
Cant go to the US at the moment as I am in Ireland.Come to the UK if you want.
You are about as hard as a gay boy in a strip joint.(as you are an American I know you cant go into strip bars till you are 21 so
you are fucked)
I did say at the start of this thread that I did not want this to be a slagging match but with fuckwitts like you about I just cant help myself.:p
Just ignore him. Violent Demise needs a psychiatrist. :o I feel bad on parents. tsik tsik tsik.... :-\
But why should the rest of us on the fourm put up with his pointless childlike jibber-jabber.
:vd: You tried to cause shiit on him. He's gonna reply back. Get it ? It aint hard man seriousley. You criticized him for posting something positive LOL
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Re: Manny Pacquao, How great is he???
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Originally Posted by
leftylee
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Originally Posted by
porkypara
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Originally Posted by
BlackHawk
Just ignore him. Violent Demise needs a psychiatrist. :o I feel bad on parents. tsik tsik tsik.... :-\
But why should the rest of us on the fourm put up with his pointless childlike jibber-jabber.
:vd: You tried to cause shiit on him. He's gonna reply back. Get it ? It aint hard man seriousley. You criticized him for posting something positive LOL
A minority opinion me thinks.
I can undestand a diference of opinion but I dont think Saddoboxing needs a person who cant post anything without adding an insult.
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Re: Manny Pacquao, How great is he???
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Originally Posted by
porkypara
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Originally Posted by
leftylee
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Originally Posted by
porkypara
But why should the rest of us on the fourm put up with his pointless childlike jibber-jabber.
:vd: You tried to cause shiit on him. He's gonna reply back. Get it ? It aint hard man seriousley. You criticized him for posting something positive LOL
A minority opinion me thinks.
I can undestand a diference of opinion but I dont think Saddoboxing needs a person who cant post anything without adding an insult.
Good example then aren't you ?
"Yep,you are the type of poster that has put me off this site in the last year or so. Full of your own self importance but in reality you are just like a spoilt child."
Did Violent Demise say anything to you before you replied with that ? No he didn't. So stop turning shiit on him. When in truth it was you trying to cause shiit.
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Re: Manny Pacquao, How great is he???
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Originally Posted by
porkypara
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Originally Posted by
leftylee
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Originally Posted by
porkypara
But why should the rest of us on the fourm put up with his pointless childlike jibber-jabber.
:vd: You tried to cause shiit on him. He's gonna reply back. Get it ? It aint hard man seriousley. You criticized him for posting something positive LOL
A minority opinion me thinks.
I can undestand a diference of opinion but I dont think Saddoboxing needs a person who cant post anything without adding an insult.
Direct me to the post where I insulted your punk ass.
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Re: Manny Pacquao, How great is he???
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
porkypara
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Originally Posted by
leftylee
:vd: You tried to cause shiit on him. He's gonna reply back. Get it ? It aint hard man seriousley. You criticized him for posting something positive LOL
A minority opinion me thinks.
I can undestand a diference of opinion but I dont think Saddoboxing needs a person who cant post anything without adding an insult.
Direct me to the post where I insulted your punk ass.
Been trying to tell the fraud that. He's digging himself into a bigger hole. No problem. The whole forum is laughing at him.
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Re: Manny Pacquao, How great is he???
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Originally Posted by
leftylee
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Originally Posted by
porkypara
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Originally Posted by
leftylee
:vd: You tried to cause shiit on him. He's gonna reply back. Get it ? It aint hard man seriousley. You criticized him for posting something positive LOL
A minority opinion me thinks.
I can undestand a diference of opinion but I dont think Saddoboxing needs a person who cant post anything without adding an insult.
Good example then aren't you ?
"Yep,you are the type of poster that has put me off this site in the last year or so. Full of your own self importance but in reality you are just like a spoilt child."
Did Violent Demise say anything to you before you replied with that ? No he didn't. So stop turning shiit on him. When in truth it was you trying to cause shiit.
This is my last post for the night coz I am tired and had a gutsfull.
Read your gay lover mates posts on other threads not just this one and its plain to see he is just a name caller who hides behinds his computer screen.
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Re: Manny Pacquao, How great is he???
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Originally Posted by
porkypara
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Originally Posted by
leftylee
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Originally Posted by
porkypara
A minority opinion me thinks.
I can undestand a diference of opinion but I dont think Saddoboxing needs a person who cant post anything without adding an insult.
Good example then aren't you ?
"Yep,you are the type of poster that has put me off this site in the last year or so. Full of your own self importance but in reality you are just like a spoilt child."
Did Violent Demise say anything to you before you replied with that ? No he didn't. So stop turning shiit on him. When in truth it was you trying to cause shiit.
This is my last post for the night coz I am tired and had a gutsfull.
Read your
gay lover mates posts on other threads not just this one and its plain to see he is just a name caller who hides behinds his computer screen.
Who gives a fukk about other threads ? We're on this thread. So don't change the subject. You made an accusation that weren't true. There is proof that you were the one that started shiit on this thread. Not VD or anybody else. Now your back peddling like the biitch you are. Consider yourself owned.
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Re: Manny Pacquao, How great is he???
love how these threads get started with a mention of lets not turn it into an argument or slagging match, and then the person starting it is the one to kick off on arguments and insults.
It then comes down to the gay slur insults, maybe it's a Manny thing
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Re: Manny Pacquao, How great is he???
So How Bout Them Cowboys.......:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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Re: Manny Pacquao, How great is he???
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Originally Posted by
leftylee
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Originally Posted by
porkypara
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Originally Posted by
leftylee
Has Violent D pretended to act "Hard" in this thread ?
And I can assure you he is over 21.
Has Violent D as you called him reduced another thread to a slaging match?YES
Why cant people reply to threads without putting others down??
Have a look back at all the thread.
You want me to call him by his 1st name then ?
And who was the person who started this shiit ? You. Violent D (Or Gerald his real name :rolleyes:) praised Pacquiao. Said he was a great fighter and in the top 100 of all time. You have a swipe at him for no reason whatsoever. You think he's going to let that go ? I wouldn't let that go. So I don't know why your complaining. It maybe a Welsh thing. But it aint something an English person would do.
That's the problem with the muthafukkin forum. You got your good posters who like a certain fighter, but are smart enough to know when that fighter is done. You also got your good posters who like a certain fighter, and realize that fighter is good. Sometimes very good. But are realistic enough to know that fighter can be beaten and there are others much better than him.
Than you got your lust filled groupie posters. These posters are so in love with a fighter it fukks with there brain. They become so oppsessed with a fighter that they no longer can think straight. Stupidity fills all there posts. Crap like "best whoever lived" or "He's unbeatable" become very common. To make it worse simple compliments towards that fighter are no longer good enough. A person must bow down and just about perform sexual favors to that fighter for it to be good enough. If not, than your compliment is no longer a compliment. It becomes an insult.
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Re: Manny Pacquao, How great is he???
Sanddo boxing is a Manny Pacquao hater. ;D They hate Pacquiao badly but in reality they cannot accept that an asian fighter is dominating boxing today. ;D not black, not white, not latino etc but ASIAN! ;D
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Re: Manny Pacquao, How great is he???
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BlackHawk
Sanddo boxing is a Manny Pacquao hater. ;D They hate Pacquiao badly but in reality they cannot accept that an asian fighter is dominating boxing today. ;D not black, not white, not latino etc but ASIAN! ;D
So it's a race issue now , is that what you are saying ? Not at all based simply on observation,history and opinion, we just don't like an Asian being good.
At least I now understand why we have neg rep options (not that I will actually be arsed to stoop to that)
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Re: Manny Pacquao, How great is he???
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Originally Posted by
jamiebhoy
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Originally Posted by
BlackHawk
Sanddo boxing is a Manny Pacquao hater. ;D They hate Pacquiao badly but in reality they cannot accept that an asian fighter is dominating boxing today. ;D not black, not white, not latino etc but ASIAN! ;D
So it's a race issue now , is that what you are saying ? Not at all based simply on observation,history and opinion, we just don't like an Asian being good.
At least I now understand why we have neg rep options (not that I will actually be arsed to stoop to that)
don't bother bro, you know FaggotBoxer would always talk out his ass if anyone doesn't bow down to Manny Pacquiao.... oooops is he still pretending to be someone else?!? :-X:-X
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Re: Manny Pacquao, How great is he???
garbage eastside thread, doesn't need to be on the main board.
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Re: Manny Pacquao, How great is he???
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Originally Posted by
BlackHawk
Sanddo boxing is a Manny Pacquao hater. ;D They hate Pacquiao badly but in reality they cannot accept that an asian fighter is dominating boxing today. ;D not black, not white, not latino etc but ASIAN! ;D
Whats that you say?.......:flush:
