Manny Pacquao, How great is he???

[porkypara]

He's a sure Hall of Famer. And he's top 100 all time. Around 97 or 98. Great accomplishments. He's had a great career. Anybody that rates him the top 10 is clearly someone who goes to his house every weekend and sucks his dikk. Either that or there just plain idiots who don't know the sport.

Yep,you are the type of poster that has put me off this site in the last year or so.


Full of your own self importance but in reality you are just like a spoilt child.

There's still work to be done. Since your still actually here

He's a sure Hall of Famer. And he's top 100 all time. Around 97 or 98. Great accomplishments. He's had a great career. Anybody that rates him the top 10 is clearly someone who goes to his house every weekend and sucks his dikk. Either that or there just plain idiots who don't know the sport.

97-98 ....Cmon VD you know damn well he is no 97 or 98th ranked atg.....

Even if you don't want to agree with the top 10....and until all is said and done I would not rank him there but a top 25 certainly

Do you have any idea how many great fighters there's been in the history of Boxing? Being ranked in the top 100 is a great accomplishment. Why make it an insult?

Been here since 2004 so it would take more than a knob jocky like your self to make me quit this site.


I guess back in 2004 you would have been about 3 or 4 years old which would make you around 8 or 9 now.

[Mr140]

Vd has a point there has been alot of great fighters. But think he just rates things different then others do how you rate Pac Porky. Do you really think he was better in the ring then Ali or Leonard i sure dont. Those are the people you guys are saying he belongs with i dont see it. I think people have a major problem with overrating him then underrating him. I think he is along the lines of Mayweather, Mosley, Jones, Hopkins, Holyfeild or a Mosley. Making him some were in top 30. But when you talk about top 10 guys you talk about Duran, Leonard, Ali or Robinson which i think is a total different story in terms of legacy, skill and resume who those guys fought.

[Violent Demise]

Yep,you are the type of poster that has put me off this site in the last year or so.


Full of your own self importance but in reality you are just like a spoilt child.

There's still work to be done. Since your still actually here

97-98 ....Cmon VD you know damn well he is no 97 or 98th ranked atg.....

Even if you don't want to agree with the top 10....and until all is said and done I would not rank him there but a top 25 certainly

Do you have any idea how many great fighters there's been in the history of Boxing? Being ranked in the top 100 is a great accomplishment. Why make it an insult?

Been here since 2004 so it would take more than a knob jocky like your self to make me quit this site.


I guess back in 2004 you would have been about 3 or 4 years old which would make you around 8 or 9 now.

Than stop whining about how you almost left. Seriously what was the point in that? I certainly don't give a fukk if you do or don't.

If I'm 9 years old than your clearly a female. A bitter female who just looks for something to complain about. Case in point.

I'm thinking your a Pac fan. Ok. Fine. Now tell me. What exactly bothered you about my post? Was it me calling him a sure Hall of Famer? Top 100 all time? Maybe when I said his accomplishments were great and he's had a great career? That rub you the wrong way? Those are compliments. What more you want?

Wait. I think i know. The problem is that's not good enough for you, huh? I didn't get on my knees and give Pacquiao his daily virtual blow job like you and the other Pac groupies do. There was no "Pacquiao is the greatest who ever lived." No "Pacquiao would destroy Ray Robinson and Roberto Duran" talk. The "Pacquiao looks so dreamy" references were also missing. So because I didn't do that you take my post as an attack on Pacquiao. Your fukking pathetic.

[generalbulldog]

There's still work to be done. Since your still actually here



Do you have any idea how many great fighters there's been in the history of Boxing? Being ranked in the top 100 is a great accomplishment. Why make it an insult?

Been here since 2004 so it would take more than a knob jocky like your self to make me quit this site.


I guess back in 2004 you would have been about 3 or 4 years old which would make you around 8 or 9 now.

Than stop whining about how you almost left. Seriously what was the point in that? I certainly don't give a fukk if you do or don't.

If I'm 9 years old than your clearly a female. A bitter female who just looks for something to complain about. Case in point.

I'm thinking your a Pac fan. Ok. Fine. Now tell me. What exactly bothered you about my post? Was it me calling him a sure Hall of Famer? Top 100 all time? Maybe when I said his accomplishments were great and he's had a great career? That rub you the wrong way? Those are compliments. What more you want?

Wait. I think i know. The problem is that's not good enough for you, huh? I didn't get on my knees and give Pacquiao his daily virtual blow job like you and the other Pac groupies do. There was no "Pacquiao is the greatest who ever lived." No "Pacquiao would destroy Ray Robinson and Roberto Duran" talk. The "Pacquiao looks so dreamy" references were also missing. So because I didn't do that you take my post as an attack on Pacquiao. Your fukking pathetic.

You know what I was thinking which is worse, the Pac groupies or the Hatton groupies? While both are good fighters, their fans come up with a lot of ridiculous stuff. They both overrate their fighters and they both come up with lame excuses why their man lost.

[mnmc10]

pac haters are the worst, they cant think of anything bad to say about pac so they turn to insulting the pacfans, casual boxing fans, anyone who mentions pacs name and filipinos in general.

pac doesnt belong at top 10 but he sure is an ATG. stop making excuses that jmm beat him twice, to some maybe thats your opinion. jmm shouldve kod pac for a sure win but he cant jmm found himself on the canvass instead. and a W on his record is a win against jmm.

hatton lost cause he stuck his face infront of pac? well thats not pacs fault, hatton did not adjust against pac and he deserved what he got. hatton was the same against pbf and he wasnt able to finish hatton the same way as pac did.

[CFH]

pac haters are the worst, they cant think of anything bad to say about pac so they turn to insulting the pacfans, casual boxing fans, anyone who mentions pacs name and filipinos in general.

pac doesnt belong at top 10 but he sure is an ATG. stop making excuses that jmm beat him twice, to some maybe thats your opinion. jmm shouldve kod pac for a sure win but he cant jmm found himself on the canvass instead. and a W on his record is a win against jmm.

hatton lost cause he stuck his face infront of pac? well thats not pacs fault, hatton did not adjust against pac and he deserved what he got. hatton was the same against pbf and he wasnt able to finish hatton the same way as pac did.

[kingfrnk]

pac haters are the worst, they cant think of anything bad to say about pac so they turn to insulting the pacfans, casual boxing fans, anyone who mentions pacs name and filipinos in general.

pac doesnt belong at top 10 but he sure is an ATG. stop making excuses that jmm beat him twice, to some maybe thats your opinion. jmm shouldve kod pac for a sure win but he cant jmm found himself on the canvass instead. and a W on his record is a win against jmm.

hatton lost cause he stuck his face infront of pac? well thats not pacs fault, hatton did not adjust against pac and he deserved what he got. hatton was the same against pbf and he wasnt able to finish hatton the same way as pac did.

lmao

anyways Pac is great. Great enough to be in the top 10?? not IMO

[KananKrus]

This guy Manny Pacquao... is a total unknown, as far as I am concerned. What would he be great at? Having a name similar, almost identical to that of P4P numero uno, Manny Pacquiao?

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Can't help it guys. How can Manny Pacquiao be great at this point, if we can't even spell his name right! LOL.

However, we do need to release some steam, especially the big boys!

Let us all just stay away from any Pacquiao discussions... for his rise to fame, amazing as it is, is littered with fallen heroes for some of us. This is baggage that is indeed hard to let go, however logically, it is necessarily so.

A few more hundred barrels of ale, greyed out goatees, and little pinches of maturity, then can we move on and be at a level objective, as to enlighten and display wisdom to this topic we are attempting to be impartial about.

As for now... the topic is moot because Mayweather is actually number one, and Marquez is numero uno!

[generalbulldog]

pac haters are the worst, they cant think of anything bad to say about pac so they turn to insulting the pacfans, casual boxing fans, anyone who mentions pacs name and filipinos in general.

pac doesnt belong at top 10 but he sure is an ATG. stop making excuses that jmm beat him twice, to some maybe thats your opinion. jmm shouldve kod pac for a sure win but he cant jmm found himself on the canvass instead. and a W on his record is a win against jmm.

hatton lost cause he stuck his face infront of pac? well thats not pacs fault, hatton did not adjust against pac and he deserved what he got. hatton was the same against pbf and he wasnt able to finish hatton the same way as pac did.

Pac is an atg, but where he ranks is for debate because everyone's list is different. No one's insulting Pac fans just that some of his fans are on their idiotic ramblings when someone doesn't praise him enough. He beat MAB there's no excuse for that, he beat JMM at least once imo, he beat Hatton, I just never rate Hatton highly, and it's Hatton's die hard fans that are using the excuses, not boxing fans in general. Real boxing fans just saw the huge talent gap between the 2 and believe that at any point of Hatton's career he would still lose this version of Pac. There's no debate on that.

[porkypara]

There's still work to be done. Since your still actually here



Do you have any idea how many great fighters there's been in the history of Boxing? Being ranked in the top 100 is a great accomplishment. Why make it an insult?

Been here since 2004 so it would take more than a knob jocky like your self to make me quit this site.


I guess back in 2004 you would have been about 3 or 4 years old which would make you around 8 or 9 now.

Than stop whining about how you almost left. Seriously what was the point in that? I certainly don't give a fukk if you do or don't.

If I'm 9 years old than your clearly a female. A bitter female who just looks for something to complain about. Case in point.

I'm thinking your a Pac fan. Ok. Fine. Now tell me. What exactly bothered you about my post? Was it me calling him a sure Hall of Famer? Top 100 all time? Maybe when I said his accomplishments were great and he's had a great career? That rub you the wrong way? Those are compliments. What more you want?

Wait. I think i know. The problem is that's not good enough for you, huh? I didn't get on my knees and give Pacquiao his daily virtual blow job like you and the other Pac groupies do. There was no "Pacquiao is the greatest who ever lived." No "Pacquiao would destroy Ray Robinson and Roberto Duran" talk. The "Pacquiao looks so dreamy" references were also missing. So because I didn't do that you take my post as an attack on Pacquiao. Your fukking pathetic.

The fact that we dont agree is the whole point on having fourms.It would be quite boring if everybody agreed with each other.

What bothers me about YOU in general,is that every time you post somthing on here you always feel the need to insult or call sombody a name like a youg child in the school yard.


You are a good example of an internet warrior acting the big man while on your keyboard safe knowing that you can say what you want without getting a punch in the nose which is what you would have if you said thoses type of things to anybody face to face.

Also like your tough guy name,

[ElTerribleMorales]

Been here since 2004 so it would take more than a knob jocky like your self to make me quit this site.


I guess back in 2004 you would have been about 3 or 4 years old which would make you around 8 or 9 now.

Than stop whining about how you almost left. Seriously what was the point in that? I certainly don't give a fukk if you do or don't.

If I'm 9 years old than your clearly a female. A bitter female who just looks for something to complain about. Case in point.

I'm thinking your a Pac fan. Ok. Fine. Now tell me. What exactly bothered you about my post? Was it me calling him a sure Hall of Famer? Top 100 all time? Maybe when I said his accomplishments were great and he's had a great career? That rub you the wrong way? Those are compliments. What more you want?

Wait. I think i know. The problem is that's not good enough for you, huh? I didn't get on my knees and give Pacquiao his daily virtual blow job like you and the other Pac groupies do. There was no "Pacquiao is the greatest who ever lived." No "Pacquiao would destroy Ray Robinson and Roberto Duran" talk. The "Pacquiao looks so dreamy" references were also missing. So because I didn't do that you take my post as an attack on Pacquiao. Your fukking pathetic.

The fact that we dont agree is the whole point on having fourms.It would be quite boring if everybody agreed with each other.

What bothers me about YOU in general,is that every time you post somthing on here you always feel the need to insult or call sombody a name like a youg child in the school yard.


You are a good example of an internet warrior acting the big man while on your keyboard safe knowing that you can say what you want without getting a punch in the nose which is what you would have if you said thoses type of things to anybody face to face.

Also like your tough guy name,

think you're being a bit too oversensitive, forum's are basically used for people to be able to give their views and their opinions on the given subject, and you're basically callin out VD on this thread when he hasn't even insulted anyone yet, which i admit is very odd lol, but hell he's allowed to have his opinion and i actually agree with him, IMO Pacquiao isn't top 10 or 20 ATG, i'd probably have him in my top 50, but i can name loads of fighters who have accomplished just as much or more than Manny, to say that he's better than Ali, Duran, Leonard, Robinson, Armstrong, hell even George Foreman is pretty ridiculous to me, and like VD said, given how many great fighters there are in the history of this great sport, to say he's in your top 100 is no insult, IMO he's the greatest fighter or one of the top 2 greatest fighters (might have Villa ahead) to come out of the Philippines, take the compliments, and don't try to force your views of him as a god on everyone else, cause although he is a great fighter, he's far from perfect

[Rantcatrat]

Ring magazines top 80 fighters. This list was done in 2002. And here are the top 10.

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Joe Louis
5. Roberto Duran
6. Willie Pep
7. Harry Greb
8. Benny Leonard
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker

Pac and Mayweather are great but even if they win their next bout and meets in the ring and whoever wins that bout, won't make the top 10 imo. Pac has questionable decisions in some of his biggest fights, particularly his bouts with Marquez, and Floyd has a reputation of ducking the best fighters in the WW division. They're not getting into that top 10 list, even if they win their next 2 or 3 superfights. Hell I don't even think 1 of them will make it in the top 20. Here's the list from 11-20.

11. Carlos Monzon
12. Rocky Marciano
13. Ezzard Charles
14. Archie Moore
15. Sandy Saddler
16. Jack Dempsey
17. Marvin Hagler
18. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Eder Jofre
20. Alexis Arguello

The top 20 guys have a better resume than Floyd and Pac.

I think this is a great breakdown. Pac and PBF are great talents and if we went by just that then we have top 10 arguments. But their resumes and what they've done during their tenures are not that of the top 20. I think we need to see more from Pac such as fighting some different styles, like some elite boxer movers, than just the straight in guys he's been lunching on. I think we need to see PBF fight a Mosley(not a Pac) or some top 3 welterweights. I think both these guys have extremely rare talent but they both also have been more selective than the all time greats on the fighters and/or conditions of the fights. Maybe they're not that concerned with it. But if they want all time 10 status then they should take a page out of Henry Armstrong's book.

Good post. PBF beats a Mosley or any bigger fighter who moves well, Pac beats a PBF or any bigger fighter who moves well, and the conversation becomes interesting.

Right now - top fifty. Top twenty should be considered if Pac beats Cotto and PBF. Top fifteen if he beat Cotto, PBF, and Mosley. Or something along those lines. Because then we are talking wins over JMM, SSM, MC, PBF, ODLH, MAB, EM etc and that is hard to ignore because the list encompasses every style out there including bigger stronger boxers.

Not that it makes any difference, but I'm just curious, is this Pacquiao's first fight with a fighter of Puerto Rican descent?

[Snakefist Ar Fu]

Ring magazines top 80 fighters. This list was done in 2002. And here are the top 10.

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Joe Louis
5. Roberto Duran
6. Willie Pep
7. Harry Greb
8. Benny Leonard
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker

Pac and Mayweather are great but even if they win their next bout and meets in the ring and whoever wins that bout, won't make the top 10 imo. Pac has questionable decisions in some of his biggest fights, particularly his bouts with Marquez, and Floyd has a reputation of ducking the best fighters in the WW division. They're not getting into that top 10 list, even if they win their next 2 or 3 superfights. Hell I don't even think 1 of them will make it in the top 20. Here's the list from 11-20.

11. Carlos Monzon
12. Rocky Marciano
13. Ezzard Charles
14. Archie Moore
15. Sandy Saddler
16. Jack Dempsey
17. Marvin Hagler
18. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Eder Jofre
20. Alexis Arguello

The top 20 guys have a better resume than Floyd and Pac.

I think this is a great breakdown. Pac and PBF are great talents and if we went by just that then we have top 10 arguments. But their resumes and what they've done during their tenures are not that of the top 20. I think we need to see more from Pac such as fighting some different styles, like some elite boxer movers, than just the straight in guys he's been lunching on. I think we need to see PBF fight a Mosley(not a Pac) or some top 3 welterweights. I think both these guys have extremely rare talent but they both also have been more selective than the all time greats on the fighters and/or conditions of the fights. Maybe they're not that concerned with it. But if they want all time 10 status then they should take a page out of Henry Armstrong's book.

Good post. PBF beats a Mosley or any bigger fighter who moves well, Pac beats a PBF or any bigger fighter who moves well, and the conversation becomes interesting.

Right now - top fifty. Top twenty should be considered if Pac beats Cotto and PBF. Top fifteen if he beat Cotto, PBF, and Mosley. Or something along those lines. Because then we are talking wins over JMM, SSM, MC, PBF, ODLH, MAB, EM etc and that is hard to ignore because the list encompasses every style out there including bigger stronger boxers.

Not that it makes any difference, but I'm just curious, is this Pacquiao's first fight with a fighter of Puerto Rican descent?

I could give him a spot in the top ten after a while. If he carries on fighting in the Light Welterweight and Welterweight devision which I think are the most competetive devisions. Stay around untill he beats all the top people then you have to put him up there with the best.
As far as where he is now then you can not place him that high.
I think his biggest challenge will be mayweather if that fight ever happens.

[Violent Demise]

Been here since 2004 so it would take more than a knob jocky like your self to make me quit this site.


I guess back in 2004 you would have been about 3 or 4 years old which would make you around 8 or 9 now.

Than stop whining about how you almost left. Seriously what was the point in that? I certainly don't give a fukk if you do or don't.

If I'm 9 years old than your clearly a female. A bitter female who just looks for something to complain about. Case in point.

I'm thinking your a Pac fan. Ok. Fine. Now tell me. What exactly bothered you about my post? Was it me calling him a sure Hall of Famer? Top 100 all time? Maybe when I said his accomplishments were great and he's had a great career? That rub you the wrong way? Those are compliments. What more you want?

Wait. I think i know. The problem is that's not good enough for you, huh? I didn't get on my knees and give Pacquiao his daily virtual blow job like you and the other Pac groupies do. There was no "Pacquiao is the greatest who ever lived." No "Pacquiao would destroy Ray Robinson and Roberto Duran" talk. The "Pacquiao looks so dreamy" references were also missing. So because I didn't do that you take my post as an attack on Pacquiao. Your fukking pathetic.

The fact that we dont agree is the whole point on having fourms.It would be quite boring if everybody agreed with each other.

What bothers me about YOU in general,is that every time you post somthing on here you always feel the need to insult or call sombody a name like a youg child in the school yard.


You are a good example of an internet warrior acting the big man while on your keyboard safe knowing that you can say what you want without getting a punch in the nose which is what you would have if you said thoses type of things to anybody face to face.

Also like your tough guy name,

Your a female no doubt. Most be that time of the month cuz you crying about nothing. First you cry that you thought about leaving. Than you saying forums are for disagreeing. Now you biitching about being insulted, yet I ain't got started on your biitch ass. Change your muthafukking pad. The blood is dripping down your leg and making you upset.

I fear no muthafukka breathing. Much less an obese fool like yourself. If you got doubts as to who I am, than bring your punk ass to the US. I would personally go to where you at and meet you face to face. Ask your fellow country men Leftylee. He came to the US. I picked him up and we kicked it.

[CFH]

If you guys want to insult each other, please do it somewhere other than the main board.