I think Cotto will burst the Pacquiao bubble

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Originally Posted by Tysonbruno

Ive got this feeling Cotto is going to burst the Pacquiao bubble i see him stopping Pacquiao early or late but definately stopping him if Cotto can stand up to being hit in face by building bricks from Margarito for 11 rounds he can take Pac's shot. I like Pac i just think he's going to lose this one Cotto is going to be a lot harder than both Hatton and the weight drained De La Hoya.

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Early? maybe late? No way.

Cotto should end it before round 6 or Pac totally punish him en route to a KO.


Pac picks it up as the rounds go. he'll be more dangerous in the 2nd half of the fight. wherein Cotto fades. Pac can also end it early so cotto should go for it in the 1st 5 rounds.

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Originally Posted by littlebif

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Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamer

It all depends if pac has the speed advantage or not. If he has a sizeable speed advantage i'm going with pac. If the speed is equal between the two, i will pick no one because it iis a toss up.

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Manny is faster than Cotto,Cotto fought Mosley who was alot faster than him and he did well against the speed.Timing kills speed if he can time Manny right.

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Mosley has fast hands but his foot speed isnt comparable to Pac's or maybe he has great food speed but he doesnt use it much.

Honestly i'm leaning for Pac on this one.... Cotto is a monster and think that in every way he should have it over Pac, but there are a few reasons I give more of a shot than I should.


He's been at that weight for a while now. Marquez coming up was always going to be weak as pi$$ against Mayweather. I think Pac having been above 140 for his last 3 fights (well 140 for hatton), he'd be wearing that weight much better now..

His speed is going to split Cotto.. Cotto has good footwork and is going to take a pounding, and his defence will certainly be a damn shite better than DLH and Hatton put together, but cotto isn't exactly unhittable...

My biggest influence in looking at the potential of how the fight could play out from a certain angle is Cotto/Judah... Cotto has certainly improved since that fight, but many many times during that fight, you could feel that Judah could have turned the tide if he had the heart and head for it... And I think even between 140 and 147, Pac is more dangerous than Judah...


I could be proved entirely wrong by Cotto being an unshakable moster on the night, but I feel Pac is just going to make to many punches count, and is going to think his way to the victory as well through Roach's coaching... Pac's dangerous left and keeping away from too much of Cotto's attack will have him winning...

Anyway, i'll make that my official prediction....

It's a fight that you hate to see someone losing,,,, but I think if Cotto loses it'll be heartbreaking for him....

I'm just going to enjoy this fight no matter who wins... Good on the two guys for making it.. Not an easy fight for either of them..

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Originally Posted by bugzlife

have you brits not predicted the same for the hatton-pacquiao fight? you said hatton is too much for pacquiao. now you're saying the same crap. i would love to see you proven wrong again. go brits false prophets!

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Many people predicted Hatton would be to much for Pacquiao.. Not just brits or Hatton fans.. But Hatton looked like total garbage in that fight.. No head movement, no strategy, no patience, no trainer (basically)...

Rest assured Cotto is going to bring a hell of a lot more into those ropes than Hatton did..

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Originally Posted by Jimboogie

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Originally Posted by leftylee

No he does not. Pacquiao beats Cotto. And I'm willing to have a one month sig bet.

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SOLD!

Your on, Lefty ;)

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LOL Lefty's gone buddy....

But i'll take your bet...!

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Originally Posted by Dizaster

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Originally Posted by Jimboogie

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Originally Posted by leftylee

No he does not. Pacquiao beats Cotto. And I'm willing to have a one month sig bet.

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SOLD!

Your on, Lefty ;)

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LOL Lefty's gone buddy....

But i'll take your bet...!

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Is he?! :confused:

:D Okay then, diz, your on ;)

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Originally Posted by Jimboogie

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Originally Posted by Dizaster

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Originally Posted by Jimboogie

SOLD!

Your on, Lefty ;)

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LOL Lefty's gone buddy....

But i'll take your bet...!

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Is he?! :confused:

:D Okay then, diz, your on ;)

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Yeah he got banned for being a douche to a couple of other members, one in particular he went really overboard... There is no set length of time of the ban either, it should be quite a while though...

So anyway, one month sig bet it is... :beerchug:

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Originally Posted by Dizaster

Honestly i'm leaning for Pac on this one.... Cotto is a monster and think that in every way he should have it over Pac, but there are a few reasons I give more of a shot than I should.


He's been at that weight for a while now. Marquez coming up was always going to be weak as pi$$ against Mayweather. I think Pac having been above 140 for his last 3 fights (well 140 for hatton), he'd be wearing that weight much better now..

His speed is going to split Cotto.. Cotto has good footwork and is going to take a pounding, and his defence will certainly be a damn shite better than DLH and Hatton put together, but cotto isn't exactly unhittable...

My biggest influence in looking at the potential of how the fight could play out from a certain angle is Cotto/Judah... Cotto has certainly improved since that fight, but many many times during that fight, you could feel that Judah could have turned the tide if he had the heart and head for it... And I think even between 140 and 147, Pac is more dangerous than Judah...


I could be proved entirely wrong by Cotto being an unshakable moster on the night, but I feel Pac is just going to make to many punches count, and is going to think his way to the victory as well through Roach's coaching... Pac's dangerous left and keeping away from too much of Cotto's attack will have him winning...

Anyway, i'll make that my official prediction....

It's a fight that you hate to see someone losing,,,, but I think if Cotto loses it'll be heartbreaking for him....

I'm just going to enjoy this fight no matter who wins... Good on the two guys for making it.. Not an easy fight for either of them..

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I really feel that Cotto needs to fight a controlled fight. No question Pac is faster and has better stamina...but Manny, for all of his improvements, fights one way...he jumps in with flurries. So you certainly can expose him...but you have to have the right style and game plan. Marquez certainly was not as fast as manny...but he was able to counter him with his timing. Cotto needs to be patient and draw Pac in...use his great jab and skill to set Pac up. He cannot waste energy and make himself look foolish by trying to run Pac over. Cotto has the skill to implement the right strategy...we shall see if he will.

Have done a 180 on this one.From thinking Pac via TKO late,on cuts with speed and volume being key to Cotto catching Pac coming in repeatedly.....in between his predictable attack.Pac has faced little to no fire coming his was for some 19,20 rounds over last 3.Think he'll get over confident and hit like he's never been hit before,forced to back and could fall apart down the stretch.Cotto tko 10

The Pacman is one fantastic fighter, no doubt about that. Attitude, technique, heart and that blinding speed.

I can't help thinking that his team have chosen his last opponents very well indeed ...... Hatton was a game but limited brawler who loses his head in the biggest fights ...... de la Hoya was not de la Hoya anymore for example.

Cotto was being touted as the next best thing in boxing not so long ago, before he got cheated by Margarito.

I can really see Cotto being too big naturally for Pac, Miguel is a smart boxer when he wants to be and if he gets through the first 5 rounds - because he can be a bit vulnerable early on - I can see him wearing Pac down.

I hope Cotto wins, I like Pac but feel that this is a ridge too far. If I was Cotto I would come in at 147lb and forget Roach and crush Pac. Keep the tile and pay the little fine and take on Mayweather. :cool:

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Originally Posted by Tysonbruno

Ive got this feeling Cotto is going to burst the Pacquiao bubble i see him stopping Pacquiao early or late but definately stopping him if Cotto can stand up to being hit in face by building bricks from Margarito for 11 rounds he can take Pac's shot. I like Pac i just think he's going to lose this one Cotto is going to be a lot harder than both Hatton and the weight drained De La Hoya.

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I love me some cotto, but its just not gonna happen. Pac will win this fight. Take it to the bank.

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Originally Posted by Master

I hope Cotto wins, I like Pac but feel that this is a ridge too far. If I was Cotto I would come in at 147lb and forget Roach and crush Pac. Keep the tile and pay the little fine and take on Mayweather. :cool:

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So would I but Roach looks after Pac better than Oscar etc looked after Marquez. He wouldnt stand for that whereas Marquez wasnt in a position to do anything about it. It was all swept under the carpet. Imagine the uproar if Cotto came in even slightly over weight.

I think making the catweight will affect his performance, also added to his troubles is the wear and tear from his wars with Margarito and Clottey. He isnt the fighter he was but he will still be Pacs biggest test as he isnt as washed up as the guys Pacs been fighting.

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Originally Posted by Mattyhitman

It seems im with the minority on this one. I just carnt seem to right Pac off after what he has done in recent fights. No-one would have predicted what was going to happen against DLH and Hatton, who's to say he carnt do the same again.

Every time ya right Pac off he comes back and bites ya in the ass, so on that basis Pac beats Cotto.

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I did.

I said Hatton would be knocked out in the 5th against Pacquiao. I was off by two. (I got a lot of people here on Saddo angry about saying that)

I said Manny would defeat ODLH easily and convincingly.

So where do I stand on this fight?

There are a lot of intangibles that will not allow me to make a clear assertion of this fight.

Manny Pacquiao did not take this fight because he saw greatness against Clottey. He said he took this fight because he saw a flawed Cotto. I did too.

The old rebuttal is, who looks good against Clottey? It's a fair statement.
I personally was unable to get a feel for Cotto in that fight because Clottey was slipping and sliding the entire fight. How this slipping and sliding effected Cotto's timing? I am not sure. Something was just wrong in this fight.

Is Cotto shot? Most will try to bank on this or are counting on it. I am still not sure if the plaster beating ruined him but he has only had two fights since the plaster gate? No one knows if Cotto is damaged goods but there are hints of it. IMO

I believe there was an illusion created by Floyd and then further magnified by Pacquaio.

Illusion? Floyd let Hatton hang around for 9 rounds too many.
Floyd let ODLH hang around for 11 rounds too many.

So then Manny comes and beats an old shot ODLH which PBF should have done the same but was too afraid because that is not his temperament anymore same with Hatton. Let's face it folks, Hatton was never really all that great. Yes he made KT quit but what else did he do?

Although I feel Cotto might be a little shot, I don't see him as shot as most need him to be or wish him to be. I believe he still has one or two fights left in him.

I don't see Manny beating Cotto just like I could not see JMM beating Floyd Mayweather Jr.

So I am picking Cotto to win just hoping he is not shot beyond getting past Manny.

I like both fighters and I wish both could win but that is not up to me to decide.

I will take Cotto to stop Manny in 8.

Bold prediction, I know.

We also have to take into consideration Cotto will have to come in two pounds lighter and people are banking on him being a little weight drained.

Both fighters have advantages and disadvantages working for them and against them. It should be an interesting fight. What will be more interesting than this fight is... What or who is next? I can't wait.

May the best warrior win. I won be angry at the outcome. Both men deserve to win for so many reasons.http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...cons/icon7.gif

Anything can happen in this fight.

Either the illusion stops here or Manny is the One. I wont use Cotto is shot or weight drained as an excuse.

Cotto's going to wreck that Flip:beatup:

I see Pac beating Cotto badly tko 8.

I always likes Pacman , but i never seen Cotto soo confident for this fight , but to me this fight will going look like Quintana vs Cotto , Cotto was a devastator in that fight , he will be the bullier getting his preys , if Pacman exchanges punches with him , i don't think this fight will take long ..............;)
To me Cotto by KO...........

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Originally Posted by Macho

I always likes Pacman , but i never seen Cotto soo confident for this fight , but to me this fight will going look like Quintana vs Cotto , Cotto was a devastator in that fight , he will be the bullier getting his preys , if Pacman exchanges punches with him , i don't think this fight will take long ..............;)
To me Cotto by KO...........

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Wow never in a million years I would see you predicting a Cotto win.

I think I would still go for Pac but I see this being very, very hard for him. DLH was a very good win for Pac and I don't want to take anything away from him but it was a drained Oscar. No real excuses for Hatton though, maybe slightly past his best and going out thinking this small man can't hurt me and being proven painfully wrong.

But Cotto to me hasn't been the same since Marg. Those bricks caused him a lot of damage, not just in that fight but long term IMO. I hope i'm wrong but before that fight I think he would have beaten Clottey much clearer than he did and Jennings was just completely overmatched, Cotto could have beaten him straight after the Marg fight.

The problem for me will be Pac's speed. If he can handle it without trying to get macho like Hatton did then I see him winning, BUT that latino pride just seems to take over so many times. My prediction Pac UD.

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

I think I would still go for Pac but I see this being very, very hard for him. DLH was a very good win for Pac and I don't want to take anything away from him but it was a drained Oscar. No real excuses for Hatton though, maybe slightly past his best and going out thinking this small man can't hurt me and being proven painfully wrong.

But Cotto to me hasn't been the same since Marg. Those bricks caused him a lot of damage, not just in that fight but long term IMO. I hope i'm wrong but before that fight I think he would have beaten Clottey much clearer than he did and Jennings was just completely overmatched, Cotto could have beaten him straight after the Marg fight.

The problem for me will be Pac's speed. If he can handle it without trying to get macho like Hatton did then I see him winning, BUT that latino pride just seems to take over so many times. My prediction Pac UD.

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I was thinking that Cotto would get the victory in a tough fight, but many people just like you feels that Cotto is somewhat damaged goods after the fight with Margarito. And to be honest I really don't think he has recovered, so I'm changing my mind and going with Pac by TKO.

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Originally Posted by leftylee

No he does not. Pacquiao beats Cotto. And I'm willing to have a one month sig bet.

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When are you coming back bro?

Anyways, it'll be fun bumping this kind of thread after the fight, just like DLH and Hatton post fights. ;D

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Originally Posted by Macho

I always likes Pacman , but i never seen Cotto soo confident for this fight , but to me this fight will going look like Quintana vs Cotto , Cotto was a devastator in that fight , he will be the bullier getting his preys , if Pacman exchanges punches with him , i don't think this fight will take long ..............;)
To me Cotto by KO...........

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How's it going mi pana? I hope they exchanges punches, I really do!

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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

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Originally Posted by Macho

I always likes Pacman , but i never seen Cotto soo confident for this fight , but to me this fight will going look like Quintana vs Cotto , Cotto was a devastator in that fight , he will be the bullier getting his preys , if Pacman exchanges punches with him , i don't think this fight will take long ..............;)
To me Cotto by KO...........

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How's it going mi pana? I hope they exchanges punches, I really do!

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I've never ever picked against Cotto. But this time I'll pick his opponent to win.

Both are great fighters. We'll see them alone in the ring and both of them will put on a great competitive fight. One guy is stronger, the other one is faster. Both has skills no doubt. But the sport is still a team game. And Pac's corner is way better than Cotto's.

Pac by 10th.

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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

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Originally Posted by Macho

I always likes Pacman , but i never seen Cotto soo confident for this fight , but to me this fight will going look like Quintana vs Cotto , Cotto was a devastator in that fight , he will be the bullier getting his preys , if Pacman exchanges punches with him , i don't think this fight will take long ..............;)
To me Cotto by KO...........

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How's it going mi pana? I hope they exchanges punches, I really do!

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I think Pac has got to be careful of that...Cotto is going to be the hardest puncher Pac has faced... And Pac has become a great boxer using a lot of skill and defence, but he's still got that natural instinct to get drawn into exchanges... I think mainly because he loves it.. He gets wrapped up in the excitement as much as the people sitting in the seats watching..

But in this fight he's gotta be careful of that.. One big Cotto hook or uppercut at the right moment and Pac will be on his ass.. And Cotto can really connect well, so Pac HAS to keep a lid on that stuff..... Although I have no doubt the fight is going to have fireworks no matter how either fighter is setting out to win...

I don't think this fight is going to have a single boring second.. Both fighters bring constant tension, drama, and action..

can't Fking wait

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Originally Posted by Dr. Steelhammer

I've never ever picked against Cotto. But this time I'll pick his opponent to win.

Both are great fighters. We'll see them alone in the ring and both of them will put on a great competitive fight. One guy is stronger, the other one is faster. Both has skills no doubt. But the sport is still a team game. And Pac's corner is way better than Cotto's.

Pac by 10th.

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I'm sure cotto is a stronger man than pac, but he doesnt have the KO power that pac has. Most of cottos KO's have been from damage over the course of the fight. When he is successful he goes to the body early and often and wears his opponent out. Pac actually has more KO power and speed than Cotto. Cotto is a fantastic fighter though. Cotto and pac are my two favorite fighters so I really hate to see them fight, but its gonna be a great one. I think pac will end up stopping him.

I like Pac... I really do. But I just think Cotto's too strong for him. Cotto's fought the bigger guys (Margarito, Mosley, Clottey). Miguel is head and shoulders above the level of fighter that Hatton has EVER been, so you can't use Manny's destruction of Ricky as a measuring stick. And although DLH was a huge jump for Manny (and a shrewd marketing ploy by Oscar), no one knew just how shot and washed up Oscar was until it showed clearly on the night of the fight.

Having said that, I think this is a fight between two classy, humble, world-class, elite warriors. So if anything is for sure, it's that it's gonna be a tremendous, action-packed fight that will not disappoint. It won't be a posturing (PBF), hot-dogging (PBF), clinching (Hatton), mauling (Hatton), boring spectacle... and fans will almost certainly get their money's worth.

I hope no one misses the fight, because fights of this caliber will probably be few and far between in the near future. Boxing will the sure winner on November 14th.

I'm too excited for this fight that I incidentally discussed this in my class today. hehehe. I just found out that many of my students are as excited as I am. LOL;D

Manny Pacquiao's nickname is "The Mexicutioner". He's beaten more Latinos than the police!... George Lopez. LOL!

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Originally Posted by Tysonbruno

Ive got this feeling Cotto is going to burst the Pacquiao bubble i see him stopping Pacquiao early or late but definately stopping him if Cotto can stand up to being hit in face by building bricks from Margarito for 11 rounds he can take Pac's shot. I like Pac i just think he's going to lose this one Cotto is going to be a lot harder than both Hatton and the weight drained De La Hoya.

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Burst the bubble? The bubble that Pacquiao can't take a shot from a true WW? Pacquiao can't hurt a WW? Pacquiao can't beat a fighter in his prime? Pacquiao's speed can be countered/neutralized?

Are you a Brit by any chance?

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Originally Posted by Majesty

Pacquiao is going to beat Cotto and it's going to be one sided. Sorry to say but it is I've said this many times. Pacquiao is not the fighter Cotto needs to fight right now. Cotto is mentally still broken from the Margarito fight and any confidence he may have gained in thinking he was only dented was because of the gloves was quickly taken out of him in the Clottey fight as he found himself getting busted up in the same way but with no glove excuse. Cotto did just enough in the last part of that fight and it was more Clottey taking his foot off the gas then Cotto getting him off of him. Pacquiao won't take his foot off the gas and Cotto's self doubt will creep back in his mind if Pacquiao isn't gone in 4 rounds. Cotto is done, once Pacquiao starts hurting him he will fall apart again and Pacquiao won't let up on the gas he will finish him. Cotto is a good fighter but he isn't what he needs to be to beat someone like Pacquiao anymore.

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Called it! ;D

it turns out that when you try to burst pac's bubble it explodes like a nuclear bomb right to their faces doe'snt it.

anyway i salute cotto for being a sport, though in the latter rounds it's just so sickening seeing him running away but that's the way it goes when you're trying to burst pac's bubble! :cool:

Not one of your better picks GAV lol

I too thought that Cotto would be too big for Pac -I'm glad I didn't boldly claim this in a title thread though ;)

I always thought that Mayweather would aslily take care of him due purely to the size difference, and the fact that he'd be quick enough to get out of the way; now I'm not too sure. I think he could beat him too! Of course Mayweather will want all the advantages and will only fight him at the Welter limit, although he could say he'll meet him halfway and then not bother like he did against Marquez.

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Originally Posted by mad_takamura

it turns out that when you try to burst pac's bubble it explodes like a nuclear bomb right to their faces doe'snt it.

anyway i salute cotto for being a sport, though in the latter rounds it's just so sickening seeing him running away but that's the way it goes when you're trying to burst pac's bubble! :cool:

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thought you were an arsehole before the fight. This just proves it.

whats wrong with what he said? i saw the same, cotto was back pedlling alot. no shame in that though, he had a plan but it wasnt effective and he was forced to retreat.

for me cottos coach is the asshole, he let cotto get hurt. he provided no backup plan. and was not giving any senseless advice in between rounds.

I told ya so. Mayweather's next.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

Not one of your better picks GAV lol

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No lol thats it i give up im going to dig my speedos out im going to become a swimming fan.

"I think Cotto will burst the Pacquiao bubble"

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