Cotto vs Chop Chop Corley

I think that picture says it all really...

Like I said before: Unless you're comparing two physically identical fighters under the exact same circumstances then you're basically comparing chalk and cheese or apples and oranges.

We're talking about boxing here boys, not playing with pokemon cards.

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Originally Posted by AirJordanIV

Hey all! Just watched this fight and can't help but to think Manny will hurt him the same way Corley did in the 3rd round of their fight. Corley hurt Cotto with a right hook from the southpaw stance and I feel Manny would too. I think that Corley was strong but not as dynamic as Pac... Or is this an unfair assessment being that Cotto was a lot younger then and still dealing with a learning curve a the time. What do you think?

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In this fight Cotto was counted a low blow and honestly I did not see it that low. I can try and search the fight again to re-evaluate, but I saw Cotto winning TKO even before he was hurt because Corley was hurt first and gained the bennefit of that low blow call. This is what I believe can happen to Manny. Cotto needs to maintain focus and avoid clean shots as Hatton did, but I think Cotto just will be too strong for Manny.

Cotto is a much smarter fighter, mature, and careful now than when he fought Chop Chop. Cotto was fighting Chop Chop in PR and he came out swinging and with NO DEFENSE WHATSOEVER. It was as if he thought he could walk right through Chop Chop and he got caught with a temple shot, which made him lose his equilibrium.

Cotto was never that stupid again and I do not expect him to be against Manny. Let's remember that Cotto has NEVER been knocked down by a punch. Against Corley, Cotto stayed on his feet. Against Torres, Cotto was pushed down, but the referee called it a knockdown. Against Judah, Cotto was NEVER hurt as many people say, nor was he even staggered (I record all fights and have seen that one many times). Against Margarito, Cotto took a knee, more because of sheer exhaustion and not really from a specific punch that hurt him. It seems to me that Cotto has a very strong chin and is a much more careful fighter than he showed against Corley. I expect him to show these qualities against manny.

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Originally Posted by zhubin

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Originally Posted by holmcall

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Originally Posted by zhubin

Great speed almost always conquers great power. Pac is definitely the faster fighter. Cotto is certainly not slow...in fact his speed is underrated...but if he goes into this fight purely trying to chase Pac, pin him against the ropes, and hurt him...he will be in big trouble. Another thing people haven't mentioned much...Pac and Cotto in fact have the same reach. If Cotto comes into the fight a bit weak from trying to make 145...trying to run after and catch the faster guy will make him vulnerable. I think to have great success against Pac, you need to have great counter punching and timing...like Marquez. Pac loves to throw himself forward when he tries to throw flurries...and he is often off balance. Cotto needs to utilize his great jab and draw Pac in. Countering him and than setting him up for some hard shots. If Cotto comes into this fight in a strong mental state and fights intelligently...he has a chance. But unlike popular opinion, he should not try to brawl. People simply think that if a fighter is naturally bigger and stronger...he has to impose his strength. That is only the case if your opponent isn't much faster than you. Otherwise...you have to fight a technically smart fight to deal with the speed...and set up opponent. Or you will throw and miss and get tagged and eventually tire out.

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I have a thread going with over 1100 posts on another planet, but this post is as good as they get. Very, very insightful.

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Thanks holmcall. I am just hoping it will be great fight. Pac is on fire at the moment...but if Cotto comes in mentally and physically sharp...to go along with a great game plan...he certainly will be more than a handful.

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I agree that this is a great post. Also, I know Manny has great speed, good pop at 140-147, quick feet, and the ability to throw hard and powerful punches from any and all angles. But is he considered a good "technical fighter"? I would say Cotto has the advantage in this department by far, but wonder what everyone thinks about this point.

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Originally Posted by Pugilistic

Cotto was seriously weight drained at 140.

Look at Cotto at his weigh in against Corley.

http://talkingboxing.com/photos/cotto_corley_weigh.jpg

Ever since moving up to 147 his chin has proved to be pretty solid taking shots from the likes of Judah, Clottey, Mosley, Quintana. Even against Margarito he took alot of punishment to the body and head before he went down.

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Nice one Pugilistic, Thats the pic i was looking for...!

Anyone care to say Cotto isn't just a bit dehydrated here :confused:

Chop hurt Cotto in the past and then Cotto got better. He learned from his mistakes. He became comfortable at Welterweight. He underestimated Margarito and took a bad beating. Hand wrapping aside, the next fight with tough man Clottey, he struggled after he knocked down a determined opponent in the first round and seemed lost even though the judges saw it as a win. He made the fight harder than it was supposed to be but can you blame him. It took courage to come back against such a tough man. If he loses to Manny, it is because he bit off more than he could chew in the luck of the draw that brought him to this title defense. I still think he should have fought a lesser opponent just before Manny. At least mentally all the cobwebs would be gone but they aren't.

I'm sorry i can't agree with you on the Cotto underestimated Margarito. Cotto boxed better than he did his whole career in that fight. The only problem was that Cotto wasn't use to fighting that pace non stop. At the time of the stoppage i had Cotto winning the fight. Cotto shut Margarito out the first 7 rounds. Margarito was comming back and even though Cotto was winning you could see that he was getting weaker and Margarito was gettin stronger. So i can't make the excuse that Cotto underestimated Margarito. If he did that than he not as smart as you guys claim he is since moving to 147. I can say that Margartito wraps played a part in the fight and that he was the bigger man having fought at 154 before but i will not say that Cotto underestimated Margarito. If Cotto had of won that fight that would be considered one of the best performances of his career.