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Originally Posted by sonny78
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Originally Posted by 0james0
I hate Amir Khan bu the is far from feather fisted he has a glass jaw but he is fast and can bang
It would be a big risk for Hatton at this stage he does not want to lose to Khan
Amir can bang, but he's got more glass in his jaw than Union Kane ;D
Amir is getting bigger and probably will bang, but I've not seen anything from him recently that suggests he can hurt his opponents.
To be honest he doesn't seem to have carried his power up from lightweight. More questions will be answered next month in that regard though.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0james0
He does look noticably broader and more musculer now than in his light weight days.
Speed creates power as they say, so maybe he does have it in him.
Against Kotelnik I actually thought he took some decent shots and was suprosed by how his chin held out. Maybe we all (me included) haven't given Prescott enough credit for his power in that fight.
There is no doubt Prscott can bang. It's the likes of Michael Gomez flooring him late on in his career that showed Khans lack of chin to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0james0
Back to the point...Hatton is in serious danger of damaging his legacy. JMM is the wrong type of fighter for Hatton.
1) Hatton is mentally shot and lacks confidence, whereas JMM has shown time and time again that when he loses, he just comes back fighting physically and mentally.
2) Hatton cannot keep fluctuating in weight. look at him now...he's HUGE!
3) He needs a tune up fight like Lazcano. Get his confidence back a bit.
Yea Rickys defence wasnt the best that night ;D may have had something to do with Floyd snr not training Ricky on the pads for a southpaw as Floyd snr doest believe in that sort of thing ! Not once did Floyd snr offer pad work and show how to counter the southpaw, and this guy was reputed as the best trainor on the planet ! He's a bloody Joke !Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
marquez struggled to adapt his style to that of indonesian regulations when he fought chris john hence the reason he lost
Hatton will swarm on marquez all night and his superior body punching will slowly but surely wear down the mexican. The fight will go 12rounds and rickys superior work on the front foot will be enough to earn him a unanimous decision
Just hope that isnt que for ricky to go challenging the big boys again:mad:
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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
Chris John doesn't swarm, he's an ugly box/move fighter. I see a potential Marquez/Diaz style fight. It depends who is able to stick to the better fight plan.
I like your support for your boy but I really don't see how he could beat an artist like JMM.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
The rumour is now up on Fightnews. I don't know what to think. :-\
I initially thought it is was an interesting proposal, but Hatton has ballooned up like an elephant. Marquez might be older and more shop worn, but you know for a fact he is in relatively decent shape right now. Hatton might well have gone all Vargas on us.
If the fight is to happen I am supporting Hatton, but I guess it is a case of lets wait and see. Hatton needs to face reality a bit if he is to continue or else he will get flattened like a steam roller over the face. Watch the Pac fight yer cretin!
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Originally Posted by NamelessI like your support for your boy but I really don't see how he could beat an artist like JMM.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
technically JMM is a class above and if this fight were in america id pick marquez every day of the week.
But the crowd will be rapturous, the ring will be small and the ref will have no option other than to allow the contest to turn into an out an out fight.
Key factor will be whether ricky has it in him to produce a Tszyu like performance 4-5years on or is he wasted goods??
Hatton has never come close to replicating the Tszyu showing, two of the worst knockouts in recent memory belong to Hatton. And you want to suggest he can roll back the clock. :-\Quote:
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Originally Posted by NamelessI like your support for your boy but I really don't see how he could beat an artist like JMM.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
technically JMM is a class above and if this fight were in america id pick marquez every day of the week.
But the crowd will be rapturous, the ring will be small and the ref will have no option other than to allow the contest to turn into an out an out fight.
Key factor will be whether ricky has it in him to produce a Tszyu like performance 4-5years on or is he wasted goods??
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Originally Posted by milesHatton has never come close to replicating the Tszyu showing, two of the worst knockouts in recent memory belong to Hatton. And you want to suggest he can roll back the clock. :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by Nameless
technically JMM is a class above and if this fight were in america id pick marquez every day of the week.
But the crowd will be rapturous, the ring will be small and the ref will have no option other than to allow the contest to turn into an out an out fight.
Key factor will be whether ricky has it in him to produce a Tszyu like performance 4-5years on or is he wasted goods??
you mean to the 2 very fighters that are about to fight for the right to potentially call themselves the greatest of all time?? yeah real embarrasing
Marquez is the most tszyu-esque opponent out there. He leads in, throws punches in flurrys, looks to dominate on the front foot.
If he can beat tszyu he can more than handle marquez
Unless JMM is now well past it.Quote:
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Originally Posted by milesHatton has never come close to replicating the Tszyu showing, two of the worst knockouts in recent memory belong to Hatton. And you want to suggest he can roll back the clock. :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
you mean to the 2 very fighters that are about to fight for the right to potentially call themselves the greatest of all time?? yeah real embarrasing
Marquez is the most tszyu-esque opponent out there. He leads in, throws punches in flurrys, looks to dominate on the front foot.
If he can beat tszyu he can more than handle marquez
JMM is a better boxer than KT ever was.
Now i know your on windup :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyUnless JMM is now well past it.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
you mean to the 2 very fighters that are about to fight for the right to potentially call themselves the greatest of all time?? yeah real embarrasing
Marquez is the most tszyu-esque opponent out there. He leads in, throws punches in flurrys, looks to dominate on the front foot.
If he can beat tszyu he can more than handle marquez
JMM is a better boxer than KT ever was.
:lol:
This guy is great.
I can see another Hatton highlight reel KO coming on.
JMM is not a front foot fighter. He's a versatile guy that can take little steps back and counter, he can come forward but its not his preference. I swear HattonTheHammer's just fucking with us sometimes ;D I refuse to accept any other explanation.
And JMM>Tsyzu
And Amir is not a big puncher. He doesn't sit down on his punches. Arm punches mostly.
Style wise and skill, it is easy to pick JMM if weight and age is not an issue, but it is.
Marquez is older now, and I don't think his body type supports 140 lbs well without ring skills showing signs for loss of natural speed, quickness and agility. He needs all of these attributes, to go with his superior counter-punching in order to put a relentless attacker/rusher in Ricky Hatton to remain without control over fighting distance.
In the meantime, can Ricky Hatton still fit in a 140 lb fighting/punching machine body without suffering the ill-effects of weight reduction?
Maybe, but isn't that similar to the dangerous yo-yo diet, now made much worse, even life-threathing, for chained at its end is a life and death date against an elite fighter the caliber of Juan Manuel Marquez.
If both would only "wink-wink" and make money out of the opportunity, then it should be OK, it will be guaranteed entertaining for their respective fans.
The thing is tho', for true warriors like both of them, it'd be viewed, indeed an opportunity yes, but at the same time to mistakenly be, to recapture old glory.
Both Marquez and Hatton are bound by their rich past to over-reach and to over achieve, probable with youth on one's side, but dangerous at the actual present conditions for both. Scary really, for these scenarios are ripe for bad consequences.
A considerable amount for deep thinking is on call, and both should seek it! IMHO.
Either that or he's the new TM. Serious. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
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Originally Posted by FensterEither that or he's the new TM. Serious. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Ok so style wise, JMM and KT have nothing remotely in common??
riiiiiggghhhtt!!
ok, in what ways are they similar?Quote:
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Originally Posted by FensterEither that or he's the new TM. Serious. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Ok so style wise, JMM and KT have nothing remotely in common??
riiiiiggghhhtt!!
I'm with everybody else here. JMM beats Hatton like a gong (something I'm looking forward to seeing) and HTH is an idiot. Hatton would have been better off trying to beat Diaz, he's got no chance against JMM having been badly sparked last time out then having to come down from 200 pounds yet again, without Kerry Hope to do the weight properly too. I don't think it'll go the distance.
If Hatton carnt get him out of there by the 2nd i fear Marquez will just be to sharp of a counter puncher for him and stop him around the 8th.
A prime Hatton would be to big and strong for Marquez at 140 based on the Marquez - Daiz fight imo.But at this stage Hattons punch resinstance has dropped very low and confidence has gone.
You just described Marquez as a come forward flurry punching fighter - you plonker. He is an expert counter puncher, versatile enough to adapt to his situation/opponent.Quote:
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Originally Posted by FensterEither that or he's the new TM. Serious. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Ok so style wise, JMM and KT have nothing remotely in common??
riiiiiggghhhtt!!
Hatton is perfect for him to pick apart. On the bridle to boot.
I think Hatton is out of his mind thinking he can win this fight. Marquez cannot be stopped, and Hatton blocks punches with his face. Unless the judges go blind Marquez can take the fight to his playground (backing up on and off the ropes throwing flurries) and win on points. Hatton would have been an exhausted mess if he lasted those first 2 rounds against Pac. I think he looking too lean to fight. It must really feel terrible.
I have no pity for him, he's won millions of $$$ and had a great career. Now he should step aside and let other people get hit in the head and box like an amateur in pro fights, DAMNIT!
And...
Tszyu made a career out of one weight class more or less. So it's a little defficult to compare his with Marquez. I think that Tszyu beats him well. He had great timing and was very patient and Marquez likes to counterpunch. Tszyu would walk him down and give him nowhere to punch from.
But, I consider Marquez a better fighter in history, because his opposition level was harder.
Tszyu si nothing like Marquez, though!
Tszyu - come forward offensive minded
Marquez - side to side conterpuncher
I think they had one big thing in common.. The ability to finish a fight
In my opinion he gets a far worse beating from Diaz. Juan doesn't have Marquez's punching power and will extend Hatton's beating by several more rounds before Ricky can't take anymore. I guarantee you Marquez was sorer than Diaz after they fought. Diaz does very well against brawlers. His two (three counting Malignaggi) losses came against slick fighters, guys who reduce an opponents capability to hit them in return. Sure, Marquez soaked up a lot of punishment first, but when he turned on Diaz didn't know what to do with himself. Ricky's style is tailor-made for someone like Juan Diaz.Quote:
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WTF??Quote:
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Originally Posted by milesHatton has never come close to replicating the Tszyu showing, two of the worst knockouts in recent memory belong to Hatton. And you want to suggest he can roll back the clock. :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
you mean to the 2 very fighters that are about to fight for the right to potentially call themselves the greatest of all time?? yeah real embarrasing
Marquez is the most tszyu-esque opponent out there. He leads in, throws punches in flurrys, looks to dominate on the front foot.
If he can beat tszyu he can more than handle marquez
Hammer have you actully ever seen Marquez fight?? He leads in, throws punches in flurrys and looks to dominate on the front foot????
He basically does the exapt opposite to what you just said, Marquez is a counter puncher he box's off the back foot looking for oppurtunites. Ricky is made for Marquez.
:lolhaha: Hatton has a legacy? Since when?Quote:
Originally Posted by BritBox
Yes im with VD here, a loss to JMM doesnt really effect his so called legacy, he will go down as a decent world champion but nowhere near the top 100 fighters of all time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise:lolhaha: Hatton has a legacy? Since when?Quote:
Originally Posted by BritBox
He's a domestic fighter with a big following. Nothing more. He has no legacy. Facts don't lie. His biggest win is over an aging fighter who had fought less than 2 rounds in 2 years. And was coming off multiple surgeries. And even than he still needed the assistance of a bias referee to get the win. Most of his career has been hand picked. It's no surprise that he remains undefeated in the UK. And all his losses have come away from home. Outside the UK Hatton is forced to fight live opponents and fight without a referee in his pocket.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Yes im with VD here, a loss to JMM doesnt really effect his so called legacy, he will go down as a decent world champion but nowhere near the top 100 fighters of all time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise:lolhaha: Hatton has a legacy? Since when?Quote:
Originally Posted by BritBox
Oh come on! Hatton was better than that. He's just all fukd up in the head and the accumulation of punishment because of his fighting style and life style brought down his competitiveness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseHe's a domestic fighter with a big following. Nothing more. He has no legacy. Facts don't lie. His biggest win is over an aging fighter who had fought less than 2 rounds in 2 years. And was coming off multiple surgeries. And even than he still needed the assistance of a bias referee to get the win. Most of his career has been hand picked. It's no surprise that he remains undefeated in the UK. And all his losses have come away from home. Outside the UK Hatton is forced to fight live opponents and fight without a referee in his pocket.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Yes im with VD here, a loss to JMM doesnt really effect his so called legacy, he will go down as a decent world champion but nowhere near the top 100 fighters of all time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Oh come on VD, you know, that legacy of being knocked out in the most brutal/comedic fashion - He surely adds to that legacy if/when he faces Marquez ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise:lolhaha: Hatton has a legacy? Since when?Quote:
Originally Posted by BritBox
That KT he fought was still good, could have beaten a lot of people at 140.
Hatton just was a bad matchup for him. Not really a good infighter and too slow on his feet to keep distance with footwork, he just had to catch Ricky coming in with a right and he wasn't able to land a fight changing punch. Once Hatton got inside he could rough him up and KT didn't have the distance to throw that right hand.
Not a Hatton fan, just the way I've always seen that fight.
I said back then, while I was giving Hatton credit for that fight, that I wouldn't have minded seeing a Corrales fight and that Diego matched up better with him. He didn't have to create distance, he could go to war on him on the inside with short hooks and uppercuts and I think its possible he could have gotten to Ricky and stopped him.
Why does he do it to himself? Marquez will knock him out, but not straight away - it will be bloody, imo. Has he not already increased his chances of brain damage enough? Let it go, ffs.
I'm sure the fact that he was never that good also had a lot to do with itQuote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyOh come on! Hatton was better than that. He's just all fukd up in the head and the accumulation of punishment because of his fighting style and life style brought down his competitiveness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
He's a domestic fighter with a big following. Nothing more. He has no legacy. Facts don't lie. His biggest win is over an aging fighter who had fought less than 2 rounds in 2 years. And was coming off multiple surgeries. And even than he still needed the assistance of a bias referee to get the win. Most of his career has been hand picked. It's no surprise that he remains undefeated in the UK. And all his losses have come away from home. Outside the UK Hatton is forced to fight live opponents and fight without a referee in his pocket.
No he was not. Hatton was just allowed to do what ever he wanted in that fight by a bias referee. Tsyzu-Hatton would of happen anywhere but the UK, Hatton losesQuote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Marquez always does his best when someone pressures him and Hatton will. Marquez will take a few shots but will be the slicker, more accurate puncher to what I think will be around a 9th round KO, similar to the Diaz fight. What im wondering is how can Hatton even consider fighting very soon? He looks like a 180 pound chub bucket! If this fight happens, Marquez will knock him out and Hatton will Completely fade from the boxing game!