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Re: Forget The Amir Khan Fight.
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Originally Posted by
Bilbo
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Originally Posted by
rjj tszyu
I think Marquez would be a step too far for Khan at the minute. I think people are thinking JMM is shot due to what happened against PBF, that is not the case he was just outclassed by the best in the business.
Right now but a year is a long time in boxing. By the end of 2010 if Khan continues his development the way he is going you would have to fancy him to have a great chance imo.
Barrera was going toe to toe with Marquez and Pacquaio and giving them competitve fights only 18 months or so before stepping in with Khan.
Another 10 months or so and the pendulam swings in Khan's favour imo.
Too big, too fast, too strong, and under Freddie Roach he will have the right gameplan and discipline to carry it out.
His chin is always going to be suspect but he has the skills and speed to dominate between 135-140 over the next couple years imo.
If he had Froch's toughness he'd be a monster.
welcome to the new improved hattonthehammer. :cool:
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Re: Forget The Amir Khan Fight.
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Originally Posted by
Howlin Mad Missy
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Originally Posted by
Bilbo
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Originally Posted by
The Congressman
Oh so just because Roach trains Pac and Khan I'm instantly a Amir Khan fan now? You added 2 and 2 you came up with 22? Lol. I only said it was an impressive win by Khan, and he deserves some credit for it. This aint even a Pac thread and you brought up his name.
The Khan hate is unreal. He wins in 76 seconds and people just rubbish it and say forget that win. :rolleyes:
When he beats Juan Manuel Marquez towards the end of next year they will rubbish that too claiming he was clearly past it after losing to Floyd and Amir got him at the right time.
I will of course put up my thread from six months ago when I pointed out this would happen 18 months before and I predicted exactly how the haters would respond even though they rubbished my claims at the time.
But it is as it is, Khan is truly world class. Yes his chin is suspect, but in every other aspect he's as talented as anyone out there and has the potential to beat anyone from 135-140 and and will in time fill out to welterweight too.
what you mean the still in his prime 37 year old Marquez?
Bilbo you just make yourself sound stupid with this bollocks.
People were rubbishing the fight as soon as it got made, just at Kotelnik before him was rusbbished by er Khan before that got signed.
Interesting that we have Saddo records to disprove what you say.
Here's the Saddo preview poll to the Khan Barrera fight.
The result 23 went for Khan, a clear majority of 38, (including you ;) ) went for Barrera
Rather than rubbishing the fight, in fact you were mostly rubbishing Khan's chances.
Check for yourself, before the event two thirds of you thought Barrera would beat Khan, after the event it was a self evidently obvious that Khan was in for an easy night against a shot opponent :rolleyes:
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...erra-vote.html
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Re: Forget The Amir Khan Fight.
Khan had definately improved under Roach and fair play for a job well done but he needs up it now.
I'd go ALL OUT for Hatton, huge scalp and he's be massive in the US overnight.
Huge UK fight that imo would be the clever way to jump into the big league.
That fact that Ricky currently has 5 chins may poo poo this.
Wondering if him and Naz are dining out alot:-X
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Re: Forget The Amir Khan Fight.
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Originally Posted by
smashup
Khan had definately improved under Roach and fair play for a job well done but he needs up it now.
I'd go ALL OUT for Hatton, huge scalp and he's be massive in the US overnight.
Huge UK fight that imo would be the clever way to jump into the big league.
That fact that Ricky currently has 5 chins may poo poo this.
Wondering if him and Naz are dining out alot:-X
I think Ricky may take a few months to get anywhere near 140 again. :D
I like the idea of Katsidis maybe as the main undercard to Pacquiao Mayweather. That would make for an excellent starter to the main event :)
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Re: Forget The Amir Khan Fight.
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
ICB
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Fenster
So you knew Salita was chinny as Khan but never said anything until he was knocked out? You understand that don't work, right?
You have to say things BEFORE they happen otherwise you're AFTERTIMING ;)
I didn't even comment on the fight itself, because i wasn't really interested in it. I was more excited about the Kevin Mitchell fight, and the Paul Williams fight.
Exactly.
If you didn'yt comment on the fight before you can't start making correct prediction posts as though you're nostradamus. ;)
LOL.
Should I say " Busted!"?
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Re: Forget The Amir Khan Fight.
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Re: Forget The Amir Khan Fight.
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Originally Posted by
Bilbo
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Originally Posted by
Howlin Mad Missy
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Originally Posted by
Bilbo
The Khan hate is unreal. He wins in 76 seconds and people just rubbish it and say forget that win. :rolleyes:
When he beats Juan Manuel Marquez towards the end of next year they will rubbish that too claiming he was clearly past it after losing to Floyd and Amir got him at the right time.
I will of course put up my thread from six months ago when I pointed out this would happen 18 months before and I predicted exactly how the haters would respond even though they rubbished my claims at the time.
But it is as it is, Khan is truly world class. Yes his chin is suspect, but in every other aspect he's as talented as anyone out there and has the potential to beat anyone from 135-140 and and will in time fill out to welterweight too.
what you mean the still in his prime 37 year old Marquez?
Bilbo you just make yourself sound stupid with this bollocks.
People were rubbishing the fight as soon as it got made, just at Kotelnik before him was rusbbished by er Khan before that got signed.
Interesting that we have Saddo records to disprove what you say.
Here's the Saddo preview poll to the Khan Barrera fight.
The result 23 went for Khan, a clear majority of 38, (including you ;) ) went for Barrera
Rather than rubbishing the fight, in fact you were mostly rubbishing Khan's chances.
Check for yourself, before the event two thirds of you thought Barrera would beat Khan, after the event it was a self evidently obvious that Khan was in for an easy night against a shot opponent :rolleyes:
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...erra-vote.html
Disprove what you idiot - you've just said Barrera was only 12months on from a couple of good showings then you knew all along Barrera was shot? I'll rubbish Khan every day I've got if I feel like it especially when you post crap. He's still chinny, he's still protected, dress it up as much as you like Bilbo.
How many people factored in that Barrera had to fight wearing a blindfold and he still managed to wobble Khan with a glancing blow for christsake.
You think Marquez at 37, which would be your suggested time frame, is the same fighter who fought Pacquiao? :rolleyes:
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Re: Forget The Amir Khan Fight.
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Originally Posted by
Howlin Mad Missy
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Originally Posted by
Bilbo
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Originally Posted by
Howlin Mad Missy
what you mean the still in his prime 37 year old Marquez?
Bilbo you just make yourself sound stupid with this bollocks.
People were rubbishing the fight as soon as it got made, just at Kotelnik before him was rusbbished by er Khan before that got signed.
Interesting that we have Saddo records to disprove what you say.
Here's the Saddo preview poll to the Khan Barrera fight.
The result 23 went for Khan, a clear majority of 38, (including you ;) ) went for Barrera
Rather than rubbishing the fight, in fact you were mostly rubbishing Khan's chances.
Check for yourself, before the event two thirds of you thought Barrera would beat Khan, after the event it was a self evidently obvious that Khan was in for an easy night against a shot opponent :rolleyes:
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...erra-vote.html
Disprove what you idiot - you've just said Barrera was only 12months on from a couple of good showings then you knew all along Barrera was shot? I'll rubbish Khan every day I've got if I feel like it especially when you post crap. He's still chinny, he's still protected, dress it up as much as you like Bilbo.
How many people factored in that Barrera had to fight wearing a blindfold and he still managed to wobble Khan with a glancing blow for christsake.
You think Marquez at 37, which would be your suggested time frame, is the same fighter who fought Pacquiao? :rolleyes:
No absolutely not, which is exactly why I said 6 months ago (and was laughed at by the entire forum) that by the end of 2010 Khan would be primed to beat him if they fought.
I've never said Khan is as good as Marquez, but by the end of 2010 he will have improved enough and Marquez will have declined enough for Khan to have the upper hand.
Give it another year and if Khan and Marquez fight I favour Amir.
Your hating is really weird. You distort what other people say and don't even read what is being said.
I don't think Amir Khan is on the level of Marquez, Pacquiao or a prime Barrera, but he's hands down one of the hottest 22 year old talents in boxing and has acomplished more for his age than any other fighter I can think of.
For such a protected fighter what other 22 year old currently fighting has acomplished more?
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Re: Forget The Amir Khan Fight.
My hating is weird and I distort what you say :rolleyes: Kinda rich from a bible thumper.
How is chasing those big names a help to him? When every man and his dog knows they've slipped? Why not face other current contenders? That would be worth more in terms of boxing kudos....unless your aim is to make as much money in the shortest space of time with the least amount of risk....you get 0 respect from me.
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Re: Forget The Amir Khan Fight.
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Originally Posted by
brucelee
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
ICB
I didn't even comment on the fight itself, because i wasn't really interested in it. I was more excited about the Kevin Mitchell fight, and the Paul Williams fight.
Exactly.
If you didn'yt comment on the fight before you can't start making correct prediction posts as though you're nostradamus. ;)
LOL.
Should I say " Busted!"?
Uhh how is that busted ? Fenster is again just being picky, i knew Dmitriy Salita had a weak chin, just because i didn't post it. Doesn't mean i was wrong or didn't know it, as i said i posted nothing at all about the fight, because i wasn't interested in it.
Bruce why don't you seriously just get off my back, last week you made up BS lies about me regarding Joan Guzman, now you just happen to read through 4 pages just to have another dig at me.
Haven't you got anything better to do, like putting up another Manny Pacquiao poster. Or thinking up another intelligent topic like, "The list of Manny Pacquiao fans".
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Re: Forget The Amir Khan Fight.
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Originally Posted by
ICB
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Originally Posted by
brucelee
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Fenster
Exactly.
If you didn'yt comment on the fight before you can't start making correct prediction posts as though you're nostradamus. ;)
LOL.
Should I say " Busted!"?
Uhh how is that busted ? Fenster is again just being picky, i knew Dmitriy Salita had a weak chin, just because i didn't post it. Doesn't mean i was wrong or didn't know it, as i said i posted nothing at all about the fight, because i wasn't interested in it.
Bruce why don't you seriously just get off my back, last week you made up BS lies about me regarding Joan Guzman, now you just happen to read through 4 pages just to have another dig at me.
Haven't you got anything better to do, like putting up another Manny Pacquiao poster. Or thinking up another intelligent topic like, "The list of Manny Pacquiao fans".
I'm not being picky. Hardly anyone mentioned Salita had a rubbish weak chin, including you.
I didn't see one person predict a Khan first round KO. Apart from that genius Fenster ;)
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Re: Forget The Amir Khan Fight.
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Howlin Mad Missy
My hating is weird and I distort what you say :rolleyes: Kinda rich from a bible thumper.
How is chasing those big names a help to him? When every man and his dog knows they've slipped? Why not face other current contenders? That would be worth more in terms of boxing kudos....unless your aim is to make as much money in the shortest space of time with the least amount of risk....you get 0 respect from me.
So now you wouldn't even be impressed if he went after Marquez in 2010? :rolleyes:
You're insane ;D
Khan is 22, just 22 for gawds sake, and he's already beaten Barrera and won a world title.
NOBODY else in the WORLD at his age has a better name on their record than Barrera.
Joe Calzaghe, Ricky Hatton and Lennox Lewis are our greatest fighters of modern times. Their best wins were all against greats on the slide. Hatton beat Kosta Tszyu at the end of his career, coming off a year layoff, Calzaghe beat a 40 something year old Hopkins and a badly faded Jones Jr, and Lennox beat a shot Mike Tyson and a battleworn Evander Holyfield.
And they all beat these guys towards the end of their careers, or in Hattons case his late prime, as kind of crowning acomplishments.
Yet if Khan, who has already beaten Barrera, was then to face another Mexican legend at just age 23 it wouldn't impress you because Marquez would be a year or so past his past. :confused:
You're hating has made you delusional.
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Re: Forget The Amir Khan Fight.
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
ICB
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Originally Posted by
brucelee
LOL.
Should I say " Busted!"?
Uhh how is that busted ? Fenster is again just being picky, i knew Dmitriy Salita had a weak chin, just because i didn't post it. Doesn't mean i was wrong or didn't know it, as i said i posted nothing at all about the fight, because i wasn't interested in it.
Bruce why don't you seriously just get off my back, last week you made up BS lies about me regarding Joan Guzman, now you just happen to read through 4 pages just to have another dig at me.
Haven't you got anything better to do, like putting up another Manny Pacquiao poster. Or thinking up another intelligent topic like, "The list of Manny Pacquiao fans".
I'm not being picky. Hardly anyone mentioned Salita had a rubbish weak chin, including you.
I didn't see one person predict a Khan first round KO. Apart from that genius Fenster ;)
I never said i predicted Amir Khan would spark him in the 1st round, all i said was that Dmitriy Salita had a weak chin and i know he did. Just because i didn't post it doesn't mean i didn't know.
As i said i wasn't really interested in the fight, which is why i never posted anything about the fight.
I always do a bit of homework, on a fighter before big fights. I watched some of his knockdowns and a few highlights, and he did have a weak chin.
Yet your replying to me saying this and that, and making a pointless discussion that will lead to nowhere. If i said i knew then i knew, i know myself that Dmitriy Salita had a weak chin. And i don't know why im having to defend that fact.
Did i think Amir Khan would spark him out in the 1st round ? no i didn't but i never said i did. I did expect Amir Khan to KO him within 4 rounds though.
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Re: Forget The Amir Khan Fight.
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Originally Posted by
ICB
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
ICB
Uhh how is that busted ? Fenster is again just being picky, i knew Dmitriy Salita had a weak chin, just because i didn't post it. Doesn't mean i was wrong or didn't know it, as i said i posted nothing at all about the fight, because i wasn't interested in it.
Bruce why don't you seriously just get off my back, last week you made up BS lies about me regarding Joan Guzman, now you just happen to read through 4 pages just to have another dig at me.
Haven't you got anything better to do, like putting up another Manny Pacquiao poster. Or thinking up another intelligent topic like, "The list of Manny Pacquiao fans".
I'm not being picky. Hardly anyone mentioned Salita had a rubbish weak chin, including you.
I didn't see one person predict a Khan first round KO. Apart from that genius Fenster ;)
I never said i predicted Amir Khan would spark him in the 1st round, all i said was that Dmitriy Salita had a weak chin and i know he did. Just because i didn't post it doesn't mean i didn't know.
As i said i wasn't really interested in the fight, which is why i never posted anything about the fight.
I always do a bit of homework, on a fighter before big fights. I watched some of his knockdowns and a few highlights, and he did have a weak chin.
Yet your replying to me saying this and that, and making a pointless discussion that will lead to nowhere. If i said i knew then i knew, i know myself that Dmitriy Salita had a weak chin. And i don't know why im having to defend that fact.
Did i think Amir Khan would spark him out in the 1st round ? no i didn't but i never said i did. I did expect Amir Khan to KO him within 4 rounds though.
So you wasn't interested in the fight but did homework on it? And you didn't want to make a prediction beforehand but you would have predicted the correct result anyway?
Ok I believe you. ;)
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Re: Forget The Amir Khan Fight.
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Originally Posted by
ICB
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Originally Posted by
Bilbo
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Originally Posted by
Kel
If Khan is world class you agree he should be fighting world class fighters then? He should be fighting the divisions top 10 in the very least.
Is that not reasonable?
He's 22 Kel and he's already beaten Marco Antonio Barrera.
What other 22 year olds are there with better resume's than him?
Name them for me, I'd love to know all the other 22 year old kids who are world champions with a win over a living legend already to their name.
The only other ones I can think of are Devon Alexander and Koki Komeda, and neither has beaten a Barrera.
He's had tons of Amateur experience, and plenty of professional fights. He got his title off probably one of worst title holders, in the last 2 decades.
And his win over MAB was laughable, not only did MAB look crap against a journeyman in his last outing. He got a horrible cut, that didn't have enough time to recover against Amir Khan, who also headbutted MAB.
And it should of been a No Contest, but on purpose they stopped it after the 4th round to give Amir Khan a tainted victory.
When he already had just about everyother, advantage in his favor. Im sorry but Amir Khan's career has been so wrapped up in a cotton wool, its ridiculous even if he's young or not.
His only took on one opponent who can bang, and thats only because nobody had ever heard of him. And even Breidis Prescott has been exposed as not being that good himself.
Just look at all his other opponents, none of them can hit. And thats because there crapping themselves about Amir Khan being in with a puncher.
And until he does or he atleast fights someone with a name, he gets no respect from me.
He complains about getting no respect, well driving 140mph running someone over, complaining about racism and this and that, when he's basically since the Olympics had everything on a silver platter.
Aswell as being well overhyped and coming out with complete crap, aswell as so far not fighting one single dangerous opponent, and he wonders why people go off ?
Lol if he ran someone over at 140mph he'd be in jail.
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Re: Forget The Amir Khan Fight.
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
ICB
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
I'm not being picky. Hardly anyone mentioned Salita had a rubbish weak chin, including you.
I didn't see one person predict a Khan first round KO. Apart from that genius Fenster ;)
I never said i predicted Amir Khan would spark him in the 1st round, all i said was that Dmitriy Salita had a weak chin and i know he did. Just because i didn't post it doesn't mean i didn't know.
As i said i wasn't really interested in the fight, which is why i never posted anything about the fight.
I always do a bit of homework, on a fighter before big fights. I watched some of his knockdowns and a few highlights, and he did have a weak chin.
Yet your replying to me saying this and that, and making a pointless discussion that will lead to nowhere. If i said i knew then i knew, i know myself that Dmitriy Salita had a weak chin. And i don't know why im having to defend that fact.
Did i think Amir Khan would spark him out in the 1st round ? no i didn't but i never said i did. I did expect Amir Khan to KO him within 4 rounds though.
So you wasn't interested in the fight but did homework on it? And you didn't want to make a prediction beforehand but you would have predicted the correct result anyway?
Ok I believe you. ;)
I did my homework on Dmitriy Salita's chin, i don't obviously need to do homework on Amir Khan. Because i've seen every single one of his fights, i don't care to post all my predictions on here just to say i told you so.
And i don't really care for either fighter, because i don't like any of them. Which is why i said im not really interested in the result which is why i didn't post an opinion on the fight, i just done my homework on Dmitriy Salita's chin to see if indeed his chin was weak and it was.
Im just saying i knew Dmitriy Salita had a weak chin thats it. Im not trying to prove anyone wrong or ETC.
But yet it doesn't matter what i say, because you will respond anyway. Just picking on any little thing, which goes on forever and at times. I just feel like chucking the computer screen out the window. Because something so insignificant and pointless just goes on and on.
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Re: Forget The Amir Khan Fight.
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Originally Posted by
Bilbo
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Originally Posted by
Howlin Mad Missy
My hating is weird and I distort what you say :rolleyes: Kinda rich from a bible thumper.
How is chasing those big names a help to him? When every man and his dog knows they've slipped? Why not face other current contenders? That would be worth more in terms of boxing kudos....unless your aim is to make as much money in the shortest space of time with the least amount of risk....you get 0 respect from me.
So now you wouldn't even be impressed if he went after Marquez in 2010? :rolleyes:
You're insane ;D
Khan is 22, just 22 for gawds sake, and he's already beaten Barrera and won a world title.
NOBODY else in the WORLD at his age has a better name on their record than Barrera.
Joe Calzaghe, Ricky Hatton and Lennox Lewis are our greatest fighters of modern times. Their best wins were all against greats on the slide. Hatton beat Kosta Tszyu at the end of his career, coming off a year layoff, Calzaghe beat a 40 something year old Hopkins and a badly faded Jones Jr, and Lennox beat a shot Mike Tyson and a battleworn Evander Holyfield.
And they all beat these guys towards the end of their careers, or in Hattons case his late prime, as kind of crowning acomplishments.
Yet if Khan, who has already beaten Barrera, was then to face another Mexican legend at just age 23 it wouldn't impress you because Marquez would be a year or so past his past. :confused:
You're hating has made you delusional.
You're an idiot and I'm not wasting my time with you.
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Re: Forget The Amir Khan Fight.
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Originally Posted by
ono
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Originally Posted by
ICB
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Bilbo
He's 22 Kel and he's already beaten Marco Antonio Barrera.
What other 22 year olds are there with better resume's than him?
Name them for me, I'd love to know all the other 22 year old kids who are world champions with a win over a living legend already to their name.
The only other ones I can think of are Devon Alexander and Koki Komeda, and neither has beaten a Barrera.
He's had tons of Amateur experience, and plenty of professional fights. He got his title off probably one of worst title holders, in the last 2 decades.
And his win over MAB was laughable, not only did MAB look crap against a journeyman in his last outing. He got a horrible cut, that didn't have enough time to recover against Amir Khan, who also headbutted MAB.
And it should of been a No Contest, but on purpose they stopped it after the 4th round to give Amir Khan a tainted victory.
When he already had just about everyother, advantage in his favor. Im sorry but Amir Khan's career has been so wrapped up in a cotton wool, its ridiculous even if he's young or not.
His only took on one opponent who can bang, and thats only because nobody had ever heard of him. And even Breidis Prescott has been exposed as not being that good himself.
Just look at all his other opponents, none of them can hit. And thats because there crapping themselves about Amir Khan being in with a puncher.
And until he does or he atleast fights someone with a name, he gets no respect from me.
He complains about getting no respect, well driving 140mph running someone over, complaining about racism and this and that, when he's basically since the Olympics had everything on a silver platter.
Aswell as being well overhyped and coming out with complete crap, aswell as so far not fighting one single dangerous opponent, and he wonders why people go off ?
Lol if he ran someone over at 140mph he'd be in jail.
I mistyped that i meant to say he run someone over, and was speeding at 140mph. I didn't mean they were the same incident.
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Re: Forget The Amir Khan Fight.
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Originally Posted by
Bilbo
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Originally Posted by
Howlin Mad Missy
My hating is weird and I distort what you say :rolleyes: Kinda rich from a bible thumper.
How is chasing those big names a help to him? When every man and his dog knows they've slipped? Why not face other current contenders? That would be worth more in terms of boxing kudos....unless your aim is to make as much money in the shortest space of time with the least amount of risk....you get 0 respect from me.
So now you wouldn't even be impressed if he went after Marquez in 2010? :rolleyes:
You're insane ;D
Khan is 22, just 22 for gawds sake, and he's already beaten Barrera and won a world title.
NOBODY else in the WORLD at his age has a better name on their record than Barrera.
Joe Calzaghe, Ricky Hatton and Lennox Lewis are our greatest fighters of modern times. Their best wins were all against greats on the slide. Hatton beat Kosta Tszyu at the end of his career, coming off a year layoff, Calzaghe beat a 40 something year old Hopkins and a badly faded Jones Jr, and Lennox beat a shot Mike Tyson and a battleworn Evander Holyfield.
And they all beat these guys towards the end of their careers, or in Hattons case his late prime, as kind of crowning acomplishments.
Yet if Khan, who has already beaten Barrera, was then to face another Mexican legend at just age 23 it wouldn't impress you because Marquez would be a year or so past his past. :confused:
You're hating has made you delusional.
Yeah moaning at a 22 year old for not fighting world class prime fighters is a bit bizarre. I can't think of many who have.
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Re: Forget The Amir Khan Fight.
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Originally Posted by
ono
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Originally Posted by
Bilbo
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Originally Posted by
Howlin Mad Missy
My hating is weird and I distort what you say :rolleyes: Kinda rich from a bible thumper.
How is chasing those big names a help to him? When every man and his dog knows they've slipped? Why not face other current contenders? That would be worth more in terms of boxing kudos....unless your aim is to make as much money in the shortest space of time with the least amount of risk....you get 0 respect from me.
So now you wouldn't even be impressed if he went after Marquez in 2010? :rolleyes:
You're insane ;D
Khan is 22, just 22 for gawds sake, and he's already beaten Barrera and won a world title.
NOBODY else in the WORLD at his age has a better name on their record than Barrera.
Joe Calzaghe, Ricky Hatton and Lennox Lewis are our greatest fighters of modern times. Their best wins were all against greats on the slide. Hatton beat Kosta Tszyu at the end of his career, coming off a year layoff, Calzaghe beat a 40 something year old Hopkins and a badly faded Jones Jr, and Lennox beat a shot Mike Tyson and a battleworn Evander Holyfield.
And they all beat these guys towards the end of their careers, or in Hattons case his late prime, as kind of crowning acomplishments.
Yet if Khan, who has already beaten Barrera, was then to face another Mexican legend at just age 23 it wouldn't impress you because Marquez would be a year or so past his past. :confused:
You're hating has made you delusional.
Yeah moaning at a 22 year old for not fighting world class prime fighters is a bit bizarre. I can't think of many who have.
:rolleyes: try fighting other contenders...like I said earlier but got ignored.
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Re: Forget The Amir Khan Fight.
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Originally Posted by
ICB
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
ICB
I never said i predicted Amir Khan would spark him in the 1st round, all i said was that Dmitriy Salita had a weak chin and i know he did. Just because i didn't post it doesn't mean i didn't know.
As i said i wasn't really interested in the fight, which is why i never posted anything about the fight.
I always do a bit of homework, on a fighter before big fights. I watched some of his knockdowns and a few highlights, and he did have a weak chin.
Yet your replying to me saying this and that, and making a pointless discussion that will lead to nowhere. If i said i knew then i knew, i know myself that Dmitriy Salita had a weak chin. And i don't know why im having to defend that fact.
Did i think Amir Khan would spark him out in the 1st round ? no i didn't but i never said i did. I did expect Amir Khan to KO him within 4 rounds though.
So you wasn't interested in the fight but did homework on it? And you didn't want to make a prediction beforehand but you would have predicted the correct result anyway?
Ok I believe you. ;)
I did my homework on Dmitriy Salita's chin, i don't obviously need to do homework on Amir Khan. Because i've seen every single one of his fights, i don't care to post all my predictions on here just to say i told you so.
And i don't really care for either fighter, because i don't like any of them. Which is why i said im not really interested in the result which is why i didn't post an opinion on the fight, i just done my homework on Dmitriy Salita's chin to see if indeed his chin was weak and it was.
Im just saying i knew Dmitriy Salita had a weak chin thats it. Im not trying to prove anyone wrong or ETC.
But yet it doesn't matter what i say, because you will respond anyway. Just picking on any little thing, which goes on forever and at times. I just feel like chucking the computer screen out the window. Because something so insignificant and pointless just goes on and on.
Stop being a drama queen you wally.
And stop replying. Haven't you realised yet that Fenster is so petty he must have the last word ;)
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Re: Forget The Amir Khan Fight.
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So now you wouldn't even be impressed if he went after Marquez in 2010? :rolleyes:
You're insane ;D
Khan is 22, just 22 for gawds sake, and he's already beaten Barrera and won a world title.
NOBODY else in the WORLD at his age has a better name on their record than Barrera.
Joe Calzaghe, Ricky Hatton and Lennox Lewis are our greatest fighters of modern times. Their best wins were all against greats on the slide. Hatton beat Kosta Tszyu at the end of his career, coming off a year layoff, Calzaghe beat a 40 something year old Hopkins and a badly faded Jones Jr, and Lennox beat a shot Mike Tyson and a battleworn Evander Holyfield.
And they all beat these guys towards the end of their careers, or in Hattons case his late prime, as kind of crowning acomplishments.
Yet if Khan, who has already beaten Barrera, was then to face another Mexican legend at just age 23 it wouldn't impress you because Marquez would be a year or so past his past. :confused:
You're hating has made you delusional.
Yeah moaning at a 22 year old for not fighting world class prime fighters is a bit bizarre. I can't think of many who have.
:rolleyes: try fighting other contenders...like I said earlier but got ignored.
Are Kotelnik and Salita not at the supposed standard of other contenders?
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Salita was the WBA no.1 contender :-\
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Yeah moaning at a 22 year old for not fighting world class prime fighters is a bit bizarre. I can't think of many who have.
:rolleyes: try fighting other contenders...like I said earlier but got ignored.
Are Kotelnik and Salita not at the supposed standard of other contenders?
I don't think there is currently an opponent fighting between 130-140 that would impress Missy.
I'm sure she'd shrug off Juan Diaz as being finished, Malignaggi as being a powderpuff, Katsidis as being overated, Marquez is too old. At junior welter well obviously Nate Campbell is too old, Devon Alexander is unproven, Victor Ortiz is a quitter, Maidana just got lucky against a weak willed Ortiz etc.
Maybe if he stepped up and beat Manny, but even then it would only because they were sparring partners therefore he got to learn everything about him and was home prepared.
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Salita was the WBA no.1 contender :-\
which shows how piss poor the WBA is!
For instance the IBO has salita ranked at 46 - Khan at 8! Why fight someone so low in the rankings. Salita is missing from the major players.
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If there's anyone's rankings you can rely on, it's the IBO.
And i mean that in a completely non-sarcastic way ;)
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Salita is shit and always has been he was given a gift on the RJJ V Calzaghe undercard, Khan won well done but against a guy who has fought no one. I predicted Khan ko early probably 4, the fight went exactly how I thought it would Salita would just be overwelmed with punches.
Khan needs to step it up before we can start to say hes a great fighter.
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If there's anyone's rankings you can rely on, it's the IBO.
And i mean that in a completely non-sarcastic way ;)
Funny thing, he really does no better in anyone elses, hence what I wrote in my post :rolleyes:
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Salita was the WBA no.1 contender :-\
which shows how piss poor the WBA is!
For instance the IBO has salita ranked at 46 - Khan at 8! Why fight someone so low in the rankings. Salita is missing from the major players.
Well really it shows how piss poor all "world" titles are.
But you need to fight your mandatory or get stripped. This was a perfect opportunity to get that out the way.
10,000 tickets and PPV for a "gimme"... every fighter would love that work ;)
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Missy, I'm curious what could Khan do that would earn your respect.
I fucking despise Carl Froch, but he did earn some of my respect in beating Pascal & Taylor & he'd get a lot of it if he won the Super 6.
So what would Khan have to do or who would he have to beat for you to say he's a good/excellent fighter?
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Missy, I'm curious what could Khan do that would earn your respect.
I fucking despise Carl Froch, but he did earn some of my respect in beating Pascal & Taylor & he'd get a lot of it if he won the Super 6.
So what would Khan have to do or who would he have to beat for you to say he's a good/excellent fighter?
The obvious answer is NOTHING. Khan messed with his boy Barrera and his/her feelings about Khan will never change.:-X
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Missy, I'm curious what could Khan do that would earn your respect.
I fucking despise Carl Froch, but he did earn some of my respect in beating Pascal & Taylor & he'd get a lot of it if he won the Super 6.
So what would Khan have to do or who would he have to beat for you to say he's a good/excellent fighter?
Nothing. It's a gypsy blood feud to the death.
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Fenster
Salita was the WBA no.1 contender :-\
which shows how piss poor the WBA is!
For instance the IBO has salita ranked at 46 - Khan at 8! Why fight someone so low in the rankings. Salita is missing from the major players.
Well really it shows how piss poor all "world" titles are.
But you need to fight your mandatory or get stripped. This was a perfect opportunity to get that out the way.
10,000 tickets and PPV for a "gimme"... every fighter would love that work ;)
Exactamundo
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Howlin Mad Missy
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Fenster
Salita was the WBA no.1 contender :-\
which shows how piss poor the WBA is!
For instance the IBO has salita ranked at 46 - Khan at 8! Why fight someone so low in the rankings. Salita is missing from the major players.
Well really it shows how piss poor all "world" titles are.
But you need to fight your mandatory or get stripped. This was a perfect opportunity to get that out the way.
10,000 tickets and PPV for a "gimme"... every fighter would love that work ;)
Shows how much you can do with the right hype ;)
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JazMerkin
Missy, I'm curious what could Khan do that would earn your respect.
I fucking despise Carl Froch, but he did earn some of my respect in beating Pascal & Taylor & he'd get a lot of it if he won the Super 6.
So what would Khan have to do or who would he have to beat for you to say he's a good/excellent fighter?
Well i can't speak for Missy but im just guessing here, i think she would give him respect if he beat either of these guys.
Timothy Bradley vs Lamont Peterson winner
Nate Campbell
Juan Diaz vs Paul Malignaggi winner
Kendall Holt
Devon Alexander
Marcos Rene Maidana
Mike Alvrado
Any of these would be fine, and at some point. He has to revenge that KO loss to Breidis Prescott aswell.
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Howlin Mad Missy
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Fenster
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Howlin Mad Missy
which shows how piss poor the WBA is!
For instance the IBO has salita ranked at 46 - Khan at 8! Why fight someone so low in the rankings. Salita is missing from the major players.
Well really it shows how piss poor all "world" titles are.
But you need to fight your mandatory or get stripped. This was a perfect opportunity to get that out the way.
10,000 tickets and PPV for a "gimme"... every fighter would love that work ;)
Shows how much you can do with the right hype ;)
And talent to back it up ;)
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JazMerkin
Missy, I'm curious what could Khan do that would earn your respect.
I fucking despise Carl Froch, but he did earn some of my respect in beating Pascal & Taylor & he'd get a lot of it if he won the Super 6.
So what would Khan have to do or who would he have to beat for you to say he's a good/excellent fighter?
Well i can't speak for Missy but im just guessing here, i think she would give him respect if he beat either of these guys.
Timothy Bradley vs Lamont Peterson winner
Nate Campbell
Juan Diaz vs Paul Malignaggi winner
Kendall Holt
Devon Alexander
Marcos Rene Maidana
Mike Alvrado
Any of these would be fine, and at some point. He has to revenge that KO loss to Breidis Prescott aswell.
Well let's look at some of the names you've listed....
Bradley
An SD over Witter and a win over Holt. Two fighter's who've collectively not really achieved all that much. I'll give Bradley credit for how he set about Nate Campbell but i don't think he excels in anything. Just a good solid, but very beatable fighter imo. Out of everyone on the list, i'd imagine Bradley would be the biggest scalp - but that's not saying much.
Malignaggi
Gained more fame from his losses than he has from his victories. Not beaten anybody of note. Didn't really deserve to beat Ngoudjo. Best win over Lovemore N'Dou. Wow. Then he rematched him and did much worse. Still, managed to blag a free hair cut out of it.
Holt
Managed to KO Torres with his head which to be fair, takes some skills. Otherwise spectacular MD and SD wins over Ben Tackie and D-Hop respectively. He also holds a win over p4p champ Mighty Mike Arnaoutis and actually was responsible for the funniest knockdown i've probably ever seen - Bradley. Belter. Looks a lot like the guy who has his bike nicked in 'Friday', so at least he has marketability on his side.
Alexander
The only name on his resume is an injured, faded Junior Witter who's ability was questionnable to begin with. Alexander clearly has talent - but so does Khan, only Alexander's resume is weaker. If Khan got hardly any credit for boxing Kotelnik silly, why would he get credit for beating Alexander?
Maidana
Lost to Kotelnik. Some say unfairly, some say justifiably. Nearly got chinned by a guy who doesn't really like Boxing in Victor Ortiz. Great fight. Not a great fighter.
Alvarado
Please explain how his record is any better than Salita's or Kotelnik's? How many top 20/30 fighters has he beaten?
It's not that any of the above fighters are bad fighters, because they are obviously not. But i don't see how any of them are that much better than Kotelnik, and Khan didn't get much kudos for that win. Infact he's got pretty much cock all for ko'ing Dimitry Salita inside 76 seconds. He'd have to beat that lot in the same night get any credit on here. That would be a shit hot prizefighter actually.
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ICB
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JazMerkin
Missy, I'm curious what could Khan do that would earn your respect.
I fucking despise Carl Froch, but he did earn some of my respect in beating Pascal & Taylor & he'd get a lot of it if he won the Super 6.
So what would Khan have to do or who would he have to beat for you to say he's a good/excellent fighter?
Well i can't speak for Missy but im just guessing here, i think she would give him respect if he beat either of these guys.
Timothy Bradley vs Lamont Peterson winner
Nate Campbell
Juan Diaz vs Paul Malignaggi winner
Kendall Holt
Devon Alexander
Marcos Rene Maidana
Mike Alvrado
Any of these would be fine, and at some point. He has to revenge that KO loss to Breidis Prescott aswell.
Well let's look at some of the names you've listed....
Bradley
An SD over Witter and a win over Holt. Two fighter's who've collectively not really achieved all that much. I'll give Bradley credit for how he set about Nate Campbell but i don't think he excels in anything. Just a good solid, but very beatable fighter imo. Out of everyone on the list, i'd imagine Bradley would be the biggest scalp - but that's not saying much.
Malignaggi
Gained more fame from his losses than he has from his victories. Not beaten anybody of note. Didn't really deserve to beat Ngoudjo. Best win over Lovemore N'Dou. Wow. Then he rematched him and did much worse. Still, managed to blag a free hair cut out of it.
Holt
Managed to KO Torres with his head which to be fair, takes some skills. Otherwise spectacular MD and SD wins over Ben Tackie and D-Hop respectively. He also holds a win over p4p champ Mighty Mike Arnaoutis and actually was responsible for the funniest knockdown i've probably ever seen - Bradley. Belter. Looks a lot like the guy who has his bike nicked in 'Friday', so at least he has marketability on his side.
Alexander
The only name on his resume is an injured, faded Junior Witter who's ability was questionnable to begin with. Alexander clearly has talent - but so does Khan, only Alexander's resume is weaker. If Khan got hardly any credit for boxing Kotelnik silly, why would he get credit for beating Alexander?
Maidana
Lost to Kotelnik. Some say unfairly, some say justifiably. Nearly got chinned by a guy who doesn't really like Boxing in Victor Ortiz. Great fight. Not a great fighter.
Alvarado
Please explain how his record is any better than Salita's or Kotelnik's? How many top 20/30 fighters has he beaten?
It's not that any of the above fighters are bad fighters, because they are obviously not. But i don't see how any of them are that much better than Kotelnik, and Khan didn't get much kudos for that win. Infact he's got pretty much cock all for ko'ing Dimitry Salita inside 76 seconds. He'd have to beat that lot in the same night get any credit on here. That would be a shit hot prizefighter actually.
Well you said all that not me, i would personally give him credit if he beat any of those fighters. Devon Alexander, Timothy Bradley, Lamont Peterson, Kendall Holt, ETC.
Are respected names in the USA, and there a mix of good boxers and good punchers. Dmitriy Salita was not respected and got a gift off a fighter with a 10-2 record, and was floored twice by a fighter with 2 KO's.
Andriy Kotelnik is very mediocre and got a gift off Marcos Rene Maidana, and won his title off one of the worst title holders on modern history. And couldn't even beat the fighter Gavin Rees beat for the title aka Souleymane M'baye.
I gurantee you 100 percent, he would get plenty of respect from people. If he beat any of those fighters above, more so if he beat the top 4 i listed.
I heard he's fighting Zab Judah, thats good step up for him. A fast Southpaw, with some pop who's known in the USA.
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ICB
Well i can't speak for Missy but im just guessing here, i think she would give him respect if he beat either of these guys.
Timothy Bradley vs Lamont Peterson winner
Nate Campbell
Juan Diaz vs Paul Malignaggi winner
Kendall Holt
Devon Alexander
Marcos Rene Maidana
Mike Alvrado
Any of these would be fine, and at some point. He has to revenge that KO loss to Breidis Prescott aswell.
Well let's look at some of the names you've listed....
Bradley
An SD over Witter and a win over Holt. Two fighter's who've collectively not really achieved all that much. I'll give Bradley credit for how he set about Nate Campbell but i don't think he excels in anything. Just a good solid, but very beatable fighter imo. Out of everyone on the list, i'd imagine Bradley would be the biggest scalp - but that's not saying much.
Malignaggi
Gained more fame from his losses than he has from his victories. Not beaten anybody of note. Didn't really deserve to beat Ngoudjo. Best win over Lovemore N'Dou. Wow. Then he rematched him and did much worse. Still, managed to blag a free hair cut out of it.
Holt
Managed to KO Torres with his head which to be fair, takes some skills. Otherwise spectacular MD and SD wins over Ben Tackie and D-Hop respectively. He also holds a win over p4p champ Mighty Mike Arnaoutis and actually was responsible for the funniest knockdown i've probably ever seen - Bradley. Belter. Looks a lot like the guy who has his bike nicked in 'Friday', so at least he has marketability on his side.
Alexander
The only name on his resume is an injured, faded Junior Witter who's ability was questionnable to begin with. Alexander clearly has talent - but so does Khan, only Alexander's resume is weaker. If Khan got hardly any credit for boxing Kotelnik silly, why would he get credit for beating Alexander?
Maidana
Lost to Kotelnik. Some say unfairly, some say justifiably. Nearly got chinned by a guy who doesn't really like Boxing in Victor Ortiz. Great fight. Not a great fighter.
Alvarado
Please explain how his record is any better than Salita's or Kotelnik's? How many top 20/30 fighters has he beaten?
It's not that any of the above fighters are bad fighters, because they are obviously not. But i don't see how any of them are that much better than Kotelnik, and Khan didn't get much kudos for that win. Infact he's got pretty much cock all for ko'ing Dimitry Salita inside 76 seconds. He'd have to beat that lot in the same night get any credit on here. That would be a shit hot prizefighter actually.
Well you said all that not me, i would personally give him credit if he beat any of those fighters. Devon Alexander, Timothy Bradley, Lamont Peterson, Kendall Holt, ETC.
Are respected names in the USA, and there a mix of good boxers and good punchers. Dmitriy Salita was not respected and got a gift off a fighter with a 10-2 record, and was floored twice by a fighter with 2 KO's.
Andriy Kotelnik is very mediocre and got a gift off Marcos Rene Maidana, and won his title off one of the worst title holders on modern history. And couldn't even beat the fighter Gavin Rees beat aka Souleymane M'baye.
I gurantee you 100 percent, he would get plenty of respect from people. If he beat any of those fighters above, more so if he beat the top 4 i listed.
Indeed, he would.
Khan is supposed to be a champion now, so let's see him in a real fight. It isn't too much to ask. He got his title from a weak holder that even Khan admitted was crap and then Salita. It's time for some real challenges, but we all know how Warren works with the gullible and foolish public who lap it all up whilst being worked over by the propaganda of the UK sports media.
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ICB
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ono
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ICB
Well i can't speak for Missy but im just guessing here, i think she would give him respect if he beat either of these guys.
Timothy Bradley vs Lamont Peterson winner
Nate Campbell
Juan Diaz vs Paul Malignaggi winner
Kendall Holt
Devon Alexander
Marcos Rene Maidana
Mike Alvrado
Any of these would be fine, and at some point. He has to revenge that KO loss to Breidis Prescott aswell.
Well let's look at some of the names you've listed....
Bradley
An SD over Witter and a win over Holt. Two fighter's who've collectively not really achieved all that much. I'll give Bradley credit for how he set about Nate Campbell but i don't think he excels in anything. Just a good solid, but very beatable fighter imo. Out of everyone on the list, i'd imagine Bradley would be the biggest scalp - but that's not saying much.
Malignaggi
Gained more fame from his losses than he has from his victories. Not beaten anybody of note. Didn't really deserve to beat Ngoudjo. Best win over Lovemore N'Dou. Wow. Then he rematched him and did much worse. Still, managed to blag a free hair cut out of it.
Holt
Managed to KO Torres with his head which to be fair, takes some skills. Otherwise spectacular MD and SD wins over Ben Tackie and D-Hop respectively. He also holds a win over p4p champ Mighty Mike Arnaoutis and actually was responsible for the funniest knockdown i've probably ever seen - Bradley. Belter. Looks a lot like the guy who has his bike nicked in 'Friday', so at least he has marketability on his side.
Alexander
The only name on his resume is an injured, faded Junior Witter who's ability was questionnable to begin with. Alexander clearly has talent - but so does Khan, only Alexander's resume is weaker. If Khan got hardly any credit for boxing Kotelnik silly, why would he get credit for beating Alexander?
Maidana
Lost to Kotelnik. Some say unfairly, some say justifiably. Nearly got chinned by a guy who doesn't really like Boxing in Victor Ortiz. Great fight. Not a great fighter.
Alvarado
Please explain how his record is any better than Salita's or Kotelnik's? How many top 20/30 fighters has he beaten?
It's not that any of the above fighters are bad fighters, because they are obviously not. But i don't see how any of them are that much better than Kotelnik, and Khan didn't get much kudos for that win. Infact he's got pretty much cock all for ko'ing Dimitry Salita inside 76 seconds. He'd have to beat that lot in the same night get any credit on here. That would be a shit hot prizefighter actually.
Well you said all that not me, i would personally give him credit if he beat any of those fighters. Devon Alexander, Timothy Bradley, Lamont Peterson, Kendall Holt, ETC.
Are respected names in the USA, and there a mix of good boxers and good punchers. Dmitriy Salita was not respected and got a gift off a fighter with a 10-2 record, and was floored twice by a fighter with 2 KO's.
Andriy Kotelnik is very mediocre and got a gift off Marcos Rene Maidana, and won his title off one of the worst title holders on modern history. And couldn't even beat the fighter Gavin Rees beat for the title aka Souleymane M'baye.
I gurantee you 100 percent, he would get plenty of respect from people. If he beat any of those fighters above, more so if he beat the top 4 i listed.
I heard he's fighting Zab Judah, thats good step up for him. A fast Southpaw, with some pop who's known in the USA.
I actually disagree with Kotelnik. He is well drilled and well skilled. His only problem is, he can be outworked. I actually thought he beat Maidana, whom i don't rate anyway. He's a hard-bastard but that's pretty much all he has going for him.
My point wasn't to rubbish your list - because infact it was a good list. My point is, after every fight, there is always a reason to take credit away from him. It's been like that right through his career. 2 years ago he wiped out Graham Earl inside 90 seconds and he got exactly the same amount of credit he got for doing the same to the WBO number 1 contender. Little.
I can see the same thing happening unless he wins a fight where he is a massive under-dog. That's not going to happen. It would be career suicide.
I think Judah is the perfect fight for him. But, i can think of lots of reasons why he won't get credit for beating him.
