Re: Khan interview about the racist comments he made..
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Dark Lord Al
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Bilbo
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Well he is claiming that if he was white he would be a superstar in Britain and maybe the world and it's stupid. If he had superstar qualities he would already be one.
haha that made me laugh,
Khan is probably the hottest prospect in the world, he's been a household name since he was 17, he has electrifying handspeed, is now displaying one punch ko power and was already a big enough draw to bring a Hall of Fame legend over to the UK to fight him in his own backyard.
He is the very definition of someone having superstar qualities. ;)
He is supposed to be a world champion not a prospect !!? ???
Champs can still be considered prospects, Andre Berto for example.
Re: Khan interview about the racist comments he made..
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Bilbo
I agree many people suffer from some form of racism. However Khan is a Muslim in a British society where Islam is portrayed as the devil.
'Paki's coming over and taking our job'
'Muslims can get away with anything' - one that i've even heard on here.
'They're knocking down churches to build Mosques'
'They're wanting to impose Sharia Law in the UK'
'Paki's are all terrorists'
'We're being ethnicly cleansed'
Are all things i hear regularly. Browse many of the UK Newspaper websites and look at the comment section and you'll see what i mean.
There seems to be a genuine fear of Islam, pretty much stirred up by the media.
So for Khan, it is different than it ever has been for any black fighter in the UK.
Having said that, it's fuck all to do with him being a superstar. He's not doing too badly.
It is like that here in the States as well...Probably more so in some cases...Remember what happened on 9\11...Regardless of who did it many peop[le blame anyone within 5 countries of Iraq, Pakistan, Iran etc....
Here they are all called Deli owners, towel heads, and much worse...Here I think we maybe more racist then the UK by far with any race not just Middle easterns....I mean hell mate 50yrs ago Blacks were not even allowed to drink from public water fountains....Now our leader is Black..
Talk about coming a long way in a short amount of time.....
So I would not say it is in the UK he suffers only but again he nis a big name on the verge of a superstar....Like I said before though attitude has much to do with it.....
The last thing people want to hear today with the economy in such trouble is a guy making 6 and 7 figures a yr talking about people don't like me and if I was white I would be loved blah blah blah[/quote]
There is an important point that nobody has mentioned though here and it applies to all interview comments not just Amir's.
But we don't know what Amir was asked that provoked such a response. He doesn't just ring the press up and make an announcement, obviously he was being interviewed, and clearly they asked him a question, and he answered it.
It puts a different perspective on things, he might have been asked 'Do you feel that you are prejudiced against in some ways, that some people view you negatively on account of your race?', etc and he answered the way he did because he felt strongly about it at that moment.
Amir doesn't control what headlines are made about him, or what quotes the press will grab and run with.
He's just a young kid who answers questions asked to him honestly. I like that he says what he thinks, and doesn't give false politically correct statements all the time.
He wears his heart on his sleeve and isn't afraid to state his views. Nothing wrong with that at all imo.
I also find it ridiculous that some people can dislike him because of an interview response he made, he's just young, talented and confident, qualities that are generally not admired.[/quote]
What Jaz said was right, however I don't think just because is rich that he shouldn't be able to complain against racism.
Re: Khan interview about the racist comments he made..
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Dark Lord Al
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Bilbo
haha that made me laugh, Khan is probably the hottest prospect in the world, he's been a household name since he was 17, he has electrifying handspeed, is now displaying one punch ko power and was already a big enough draw to bring a Hall of Fame legend over to the UK to fight him in his own backyard.
He is the very definition of someone having superstar qualities. ;)
He is supposed to be a world champion not a prospect !!? ???
Champs can still be considered prospects, Andre Berto for example.
Which then sums up their worth as so called WORLD CHAMPIONS ,
To be champion should mean you are elite , the best , this is not the case with prospects.
Anyone who think Berto is a prospect , doesn't value him as having any claim to being World Champion, in my opinion.
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Dark Lord Al
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Majesty
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Dark Lord Al
He is supposed to be a world champion not a prospect !!? ???
Champs can still be considered prospects, Andre Berto for example.
Which then sums up their worth as so called WORLD CHAMPIONS ,
To be champion should mean you are elite , the best , this is not the case with prospects.
Anyone who think Berto is a prospect , doesn't value him as having any claim to being World Champion, in my opinion.
Why should it? Prospects generally are young fighters who have their career ahead of them.
When Mike Tyson knocked out Trevor Berbick to become the youngest heavyweight champion of all time he was a still a prospect, both before and after.
It's an age and potential thing. Khan is a prospect because we don't yet know how far he may go in the sport, he may just end up a beltholder, he may end up in the p4p and a multiple weight champ. He's only 22, of course he's a fucking prospect :D
Berto won a vacant belt I believe, he's young, he's a world champ, we don't yet know how good he is, he's yet to face an elite fighter, he's still a prospect.
You can say the same for Andre Ward and Andre Dirrell.
The transition comes when they a) reach a certain age, and thus their physical prime, and b) fufill their potential or prove themselves against the best in their weight class.
Thus Tim Bradley is no longer a prospect, he's 25 and has defended his belt against legitimate contenders now, he's a champion.
If Berto beats Mosely he will be a champion, right now he's a prospect.
It's really not hard to work out.
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Bilbo
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Dark Lord Al
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Majesty
Champs can still be considered prospects, Andre Berto for example.
Which then sums up their worth as so called WORLD CHAMPIONS ,
To be champion should mean you are elite , the best , this is not the case with prospects.
Anyone who think Berto is a prospect , doesn't value him as having any claim to being World Champion, in my opinion.
Why should it? Prospects generally are young fighters who have their career ahead of them.
When Mike Tyson knocked out Trevor Berbick to become the youngest heavyweight champion of all time he was a still a prospect, both before and after.
It's an age and potential thing. Khan is a prospect because we don't yet know how far he may go in the sport, he may just end up a beltholder, he may end up in the p4p and a multiple weight champ. He's only 22, of course he's a fucking prospect :D
Berto won a vacant belt I believe, he's young, he's a world champ, we don't yet know how good he is, he's yet to face an elite fighter, he's still a prospect.
You can say the same for Andre Ward and Andre Dirrell.
The transition comes when they a) reach a certain age, and thus their physical prime, and b) fufill their potential or prove themselves against the best in their weight class.
Thus Tim Bradley is no longer a prospect, he's 25 and has defended his belt against legitimate contenders now, he's a champion.
If Berto beats Mosely he will be a champion, right now he's a prospect.
It's really not hard to work out.
I think it's more murky than you say. By your own definition Andre Ward is most definitely not a prospect. He's 25 years old and has just defeated the universally recognized premier fighter in his division. He is a champion on the same level as Timothy Bradley. The only difference is that Bradley has had more defenses, but the stature of Kessler prior to the Ward fight was far above that of anyone Bradley defeated.
Re: Khan interview about the racist comments he made..
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Bilbo
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Dark Lord Al
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Majesty
Champs can still be considered prospects, Andre Berto for example.
Which then sums up their worth as so called WORLD CHAMPIONS ,
To be champion should mean you are elite , the best , this is not the case with prospects.
Anyone who think Berto is a prospect , doesn't value him as having any claim to being World Champion, in my opinion.
Why should it? Prospects generally are young fighters who have their career ahead of them.
When Mike Tyson knocked out Trevor Berbick to become the youngest heavyweight champion of all time he was a still a prospect, both before and after.
It's an age and potential thing. Khan is a prospect because we don't yet know how far he may go in the sport, he may just end up a beltholder, he may end up in the p4p and a multiple weight champ. He's only 22, of course he's a fucking prospect :D
Berto won a vacant belt I believe, he's young, he's a world champ, we don't yet know how good he is, he's yet to face an elite fighter, he's still a prospect.
You can say the same for Andre Ward and Andre Dirrell.
The transition comes when they a) reach a certain age, and thus their physical prime, and b) fufill their potential or prove themselves against the best in their weight class.
Thus Tim Bradley is no longer a prospect, he's 25 and has defended his belt against legitimate contenders now, he's a champion.
If Berto beats Mosely he will be a champion, right now he's a prospect.
It's really not hard to work out.
so one fight would turn Berto from a prospect in to a legit world class/elite fighter?
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Howlin Mad Missy
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Bilbo
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Dark Lord Al
Which then sums up their worth as so called WORLD CHAMPIONS ,
To be champion should mean you are elite , the best , this is not the case with prospects.
Anyone who think Berto is a prospect , doesn't value him as having any claim to being World Champion, in my opinion.
Why should it? Prospects generally are young fighters who have their career ahead of them.
When Mike Tyson knocked out Trevor Berbick to become the youngest heavyweight champion of all time he was a still a prospect, both before and after.
It's an age and potential thing. Khan is a prospect because we don't yet know how far he may go in the sport, he may just end up a beltholder, he may end up in the p4p and a multiple weight champ. He's only 22, of course he's a fucking prospect :D
Berto won a vacant belt I believe, he's young, he's a world champ, we don't yet know how good he is, he's yet to face an elite fighter, he's still a prospect.
You can say the same for Andre Ward and Andre Dirrell.
The transition comes when they a) reach a certain age, and thus their physical prime, and b) fufill their potential or prove themselves against the best in their weight class.
Thus Tim Bradley is no longer a prospect, he's 25 and has defended his belt against legitimate contenders now, he's a champion.
If Berto beats Mosely he will be a champion, right now he's a prospect.
It's really not hard to work out.
so one fight would turn Berto from a prospect in to a legit world class/elite fighter?
Yeah because he would have proven his potential.
It's not difficult missy. Ignore the alphabet belts, we all know who the best fighters are in a division.
A young kid comes up the ranks, he shows potential, he's a prospect. He 'arrives' when he challenges the best guys and beats them. Neither Khan or Berto have done that, but Berto has an opportunity to in his next fight.
He's currently a belt holder, and has shown himself to be in contention at the top of the division. Now he has a chance to realise his potential against Shane Mosely, who I'm not sure, but may be the linear champ (it might be Floyd I don't know) but certainly until Floyd came back Mosely was the man at 147.
Berto beats him he's proven himself to be world class and able to compete and win against the best in the world, he's no longer a prospect he's fufilled.
The online dictionary defines a propect as a candidate likely to succeed.
In boxing winning an alphabet belt doesn't cut it as success, we want real champs right? So when they succeed at that goal, and become a legit champ, a la Tim Bradley, Paul Williams, Chad Dawson, they move from being prospects to champs, Berto hasn't done that yet, but he has the opportunity to against Shane Mosely.
Re: Khan interview about the racist comments he made..
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Bilbo
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Dark Lord Al
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Majesty
Champs can still be considered prospects, Andre Berto for example.
Which then sums up their worth as so called WORLD CHAMPIONS ,
To be champion should mean you are elite , the best , this is not the case with prospects.
Anyone who think Berto is a prospect , doesn't value him as having any claim to being World Champion, in my opinion.
Why should it? Prospects generally are young fighters who have their career ahead of them.
When Mike Tyson knocked out Trevor Berbick to become the youngest heavyweight champion of all time he was a still a prospect, both before and after.
It's an age and potential thing. Khan is a prospect because we don't yet know how far he may go in the sport, he may just end up a beltholder, he may end up in the p4p and a multiple weight champ. He's only 22, of course he's a fucking prospect :D
Berto won a vacant belt I believe, he's young, he's a world champ, we don't yet know how good he is, he's yet to face an elite fighter, he's still a prospect.
You can say the same for Andre Ward and Andre Dirrell.
The transition comes when they a) reach a certain age, and thus their physical prime, and b) fufill their potential or prove themselves against the best in their weight class.
Thus Tim Bradley is no longer a prospect, he's 25 and has defended his belt against legitimate contenders now, he's a champion.
If Berto beats Mosely he will be a champion, right now he's a prospect.
It's really not hard to work out.
A prospect to what exactly ? if you are a champion you have reach the top , you are not a prospect , but oviously you can improve . You can also be a prospect at a later age if you have never reach the status of champion.
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none of this prospect stuff matters. He put his foot in his gob again, something I take much delight in.:cool:
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none of this prospect stuff matters. He put his foot in his gob again, something I take much delight in.:cool:
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I hardly noticed this thread until now. Khan is an okay boxer with a crap chin and until he can beat someone without controversy then I will continue to regard him as a fraud. He is right to shut up about racism, he has made more money from a racist country than any white man has ever as an amateur boxer from the aforementioned racist country.
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NO KHAN!!!! STAY IN ENGLAND!!!! We don't want you over here tearing through our geriatric fighters. Stay there.
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NO KHAN!!!! STAY IN ENGLAND!!!! We don't want you over here tearing through our geriatric fighters. Stay there.
:lolhaha::lolhaha::lolhaha:
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NO KHAN!!!! STAY IN ENGLAND!!!! We don't want you over here tearing through our geriatric fighters. Stay there.
Come on Pride, Khan is the man who takes your " 0 ", I think the next world star after Salita to lose his 0 should be the one and only Paul Spadafora 43 wins 0 loses. Warren could show the footage to the naive public of beating up Mayweather in sparring in the build up ;D.
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
NO KHAN!!!! STAY IN ENGLAND!!!! We don't want you over here tearing through our geriatric fighters. Stay there.
Come on Pride, Khan is the man who takes your " 0 ", I think the next world star after Salita to lose his 0 should be the one and only Paul Spadafora 43 wins 0 loses. Warren could show the footage to the naive public of beating up Mayweather in sparring in the build up ;D.
Paul Spadafora was an ok boxer but he got seriously overhyped, because of that one sparring session against Floyd Mayweather Jr. He flat out got the shit knocked out of him by Leonard Dorin and got a draw which was a criminal decision, one of the worst of this decade.
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skel1983
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
NO KHAN!!!! STAY IN ENGLAND!!!! We don't want you over here tearing through our geriatric fighters. Stay there.
Come on Pride, Khan is the man who takes your " 0 ", I think the next world star after Salita to lose his 0 should be the one and only Paul Spadafora 43 wins 0 loses. Warren could show the footage to the naive public of beating up Mayweather in sparring in the build up ;D.
LOL...;D
Look, I have nothing against Khan but nothing for him either. It's not that I don't like him... I just don't care about him. He's a highly touted fighter who got his chin checked and may have been badly exposed by a mediocre fighter at best.
I see him like I see Victor Ortiz or the like... These guys are getting their jalapenos slathered on like they're the next big thing but they have only passed small tests thus far and for the most part are still untested. I am not the type of person that doesn't give someone their due. I just won't give it to an untested goldenboy who had his status handed to him.
I give Khan props for the Salita win and how it was done cuz when my friend walked out and said Salita got sparked in 1 I was shocked. Fair play to him... Nice. Now we're cooking with fire. So know lets see if it's all true. Lets see him step up to the top 15 now.
People bitch that he doesn't get respect... Well his reputation was handed to him so now lets see him earn his respect.
I'm waiting in anticipation. Cuz if he turns into a star, I'll be in line to buy a ticket... But until then lets all keep our pants on and remember what he is...
