Should Manny Pac go ahead with the blood test?

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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@Bomp - Spot on!

@Killer - We have seen how much Floyd uses his weight to create an advantage - This Roid crap is a complete fabrication... Do you honestly believe if Floyd never had a history of coming in over weight to create an advantage that the penalty would be so high... We saw JMM pay the price... To bad JMM didn't make a weight stipulation maybe he would've had a better result (not a win but a better result of being a bit more fair)...

Just like Cotto was known for using low blows to create an advantage - Roach had to cover his bases...

Everything that applies to "crazy" stipulations have had cause...

THERE IS NO CAUSE FOR ALL THE ROID ACCUSATIONS!!

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The easiest way to prove that would be to take the drug screen.

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Agreed - However, why should he just because Floyd says so??? Why haven't any of the sanctioning bodies or the commission that oversees PED use come up with this??

If my wife came up to me and said "i know your cheating on me and i want you to take this lie detector test". I know for a fact i'm not, and if i said "why would you say that"? And she has zero basis for the accusation i wouldn't take the test...However, if she said she had this proof and that proof, i would take the test to prove my innocence..> But if anyone accuses me of anything without any real evidence.. They can kiss my ass!

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The sanctioning bodies do nothing to my knowledge at this time. Local commissions strictly do pee tests which are insufficient to current designer drugs.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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The easiest way to prove that would be to take the drug screen.

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Agreed - However, why should he just because Floyd says so??? Why haven't any of the sanctioning bodies or the commission that oversees PED use come up with this??

If my wife came up to me and said "i know your cheating on me and i want you to take this lie detector test". I know for a fact i'm not, and if i said "why would you say that"? And she has zero basis for the accusation i wouldn't take the test...However, if she said she had this proof and that proof, i would take the test to prove my innocence..> But if anyone accuses me of anything without any real evidence.. They can kiss my ass!

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The sanctioning bodies do nothing to my knowledge at this time. Local commissions strictly do pee tests which are insufficient to current designer drugs.

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So wouldn't it be there responsibility to overhaul the system, not a fighter who is just trying to make waves and has no real reason to accuse Pac...

I still go back to my "wife" scenario - If someone accuses you without any evidence at all, would you subdue yourself to all their wishes to prove something you already know as being rediculous... However, with real proof behind it, i would be proud to prove my innocense..

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Roach suggested a compromise, saying he would allow Pacquiao to give a blood sample one week before the fight, but no closer than three days before the bout.

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Mayweather seeks strict drug testing for bout with Pacquiao -- latimes.com
So that's a compromise right there. Now get the fight on.

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Roach suggested a compromise, saying he would allow Pacquiao to give a blood sample one week before the fight, but no closer than three days before the bout.

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Mayweather seeks strict drug testing for bout with Pacquiao -- latimes.com
So that's a compromise right there. Now get the fight on.

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I will end my position here... It was fun everyone.. Been here a long time, I just read more than i write... Keep up the great posts everyone...

~Peace~

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by cnote111

@Bomp - Spot on!

@Killer - We have seen how much Floyd uses his weight to create an advantage - This Roid crap is a complete fabrication... Do you honestly believe if Floyd never had a history of coming in over weight to create an advantage that the penalty would be so high... We saw JMM pay the price... To bad JMM didn't make a weight stipulation maybe he would've had a better result (not a win but a better result of being a bit more fair)...

Just like Cotto was known for using low blows to create an advantage - Roach had to cover his bases...

Everything that applies to "crazy" stipulations have had cause...

THERE IS NO CAUSE FOR ALL THE ROID ACCUSATIONS!!

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The easiest way to prove that would be to take the drug screen.

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Agreed - However, why should he just because Floyd says so??? Why haven't any of the sanctioning bodies or the commission that oversees PED use come up with this??

If my wife came up to me and said "i know your cheating on me and i want you to take this lie detector test". I know for a fact i'm not, and if i said "why would you say that"? And she has zero basis for the accusation i wouldn't take the test...However, if she said she had this proof and that proof, i would take the test to prove my innocence..> But if anyone accuses me of anything without any real evidence.. They can kiss my ass!

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Yeah but this is less a "I think you're guilty so you have to take a test to prove me wrong" kinad thing than it is a "lets both take a test so there will be no doubts" kind of thing. Reasonable request from Floyd, given all the demands Pac has made, and this being that big a deal for him is incredibly fishy./

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With all due respect Usain Bolt isn't in the ring fighting againts the #1 or #2 P4P fighter in the world...

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and Floyd and Manny aren't shattering word records of human physical achievement, competing at a high level days on days and raking in gold medals at the peak of physical competition.

What's your point?

If the tests were to have any long term effects then they would likely show over a peroid of days rather than just one evening of competition... Bolt did OK.

Your body is constantly getting rid of old blood cells and creating new ones from your bone marrow... for an elite athlete in peak physical condition I don't really think that a few SPOONFULS spread over a long period will make all that much difference.

The poll is turning out pretty much like I expected. There are a few apologists saying no, but I haven't really heard a credible argument explaining to me why the blood test should not go ahead. It's frustrating more than anything else. This was a time when I had finally warmed to Manny and was even hoping he would beat Floyd and now he decides to pull this card? By not going ahead with the test, Manny loses a lot of respect as I'm sure it's not only me that is feeling this way.

Both fighters have agreed to everything else. Floyd has agreed to pay a never seen before penalty of 10 million dollars a pound in excess weight. Now why won't Manny put up with Floyds one and significantly less expensive request in return?

The boxing world needs to hear from Pacquiao himself and the record needs to be set straight.

Roach here 'explains' why Manny will not give blood. Again, I find his reasoning to be very weak. The same old "it will make Manny mentally tired" argument. You would have thought they would have come up with something a little more persuasive.

Sky Sports | Boxing | News | Roach slams Mayweather

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The poll is turning out pretty much like I expected. There are a few apologists saying no, but I haven't really heard a credible argument explaining to me why the blood test should not go ahead. It's frustrating more than anything else. This was a time when I had finally warmed to Manny and was even hoping he would beat Floyd and now he decides to pull this card? By not going ahead with the test, Manny loses a lot of respect as I'm sure it's not only me that is feeling this way.

Both fighters have agreed to everything else. Floyd has agreed to pay a never seen before penalty of 10 million dollars a pound in excess weight. Now why won't Manny put up with Floyds one and significantly less expensive request in return?

The boxing world needs to hear from Pacquiao himself and the record needs to be set straight.

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Miles, I'm feeling very much the same. I was going to be rooting for Pac but this whole debacle has gotten me suspicious more than normal. I've been around different steroids quite a bit myself and I know that urine tests are easy to beat. Roach says he would agree to have Pac submit to testing up to the week of the fight but Arum says Pac will not allow a blood draw within 30 days of the fight. Travis Tygart, chief of the USADA, says blood drawn that far away from the event is not effective. Besides, Arum basically wants to schedule the tests by not allowing testing closer within 30 days of the event thus defeating the purpose and effectiveness of random testing. And the blood draw is small enough to be replaced within 1 hour. And according to Ellerbe the fighters would not be tested closer than March 11th. Board Message

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Originally Posted by miles

Roach here 'explains' why Manny will not give blood. Again, I find his reasoning to be very weak. The same old "it will make Manny mentally tired" argument. You would have thought they would have come up with something a little more persuasive.

Sky Sports | Boxing | News | Roach slams Mayweather

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This is getting bad. I was going for Pac but I'm a boxing fan first and this is looking bad. Amazing how they say Mayweather doesn't want the fight but the only thing holding up the fight is how Pac's supposed unstable superstitious mental state would be if he is tested a week before the fight. Is that really the best they could come up with??????

Roach needs to rehearse his interviews. Each interview is sounding worse and making me say did he think first. Latest one is he said he won't play the Mayweather rules for wanting reliable steroid testing but forgets Mayweather is playing his rules... at the tune of $10 million/pound.

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Originally Posted by miles

Roach here 'explains' why Manny will not give blood. Again, I find his reasoning to be very weak. The same old "it will make Manny mentally tired" argument. You would have thought they would have come up with something a little more persuasive.

Sky Sports | Boxing | News | Roach slams Mayweather

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This is getting bad. I was going for Pac but I'm a boxing fan first and this is looking bad. Amazing how they say Mayweather doesn't want the fight but the only thing holding up the fight is how Pac's supposed unstable superstitious mental state would be if he is tested a week before the fight. Is that really the best they could come up with??????

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The arguments I have heard from Arum and Roach have been somewhat corny. Arum is talking about "harrassment". Roach is talking about a blood test affecting Manny's "mentality". We have all gone through the arguments that a blood test is really not that big a deal. If Manny is able to endure getting tattoos, then surely he is able to deal with a random blood test several times over the course of a 2/3 month period. Mayweather would be going through the same thing. It's a simple case of give and take. Mayweather gave with the weight clause, but the Pac camp refuses to give anything in return and in doing so has cast some doubt on the credibility of Pac himself. You couldn't make this stuff up, it would be funny if only it wasn't so real.

Surely if Manny walks away from the biggest payday of his career due to as small a detail as getting blood tests he is on drugs. The whole 'blood tests freak me out' argument is fucken bulshit.

Puppets on a string...

That's the thing. Ain't no thing at all, but puppets on a string.

Ya all can dance and ya all can sing, but it ain't no more then puppets on a string.

do do dee do deee doo.

Dance, dance, dance.

do do dee do deee doo.

Puppets on a string.

pbf is scared and will do everything so this fight will not go on.

he wasnt asking for drug test BS on the jmm fight he just went for it cause he knows he can beat jmm.

he refused to weigh in and went in over the limit so he has more advantage. now that pacs team asked 10M per pound, i know its too much but thats to make sure pbf will go in the right weight. pbf countered by the peds allegations.

to me its all BS and im sure pac will go on with the tests, atleast pac has an excuse when he gets beat by pbf. (he was drained by the blood tests) lol


oh and happy holidays to all of you!

I fpac was clean he would have NO reason to not take the tests
if the fight goes thru and he doesnt ill be hoping for floyd to KTFO of manny

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pbf is scared and will do everything so this fight will not go on.

he wasnt asking for drug test BS on the jmm fight he just went for it cause he knows he can beat jmm.

he refused to weigh in and went in over the limit so he has more advantage. now that pacs team asked 10M per pound, i know its too much but thats to make sure pbf will go in the right weight. pbf countered by the peds allegations.

to me its all BS and im sure pac will go on with the tests, atleast pac has an excuse when he gets beat by pbf. (he was drained by the blood tests) lol


oh and happy holidays to all of you!

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Do you really think Floyd is scared and that he's trying to back out? All he is asking is that Manny submit to a random drugs check. Pacquiao has been flying up through the weights in quite an incredible manner. It's only right that he is checked to make sure that he really is just human. If there is a loophole in the testing procedure and a blood test is a way to cover all the possibilities then that is the way to go. I'm no Floyd fan as anyone knows, but in this instance I happen to think he is right. If Manny is clean then I don't see the problem. It's a case of having an eensy weensy bit of blood drawn on a few random occasions. It isn't as though he is being cut up and a pint of blood is being drained each time. It's nothing in the great scheme of things. If it's enough to get Floyd in the ring, as it seemingly is, then he should pluck up some nerve and just get it done.

Manny should take the tests.

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Originally Posted by piye

Manny should take the tests.

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It's good to see a Pacquiao fan who can swallow all bias and admit that there should be fair testing, to make sure that there's an even playing field.

My question is: why did Arum, Roach and Pacquiao decide to say that THIS is bullying by Mayweather? They could have objected and called it off for any number of other reasons. Very suspicious to say the least. Also, when Roach was questioned about why they declined the tests, he didn't even have a physiological excuse. All he said is that Manny didn't like the tests, that they affected him mentally. This is extremely suspicious, if Pac decides to turn and run as a result of Mayweather's requested drug tests, he deserves to be labeled as a doper. It's sad that this may cost us the biggest fight in boxing history.

I dont see what the fuss is about with Pac! If his people are claiming that he will be drained, i just dont buy it. He'll have 4 weeks to recover IF it does drain him, which i very much doubt it will to the extent of putting a fight of this magnitude in jeopardy. If PBF is trying mind games then maybe Pac is calling his bluff and we'll see who moves first. But if everything is on the level with no hidden agenda then i see no reason for Pac not to do it. Its no big deal, in fact i cant recall a fighter ever refusing this although the circumstances maybe a little different from the norm (plz feel free to correct me as im not 100% on this)

By the way, to everyone on the forum, have a happy xmas/holiday/ hamicay or whatever you choose to celebrate, and a peaceful new year

Yes he should as he is making an issue out of something that should not be an issue.

Make no mistake Pac has to take the test now, I don't see any other option. If he doesn't agree to the test, regardless of whether it's fair or not, there will always be question marks over his greatest victories.

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Make no mistake Pac has to take the test now, I don't see any other option. If he doesn't agree to the test, regardless of whether it's fair or not, there will always be question marks over his greatest victories.

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Why shouldn't there be question marks over every great fighter in history then? Why aren't we questioning the wins of Hopkins who gained 15 lbs in 6 months or Roy who gained god knows how much for Ruiz, or the known cheats in Holy Mosley and Toney?

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Make no mistake Pac has to take the test now, I don't see any other option. If he doesn't agree to the test, regardless of whether it's fair or not, there will always be question marks over his greatest victories.

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Why shouldn't there be question marks over every great fighter in history then? Why aren't we questioning the wins of Hopkins who gained 15 lbs in 6 months or Roy who gained god knows how much for Ruiz, or the known cheats in Holy Mosley and Toney?

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Because Pac (a fighter who has already been subject to steroid claims) has been asked to take the more conclusive tests, and is refusing. This fight is also at the pinnacle of their careers, money, everything. Don't say that people like Mosley just got away with juicing. His reputation will always be tarnished by it. Despite that he was only recorded to be on them for a couple fights.

If Pac refuses to be tested for this fight, potentially the largest money-maker in history, it's more than suspicious. He has already been the target of steroid allegations and he knows it. Even his team (including his loudmouth trainer) can't come up with anything better than "he doesn't like blood tests", "blood tests don't affect him well... mentally", "Floyd is just bullying"..... CMON take the stupid test and lets see a fair fight.

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Make no mistake Pac has to take the test now, I don't see any other option. If he doesn't agree to the test, regardless of whether it's fair or not, there will always be question marks over his greatest victories.

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Why shouldn't there be question marks over every great fighter in history then? Why aren't we questioning the wins of Hopkins who gained 15 lbs in 6 months or Roy who gained god knows how much for Ruiz, or the known cheats in Holy Mosley and Toney?

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Because Pac (a fighter who has already been subject to steroid claims) has been asked to take the more conclusive tests, and is refusing. This fight is also at the pinnacle of their careers, money, everything. Don't say that people like Mosley just got away with juicing. His reputation will always be tarnished by it. Despite that he was only recorded to be on them for a couple fights.

If Pac refuses to be tested for this fight, potentially the largest money-maker in history, it's more than suspicious. He has already been the target of steroid allegations and he knows it. Even his team (including his loudmouth trainer) can't come up with anything better than "he doesn't like blood tests", "blood tests don't affect him well... mentally", "Floyd is just bullying"..... CMON take the stupid test and lets see a fair fight.

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That's the gripe I have, what exactly are the basis of these claims? The mutterings of an idiot in Floyd Senior and Malignaggis pseudo science on the radio(cause he talked to some meatheads in the gym), NOT a fucking shred of evidence/paper trail/dodgy connections to Balco. Defend Pac on this and you're labelled an apologist, yet u defend Mosley with this 'only for couple fights ' bollocks, how exactly does he get a free ride over the rest of his career when his steroid taking isn't in doubt?

Wether we like it or not our favourite sport has the same 'do what u like just don't get caught' attitude that American Football and baseball has, and like them it's likeley that a significant (majority even!)% of the elite are on something stronger than lucozade. Athletics has the most stringent tests in sport yet is still ripe with juicing, do you not think that in a sport where loading gloves and headbutting are used to gain an advantage that PED's aren't probably the norm?

Slightly off topic but my bro is a bodybuilder and owns his own Gym. When I said the fight might not happen due to steroid issues he laughed and said all top boxers are probably taking steroids. As are UFC fighters...:confused:

Now my brother only has a passing interest in boxing so is probably just talking out his arse. He also reckons they aren't even tested for drugs in UFC??? I haven't a clue as I don't follow it.

But if the current procedures for testing in boxing are insufficent as Floyd claims, then it stands to reason boxers would cheat. With so much emphasis on power and strength in the sort, it shouldn't really be so surprising..

On another note, why don't they just make drugs legal in every single sport? That way everybody would be equal and nobody would have an unfair advantage..;D

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Make no mistake Pac has to take the test now, I don't see any other option. If he doesn't agree to the test, regardless of whether it's fair or not, there will always be question marks over his greatest victories.

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Why shouldn't there be question marks over every great fighter in history then? Why aren't we questioning the wins of Hopkins who gained 15 lbs in 6 months or Roy who gained god knows how much for Ruiz, or the known cheats in Holy Mosley and Toney?

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I meant he has to take the test now as the mud slinging has stuck. Nobody questioned Hopkins or RJJ. People have questioned Pac, it's unfair and I wish none of this shit had happened. If Pac is clean then it's a seriously shitty thing that his acheivments are now being questioned.

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Why shouldn't there be question marks over every great fighter in history then? Why aren't we questioning the wins of Hopkins who gained 15 lbs in 6 months or Roy who gained god knows how much for Ruiz, or the known cheats in Holy Mosley and Toney?

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Because Pac (a fighter who has already been subject to steroid claims) has been asked to take the more conclusive tests, and is refusing. This fight is also at the pinnacle of their careers, money, everything. Don't say that people like Mosley just got away with juicing. His reputation will always be tarnished by it. Despite that he was only recorded to be on them for a couple fights.

If Pac refuses to be tested for this fight, potentially the largest money-maker in history, it's more than suspicious. He has already been the target of steroid allegations and he knows it. Even his team (including his loudmouth trainer) can't come up with anything better than "he doesn't like blood tests", "blood tests don't affect him well... mentally", "Floyd is just bullying"..... CMON take the stupid test and lets see a fair fight.

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That's the gripe I have, what exactly are the basis of these claims? The mutterings of an idiot in Floyd Senior and Malignaggis pseudo science on the radio(cause he talked to some meatheads in the gym), NOT a fucking shred of evidence/paper trail/dodgy connections to Balco. Defend Pac on this and you're labelled an apologist, yet u defend Mosley with this 'only for couple fights ' bollocks, how exactly does he get a free ride over the rest of his career when his steroid taking isn't in doubt?

Wether we like it or not our favourite sport has the same 'do what u like just don't get caught' attitude that American Football and baseball has, and like them it's likeley that a significant (majority even!)% of the elite are on something stronger than lucozade. Athletics has the most stringent tests in sport yet is still ripe with juicing, do you not think that in a sport where loading gloves and headbutting are used to gain an advantage that PED's aren't probably the norm?

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I wasn't defending Mosley in the slightest. After hearing the facts, I believe he knew that he was playing unfairly and deserves the rap he's gotten. It's unmeasurable amounts of damage to his reputation. I also don't agree with your initial comparison about paper trails leading to Pacquiao. That was evidence when Mosley was caught. I don't believe you need receipts connecting you to the drugs, to be suspect. Disregarding Floyd Sr's senile rants, Paulie had some very valid points that, while there are a couple counter-arguments, still easily cast a shadow of doubt.

You are correct in your second statement. Like it or not, it is a dirty sport. I believe that we, as a community, should push for it to have less of that "do what u like just don't get caught" attitude. We should take the first step by supporting more conclusive drug tests, checking for loaded gloves, etc. Admitting that boxing is damned is just taking it further down the road to non-existence. Lets try and be positive and push to save the sport that we love from corruption. The best cheater shouldn't be the best athlete, and vice versa.

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Slightly off topic but my bro is a bodybuilder and owns his own Gym. When I said the fight might not happen due to steroid issues he laughed and said all top boxers are probably taking steroids. As are UFC fighters...:confused:

Now my brother only has a passing interest in boxing so is probably just talking out his arse. He also reckons they aren't even tested for drugs in UFC??? I haven't a clue as I don't follow it.

But if the current procedures for testing in boxing are insufficent as Floyd claims, then it stands to reason boxers would cheat. With so much emphasis on power and strength in the sort, it shouldn't really be so surprising..

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The UFC is tested for steroids just like boxing is; Tim Sylvia and Stephen Bonnar were busted for illegal drugs and dealt with accordingly.

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Make no mistake Pac has to take the test now, I don't see any other option. If he doesn't agree to the test, regardless of whether it's fair or not, there will always be question marks over his greatest victories.

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Why shouldn't there be question marks over every great fighter in history then? Why aren't we questioning the wins of Hopkins who gained 15 lbs in 6 months or Roy who gained god knows how much for Ruiz, or the known cheats in Holy Mosley and Toney?

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difference is Hopkins was always considered a BIG middleweight, who would always keep in shape to avoid to have to struggle and boil back down to 160, Pacquiao was always ripped at 130 and 135, barely any body fat, 10 lbs higher he looks just as ripped, and for it to happen in such a short period of time well it's questionable, IMO Pacquiao is clean, but the way he's so desperately trying to get out of the blood tests makes you wonder if he's got something to hide, and as for Jones, he barely made the minimum for HW, and he was questioned about roiding, Holyfield jumped from being a ripped big Cruiserweight to being a ripped smaller Heavyweight

No. He should not.

It's a mess that Mayweather has created. PBF said that this would be an easy fight. But I think in reality, in the back of his mind, he knew that he wasn't going to fight Manny.

Mayweather's camp have already been saying Pac is on drugs, so they knew that demanding this was always going to be a showstopper.

I think it's a shame because, it makes PBF look like he's got no nuts.

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No. He should not.

It's a mess that Mayweather has created. PBF said that this would be an easy fight. But I think in reality, in the back of his mind, he knew that he wasn't going to fight Manny.

Mayweather's camp have already been saying Pac is on drugs, so they knew that demanding this was always going to be a showstopper.

I think it's a shame because, it makes PBF look like he's got no nuts.

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Why is this a showstopper? Mayweather will take the tests, but still this Mayweather's fault? take the fucking drug test. Golden Boy and Gary Shaw have joined in stating is Pac is going to fight ANY of their fighter that they promote they will enforce the same screen.

Disrupt my ass, you walk in pee and/or give a sample of blood and move on. Worst case scenario you are tired for 2 hours, big deal. Why is this a disruption for Manny, but somehow Floyds training is not disrupted?

If Mayweather believes Pacquiao is on PEDs, why not implement a test that can actually catch it, instead of urinalysis which can't detect most modern PEDs.

Yes he should take the tests. Then again so should all boxers. If Mayweather is taking the tests too i don't see the problem. At least we'll know that the winner is clean

Yes. He should take the test AFTER the fight and not before the fight.

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Originally Posted by Intazzz

Yes. He should take the test AFTER the fight and not before the fight.

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This is the problem here, let me make it plain to you. There are PEDs that are out of the range of detection within a couple of days, BUT still have the effects that last weeks. So it is possible for him to use said materials, but it would be undetectable after the fight.

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a post fight screen is not conclusive. The schedule Arum and Roach are asking for make it actually incredibly easy to cycle around the required blood sample dates and the urinalysis will not detect it.

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I voted no.

Pacquiao should be allowed to take the tests as he requested;
right after the initial Press Conference & the immediately after the fight.


Please tell me how or why this would be unacceptable?

Anyway, wouldn't it be better to test this way? If Manny or Floyd wanted to cheat, they could do it 29 days before the fight. Allegedly, Aaron Pryor did it 3 minutes before the end of one of his fights :-\

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haven't read what the other people who vote no have said but

this is one of the most stupid fucking posts i have ever read...

plain and simple, if he has nothing to hide, why say no? Its not like floyd is asking him to do something he isnt....

take Bolt, the were drug testing him on an almost daillys basis, had zero affect on what he done as his smashed every record by a MILE

so pac has no excuse what so ever

and lets be honest, him and his team have done everything the can to get a fight on their tearms, making Cotto the CHAMPION fight at a catchweight...

he either has something to hide or is looking for an excuse not to face floyd.

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Originally Posted by Intazzz

Yes. He should take the test AFTER the fight and not before the fight.

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This is the problem here, let me make it plain to you. There are PEDs that are out of the range of detection within a couple of days, BUT still have the effects that last weeks. So it is possible for him to use said materials, but it would be undetectable after the fight.

THEREFORE

a post fight screen is not conclusive. The schedule Arum and Roach are asking for make it actually incredibly easy to cycle around the required blood sample dates and the urinalysis will not detect it.

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Give me the fact for that? Are you sure? Call Mythbuster.

They can test him right away after the fight. Once they announce the winner in the ring then start taking the blood test. What is the different? This debate is pointless. Before and after the fight is the same. What do you think on Pac pee the blood so that they can't detect it. Right away after the fight and right away before the fight is the same. :rolleyes:

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Yes. He should take the test AFTER the fight and not before the fight.

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This is the problem here, let me make it plain to you. There are PEDs that are out of the range of detection within a couple of days, BUT still have the effects that last weeks. So it is possible for him to use said materials, but it would be undetectable after the fight.

THEREFORE

a post fight screen is not conclusive. The schedule Arum and Roach are asking for make it actually incredibly easy to cycle around the required blood sample dates and the urinalysis will not detect it.

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Give me the fact for that? Are you sure? Call Mythbuster.

They can test him right away after the fight. Once they announce the winner in the ring then start taking the blood test. What is the different? This debate is pointless. Before and after the fight is the same. What do you think on Pac pee the blood so that they can't detect it. Right away after the fight and right away before the fight is the same. :rolleyes:

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Who said anything about testing right before the fight? They want it in the 30 days before the fight, randomly, when any drug usage would be going on. Right after the fight and the drugs will be out the system or at least masked while he would have benefitted from the drug during the fight. Even if he's tested a few days before the fight, so what? The blood lost will be regained with 24-48 hours. The bottom line is by risking the biggest payday of his career because he doesn't want to lose a bit of blood suspicions are being raised. And almost any other fighter that Pac could fight instead will ask for the same drug testing. If they're going to test him right before he gets in the ring, then fair enough, reject that, but to my knowledge that isn't what they're asking for

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Yes. He should take the test AFTER the fight and not before the fight.

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This is the problem here, let me make it plain to you. There are PEDs that are out of the range of detection within a couple of days, BUT still have the effects that last weeks. So it is possible for him to use said materials, but it would be undetectable after the fight.

THEREFORE

a post fight screen is not conclusive. The schedule Arum and Roach are asking for make it actually incredibly easy to cycle around the required blood sample dates and the urinalysis will not detect it.

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Give me the fact for that? Are you sure? Call Mythbuster.

They can test him right away after the fight. Once they announce the winner in the ring then start taking the blood test. What is the different? This debate is pointless. Before and after the fight is the same. What do you think on Pac pee the blood so that they can't detect it. Right away after the fight and right away before the fight is the same. :rolleyes:

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If it is no different then why not accept the terms as is? I can appreciate your die hard fanaticism over Pacquiao, but the science is there before or after the fight there IS a difference it would be incredibly easy to mask them after the fight.

I will repeat this ad nauseum into it is proven untrue

"Pacquiao is backing out of the fight because of a drug test."

Taking a drug test when it is easiest to avoid nullifies the point of the test.