Should Manny Pac go ahead with the blood test?

[AdamGB]

With all due respect Usain Bolt isn't in the ring fighting againts the #1 or #2 P4P fighter in the world...

and Floyd and Manny aren't shattering word records of human physical achievement, competing at a high level days on days and raking in gold medals at the peak of physical competition.

What's your point?

If the tests were to have any long term effects then they would likely show over a peroid of days rather than just one evening of competition... Bolt did OK.

Your body is constantly getting rid of old blood cells and creating new ones from your bone marrow... for an elite athlete in peak physical condition I don't really think that a few SPOONFULS spread over a long period will make all that much difference.

[Gandalf]

The poll is turning out pretty much like I expected. There are a few apologists saying no, but I haven't really heard a credible argument explaining to me why the blood test should not go ahead. It's frustrating more than anything else. This was a time when I had finally warmed to Manny and was even hoping he would beat Floyd and now he decides to pull this card? By not going ahead with the test, Manny loses a lot of respect as I'm sure it's not only me that is feeling this way.

Both fighters have agreed to everything else. Floyd has agreed to pay a never seen before penalty of 10 million dollars a pound in excess weight. Now why won't Manny put up with Floyds one and significantly less expensive request in return?

The boxing world needs to hear from Pacquiao himself and the record needs to be set straight.

[Gandalf]

Roach here 'explains' why Manny will not give blood. Again, I find his reasoning to be very weak. The same old "it will make Manny mentally tired" argument. You would have thought they would have come up with something a little more persuasive.

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[blegit]

The poll is turning out pretty much like I expected. There are a few apologists saying no, but I haven't really heard a credible argument explaining to me why the blood test should not go ahead. It's frustrating more than anything else. This was a time when I had finally warmed to Manny and was even hoping he would beat Floyd and now he decides to pull this card? By not going ahead with the test, Manny loses a lot of respect as I'm sure it's not only me that is feeling this way.

Both fighters have agreed to everything else. Floyd has agreed to pay a never seen before penalty of 10 million dollars a pound in excess weight. Now why won't Manny put up with Floyds one and significantly less expensive request in return?

The boxing world needs to hear from Pacquiao himself and the record needs to be set straight.

Miles, I'm feeling very much the same. I was going to be rooting for Pac but this whole debacle has gotten me suspicious more than normal. I've been around different steroids quite a bit myself and I know that urine tests are easy to beat. Roach says he would agree to have Pac submit to testing up to the week of the fight but Arum says Pac will not allow a blood draw within 30 days of the fight. Travis Tygart, chief of the USADA, says blood drawn that far away from the event is not effective. Besides, Arum basically wants to schedule the tests by not allowing testing closer within 30 days of the event thus defeating the purpose and effectiveness of random testing. And the blood draw is small enough to be replaced within 1 hour. And according to Ellerbe the fighters would not be tested closer than March 11th. Board Message

[blegit]

Roach here 'explains' why Manny will not give blood. Again, I find his reasoning to be very weak. The same old "it will make Manny mentally tired" argument. You would have thought they would have come up with something a little more persuasive.

Sky Sports | Boxing | News | Roach slams Mayweather

This is getting bad. I was going for Pac but I'm a boxing fan first and this is looking bad. Amazing how they say Mayweather doesn't want the fight but the only thing holding up the fight is how Pac's supposed unstable superstitious mental state would be if he is tested a week before the fight. Is that really the best they could come up with

[blegit]

Roach needs to rehearse his interviews. Each interview is sounding worse and making me say did he think first. Latest one is he said he won't play the Mayweather rules for wanting reliable steroid testing but forgets Mayweather is playing his rules... at the tune of $10 million/pound.

[Gandalf]

Roach here 'explains' why Manny will not give blood. Again, I find his reasoning to be very weak. The same old "it will make Manny mentally tired" argument. You would have thought they would have come up with something a little more persuasive.

Sky Sports | Boxing | News | Roach slams Mayweather

This is getting bad. I was going for Pac but I'm a boxing fan first and this is looking bad. Amazing how they say Mayweather doesn't want the fight but the only thing holding up the fight is how Pac's supposed unstable superstitious mental state would be if he is tested a week before the fight. Is that really the best they could come up with

The arguments I have heard from Arum and Roach have been somewhat corny. Arum is talking about "harrassment". Roach is talking about a blood test affecting Manny's "mentality". We have all gone through the arguments that a blood test is really not that big a deal. If Manny is able to endure getting tattoos, then surely he is able to deal with a random blood test several times over the course of a 2/3 month period. Mayweather would be going through the same thing. It's a simple case of give and take. Mayweather gave with the weight clause, but the Pac camp refuses to give anything in return and in doing so has cast some doubt on the credibility of Pac himself. You couldn't make this stuff up, it would be funny if only it wasn't so real.

[eagle]

Surely if Manny walks away from the biggest payday of his career due to as small a detail as getting blood tests he is on drugs. The whole 'blood tests freak me out' argument is fucken bulshit.

[Youngblood]

Puppets on a string...

That's the thing. Ain't no thing at all, but puppets on a string.

Ya all can dance and ya all can sing, but it ain't no more then puppets on a string.

do do dee do deee doo.

Dance, dance, dance.

do do dee do deee doo.

Puppets on a string.

[mnmc10]

pbf is scared and will do everything so this fight will not go on.

he wasnt asking for drug test BS on the jmm fight he just went for it cause he knows he can beat jmm.

he refused to weigh in and went in over the limit so he has more advantage. now that pacs team asked 10M per pound, i know its too much but thats to make sure pbf will go in the right weight. pbf countered by the peds allegations.

to me its all BS and im sure pac will go on with the tests, atleast pac has an excuse when he gets beat by pbf. (he was drained by the blood tests) lol


oh and happy holidays to all of you!

[Truth]

I fpac was clean he would have NO reason to not take the tests
if the fight goes thru and he doesnt ill be hoping for floyd to KTFO of manny

[Gandalf]

pbf is scared and will do everything so this fight will not go on.

he wasnt asking for drug test BS on the jmm fight he just went for it cause he knows he can beat jmm.

he refused to weigh in and went in over the limit so he has more advantage. now that pacs team asked 10M per pound, i know its too much but thats to make sure pbf will go in the right weight. pbf countered by the peds allegations.

to me its all BS and im sure pac will go on with the tests, atleast pac has an excuse when he gets beat by pbf. (he was drained by the blood tests) lol


oh and happy holidays to all of you!

Do you really think Floyd is scared and that he's trying to back out? All he is asking is that Manny submit to a random drugs check. Pacquiao has been flying up through the weights in quite an incredible manner. It's only right that he is checked to make sure that he really is just human. If there is a loophole in the testing procedure and a blood test is a way to cover all the possibilities then that is the way to go. I'm no Floyd fan as anyone knows, but in this instance I happen to think he is right. If Manny is clean then I don't see the problem. It's a case of having an eensy weensy bit of blood drawn on a few random occasions. It isn't as though he is being cut up and a pint of blood is being drained each time. It's nothing in the great scheme of things. If it's enough to get Floyd in the ring, as it seemingly is, then he should pluck up some nerve and just get it done.

[piye]

Manny should take the tests.

[TheBranMan]

Manny should take the tests.

It's good to see a Pacquiao fan who can swallow all bias and admit that there should be fair testing, to make sure that there's an even playing field.

My question is: why did Arum, Roach and Pacquiao decide to say that THIS is bullying by Mayweather? They could have objected and called it off for any number of other reasons. Very suspicious to say the least. Also, when Roach was questioned about why they declined the tests, he didn't even have a physiological excuse. All he said is that Manny didn't like the tests, that they affected him mentally. This is extremely suspicious, if Pac decides to turn and run as a result of Mayweather's requested drug tests, he deserves to be labeled as a doper. It's sad that this may cost us the biggest fight in boxing history.

[johnmaff36]

I dont see what the fuss is about with Pac! If his people are claiming that he will be drained, i just dont buy it. He'll have 4 weeks to recover IF it does drain him, which i very much doubt it will to the extent of putting a fight of this magnitude in jeopardy. If PBF is trying mind games then maybe Pac is calling his bluff and we'll see who moves first. But if everything is on the level with no hidden agenda then i see no reason for Pac not to do it. Its no big deal, in fact i cant recall a fighter ever refusing this although the circumstances maybe a little different from the norm (plz feel free to correct me as im not 100% on this)

By the way, to everyone on the forum, have a happy xmas/holiday/ hamicay or whatever you choose to celebrate, and a peaceful new year